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1:00 AM
are you cool about it? can we make jokes?
> Will write HTML for smokes
 
yeah lol
 
serious question tho: are there computers in any prisons for people to learn / practise programming?
like, I know there are trade schools (so to speak) and other shit
but computers are more relevant today
 
no
 
I have friends who have been, but I never asked.
they were only in PC anyways
 
but I played my cards right, I get to go to rehab
 
1:02 AM
I imagine that really depends on the prison/jurisdiction/security level?
 
it's not jail/prison, and I might be able to even actively seek a job or education
 
something like probation?
 
I'm 25 and I've been on probation since I was 17...
 
so not something like probation, gotcha.
 
Every little encounter with the law gets me another 3 years on probation
I had a few drunk in publics
 
1:04 AM
white people get in trouble for that?
 
This is Kings County, they like to keep people down for some reason. It's not like this all over CA
 
too soon?
 
@Luggage that was racist.
 
@Luggage I had one of those once, but they let me off. they picked me up walking from the bar to the buss station. ended up paying some bs fine and spent the night in the drunk tank.
 
lol it's racist but true
 
1:05 AM
That was a comment on the state of racism.
 
racism exists?
 
always will.
 
but what's not racist, when you differentiate two races?
 
differentiating isn't racist. treating / viewing / whatever differently is.
 
differentiation is not always racist, if that's what you mean.
 
1:06 AM
@rlemon It all boils down to, I should've just paid my fines instead of being a rebel with a point to prove.
 
I can say black people look different and not be racist, that is a fact ( from my viewpoint ), but if I say something biggoted it is racist.
@Shea yea, I did that with my taxes.
gov fucked me over, I didn't pay for ten years.
on principal.
don't do it
 
@rlemon Is it racist to say that black people are bigger and stronger on average?
@rlemon principle
 
I'm basically paying mine with a year of my life
 
@KendallFrey depends on the focus group. you seen those swedes?!
 
the what
swedes...?
 
1:08 AM
...or whatever helps me sleep at night lol
 
Swedes (Swedish: svenskar) are a Germanic ethnic group native to Sweden, mostly inhabiting Sweden and the other Nordic countries, with descendants living in a number of countries. == Etymology == The English term "Swede" has been attested in English since the late 16th century and is of Middle Dutch or Middle Low German origin. In Swedish, the term is svensk, which is believed to have been derived from the name of svear (or Swedes), the people who inhabited Svealand in eastern central Sweden. The most popular theory is that svear are the same as the Suiones described in Tacitus' history Germania...
I'm not even making it up
 
I know who swedes are
 
seen the strong men competitions?
 
I didn't get the reference either.
 
seems like half of them are swedes
 
1:08 AM
my fiance is black. so I'm allowed to say nigga. right?
 
@Shea no
 
@Shea lol
 
but you can say cracker
she can't
 
lol
 
1:09 AM
she can say cracker, no flak
 
crl
black people can run better
 
i've never seen a white person get mad about 'cracker' or even notice.
 
TRIGGERED
 
@ton.yeung flagged.
 
@ton.yeung why do you have a pic of my cousin?
 
1:11 AM
I still love the bill burr bit about white people being ashy and not knowing it
black people have the one up one white people with the lotion game.
was a good skit
 
ever said something derogatory against a certain race, in a crowded area full of people of said race?
AND you were also of said race
oh the reactions
 
@culturalanomoly no, but my GF refers to raccoons as simply 'coons' and doesn't understand that isn't how other people see it. She often will go on in public about the 'coons in the neighbourhood'
some days I feel I'm going to get shot
 
@rlemon buah!
that's a funny one
 
for you!
 
1:13 AM
yea that only works in the context of 'coon-skin hats
 
crl
!!urban coon
 
damn coons going through my garbage, stealing my chicken bones
 
@crl coon Insulting term for a black person
 
try being in the middle of the mall and her saying "THINK THIS WILL KEEP THE COONS OUT OF THE YARD?!" pointing at a fake owl ofc.
 
lol
just the comic relief i needed after a days work
alright now, back to js
 
1:15 AM
doesn't help that her grandfather was a raccoon hunter in his younger days (I guess for the skins?). I didn't know that and heard a few stories about her grandad being a 'coon hunter' before I clued in.
 
so the first couple stories you thought her grandfather hunted people?
 
