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4:00 PM
@ndugger The latter is completely dependant on the context. For example, I need it to notify the employee that when they close this window, the record they are editing will be unlocked and can be edited by others. That isn't rude or 'begging'
 
onbeforeunload is inconvenient, poor practice, rude, and yet... for some(non-computer savy) people it works very well against
 
@Jay I suppose that's true; I just assume that most newbies that come in here, asking about really bad features are just trying to take advantage of their users.
Because that's generally the case
 
@KevinB the most utilized event by porn websites
 
@ton.yeung really? A high displacement engine like that can beat a cheap muscle car? whodathunk
 
@Jay hah look at you and your totally valid reason :P
 
4:04 PM
onbeforeunload should basically only be used on online sandboxes to tell me I haven't saved the environment before I leave
or, similar reasons. (just read Jays reason :D)
10/10 would be playing on this thing all day long as a kid
 
LOL wtf @rlemon
someone put an engine in it?
 
looks like some big kids got it going good
little guys just grabbed on for dear life
 
@rlemon Either you or I would have been stupid and tried to tie ourselves to it.
 
@Trasiva we had a LARGE maple tree in a friends back yard. tied a rope to it on a branch higher than the houses, stood on the shed, held the rope and jumped. we always tried to get as many people holding the rope on a single ride, and we always tried to swing around the tree....we never swung around the tree.
we did this for years.
many of us broke bones.
kids are stupid
 
Anonymous
@ndugger Minus the usage of onbeforeunload, do you have any idea why the return statement breaks the function ?
 
4:10 PM
@rlemon We had this stump at the end of our drive that lead right out to the highway. My dad never got it removed properly, and the ash from trying to burn it multiple times had hardened into an almost perfect ramp. We used to fly down the drive and jump it, right into the highway. It's amazing we never got hit since we never kept lookouts.
 
@Jay besides the fact that "return" is not a function, nope. Are you getting any errors?
 
@SterlingArcher We're doing this if/when I get the job.
 
@Jay by appending that image that causes the unlock, isn't that unlocking it regardless of whether or not they decide to stay?
 
@Trasiva sounds more complicated and less productive than true american
 
4:11 PM
My brother and I used to build forts in the woods -- we nailed some plywood to tree roots as a base... one day we had to tear it down, and I had to push this rusty nailed hunk of wood over the creek. My brother said, if it falls back to you, catch it. So who knew a 12 year old didn't have the strength to shove a full piece of plywood up and over? Not me. Rusty nails right through my hand as I caught it
 
@ton.yeung Who says I'm already not one?
@ssube It looks like something fun once in a while.
@ton.yeung I still fail to see the problem.
 
@SterlingArcher I jumped out of a tree, landed, fell to me knees, nail :/ another time I stepped on one and didn't notice till I went to step again and the board came with me
 
@Trasiva stop drinking you'll see the problem
 
fuck tetanus shots
 
Anonymous
@KevinB That's the behaviour I expected yes (I moved the return statement to the bottom just for debugging) Whether it's at the top or bottom of the function, it seems to prevent the script from being called
 
4:13 PM
@littlepootis ...stop drinking? If you stop, you get a hangover!
 
Can you scroll a certain amount in javascript?
 
@SterlingArcher your brother is older right?
 
@Trasiva well uh..
 
@SterlingArcher mine liked to take advantage. "sure mom I'll teach him how to ride a bike" - put me on his bike and pushed me down the driveway and let go as I entered the street.
 
Anonymous
4:14 PM
@ndugger I said it was a statement, not a function ;P. No errors, hm, maybe i'll just forget the dialogue box all together.
 
@ton.yeung ...I can make pho while drinking. It's not that difficult.
@rlemon I was the oldest and only boy. My parents made sure I didn't do shit like that.
 
@Trasiva I'm fairly certain that if I were to stop drinking at this point, the cumulative hangover would literally kill me.
 
hmm, it should be possible to hijack outgoing dns resolution requests on my home router, right?
 
Please everyone keep drinking, in fact.. drink MORE! less in the pool of competitive programmers muhaha
 
@ssube Archer applies to everything.
@ton.yeung I make everything but the noodles.
 
4:16 PM
@AwalGarg not always
@Loktar less?
 
@Loktar there are high functioning alcoholics
 
ever seen somebody code drunk?
 
