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3:00 PM
@BenFortune most people will probably be from continental europe, so...
 
It's a shitty logo I made about 8 years ago
Public transport is expensive mayn
 
sup folks
also, selenium is my favorite
 
@rlemon I don't think that's the kind we'd need.
 
@ssube rlemon is afk: driving to work
 
rlemon, don't lie; you can chat and drive.
 
3:03 PM
A question about makefiles. What's wrong in the following ?
MIAOU_MODULES:=$(MIAOU_MODULE_FILES) | sed '\smiaou\.\(\w+\)\.js\s/ \1 /g'
I get
sed: -e expression #1, char 21: unknown command: `\'
@FlorianMargaine ^
 
sed 's\miaou\.\(\w+\)\.js\s/ \1 /g'
 
oh shit
ok
I erased the command...
so it's
MIAOU_MODULES:=$(MIAOU_MODULE_FILES) | sed 's/\bmiaou\.\(\w+\)\.js\s/ \1 /g'
 
@BenFortune That blog is totally priceless. I wonder where you found it from :D
 
@AwalGarg HN :p
 
nice
> I have 3 rain jackets. They all let rain through.
 
3:07 PM
so they aren't rain jackets
except the "rain" attribute means that they invoke the rain
 
He's hilarious. I've read a few of them before but then forgot about his blog
 
brilliant. insta subscribe :D
 
@dystroy working now?
 
@BenFortune omg, those comments on that post
 
@FlorianMargaine yes (but I have other problems, maybe related to the escaping rules being still alien to me)
 
3:11 PM
A friend of his gets a comment removed, then another let through. Following that, a legitimate spam post gets let through. His response? "LOL. Awesome."
 
@ShotgunNinja hahahaha yea I just noticed.
This made my day.
 
Fuck sake, need to scrap my car.
 
@BenFortune I hear ya. How old is it?
 
Like, 14... lmao
 
as in 2014, or 14 years old?
 
3:14 PM
14 years
It's a clio
 
Mine's a '98 Dodge Intrepid
 
Engine is completely fucked, axel has grinded itself away, brakes don't work
 
It's going to cost at least 4x what it's worth to repair it
 
yikes, dude
Mine's still chugging along nicely, with 95k miles on it
I've had a few $1000+ repairs on it, but it works
 
3:16 PM
I think mine had about 144k
 
@BenFortune renault must be pretty shit if they can't last to 160
 
yeah, that's fucked up
 
I've had it for 3 years, bought it for £400
 
Wait, the Clio is that super tiny car that Renault made?
 
Only put about £300 into it for general repairs
 
3:17 PM
I have a 2015 Honda Fit... so much money....
 
dude, 400 quid is nothing for a vehicle
 
Not mine, but mine's blue and that model
 
ok, that looks halfway decent
^ that's my Sampson
well, a picture of the same model
and color
 
I think I want something bigger
 
if yes, that's my car too (same model & color) :P
 
3:18 PM
pls
 
@FlorianMargaine More like http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NjQwWDEwMjQ=/z/ZncAAOSwm8VU1KVj/$_86.JPG
 
I want it :d
 
Am I like the only Murrikan in here?
 
Did I just find a bug in the image onebox parser?
 
3:19 PM
my other car (the family car) is this one: medias.autonews.fr/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/…
 
@ShotgunNinja yes your car looks so murrikan xD
 
@BenFortune known bug, especially for angular doc urls
 
Hatchbacks are all the rage
 
It's way longer than it should be, and it's so hard to maneuver
 
Lmao, it removes the $
 
3:20 PM
I can fit a lot in there, cargo-wise
 
I wanted a honda
The interior looks so futuristic
 
I'd angle for a Honda Civic or a VW Rabbit if I could afford them.
I'm tired of American cars and their shitty construction.
 
I'm thinking a Golf tbh
Not the new ones, they look so bubbly and ugly
 
Honestly, if I didn't have such family ties here, I'd go expat
The US has so many problems right now
 
That's not very futuristic
 
3:21 PM
@ShotgunNinja The US has built a handful of good cars throughout history. The Ford GT, old Challengers, old Camaros, that sort of thing.
For everything else, buy German.
and not VW
 
I'll take Honda over anything
Reliable and has a decent resale value
 
lol
 
I think my next car is going to be an early-00's Civic
I'm hoping for a low-mileage used Civic with a good history.
 
Hondas may work for a while, but they're miserable to drive. Same with Toyotas and other low-budget cars.
 
get a loan and be poor and get a new one
 
3:23 PM
VW Scirocco's look nice too
 
@ssube I've driven many cars, and I find nothing wrong with my honda
 
Unfortunately I'm limited to US-street-legal vehicles, so I'm stuck as far as German cars are concerned for the most part.
Pretty much the only ones I can find around here (and can afford) are VWs.
 
@Jay Haven't you asked that before?
 