@ton.yeung 5+ years.
going on 6
@Luggage he passed before we met, and the stories were from the 30's
40's
and they are german.... (no racism)
I just didn't wanna question it really.
 
hate to be the one to break it to you but germans from the 40's were kinda known for their racism..
no worries
 
@Luggage ohh her fathers mother (moved here in the 70's) is SUPER racist
grabbed my ass once
 
lol @rlemon
 
1:19 AM
a gilf?
 
the family wasn't phased. apparently she does that.
@Luggage ohh hell no
 
horny racist. google a gif
 
@rlemon *fazed
 
!!sup
 
apparently all of the boyfriends from my generation get an ass grabbing. my gf has one sister and two cousins all female around the same age. all boyfriends have been molested by gram gram. 0_0
!!undo
 
1:21 AM
ass grabbing == molestation?
 
unwanted ass grabbing === sexual abuse === molestation.
 
grammy grabbing ass in affection as jest isn't molestation.
was she a serial ass grabber?
 
if gramps grabbed some mid 20 something girls ass people would call it abuse. :P
if grams does it is "cute" ??
 
why, yes.
it is.
 
you are what is wrong with the world today
 
crl
1:24 AM
still boob grab > ass grab
 
depends on the grabber (I ilke cheeks)
 
depends on the grabbie
 
joking aside I'm rather on the side that touching people without their consent, be they men or women should be treated the same (ugh, formulation)
 
but both are unwarrented
@FélixGagnon-Grenier exactly.
 
if(grammy.grabsAss({ time : '5s', targetSex: 'male' })) /* molester */ else if(grammy.grabsAss({ time : '2s', targetSex: 'male' })) /* playful banter */
 
1:27 AM
no.
 
the fact that you think grandma is allowed to grab ass but gramps isn't is a big red flag on your views of society
not that gramps should be allowed, but the fact that you differ the two is wrong.
just my $0.02
 
your $0.02 aren't enough to change my view on grammy.
 
the difference is that a male, being briefly fondled by an older woman, doesn't get the same feeling of threat or fear of escalation that some young women can get in that situation
generally
 
careful, with inflation and shit it will be $0.01 in some years. grab it while you can [no pun intended]
 
totallity of the circumstances matter
that's the problem with society today. they only care about the vectors that promote their narrative.
 
crl
1:30 AM
ass grabbing on same gender is fine?
 
@Luggage yes, and given society I agree. but that doesn't negate my point that we shouldn't hold a woman any less responsible than a man for a sex crime, however minimal.
 
it doesn't negate your point.
 
@crl on venus, yes
 
I'm not saying I care that grammy is an ass grabber in this situation.. but in the larger whole, yea I care.
but honestly, if her grandfather was alive and grabbed my ass, I'd feel the same :D
 
@rlemon i get your point. but, grammy is not molesting if she grabs your ass in jest.
 
1:31 AM
> If I can stop just one unexpected ass from getting grabbed..
 
grandpa, however?
 
@xandercoded then gramps isn't either.
no
you can't say one is and the other is innocent
that is sexist
 
then i'm sexist.
your point?
 
don't be
 
lock grandma up, throw away the key
 
1:34 AM
Though in my mind I see a pinch from grandma and a slightly too long 'cupping' by grandpa, which isn't the same thing..
but that's all made up in my mind.
 
@Luggage well yes, but we are not talking about that either. imagine both pinch and both cup.
 
then it's the same.
 
grams MIGHT get called out on the cup
gramps is getting called out on both 7/10
 
we can also start on what's cultural in our behavior. if grams saw her own cup cheeks all her life, maybe she would
 
!!help
 
1:36 AM
@xandercoded Information on interacting with me can be found at this page
 
!!google 'totality of the circumstances'
 
omg. guys. you didn't...
 
this entire thing is just becoming a theoretical about old people and how they are viewed. I remember a youtube experiment about an older guy taking pictures at a park of the kids... everyone lost their shit (no film, no pics).. and older women of the same age, at the same park doing the same thing. no one did a damn thing.
 
!!wiki 'totality of the circumstances'
 
1:37 AM
@xandercoded The Wikipedia contains no knowledge of such a thing
 
that's the sexiest bot on SO I'd hazard.
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier i like her, leave'r alone
"A totality of the circumstances standard suggests that there is no single deciding factor, that one must consider all the facts, the context, and conclude from the whole picture whether there is probable cause, or whether an alleged detention is really a detention, or whether a citizen acted under color of law."
 
yea, women can and are pedophiles, though it IS more common in men, at least in people that act on it
 
@rlemon in the same vein, also a couple making up a fight. when the men was become louder and louder, people would get upset and get aggressive towards him. When the women would do the same, even hitting him, people would laugh
 
so that difference in treatments is kinda justified
also woemn take more picture of their and others kids anyway
 
1:39 AM
@Luggage no... it is culturally more common
that's like saying men are brighter because more of them were in university fifty years ago
 
