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8:00 PM
First time I ever drank, was outside Langley VA in a park. Got so drunk with brother cousin and a friend and convinced my cousin the CIA saw us and were after us.
 
I wish classlist took multiple 'items'
 
He jumped off what he thought was a 5ft bridge... nope. ~20ft.
 
@rlemon yeah that would be nice
accepting them as a string for single, or array for multiple would even be cool
 
@SterlingArcher never been so drunk I underestimated heights
 
@Loktar That's subjective; I think the vanilla way is just as pretty
 
8:01 PM
overestimated, sure
 
foo.classList.toggle('red bold')
would be nice.
that is one thing I think jQ got right
 
@ssube I have, I forgot water hurts if you don't jump into it right. Broke my fucking arm trying to brace for it.
 
@ssube have you ever been too drunk to fish?
 
@ssube all we heard was no sound for way too long, a thump, then "ohhh god my ass! I think I broke my ass!"
 
that is when you know you've crossed a limit
 
8:02 PM
@Loktar I think you're misunderstanding what my repo is about.
> The purpose of this is not to tell you that you shouldn't use jQuery, but rather to re-educate you on what exactly jQuery is useful for. The DOM, and other browser APIs, have been much better standardized, and many of the previous pitfalls of compatability no longer exist. While jQuery is still useful, it is less so than before, and it's important for you--the developer--to be familiar with the underlying APIs that libraries are abstracting.
 
@rlemon I feel like that's a trick question.
but I don't know, I don't like fishing. It's creepy and cruel.
 
You guys are assuming that I'm trying to tell people to not use jQuery; that's not my goal
 
@ssube so is going to the bar to meet women :D
@ndugger the title might be throwing people off then
> youdontneedjquery
 
@rlemon That's why you only chat up the ones who are ok with it. The fish aren't in the pond hoping to get metal jabbed through their face.
 
yeah exactyl what @rlemon said
 
8:04 PM
Just because you don't need ice cream doesn't mean that you shouldn't. Icecream is tasty.
 
the original intent of the one you reference was to let you know you dont need to be using JQ
 
@ssube nope, they're hoping for a free meal. we know in the real world nothing comes for free. so stabby stabby
(as an avid fish keeper, I should be bothered by fishing, but the more I learn about fish the less I think it matters as long as we don't over fish, which we currently do)
 
"The next evolutive state of, "You Might Not Need jQuery", because you definitely don't need jQuery. ndugger.github.io/youdontneedjquery/";
 
You're trying to make a parallel between fishing and bar sex, but there's a tremendous difference in the number of worms between those two.
 
You don't need jQuery; I'm not saying, " You shouldn't use jQuery"
 
8:05 PM
@ssube smells the same
 
doesn't say you shouldn't
 
@ndugger clearly that isn't how many perceive it.
so you may want to make that more clear on the readme, or change the name?
 
We'll see
 
in HTML / CSS / WebDesign, Feb 23 at 4:24, by CSᵠ
jQuery is mainly obsolete
 
Abstractions will always have a place
jQuery as a shim is obsolete
 
8:07 PM
we still desperately need a better DOM API
 
I wish it would just mimic JQ tbh
 
compiling servo failed :(
 
yea abstract the DOM all day long, that shit sucks.
 
@CSᵠ I compiled servo today! What's your OS?
 
DOM is love, DOM is life
 
8:07 PM
@Loktar a DOM that just uses builders would be pretty good, I think
 
Dom might be a nice fella, but the DocumentObjectModel sucks
 
@AwalGarg 14.04.4 kubuntu
 
DOM.div.class('foo', 'bar').data('x', 'y').append(DOM.span...)
 
that would be interesting @ssube
 
Microsoft manages to break safari
 
8:08 PM
> Although a couple of the modern examples have more characters in their code, they should not deter you from trying to understand these new APIs. Read carefully, and try to understand what the code is doing so that you can better reflect on whether or not you should use a library.
 
