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5:00 PM
Example?
 
you had no complaints when we were mixing orbits and revolutions to mark the passage of time @JanDvorak
 
I can't think of the specific example, but I just recall hearing/reading it the other day.
 
arcattack needs to become a real band
 
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5:01 PM
@Megaplex no worries, hope it all works out
 
Anyways - what would the orbital period around an asteroid be, provided you can keep it from being torn apart by tidal effects?
 
@SomeKittens Megaplex is afk: Cheap boneless wings yo!
 
@NathanJones open a GitHub issue?
 
@JanDvorak From: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta_(spacecraft)#Orbit_around_67P "After closing to within about 30 km (19 mi) from the comet on 10 September, the spacecraft entered actual orbit about it."
It won't be torn apart from tidal effects. The gravity is way too weak.
 
@JanDvorak The orbital period around a spherical object is determined solely by its density. So I'd guess similar to the Earth
 
5:02 PM
@SomeKittens yeah i will
 
@VeronicaDeane does that assume you're orbiting near the surface? That would be inadvisable for asteroids, given their irregular shapes.
 
For tidal effects to tear something apart the gravity needs to be very strong and/or the object being torn apart needs to be large.
 
@JanDvorak Yes, that's assuming spherical, orbiting at zero altitude
 
@NathanJones ++
 
5:04 PM
although it's easy to make generalizations
for example, even a lumpy asteroid can be approximated by a point mass, for orbital period calculation
 
So, let's assume 1/8 the density, so that you can keep your distance (altitude = mean radius)
 
especially of the altitude is high.
 
And orbiting at one radius distance above the assumed surface will still have the same orbital period for any object of the same density
 
Doesn't an orbitting body's eccentricity effect it's orbital speed?
 
@JanDvorak That's also one way to do it
 
5:06 PM
@SterlingArcher that'll cause the speed to change throughout the orbit
 
and A^2 = T^3 or something like that, IIRC?
 
@SterlingArcher not its period, only its velocity
 
Ah that's right.
 
orbital period is calculable given only the semi-major axis and mass of the parent body
 
@SterlingArcher The semi-major axis is what counts
 
@JanDvorak That's what I remember
 
unless I flipped the exponents
 
maybe, idr
 
i knew it was about to get complicated
 
should be ~ instead of =, too
 
5:08 PM
approximation?
no
 
@cswl yep
 
Proportionality
 
Let's send a small probe to mars. As a channel.
 
What do you mean, channel?
 
us, here in this room
 
5:09 PM
@SomeKittens is this where i should open an issue? github.com/ReactiveX/rxjs the links to the operator docs are 404ing atm
 
Oh, you mean authorship, not purpose.
 
which channel regular is smallest?
 
@towc.
 
@CapricaSix?
 
No way I'm trusting Caprica.
 
5:10 PM
@NathanJones Yeah, that's the place
 
@Luggage I'm pretty tall ok
 
I haven't heard from Caprica today
 
╯°□°)╯┻━┻
 
@Luggage I can donate a raspberry pi
 
5:10 PM
ohai
 
Cap shit the bed.
ohh, she's back.
 
!!stats
 
@JanDvorak That didn't make much sense. Maybe you meant: stats, stat, static, stars
 
@towc half of the people here are 2m giants
 
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5:11 PM
@ssube fair enough
 
I'm 1.8m or something
 
I'm still taller than that dwarf @rlemon
 
maybe not a full 2m, but a bunch of us are pretty tall
 
I'm horizontally tall.
 
lemon is one of the more diminutive members and has the second-most space experience
Kendall can run the command center and fly the ship, lemon can be on it?
 
5:12 PM
I vote for the lemon
 
When life gives you Lemon...
 
abort.
 
@Luggage Good luck gathering the hundreds of thousands of dollars that would be required
 
nah, you can launch a micro-sat for a few thousand
but.. yes.. to launch something that is allowed to have it's own propellent.. that'll be pricey.
 
you can't take a micro-sat to Mars though
 
5:13 PM
@VeronicaDeane we can sell the luggage
 
Well, you don't need to go large..
 
@VeronicaDeane like i said, i can donate a raspberry pi
come on
 
@Luggage we just need to find a country that doesn't have Ebay, whip something up in jQuery and sell big
 
A rasberry pie strapped to a fire extinguisher.
 
then we'll find some military base in Kazakhstan and buy the parts off the Russians for cheap
 
5:14 PM
@bitten so now it's the cost of hundreds of thousands of dollars minus the cost of a rpi
 
@VeronicaDeane :,)
 
plus the cost of making a satellite compatible with it
plus the cost of making it radiation-proof
 
Well, we gotta start working on it now. Laucnh prices will drop
Also china and india might be a cheaper launch alternative.
 