@Loktar Hey, I can drink and program. Just when it comes time for the code review, don't be surprised.
 
@ssube I mean you guys will die sooner
 
I love to drink; I also love to program; I absolutely do not like to drink and program... I end up getting bored, distracted, etc. It doesn't work for me
 
4:16 PM
@ssube how do I check if I can? I have got TP-Link MR3020 stock firmware
 
My current workplace has beer in the fridge
 
@Loktar we... will?
 
@ssube yes, xterm devs
 
@ssube there is a weird relationship between death and alcohol.
 
@AwalGarg it depends on the client settings.
 
4:17 PM
I want resolution requests for *.facebook.com on all connected devices to resolve to 0.0.0.0
 
@ton.yeung Mmm, every fall I make up 15 quarts or so of smoked chicken stock that I use for stuff like that.
 
When I get a buzz going, the last thing I want to do is sit in front of a computer; I like to talk to people, have a laugh, etc.
 
@Loktar yeah, after somebody dies, you drink.
 
user1596138
@Loktar lol omg
 
4:18 PM
I knew @rlemon would have some random article justifying a bad habit!
 
@ssube but client ultimately has to send everything and receive everything from the router
 
@rlemon after that much booze, what is hard?
 
@Loktar I've never once tried to justify it. you made the claim drinkers die sooner. There is evidence to suggest otherwise
that's all
 
@AwalGarg yes, but the client can choose to ask the router for DNS info or not. That's based on the DHCP lease, typically, but can be overridden on the client to directly query a remote server.
 
4:19 PM
I've actually been quite open about my own personal problems with it and how I recognize the problem.
 
There's nothing wrong with drinking, as long as you're not an alcoholic; why are we discussing this?
 
so don't put words in my mouth and make it seem like I'm justifying it
 
user1596138
@Loktar The first picture for that article hahaha
 
@ton.yeung The only thing I have to do is simmer it with some ginger before I introduce the slivers of meat to cook.
 
4:19 PM
Of course there is
it's bob
 
@rlemon I didnt have to put words in your mouth. You posted an article.
 
@ton.yeung and since we're all adults, they can probably sort that out on their own
 
user1596138
@ndugger There's nothing wrong with the occasional crack rock either amirite
 
I prefer coke
 
@jhawins ok CIA
 
user1596138
4:20 PM
!!urban cia
 
how is posting an article that disagrees with your claim make it so I'm justifying alcoholism.
 
@ssube are you talking about caching? then we can ignore it. But other than that, I don't see how it is possible for a device behind a home router to directly query a remote server without having the router as a middleware.
 
user1596138
Wow...
 
ew
 
4:20 PM
Thanks @jhawins
 
user1596138
I didn't know! Honest lol
 
@jhawins never heard the story about how the CIA created crack in the 80s?
 
TIL too
 
@AwalGarg no, not caching.
 
user1596138
4:20 PM
@ssube Does crack melt steel beams?
 
@ssube according to urban dictionary, the CIA are interested in a different kind of crack
 
@rlemon generally trying to prove any point counts as justification.
 
@jhawins probably
 
I wasn't trying to prove a point, you made a claim. I googled "does alcohol lead to higher mortality rates" and found and article refuting it
but okay man
 
@ton.yeung I use chicken carcasses and smoked chicken meat that have been slow smoked, so the smokiness is in the broth. Onions, carrots, celery, garlic, parsley, salt, pepper.
 
user1596138
4:21 PM
I don't drink but I smoke. I think I average about a beer a month since I turned 21
 
@ssube how would client be able to query remote server directly?
 
@ton.yeung I take the meat out when the stock is done!
 
@AwalGarg so, when a client connects to a network with DHCP (most home networks), it broadcasts asking for a lease. The DHCP server (not necessarily the router, but at home, probably) will reply with a gateway and DNS servers for the connection. The client saves that and sends all traffic through the gateway, with DNS requests being routed to the servers given by the router.
 
The stock is strained, c'mon @ton.yeung, what kind of scrublord cook do you take me for?
 
4:23 PM
Most home routers won't have a DNS proxy, caching server, forwarder, or anything of the sort and will reply with the remote DNS server (say Google's, at 4.4.4.4).
Any DNS requests will be routed through the router after that, but will go to Google's DNS, and the response will come back.
 