@CSᵠ oh. I did on Arch linux :/ It failed first time for me as well, I just dumped my error in the irc://irc.mozilla.org/servo and in 2 minutes I had an answer. You can try that
 
 
it's essentially the syntax jQ uses
 
@ndugger many people just throw in JQ because they don't feel like learning all of that lol
 
I use jQuery because I don't wanna write all of the boilerplate, even if it is 10 lines of code
 
8:09 PM
@Loktar laziness is not a good enough excuse for me
 
it just feels like the boat has sailed, like people who know they dont need JQ dont use it
 
jQuery as an overhead doesn't bother me
 
people who use it religiously aren't changing
 
@AwalGarg i'll just check the err log and see from there why failed, they do note that it might fail on 14.04
 
@rlemon yeah we have it included in our projects at work already, so I utilize it when needed
 
8:10 PM
in personal projects I don't use it because I like to code, in real world applications anything that helps me do the job I'm welcoming with open arms
 
hey all, wanna see my vanilla router:

//main container
var mainContentElement = document.getElementById('main')

var onhashchange = function () {

  //clear content
  mainContentElement.innerHTML = ''

  if (window.location.hash === "#login") {
    System.import("components/login").then(function () {
      var login = new Login()
      mainContentElement.appendChild(login.getElement())
    });
  }

  else if (window.location.hash === "#signup") {
    System.import("signup").then(function () {
      $("#main").signup();
 
@rlemon i used it to prototype, but not anymore
 
@SuperUberDuper now show the Chocolate one please, that's my favorite.
 
i ate it already
 
Where's the strawberry router?
 
8:11 PM
in the amount of time I consider how to shim fetch, or how to write my own xhr wrapper, I can include jQuery, write my $.ajax call, answer three emails, and get a bottle of water
so in a business application, fuck yea I'm using abstractions
jQuery just happens to be an available one
 
why not use httpinvoke?
 
@Trasiva in the middle
 
but it will melt your brains!
 
it's a neopolitan router
 
@CSᵠ how?
 
8:12 PM
fetch is annoying cause its always a stream
 
@rlemon just serach for people using it, should be enough evidence
 
no, those people write bad code
(well, so do I)
 
That's fine; once again, I'm not telling anyone not to use jQuery; I just think it's important for developers to understand the available APIs, and how to use them. Good developers will have no problem learning more; I don't care about the lazy jquery plugin copy pasters.
 
but that has nothing to do inherently with jQuery
 
i hate jquery
 
8:13 PM
@ndugger then you've lost the audience your targeting I think?
 
Nope
 
shitty developers will write shitty code regardless of jQuery
that argument is invalid.
 
jQuery is good for writing browser compatible code
 
My audience is people that don't know that javascript and browsers have changed. At my last job, the architect told me that I wasn't allowed to not use jQuery, because browsers were way too inconsistent, and I would have to write my own functions.
 
Is there this huge community of awesome web devs using jQuery that just dont know about anything else? Because if that is the case, that in itself screams laziness on their part.
@ndugger they are too lazy to look for changes then.
but you said laziness isn't an excuse
 
8:14 PM
@Loktar No, it wasn't lazy, it was fear.
 
@ndugger what about that sibling code
 
@CSᵠ what about it?
 
call it what you want it's just not taking the time to research on their part
 
@Loktar no, there is a HUGE community of noobs who see a shiny engine that allows them to move an element. some of them go further and learn more about the underlying tech and make awesome stuff we all love and respect... the rest do fivverr wordpress alterations which I'm happy to not do myself.
 
doesn't look too good, there must be a better way
 
8:15 PM
I really don't see the big beef people have
 
@rlemon yeah I guess that is my point as well
 
@CSᵠ There isn't. You get the parent's children, the filter out the original element.
 
JSLinting... the worst part of my day
 
It's not complicated; it's very very simple
 
@ndugger filter and callback are my main issues with it
 
8:16 PM
@rlemon It's the "I'm special because I'm not lazy" principle. I think it's better used to promote unit tests and one-click build scripts, but...
 
if it were python it would be a non issue :P
 
@CSᵠ That's the only way to do it; how do you think jQuery even does it? jQuery is only an abstraction over that.
 
Unit tests are for nerds
 
@SterlingArcher fight me
 
@ApathyBear linting shouldn't be a bad part of your day, if you make it part of your editor so that it stops you immediately so that you get in the habit of not doing things that the linter would complain about in the first place.
 
8:16 PM
Do moderators see they own posts getting flagged?
 