I'd be satisfied to just have a satellite in LEO with my name on it
 
@ssube How about doing it like this instead? jsfiddle.net/g8fxx999
 
5:16 PM
@Luggage As long as you don't mind becoming their citisen?
 
I doubt it.
 
@JanDvorak Kane you not.
 
!!wiki citizen kane
 
Citizen Kane is a 1941 American mystery drama film by Orson Welles, its producer, co-author, director and star. The picture was Welles's first feature film. Nominated for Academy Awards in nine categories, it won an Academy Award for Best Writing (Original Screenplay) by Herman J. Mankiewicz and Welles. Considered by many critics, filmmakers, and fans to be the greatest film of all time, Citizen Kane was voted as such in five consecutive Sight & Sound polls of critics, until it was displaced by Vertigo in the 2012 poll. It topped the American Film Institute's 100 Years ... 100 Movies list in 1998...
 
I would prefer not to live in a communist country
 
5:18 PM
How do you know?
 
I would prefer not to live in a country
 
ohh right. History.
 
for 50k GBP, we can become UK nationals and open up a business, walk into HK like we owned it
 
Even HK doesn't want to be a part of China
 
interesting name for a game
 
5:21 PM
Any idea when 3D view returns to Firefox?
 
huehuehue
 
@Loktar damn, those TV lines make the game look much better
 
People trust me
 
so, we'll need about 10,000 m/s from LEO..
 
daaaamn
￾￿￾￱
 
5:23 PM
I'll try not to let them down again
 
type this in your js console, literally nothing will happen
put it in a string, find the length, nope
 
what kind of sorcery is this?
 
@Luggage quick calculations give me about 15kg of propellant for 1kg payload
 
I HATE TYPE-ERRORS! THIS PROJECT HAS ANNOYED ME SOO MUCH!!!
 
and I think the 10k was high.
 
with tanks, insulation, etc, I think 1kg is low.
 
@Luggage I wasn't including that
 
star trackers, solar panels.
 
is it a good habit to save user's phone number in cookies
 
5:28 PM
I'll whip up a star tracker with OpenCV.
 
I just got 400s Isp -> 12:1 mass ratio, and added a bit for tanks and engine
 
@GandalftheWhite If you want every MITM to know it, sure
 
in reality the Isp would probably be a lot lower
 
Okay so that's a no no
 
@VeronicaDeane sorry, but looks like you're going to have to forget about LEO. maybe in the future, when people have infinite dollars
 
5:29 PM
LH2 wouldn't be a great fuel
 
yea.. we' have to use a relatively "safe" propellant.
 
Thanks @JanDvorak
 
lh2?
 
!!> "￱".length
 
Unless you use https-only cookies
 
5:30 PM
@littlepootis 1
 
liquid h2? that'll be rough
 
@Luggage yeah, good Isp but not storable
 
Hydrogen peroxide.
 
5:31 PM
250s Isp bumps it up to like 60kg
 
is hydrogen peroxide :l
 
@GandalftheWhite er, no
 
H2o2
My bad
 
@GandalftheWhite that doesn't sound stable
 
Ozone Hydrogen Peroxide is H2O5
 
5:32 PM
@JanDvorak it wouldn't be
 
I was slightly confused
and it is not supposed to be
 
@GandalftheWhite does that even exist?
 
not according to google
 
H2O2 is out. shitty ISP.
 
5:33 PM
If it doesn't spontaneously decompose into ozone + hydrogen peroxide, it technically could exist.
And I'd be surprised if it did, under sufficient pressure
 
@GandalftheWhite that doesn't technically exist.
 
How about cheap lithium batteries with no protection circuit as a propellant?
 
H2O2 is the name of the sequel to Waterworld
 
Question: if you have a generator, and you get a single result from it, will it still stay in memory and therefore cause a memory leak?
 
@littlepootis Technically most of the elements don't exist in pure form
but we do study periodic table right
 
5:35 PM
@Luggage And what kind of Isp does that give?
 
@Luggage for a toy rocket?
 
@SomeKittens I'm just glad that I've gotten more help now than I have in the four or five service contacts I made.
 
or hot McDonald's coffee.
 
@corvid The result? Why should it?
 