@rlemon the fact you didn't pick the first link says otherwise, but okay man
 
@SterlingArcher dark dark dark
 
@ton.yeung Again, when I make the stock itself, I freeze it because I make so much. I add ginger and soy to the stock when I'm simmering for pho, cilantro is easy to get a hold of, but star anise I can't get here.
 
user1596138
@ssube I usually have to set it to Google's DNS, the default is usually my ISP. I thought that was how most routers worked
 
@ton.yeung Cilantro is coriander
 
4:24 PM
@Loktar I'm not even going to pretend that didn't bother me man. You know I've talked about my personal problems with alcoholism, to even suggest I would try to justify drinking is just a douche move
 
Not in vanilla jQuery. You could write an extension to do that, but you'll have to do that yourself in Javascript. — Aeolingamenfel 2 mins ago
What in the fuck did I just read
 
so whatever man, read into it all you will.
 
@jhawins it is, yeah
 
vanilla jQuery
 
I wasn't justifying shit. to suggest I was isn't cool
 
4:25 PM
nicer routers (pfSense, for example) have a DNS relay or server running and will direct DHCP clients to the local server, which a) caches and b) registers DHCP leases as DNS names
 
@ton.yeung Yea, I don't use the leaves, I grow my own..
 
I prefer the term season-fetus
 
@ton.yeung So maybe it isn't like straight from Poo's kitchen, but it's good enough for me and the folks I serve it to.
 
@ssube hmm, that kind of makes sense. But how can client "sends all traffic through the gateway"? that traffic still has to pass through the router anyways, right?
 
@rlemon my comments were in relation to your articles generally related to vaping
 
4:26 PM
vaping cures cancer
 
sorry if you took offense.
 
@ton.yeung It's all good, I'm just in a stressful point right now, so it's probably partially me not thinking fully setraight.
 
@AwalGarg the router (typically) is the gateway
@Trasiva nah, you're just taking the bait this morning
@ton.yeung you're really trying to tick people off today
 
user1596138
 
user1596138
lol @Loktar trolling the office
 
4:28 PM
@ssube Well, I always get stressed for some reason when I'm applying for jobs.
 
@ssube indeed, I just looked at my router's dashboard and that's the case. It also shows me 2 DNS server addresses, which are actually the same, just listed twice :/ So how clients now work is, they send a resolution request to the dns server address via the gateway, and the gateway is the router. Do I get it right?
 
I'm so mad, I could vote for Donald Trump
 
@ndugger I'm Furious
 
@ton.yeung That's the way to do it. Keep it basic, you can always add the appropriate spices you need for various things when you go to utilize it. Freeze it into portions and it's even easier.
 
@ton.yeung You can and should. Between trying to pick a fight with Trasiva, jabs about alcoholism, you need to chill this morning.
 
4:30 PM
I'm Führerious
 
Nein
 
@ndugger are you gonna start consuming juice ?
/ too dark ?
 
user1596138
 
I don't think Hitler ever ate the jews... he wasn't a cannibal
 
@ssube ?
I hope you're joking
 
4:31 PM
nah, he's been looking for stuff to argue about. @rlemon and how fiber is faster than the internet, this convo about pho
it's his usual borderline-trolling taken a little over the top
 
As dangerous as I think it is for this country to elect Trump; I don't really care at this point. Let's have WWIII, everyone will die. The end.
 
user1596138
@ssube I'm having so much trouble finding ANYTHING...?
 
If you don't agree with room regulars it doesnt mean you're trolling.
 
@jhawins hes about to go "I WANT MOMMY"
 
4:33 PM
@ton.yeung Fun story, most ISPs here heavily shape P2P traffic.
 
user1596138
Even so, @ton.yeung is a room regular.
 
@Abhishrek that's an expression of anger, not him about to cry... You're not very good at reading emotion, are you? lol
 
@Loktar duh. Starting and drawing out an argument about it does.
 
Usually I can't get more than 50kb/s on my 200mbit line.
 
@ndugger you are not good with kids are you ?
 