@ssube love me
 
@ndugger lol, not true, there isn't only one way, ever
 
I get it, other peoples code sucks. you guys see the fucking js that we had before jQuery? 1000 different shims / abstractions that didn't really work together. paid libs that only worked in ie6 with activeX, inline everything
 
@SterlingArcher porky low nose dose
 
8:17 PM
@CSᵠ Because of the DOM api, yes, that's the best way to do it
You try to do it elsewise and tell me.
 
it's spanishish for "why not both?"
 
@rlemon jq had a time, that time ended
 
porque no las dos? lol
 
@CSᵠ what's the error anyways?
 
@William pretty sure yes - unless you're confusing RO's with mods, in which case we see flags, not mod flags.
 
8:17 PM
@KevinB Good idea, any suggestions for SBT3 plugins? Or IntelliJ
 
I am betting $5 on glu not being installed
 
I'm happy to try it if you give me moderator privileges.
 
Sorry my cousin says that a lot. It kind of sticks
 
error: aborting due to previous error
Could not compile `servo`.
 
@William we are not mods
we are room owners
 
8:17 PM
:P
 
we see flags, not moderator flags.
 
Not even all ROs see flags
That's just 10k priv
 
@CSᵠ abstractions will always have a place
 
Everyone over 10k sees flags
 
Check your privilege @William
 
8:18 PM
and you can see but not vote on your own, IIRC
 
^ I don't think so, many times @jhawins never knew he was flagged
 
Still not a moderator darn
 
@AwalGarg "error: linking with cc failed: exit code: 1"
 
@ApathyBear i havent used sbt3 in a while, but here's a plugin i found with google: packagecontrol.io/packages/SublimeLinter-contrib-eslint i use eslint in vscode
 
yes you see when your own stuff is flagged
you just can't vote on it
 
8:19 PM
Can we test this theory without getting in trouble
 
requries sublimelinter
 
@SterlingArcher I've seen my own stuff flagged
 
@CSᵠ linking what? did it fail to find some file? does that file have the name "cl" in it?
 
there is nothing to test
 
pre-10k?
 
8:20 PM
pre-10K you used to be able to do it
 
@KevinB cheers!
 
!!s/to/to unit-/
 
@SterlingArcher pre-10K you used to unit- be able to do it (source)
 
@SterlingArcher I don't think that's why he didn't know.
 
I never see when my stuff is flagged
 
8:20 PM
DAMMIT
 
@AwalGarg next cc line is a huuuuuge dump, need to see wth is that
 
that might be patched. it's been a long time since I was pre 10k
but I remember seeing the blue bar on a message of mine pre-10k
 
@AwalGarg "note: collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status"
 
okay so who is interested in this new plugin/extension/whatever
I've got some questions
 
@rlemon Yes, I will buy dinner before, no I don't do butt stuff.
 
8:22 PM
like, should you be able to remove scripts from the popup? do you wanna be notified when a script updates or just have it silently disable itself.... if you wanna see the notification? where?
 
@CSᵠ so it wasn't able to resolve something. that something is a header file, try finding out the name of that file from that dump :P
 
should extensions aside from .js and .css work?
 
also build with the --verbose flag and set RUST_BACKTRACE=1
 
@AwalGarg yeah but the damn thing took an hour to compile, i had other stuff to to meanwhile
 
@rlemon Yes, notified, use the desktop notifier.
 
8:24 PM
@CSᵠ I always do | tee /tmp/someLog when doing such stuff :P
 
.js and .css only for not at least.
 
makes life 42 times easier
 
@AwalGarg i love using guake/yakuake
 
@AwalGarg if you're in a terminal with scrolling/searching buffers (tmux, maybe screen), you don't even need to do that.
 
8:26 PM
http://www.brainjet.com/random/59591/the-entire-bible-explained-in-one-facebook-post-this-guy-nails-it/
TL;DR version of the bible
 
@Trasiva but that doesn't always work. I check files on page load
 
'Dragon Front' is Oculus Rift's most exciting game yet ^ cc @KendallFrey
 
so the notification on the desktop ?? seems kinda misplaced
I was thinking flashing the popup icon/ changing its colour
 
@Loktar Why the fuck would they put a turn-based game in VR?
 
why not!?
 
8:27 PM
@rlemon Ah, okay. Yea, change the icon would work, or even just make it so it has a notification counter, and when you click, they're listed.
 