@Luggage yup, but why do we accept those stats and not stats that depict ethnics as criminals? I'm not calling ethnics criminals, because I'm also not calling all men sex offenders. the media has us pinned as the bad guys from the get-go in some areas
 
micro-aggression
 
I can't find the video now
sucks.
 
i sense it.
 
it was a good video. people literally were trying to fight the old dude taking the pics
(again, there was no film in the camera so no pics)
 
if(woman.weight < male.weight && isPairInAltercation) /* less appropriate */ else /* some cultures may find it funny */
 
well kinda, but kinda not. see in those situations I am torn. no one should be violent towards anyone in a relationship, to laugh at it is sickening... but on average men are larger and better built than women...
so depending on the situation, it is more often an unfair fight.
but that is pure statistics.
 
had a typo in my logical statement
hah! phew. that could've been bad
 
that's not the point.. most of the arguments towards women suffering from psychological violence (fear from being grabbed, fear from walking alone, etc) is that psychological violence still hurts. Why when men feel it it is no longer relevant?
 
1:45 AM
physical altercation
psycological wasn't mentioned
 
watch the video
 
no.
 
well don't tell me what's in it then...
 
respectfully :)
 
good point, I feel I'm getting warmed up
 
1:47 AM
@FélixGagnon-Grenier yea I'm not advocating violence at all, physical or emotional.. but if you are going to get physical it is unfair to do so with someone unfit to defend themselves. I can't pretend to ignore that in most cases of domestic violence the man is larger than the woman. I'm not trying to make that a point, I'm rather just noting it. My point is that no one should be picking one someone smaller than them or at all.
 
s/of domestic violence/
 
case in point (for me, and I realize what it invokes) I would get violent with a man hitting a women in public, if I saw the opposite I probably would restrain the woman and have my SO call the cops (and hope I don't get arrested for restraining her). I can't bring myself to hit a woman, but I can bring myself to hit a man of equal or larger size.
is it sexist? idk. but it is a distinction.
 
some women would kick both our asses single handedly
 
yup
 
SO doesn't call police. that's for crimes.stackexchange.com
 
1:50 AM
and if she decked me and was my size I might hit back.
but if it were a man I wouldn't question it.
 
and I consider myself pretty good about equality
 
well... that's starting to be close to letting grams grabbing but not gramps isn't it?
sorry. without being a smart ass, you're quite right
 
well no, I don't hold her any less responsible. I'd still call the cops on the dude after hitting him
but it is me showing how society has still somewhat moulded me
 
well.. you might want to do one or the other, not both
that's my legal advice
 
1:52 AM
heh
 
@Luggage honestly, if I saw someone (not just a girl) smaller being beaten and I stepped in and hit the dude, the cops would back me (here).
he could sue, but they would back me
might lose.
 
"hello. police? Yes, i just dished out a heap of street-justice on this punk. come pick him (and not me) up, please."
3
 
"hello dispatch, so I saw some dude hitting someone half his size, so I kicked his ass. Please come get him or us"
sounds better.
 
switch "kicked his ass" with "stopped him" and you are good
the ass-kicking was an implementation detail.
 
1:55 AM
now, with all of this in mind, I am reminded of this video:
 
I don't always agree with bill, but I do always laugh.
he's a funny fuck
 
The quintessential nugget of what makes someone a racist is that person's inability to see the other person without projecting the racist's preconceived stereotypes of that race onto that person. The same applies for other prejudices. What is the modern approach to equality?
 
@Incognito Pffft. Typical white-person thinking...
 
2:09 AM
@Incognito I don't know any human that can remove his or her own preconceptions on people. Neither the more openly racist nor the oh so equalitarian feminist.
All we can do is our best to understand said preconceptions, and compensate for those. The ones that compensate less are not necessarily those we'd first think
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier truth, I don't like obese people.
I don't even give them the chance. personal flaw.
 
It's a human flaw, if it isn't gender, race, age, or one of the things we've grown up with it will become something else like eye colour, sound of your voice, posture, where you grow your hair, what kind of toys you collect in grade school, whatever.
 
then it's not a flaw. it's how we are
 
just because it is inherent doesnt' make it not a flaw
 
hmmm... well.. yeah, I do think so
we inherently have a fifth small feet finger
some people argue it's a flaw because it's of no use (apparently)
 
2:14 AM
@FélixGagnon-Grenier I don't. if we are complacent with mediocrity then we never move forward. it's kinda how we work.
 
Humans aren't without flaw simply because we exist with things that make us stupid.
I don't believe in any a priori of divinity
 
hmmm.. I think I get what you mean, which is not what I meant. It is not desirable
 
what we desire to be is not what we are.
 