4:33 PM
I don't feel like ton was trolling me about fiber, I just think we were looking through two different scopes at the comparison
 
@BenFortune encrypt it
 
I'm not, no
 
Tell no to a 10 year old the first time, exactly same face!
 
user1596138
@Abhishrek Dat comeback
 
I don't like young kids.
Once they reach like 8 years old, though, then I like kids
 
4:33 PM
@ssube I gots a VPN
 
@ndugger thats nice you won't have em either :3
 
user1596138
!!s/kids/them/
 
@jhawins Once they reach like 8 years old, though, then I like them (source)
 
Kids are fun when they learn how to be a person
 
@BenFortune either that's your problem or it's not helping (if the traffic isn't encrypted)
 
4:34 PM
@Abhishrek that's the plan
I don't want kids
 
Good for the genome <:
 
hey, fuck you too
 
@ssube I meant 50kb/s without the VPN, with the VPN I get full speeds.
 
2.9 bro :D
 
you have 2.9 kids? Did they lose an ear or something?
 
4:35 PM
Is there a way to get the linebreaks in this question to be intepreted properly
 
@BenFortune oh, weird. Encrypted P2P traffic is fairly hard to pick out, unless you're opening a ton of connections.
 
@ndugger 1/3 in my case one will be born with MS so yeah they did :-(
 
@Abhishrek Microsoft Syndrome?
 
whoa, i just found a question where someone is using node.js to create coldfusion code
 
I don't think MS makes ears fall off
 
4:36 PM
eats the nerves : hence 2.9
 
@KevinB jesus no
 
@ssube Connection limit is usually set to 200, I don't usually go over 50 though
 
not 2.7-8
 
@KevinB Close that shit, now. Dear mother of god.
 
or to parse it
or something
it's weird as hell
 
4:36 PM
ISP is smart enough to know it's P2P though, and just fuck me
 
user1596138
!!s/\w+/words/g
 
@jhawins words words words words words words words'words words words, words words words words (source)
 
How do you parse CFM?
 
very carefully
 
@SterlingArcher With a paper shredder.
 
4:37 PM
Like as a string or are they trying to run CFM as Node???
 
@BenFortune That seems low. Could it be a routing issue?
 
no, they have a string that they want to insert into a database
that string... is coldfusion code
 
Even though 200 conns is super low, an old consumer router could still have trouble.
 
Is there any way to prevent <br> doing line breaks with css?
 
4:38 PM
@copy your game of life crashes if you zoom in a lot?
 
user1596138
@William You can target by element in CSS....
 
@rlemon without doing display noen
 
@Neoares I have a life?
 
@Loktar I don't have any words for this one... but yeah. Oh, and the sauce is better
 
@Neoares so does real life, man
 
4:39 PM
sry, it was copy
 
@KevinB Jesus God Yaweh Allah Krishna, NO!
 
@William why would that be a constraint?
 
^
 
Jesus what did I just watch lol
 
4:39 PM
@Zirak do you? :o
 
This is my actual use case jsfiddle.net/96joLeae/5
 
user1596138
@William You already did, good job lol sorry
 
@William add in a space to replace it
 
that use case is confusing
why not use pre?
 
Just don't use <br/>
 
4:40 PM
and the coldfusion code is riddled with ${var} stuff, so i assume they eventually pass it into a templating engine that outputs coldfusion code to be executed at some point. ew
 
user1596138
@William why don't you do content: " " like the answers suggest?
 
You're not suing it semantically anyways
 
@jhawins It says it doesn't work in IE
 
@SterlingArcher LOL wth
 
user1596138
Did you test it
 
4:41 PM
@Loktar I can't even
 
Well I know IE7 it doesn't work from experience don't remember IE8 though
 
content doesn't work because display: none kills the element
content is in the element
pseduo elements won't work either for the same reason
they exist inside of the element you target
 
user1596138
If you have to support IE7 you have bigger problems
 
but really, this is probably not a job for css
 
I will test although I don't think it will work with my use case
 
4:42 PM
@Neoares Yep, thanks
 
user1596138
IE8 supports content, so unless it acts weird with <br> you can just do the space thing.. or a zero width character or something
 
@Loktar I want the linebreaks different in the displayed code then the code that is actually copied
 
@jhawins how do you expect content to appear when you display:none the element the content is in?
 
user1596138
@William jsfiddle.net/ogkb6gmn works here
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum gsnedders is on #whatwg
 
user1596138
4:44 PM
@rlemon You don't use display:none, he said he DOESNT want to use that
 
user1596138
If he were using that why would we need to remove the linebreak.... It would already be gone
 
hi for new
ehm
 
@jhawins It accomplishes the same thing as display:none
 
what
 
i think it works with this my method to avoid parsing error of svg
 
4:44 PM
the linebreaks are not interpreted when copying and pasting
 
user1596138
@William Yes, and? You said make a br not do a linebreak without using display:none
 
@MarkusWerner I think so as well.
 
user1596138
Oh you still want them on copy/paste?
 