In your face turn based action! :p
 
Some fucking nobgoblin broke into my shed whilst I was at work
 
lol yeah I saw that @SterlingArcher pretty insane
 
8:29 PM
@Loktar Well, I mean, I'd expect a turn-based game to gain very little from VR, as opposed to vehicle simulators etc.
 
How is it you always appear before I ping you?
 
couldnt figure out if he stomped on the dudes head
@KendallFrey yeah I agree
but I'm glad there is content at least coming
 
@Loktar VR turn based? so I can virtually slap you when you take 35 minutes to move your tanks ONE FUCKING SQUARE! WHAT WAS THE POINT JASON?! I SWEAR TO GOD IM NEVER PLAYING FUCKING CIV WITH YOU AGAIN! :throws VR unit at screen and walks away:
 
@KendallFrey I would not want to play Portal in VR.
 
Oh? Why not?
 
8:30 PM
ahaha @rlemon that would be badass!
 
Imagine setting up a portal loop and going super fast IN VR.
you'd get sick so fucking quick
 
like real life
 
some of the loop-loop-catapult moves would be killer
like, you would die
 
@rlemon we're tied on gold badges now
 
8:31 PM
VR TMNT
 
VR Goat Simulator
 
@SterlingArcher you got more rep than me too
:)
 
Doubtful if you include the bounties you give out
 
kinda for school but also for personal curiosity: does anyone here think that Apple should provide the FBI with that masterkey software?
 
@towc Fuck no
@towc They're already asking them to do 17 more iPhones
 
8:34 PM
you don't need justification if you say no for me :P
I'd be really interested in why who'd say yes would think that
 
Give it to them, no, but use it for them, yes on a case by case basis.
 
It's a complete invasion of ethics
 
FBI is asking for a back door, not for a one off
 
Didn't Apple specifically get rid of this backdoor to avoid this shit?
 
@KevinB the only fact that Apple could possess a master key would make me angry
 
8:35 PM
@ssube the detaching etc. is all nice but doesn't work across reboots. I can pipe their stdin and stderr on will to a file later on but that suffers from the usual snipping issue of very long logs.
 
I know someone that would offer up their back door
 
@towc They already have one, to push their updates
 
@BenFortune and brick their phones :D
 
@AwalGarg what's a "reboot?"
 
Apple wants to push their updates into their back door
 
8:36 PM
well, they can have it, even without using it to help the fbi
 
@rlemon They reverted that :p
 
euphemisms
 
Still a pleb move though
 
illegal in the car industry at least.
 
@KevinB so even if it already has it, at least they've never used it publicaly and we don't know about them. But giving them for a single case would prove that they have it which would drive a lot of people nuts
 
8:36 PM
@KevinB having it means the FBI can force them to use it
 
would love to see legislation pass for other industries as well
 
Does anyone know if there is a way to run code on a React element when it becomes/is visible? This is for lazy image loading.
 
god I need to get browserify on this project :/
the code duplication I thought wouldn't be much is getting out of hand
 
Apple should just throw away the key. That would just end this issue
 
The golden rule of duplicate code: Twice is ok, three times is a refactor.
 
8:38 PM
@rlemon Your util methods? Can't you just have them globally?
 
@SterlingArcher Ha! That's what you thiiiiiink.
 
@KendallFrey chrome extensions have no module system, and I need some methods in a content_script, the popup, the background page, the options page
 
@ssube lets say it is closing all devices, streams, and magic stuff in /dev and reopening them
 
Also did you find out the revision date stuff?
 
@BenFortune yup
@BenFortune not between content_scripts and popups and options pages etc. :P
just using browserify on the build step would be fine tho
I just didn't set it up
 
8:41 PM
@SterlingArcher I fuck with a lot of things
2
 
Whoo; we're dumping TypeScript for Flow + Babel!
That's a win.
 
!!s/with//
 
@BenFortune @SterlingArcher I fuck a lot of things (source)
 
@SterlingArcher then they couldn't issue updates
 
HOLY SHIT MY SWAG ARRIVED
 
8:43 PM
I'm never gonna get my swag... those bastards.
 
@KendallFrey What'cha get?
 