I know how to mix up solid-state rocket fuel
 
5:35 PM
bah, chemical rockets
 
@FilipDupanović You have a better way?
 
it's probably got a specific impulse of about 1 second
 
Are you sitting on a reactionless thruster and not telling anyone?
 
export function* schedule(start, end) {
  const s = later.schedule(settings.schedule);
  let iter = moment(start);
  while (moment(iter).isBefore(moment(end))) {
    const [ next, after ] = s.next(2, iter.toDate(), end.toDate());
    yield next;
    iter = moment(after);
  }
}

let iterator = schedule(moment().startOf('day'), moment.endOf('day'));
const r = iterator.next();
// say this is the end
 
@Luggage laser
 
5:36 PM
@GandalftheWhite Even if they are too reactive, it's possible to isolate them.
 
could work for a small rocket
 
Too hard. You need large ground-based equipment for that.
 
Not if the laser is on the rocket
 
ok, well.. that's too low thrust to get out of LEO
 
@VeronicaDeane youtube is great isn't it :D
 
5:37 PM
tbf, it's not much more than a more controllable solar sail
 
@littlepootis Anything larger than Radium will decompose even if you keep one atom of it in a deep vacuum.
 
@rlemon and instructables
 
@Luggage you don't need acceleration to get out of LEO, just delta-v
 
was I the only one to be slightly disappointed when they realized how easy it is to make?
 
@Luggage technically there's no such thing, unless you factor in orbital decay
@rlemon yes
 
5:38 PM
is it a bad idea to install Ubuntu server with no packages installed, and just add my own from the ground up?
 
@JanDvorak with the extremely low thrust of a laster on a small probe, you woudln't counter the drag causing your orbit to decay.
 
fyi, it's easy to make, hard to make useful
 
OK... you do need to overcome the bit of drag that still exists in LEO
 
also, you need high enough thrust to get out of earth's SOI in a few orbits or you'll spend months just waiting for another pass
 
@Luggage Or launch earlier
 
5:39 PM
\o/
beans are coming back after that bastard groundhog ate the plants :(
 
you've got "infinite" propellant, you've got time
 
No, waiting for another pass at low earth to thrust again. You get like maybe 10 minutes of burn time on each pass, and you'll spend days, and eventually weeks in higher orbit waiting for another window to burn again
you need high enough thrust to get away in just a few burns.
 
unless you mind thrusting away from periapsis
shouldn't be an issue if you have infinite propellant
 
and the power you'd have from your laer means you get such a miniscule amount of thrust.
for deep space, sure. for getting out of LEO.. nope.
 
slingshot
 
5:42 PM
around Moon?
 
@JanDvorak The biggest thing would probably be how fast the solar panels can charge the batteries
 
@JanDvorak no, I mean put the ship into orbit with a giant slingshot.
unmanned ofc.
 
@VeronicaDeane If that's your source of energy, just use a solar sail
@rlemon you still need on-board thrust
 
neo
anyone here
 
@rlemon We're talking about getting it out of orbit
 
5:43 PM
@neo Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
@VeronicaDeane bigger slingshot?
 
@rlemon Beans are looking pretty good mang.
 
@JanDvorak What other source of energy could there be?
 
3
Q: Can a surface impulse be enough to allow entering orbit with no further propulsion?

Jean LowI want to model a slingshot to space. Ignoring all the impossibility of this, and assuming I could launch anything at any speed, can the projectile enter orbit without any propulsion system?

@VeronicaDeane I was assuming big enough batteries
 
let's say you have a super laser that'll get you 1 m/s each burn. You'll need to burn 4000 times. But the 2000th time, you are going up near GEO each orbit, taking another day between burns. then you are lunar height taking 3-4 days. then a week. you'll never leave earth.
 
5:44 PM
that's a lot of 18650's
 
The energy density of batteries is stupidly low
 
beamed power is also a cool idea, but you'd still want a solar sail
 
@neo please make a fiddle.
no code walls.
 
I'm going to hazard a guess that your rocket would need to weigh more than the solar system to get enough energy to power a laser out of Earth's SOI
 
@VeronicaDeane you have electron-positron annihilation, virtual pairs
 
5:45 PM
The thing is, the more energy you pack into a small space, the less likely is to stay in that space.
 
neo
the issue wont be correct with fiddle as its dependent on script location
 
@VeronicaDeane right. those types of low thrust high ISP engines are great.. but not deep in a gravity well
 
@neo then another paste service will do.
 
@VeronicaDeane Photons are the best fuel because they move at the speed of light. The real issue is acceleration
 
5:46 PM
don't ever touch w3schools
 
neo
redit the code with mine
 
@Luggage there's nothing special about being in a gravity well that makes them work worse
 
Just the amount of delta v you need to apply in a short amount of time. That is the difference
 
@neo no, please post your code (formatted would be nice) to a paste service like jsfiddle or pastebin.
 