@jhawins sorry when you said "like the answer suggested" stackoverflow.com/a/19300850/829835 I assumed you meant use them in conjunction
 
4:45 PM
@MarkusWerner your English is very broken.
 
1) Can i read all content of svgz file (zipped svg) ?
 
@jhawins I was trying to clarify with my use case example. I want the code display to have different line breaks then the code pasted.
 
woah is svgz a thing?
 
@ssube Like I said, they openly say they heavily shape P2P traffic. It seems they can sort of detect the encrypted traffic too, unless it's through a VPN.
 
never heard of that honestly.
 
4:45 PM
2) If i can read how can i do it?
 
svgz is a changed extension from svg
 
@William are you making a online code editor? because usually they don't change the actual code, they have an offscreen textarea and maintain a visual version of the same code which is rebuilt on the fly
 
user1596138
@William You want the red car to be blue but also red.
 
@Loktar SVG is crazy fat normally and GZIP is pretty well supported, so it makes sense
 
4:46 PM
that reduce 10 times (they say so....) the dimension of svg
 
@ssube yeah just didn't know there was an actual format for it, pretty interesting
 
ok @Loktar
 
@jhawins I have been able to all characters except linebreaks using a span and width:0;height:0;. So it almost works.
 
user1596138
Can you use a carriage return in a span element and force it to have 0 height?
 
@copy can I get that sheep.exe on my windows 7/10?
 
4:48 PM
@Neoares doesnt work
 
@rlemon I want a x(100 as an example) character word wrap on my website but I want it to wrap at y(80 for example) when they copy it into an editor.
 
@MarkusWerner as far as I understand, the svgz is gotten as svg in your browser
 
Q_Q
 
ok, switching from 10 to 98, brb
 
4:48 PM
lol
it's 16bit iirc, that's why it wont work
 
Correct @FlorianMargaine
 
@Neoares what an upgrade!
@MarkusWerner then I don't understand your question
 
sheep.exe works on wine
 
Ok. Watch this link
 
@copy finally, something that does :P
 
@copy yeah my win 8.1 x64 can't even open it :/
 
and see the error
 
@ssube ikr
 
on top
i would want hide the error
 
4:49 PM
@FlorianMargaine yep, 88 upgrades
 
user1596138
@ssube Most things do lol even on Mac
 
> But also, it didn't had borat sound effects.
 
i discovered the problem but i want avoid showing parse error
 
good reason to remake it
 
What will MS do in 85 versions when they hit 95 again?
 
4:50 PM
@MarkusWerner I don't see it
 
hahaha
 
user1596138
Wine Bottler is nicer still you can make a .app out of it
 
If anyone thinks of anything that should be added to You Don't Need jQuery, if you would please submit an issue or a PR, that would be fantastic.
11
 
you don't see the link?
 
I don't see the error
(except one in dom_utils.js)
 
4:51 PM
@BenFortune Did you never play the 'Kill the X' games as a kid?
 
@jhawins dude, sarcasm
 
ah.... what browser? are you using? @FlorianMargaine
 
user1596138
@ssube They'll get there in 42.5 versions because every iteration is "just that much better" that it skips a version
 
@MarkusWerner chromium
 
ah ok
i'm getting it on chrome
 
4:52 PM
chromium == chrome
 
user1596138
@ndugger Does anyone still think they need jQuery? Preaching to the choir or to the script kiddies who don't care :P
 
not very equals
 
@jhawins Yes they do
 
@BenFortune yes!! :c
 
4:52 PM
add remove and toggling classes should not have been added to the DOM APIs
 
@jhawins the folks at my last job were up in arms about how you absolutely need it, because browsers are so inconsistent
 
lol press "Get Real"
 
the architect straight up told me that I had to use it
 
user1596138
@ndugger Yeah those people are the script kiddies I'm talking about.
 
user1596138
You had a shit team.
 