I got my swag within like 5 days of asking for it O.o
 
so far. some stickers, a notepad thingie and pen
 
@ndugger you were banned from usage of swag from the USA government, can't you remember? That time you killed those people using your swag...
 
No mug? D:
 
8:44 PM
all i got though was a T-shirt and some stickers
 
oh wait, it's specific swag...
what's this about?
 
@BenFortune didn't open it all yet
 
It's about swag, dammit
 
1 tshirt i guess, not 2
 
yolo swag.
 
8:44 PM
@towc yeah, and I bet you wear a snapback, don't you?
 
googles snapback
all day every day
 
I gave up on swag
they apparently sent it out twice (3 years ago)
never arrived
 
yep, mug included
 
only if I go out with friends. Too bad I don't have friends
 
@towc That's already too much
 
8:45 PM
 
lol this shirt is not optimized for Canada
 
you get a snapback and roofies for free when you buy an Audi and enroll in a private college
 
@KendallFrey Is XXL too small?
 
@ssube Ouch
 
> I have e^(i*pi) + 1 friends, and that's also the reason
 
8:47 PM
friends? yea I got like 550 of them on facebook. wutchugot?
 
Good branded wireless IP cameras anyone?
 
@towc Math jokes might be why you don't have friends.
 
@ssube "and that's also the reason"
 
@BenFortune indoor? outdoor?
 
@rlemon Indoor
 
8:48 PM
@rlemon backdoor
 
@towc you're too young to make sex jokes.
 
Some shitdick broke into my shed and stole my lawnmower and some car parts
 
backdoor to the future
 
you just make the rest of us feel like we've done something illegal
:P
 
I was referring to the apple thing, but ok...
 
8:49 PM
@rlemon Have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?
 
@AwalGarg fyyyyyyyyy
 
@rlemon imgrownupenoughihaveabeardok?
 
@CSᵠ my sincere apologies
 
@BenFortune MOXA makes industrial ones..
 
^ not actually me
 
8:50 PM
they are okay
dunno if there is commercial ones for cheaper
probably is
 
@AwalGarg well, +1 since i got burnt (barely found the extra i )
 
Wow those are pricey
 
@BenFortune rpi, webcam, motion library, wireless dongle
get it all for <$100
takes ten minutes to setup
 
@towc You should probably shave. You look like you glued some pubes on your face.
 
2 mins ago, by towc
^ not actually me
 
8:52 PM
I need a trim
 
I miss my beard
 
trying to make it look like I can grow a beard
but I'm all patchy
 
@ndugger ur beautiful
 
@ndugger put down the fork
 
ARE YOU CALLING ME FAT
because I am
 
8:53 PM
SORRY NOT SORRY
 
@ndugger you totally look like this other guy I know
 
because I am too
 
almost exactly
he talks about weird stuff and video games too
 
$ cat /var/www/wp/wp-content/index.php
<?php
// Silence is golden.
$
 
@ssube Is his name "nick" only upside down?
 
8:53 PM
lul
 
I don't really talk about video games
 
one time he tried to talk to me about video games while I was busy partying and now we're not friends :|
@Zirak no, grey or gray or grheiaouy or something
however you spell that
 
I have a friend like that; He only talks about video games and metal
I don't participate in either all that much
 
8:55 PM
shut up, I've seen you, you can grow a better beard than I can
:'(
 
gravatar posting contest?
 
@ndugger people who only ever talk about one thing get old super fast
 
I can't grow a beard...
 
They're just boring people in general; expand your horizons, man
 
@BenFortune my grandma called, she wants her sweater back
 
8:56 PM
@rlemon Hey fuck you, that was expensive
 
@BenFortune :P
 
i probably could.. but it gets irritating after not shaving for a few days
 
@BenFortune then why'd you steal it from your poor grandma? Old people don't have much money
 
@BenFortune I can't really see it, I just see knit -- and your floating nipple hole with exposed nipple
 
8:57 PM
@rlemon It's a ghost
 
^ 4 years ago or smth
you have no reason to see that, but there it is
 
@BenFortune idk man. How do I know that is you in the picture.. you are from the UK right? there is no tea in that pic.
 
BUSTED
 
Current beard status: sexy
 
Current brow status: trimmed
 
8:59 PM
@towc You're a fucking weird kid.
 

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