@Jay don't
 
3:26 PM
@ShotgunNinja that's pretty broad, though
 
I'm probably going to take out a car loan for a nice new car once I get some school loans paid off
@ssube True, but I really don't like American-made cars, for the most part.
That narrows the field a bit.
 
@NickDugger as it turns out, a lot of the 'futuristic' HMIs we saw on TV or Comics were not very usable.
 
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@ShotgunNinja I just buy old BMWs
 
@rlemon I thought you were driving...
 
@ssube I'd love a 325
 
3:28 PM
@ShotgunNinja how long do you think that would take?
 
@BenFortune Up until around christmas I had a '89 325ix (e30). Brilliant car. Got it for $1200 on craigslist.
 
@ssube I could do that, but I absolutely hate most BMW drivers around here, and I don't want them thinking I'm one of them.
 
I always find it weird how different American cars look to British/European cars
 
Like, almost everyone here who owns a BMW tailgates, cuts people off, and goes way faster than the speed limit.
@BenFortune Different design philosophies and limitations, mostly.
 
@ShotgunNinja It's not just where you live, I think that's a global thing :p
 
3:30 PM
@rlemon HMI?
Oh, nevermind
 
@BenFortune Oh god. I've also noticed a lot of them are of Persian or Middle Eastern descent...
 
The ones here are just bell-ends in general.
 
Nothing against Persians or Middle Easterners, but I find it oddly common.
 
@BenFortune totally is
BMW drivers drive like dicks
 
Although a fair chunk of them are Asian
I live in one of the most Asian populated cities in the UK, our insurance is one of the highest in the UK
 
3:31 PM
I already drive enough like a dick in my little red sports car
@BenFortune coincidence?
 
I probably told you before but my first year's insurance was about £4.5k
 
holy shit
 
I will say that the one complaint I have about my Honda Fit is the screen interface. It's pretty shit, and is optimized to be hooked up to iOS, not android. I might switch it out for an after-market replacement later
 
My first 6 months' insurance was $700 USD
which is like 450 quid
 
Mine was £600 last year
 
3:33 PM
and I live in a moderately-sized US city
 
After driving for nearly 5 years
 
My insurance is $100 a month
 
I've been driving for 3, had my car stolen once, and I switched my insurance provider to get it knocked down to $400/6 mos
 
so, ~$1200/year
 
Mine's like $800
 
3:34 PM
I have a new car, though
 
ah, yeah. Mine's not insured for much.
KBB value is like $4k for the vehicle total
 
Mine's fully comp
Or was
 
I got Gap insurance, so my car is fully covered
 
mine's basically free insurance
 
Fire, theft and accidental, including contents
 
3:35 PM
my wife insures my car :D
 
lmao
 
Sweet.
 
bum
 
Gonna need to get the peasant wagon for the next few months before I can afford another car
 
@NickDugger jealous
 
3:38 PM
ugh, waiting for a site to bounce
 
Throw it harder
 
in spain it's mandatory to have an insurance :/
 
Isn't it everywhere?
 
insurance or jail
idk xD
 
I wouldn't be so upset if I didn't have to wait on a Win2k CVS box to sync my projects before manually deploying via FTP...
 
3:39 PM
maybe not in africa
 
but like holyshit, our toolset is based in fucking 2003
I swear, I'm gonna leave this company in a year and go work at a downtown startup
 
Someone buy me this, thanks.
 
how many years of experience do you have @ShotgunNinja ?
 
@Neoares Full-time, just over a year; interning, at least three
 
oh, so you are young :)
 
3:42 PM
Yeah, I'm 23
 
wow like me :D
well I'm 22
 
There's so little good software work here
 
22 too, just under 2 years full-time experience
 
I have only 1
how can you have 2 years of experience?
 
It took me 5 years to get my Software Engineering degree
 
3:43 PM
Which includes learning JavaScript, PHP and parts of C#
 
I mean I finished the studies at university last year
 
otherwise I'd have 2 years of full-time exp
 
My only qualifications are for IT support
 
but my last year of schooling I only went part-time and interned the rest of the time.
 
:O
 
3:44 PM
but like, I need to find a company that passes the Joel Test; I have yet to do so.
 
Joel test?
!!wiki joel test
 
Avram Joel Spolsky (born 1965) is a software engineer and writer. He is the author of Joel on Software, a blog on software development, and the creator of the product management software Trello. He was a Program Manager on the Microsoft Excel team between 1991 and 1994. He later founded Fog Creek Software in 2000 and launched the Joel on Software blog. In 2008, he launched the Stack Overflow programmer Q&A site in collaboration with Jeff Atwood. Using the Stack Exchange software product which powers Stack Overflow, the Stack Exchange Network now hosts over 100 Q&A sites. == Biography == Spolsky...
 