4:53 PM
No, these were very smart people
 
user1596138
Psh
 
they're still stuck in the ideals of 5-6 years ago
 
They were just uninformed
 
user1596138
Smart but outdated
 
4:53 PM
@jhawins if you're still selling to blue color customers, you do
 
Sure, which is why this information is important
 
I remember when that was trending
over 6k stars
 
@ndugger $.fn.parents?
 
@Loktar Yeah, but it's outdated, which is why I made mine
which I say is based off of youmightnotneedjquery
 
user1596138
@ndugger are browsers more consistent with Fetch? Is that even ES7 or just up in the air?
 
4:54 PM
ah, why not do a PR to the main one?
 
@jhawins You can polyfill fetch
 
@Loktar where is IE6 and IE7?
 
might get more visibility
 
@ndugger Stop trying to make fetch happen.
 
4:55 PM
@Loktar Because a lot of it is old and outdated, and it's easier to start over from scratch
 
@SterlingArcher Hah
 
@ndugger Why not async/await
 
I don't like the way the old one was managed
 
Not to mention the first example is absolute hilarious
 
yeah looks like the last update was 2 years ago, crazy
 
4:55 PM
@SterlingArcher Oh dear god I just hit drugs
 
@SterlingArcher Dude, I've heard that going through the car wash on drugs is a great time.
 
@copy I'm trying to show off as much as possible without the need for transpilers
 
youd think with that many stars, ect. it would stay active
 
user1596138
IE doesn't support Promise or Fetch... You're making a page to show that browsers are now consistent and you don't need polyfills and frameworks for consistency but you are using technologies that are anything BUT consistently supported.
 
user1596138
4:56 PM
Like it's bass ackwards
 
@jhawins You can polyfill promise and fetch; I mention that a lot of the things that I'm showing can be polyfilled
 
@jhawins who cares about IE
 
polyfills !== libraries
 
user1596138
@ndugger So you need a library.... Like jQuery?
 
Don't get your knickers in such a bind
 
4:56 PM
@Loktar this is JS. There's probably a blog post about "why youmightnotneedjquery is slow and designed with too many dependencies" and a website rebutting that and a startup to create an alternative in the cloud.
 
No
 
user1596138
Meh. Close enough. You still need anothe rresource
 
Polyfills are not a library...
Dude; your logic is skewed
 
@ndugger jq has dataset :P
 
polyfills are a library
 
user1596138
4:57 PM
Spare me the technicality discussion you know I know what it is.
 
just looking through your examples
 
just a very small one
 
I can already see some peoples complaints, "pure js has more lines of code!"
 
@Loktar jquery ahs their own "data" method, but it doesn't set data attributes, it sets properties in memory.
 
is there a guide to elegantly dealing with deeply nested data in JSON?
 
4:57 PM
I still can't get over that somebody legit said "Vanilla jQuery can't, but JavaScript can" and wasn't joking.
 
@Loktar that's not very true. In most of the example, they're similar lengths
 
@ndugger yeah, but a JQ user is going to be using .data regardless
 
@Loktar Use less linebreaks.
 
user1596138
I'm saying your repo is about not needing more libraries (frameworks, polyfills, extra scripts, whatever) specifically jQuery, because modern browsers are consistent. But you used totally inconsistent technologies. It just doesn;t make sense to me, that's all.
 
4:58 PM
most don't understand that's what its doing
 
@Loktar which is super buggy, btw
 
@FlorianMargaine yeah I agree, I hate it
 
youmightnotneedjquery.com?
 
user1596138
4:58 PM
Go ahead and use Fetch then you get no Safari support, no IE and the only mobile browser that supports it is mobile Chrome.
 
lel
 
@ssube I disagree; polyfills don't affect the browsers that already have those APIs. It's only for bringing the legacy browser up to speed. It's not something that you use like a library, unless you consider the APIs to be libraries themsevles, which is an argument you could make.
 
like that.. I know a JQ user will just say.. why wouldnt I use the shorter one?
 
"IF your concern is the size of JQuery for loading then perhaps consider something like angularJS." what?
 
user1596138
Use Promise and the default Android browser doesn't even support it.
 
user1596138
4:59 PM
So these techs are anything but consistent and the readme outlines the need for third party libraries or polyfills pretty well.
 

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