I'll agree. Where I do not agree is that we have to not accept it (eg flag it as a flaw)
 
but that is the inherent thing
 
2:16 AM
Okay, we're in the same concept space. I'm not going to discuss what label we put onto it.
 
we always aspire to be more
 
btw @Incognito oh hai !
 
Howdy!
 
All good, how have you been ?
 
Good, I'm starting a new gig soon!
 
2:17 AM
@rlemon Self-hater?
 
And I'm giving a talk tomorrow at a meetup
 
@monners I'm festively plump. obese has an actual body fat percentage definition
 
> festively plump
 
I keep hitting 14% body fat then going on beer+poutine rampages
 
@rlemon What, the your-mom-o-scale?
 
2:19 AM
@Incognito like a startup ?
and what talk, what meetup, what city ? What planet**
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier I'm not actually fat, I was weight training than broke my wrist. go from heavy lifting to nothing over night and you gain like 10-15 lbs.
 
I'm actually starting to think switching to wine instead of beer
 
@monners iirc obese is 40%+
 
way less heavy on the belly
@rlemon I wasn't trying to mess with you!
 
2:20 AM
actually the issue wasn't the break. the issue is the severed ligament that limits my workout today :(
 
@Abhishrek Yes
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier I know but I'm still bummed about it
I got to +225 bench then boom, all taken away.
 
I don't know why I'm being nasty today. First day back at work sucks
 
@Incognito what is it about (if you have a link).
 
little depressing.
 
2:21 AM
I am starting a startup myself :D, and am in states :D
 
@Abhishrek I sent you a link up above to meetup.com
@FélixGagnon-Grenier I started drinking these, I really like them, but they're a bit stronger than most people like. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negroni
 
@Incognito this actually seems relevant of my interests
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier The drink or the meetup?
 
@Incognito @FélixGagnon-Grenier I started making my own mead. it is MUCH lower in calories and you get to enjoy making it yourself.
ranks in at $0.88/750ml (after buying equipment and shit)
 
@Incognito the drink. not that the meetup doesn't seem interesting :)
 
2:25 AM
@rlemon Woah.
 
@rlemon that's actually quite good. my friend has higher cost for a 20l production
 
@Incognito yea, 1.5kg of honey + juice + water + sugar + yeast + time
 
If anyone wants to see the meetup we're going to do it virtually also achievers.webex.com/achievers/… -- you won't get any beer and pizza but you might still enjoy it
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@Incognito oh oh oh i see it :D
 
I have the capacity to do 140L every 2 months.
 
2:26 AM
hey that's actually my tz
 
not that I do that, but I could ;)
 
hey that's actually not far from my place
 
@Incognito oh comon you can order pizza for special people (just kidding, I will hear it on webinar)
 
@rlemon I tried some mead from the LCBO, how does that stack up against yours? Similar?
 
@Incognito no, but that is because I don't know what you tried.
:D
there is VERY many different kinds
 
2:28 AM
@rlemon Oh, they only had like 2 or 3 here in Toronto
 
@Incognito all the bery best for it :D
 
/me feels stupid when I realize mead !== beer
 
but as a staple you can use your favourite fruit juice (canned) and that will turn out allright.
better if you carbonate it
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier If you're ever in Toronto, I co-organize the Symfony meetup if that's your thing (I know it's popular in Montreal).
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier mead === honey wine.
but it actually wine
it is but isn't
 
2:29 AM
@Incognito never went in anything like that. Always in places like NY. But toronto, that's actually doable!
@rlemon hmmm... called hydromel in french I think. a bit sweet, not too heavy yet correctly alcoholed.
seems like a win
 
Ours is really small, actually, you might be more interested in coming down for this fsto.co
or even submit a talk!
 
I.... am not ready for that.
talking, that is
 
Ah
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier it is actually the oldest known 'brewed' alcohol known
and good shit :D
@Incognito I have some batches about to be bottled.
I should give you some
 
@Incognito but that seems not so expensive, I'll actually try and do it
 
2:34 AM
It should be a good conference.
@rlemon Sounds good!
I once tried to culture kefir grains, I was always too weirded out by the result to drink it
Well, I gotta get, cheers everyone!
 
3:18 AM
Hey guys
I'm in a predicament, and hoping someone here can help me out.
I'm working on a very simple web app, and as per the design demands, I want to animate a DOM on a dynamically loaded view AFTER it's loaded.
wait
just answered my own question
LOL
 
but the DOM is a abstract concept. How is it animated?
 
Hey Champs
 

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