22 years old; 2 years of full time contract, 1+ year of full time, and a few freelance projects here and there (one of which was for a university)
 
Joel Spolsky gave a simple 12-question test that determines his metric of quality for software companies.
 
o.o
 
3:46 PM
My current company is between a 5 and 6 on the Joel Test.
Digital Measures looks like a 10 or 11 based on what they posted on Careers.SO.
 
each "yes" is +1?
 
correct
 
heh but my company is an advertising company
 
@ShotgunNinja careers.so allows companies to rate themselves on joel test
 
not software xD
 
3:48 PM
My company makes and sells sheet music.
 
though I developed tons of tools for them, including a CMS :)
 
But we have a big enough software-based product (our Ecommerce sites) to necessitate a bit better tools than what we have.
Most of our tasks are rapid-fire update scenarios or integration of new features and tools onto our existing frameworks.
 
Lmao those flags
 
But having to wait 10 minutes for CVS to synchronize a few JSPs is completely ruining our business model.
 
Lots of people seem to hate Lightness Races in Orbit
 
3:50 PM
@BenFortune Well yeah
have you been to the Lounge lately?
 
@ShotgunNinja Never.
> The story goes that one programmer, who had to write the code to calculate the height of a line of text, simply wrote "return 12;" and waited for the bug report to come in about how his function is not always correct.
Omg
 
Everyone who uses this website should be aware of the Joel Test.
 
I'm the only dev here
 
we hit like 9 on the Joel test
 
Think we're about 7
 
3:51 PM
but 99 on the Jason test so idgaf.
 
Jason test?
 
99 problems but Joel Spolsys test aint one.
/me is Jason, I give it a 99/100 here
 
after working in the gov its hard for a place to suck that bad
 
lok'tar
victory or death!
- Thrall, 1998
 
3:53 PM
Wow... company I currently work for scores a 4/12
 
- Grunt 1994 (Warcraft Orcs & Humans)
 
:)
 
The best part about the test, though, is that it was written in 2000. And companies still don't follow some of the procedures.
 
yeah some of them are no brainers
like source control
 
Now, some of the points of the Joel Test don't apply everywhere, especially the one about hallway usability testing.
 
3:54 PM
I think the test should be more of a point scale, because if you dont use source control thats a huge red flag
even if you hit most of the other points
 
The Lounge, not even once.
 
But, for example, number 1 is vital.
 
@Loktar While I agree, I think the point of the test is to be a s simple as possible
1-12 is a really, really easy scale
 
Number 4 (Do you have a bug database?) isn't something that my work does.
 
my company is a 9
 
3:55 PM
@NickDugger yeha but it was written a while ago, it needs to change as the world does
 
pretty good
 
My company doesn't use anywhere close to modern tools, even though they are free.
 
> Do you do hallway usability testing?
like that.. is that truly that important?
meh.
 
I don't even know what hallway user testing is
 
Does opening issues in Gitlab count as a bugdb? xD
 
3:55 PM
> A hallway usability test is where you grab the next person that passes by in the hallway and force them to try to use the code you just wrote. If you do this to five people, you will learn 95% of what there is to learn about usability problems in your code.
 
my company use dropbox+excel instead of drive
 
@Loktar imho it is
 
@FlorianMargaine eh, or have proper UI people
we have dedicated ui/ux resources
along with user testing
 
My company doesn;t track bugs as bugs, just as a regular task in absolutely shit software; redmine
 
@Loktar yeah it's the same I think
 
3:56 PM
dedicated user testing, not pull random x users away from their work
 
redmine is fine
 
Our PM tests
redmine is garbage
 
@BenFortune That kinda counts; issue tracking is close to bug tracking, but issues are more time-based; bugs can be known and in the system waiting to be resolved, but issues generally are opened with the goal of a quick resolution.
 
@NickDugger We use plan.io, which is based on redmine
 
3:57 PM
And gitlab
 
I use red(stone) ore.
 
@NickDugger can't help if you don't know how to use it
 
@FlorianMargaine I know how to use it, and it's not even as useful as trello would be
 
I'll admit that this test is more applicable to developers working on a large software project than it is for developers working on website or software maintenance, but still.
All of these things can help if applied at the right level for your company and product.
 
@NickDugger Trello +1
we use that for our delpoyments
only thing trello lacks is a chat function
 
3:58 PM
Trello isn't even that good, but it's so much better than redmine
 
Is it possible to check if a user can access a Collection.allow / Collection.deny without some kind of try/catch in mongo/meteor?
 
I use Trello for reminding myself what I'm doing from day to day because my memory is shit.
 
@NickDugger ZenHub is pretty nice
 
and for making deployment file checklists, because we don't have an automatic deployment tool.
 
@ShotgunNinja yeah for our deployments we have our buckets, things get moved over as they are deployed, then tested
its definitely cool for keeping track of thigns
however we track tasks/bugs/ect. via VSO
 
3:59 PM
Well, keep in mind the Joel behind the Joel Test actually wrote Trello.
 
babel require hook - why you so slow to parse 8kloc :(
 

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