@VeronicaDeane apart from the atmosphere
 
5:46 PM
if you want help, that is
 
neo
@rle
@rlemon the issue wont be working in such sites because script issue is on the place where is it declared
 
I'm aware. how would that be any different on this chat, or in the w3schools link?
 
neo
they have different for html css and javascript
 
they are all merged back in at the end
 
Sure, but you need to know how they are merged
 
5:49 PM
and jsfiddle has options to control that, and pastebin is just a paste bin
 
agreed
 
I'm gonna take a stab at it without even looking, given the description of the problem, it is a scope blocked inline event handler
 
Could be an issue of not waiting for DOM
 
Super-heat water.
 
yea, that could also be likely.
 
neo
5:51 PM
functions are executed only when button is clicked
 
OK, scoping issue seems likely
 
do you have the function definitions wrapped in anything?
 
don't use onxxx=
 
^
 
neo
nope
 
5:52 PM
well, time to paste what you had in here on to pastebin or a gist or something
 
I'm signing off until a paste is provided
 
@JanDvorak it's fine for quick-and-dirty prototypes
 
(we don't mine code in the chats, but larger snippets should be pasted elsewhere and linked)
 
neo
simple issues makes feels me like a waste
 
arguing about it is a waste
 
neo
5:53 PM
let me see
 
@Shmiddty as long as you don't mind getting stuck in global scope...
 
@Shmiddty the kind of quick and dirty temporary prototypes that end up in prod for years?
 
just paste it somewhere
 
@ssube exactly! :D
 
I'd still prefer jQuery#on
more prod-worthy
 
5:54 PM
with a good editor, the verboseness of the DOM method names isn't so much of a problem.
 
or element.addEventListener()
 
addE<tab>
 
Rule #1 of vanilla JS: you'll end up adopting jQuery anyways, so do it now.
 
well that just isn't true.
 
@rlemon animation support, event delegation
 
5:54 PM
@JanDvorak or you could not
 
I think I've worked out how big a rocket would need to be if it were made of li-ion batteries powering a laser, to get 10km/s dV
 
ohh?
 
@JanDvorak animations I do in CSS, or Canvas. and Event delegation is a single additional line in vanilla
 
it's not a number that can be explained or comprehended in any meaningful sense
 
5:55 PM
I've seen a project where someone copy/pasted jQuery.min into an HTML file.
 
that big?
 
I'm not anti jQuery, I'm just saying that not everyone 'adopts jQuery eventually'
 
exponents are powerful
 
jQ is totally superfluous if you have a decent DOM library, like React or anything
 
5:56 PM
@rlemon What's that line? I can think of matchesSelector -> closest
 
aleph null?
 
user1596138
@Kendall did they ever improve physics for KSP with 100+ part ships?
 
!!s/React/jQ/
 
@JanDvorak jQ is totally superfluous if you have a decent DOM library, like jQ or anything (source)
 
neo
@rlemon got that ?
 
user1596138
5:56 PM
@VeronicaDeane
 
So how about a water tank, and a very small chamber to super-heat the water.
 
if( event.target.<w/e you needed to match against> !== <other part> ) return;
// rest of code
@JanDvorak ^
 
I get about 2*10^1447648 kg
 
like a NERVA engine, but smaller scale and no nuclear reactor
 
5:57 PM
@Josiah yep
 
@JanDvorak clearly you spend time making your life worse, so congrats?
 
@Luggage what heats the water then?
 
@rlemon but then event.target is a child of the element I actually want
 
solar
 
user1596138
@VeronicaDeane I will try it again. I've had to play on my Mac even tho it is half as powerful as my gaming laptop because it actually runs on there lol
 
5:57 PM
and why would you use water and not hydrogen?
 
same with delegation in jQuery
 
just because water is easier to store.
hydrogen leaks out.
 
it's also woefully inefficient in comparison
 
user1596138
I can make the same size ships that bring me to 5fps on my gaming laptop and there's no apparent lag on the Mac lol
 
Nope, $(document).on("click", "ul", function...) => this is the UL
 
5:58 PM
you aren't burning it, just using it as mass
 
that doesn't matter
the molecular weight matters
 
Then some other light element that is easier to store. Nitrogen.
 
@VeronicaDeane Only the propellant velocity matters
 
Quick quiz: what is (_ => _ >> _ > _ < _ << _ <= _)?
 
5:59 PM
@JanDvorak propellant velocity is a function of temperature and molecular weight
 
@le_m you failing a code review
 

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