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4:00 PM
My company's biggest failing point is number 2 (Can you make a build in one step?)
 
@AwalGarg transpiling on import is always obscenely slow
 
Gulp ftw
 
precompile
 
webpack ftw-er!
webpack caches the packages and only rebuilds what it needs to making builds even faster.
 
4:01 PM
@Loktar tw babel s
 
For our flagship website (ie. companyname.com), we have no build script. We run java EE, and we can't even build a JAR for our main freaking site.
 
@AwalGarg total war babel s?
 
@Loktar that's what babel said
 
I use the babel loader with webpack
 
Our builds and deployments are so complicated, we have a trophy we give to new employees who mess up builds.
 
4:02 PM
oooh :P
 
@ShotgunNinja eww nasty, sounds like you need a bit of @ssube in your life
 
other than "write a utility function"
 
Webpack has nonexistent documentation; couldn't figure out how to use it. I use babel + browserify instead
 
We actually depend on peer humiliation to force people to do things right, instead of making time to fix our build/deploy process.
 
4:02 PM
@NickDugger they have a whole website dedicated to documentation
but Ill agree it isn't amazing (the documentation) I had to read a few repos configs
 
@Loktar must be a recent thing
 
@ShotgunNinja so, I hear you guys need a build engineer?
 
We once hired a contractor to fill in an empty chair in our department; he installed IntelliJ, wrote unit tests for everything he developed, and started working on scripts to automate deployment and testing. My boss fired him.
 
I do, sometimes, have issues with gulp-browserify, though. Sometimes it leaves out modules, so I always make sure to run the build task twice; seems to fix it
 
That's about when I decided that I wasn't going to stay here very long.
 
4:04 PM
Fired him for improving the process? Strange
 
Right?
 
Contractors that try to change process are incredibly annoying.
"Oh, you'll be here for 3-6 months and you think we should revise everything we do? You can fuck right off, then."
 
We have so much technical debt buildup, we're starting a year-long project soon to update a code body that hasn't been looked at for refactoring since 2003.
@ssube It'd be different if everyone else on the team didn't agree with him.
 
oh github you so nice you even let me change my username with a little warning unlike most other crappy services
 
@ssube To be fair, deployment automation and unit tests are a good thing
 
4:05 PM
But we have so much maintenance work to do, and it takes so long to do it, we can't justify setting aside the time to make process improvements.
 
@NickDugger yes, but having a contractor implement them typically means they'll be done wrong. Especially if it's a contractor who wants to implement them.
 
We just got rid of two websites we were running, also.
 
@rlemon i am not a master of coanvas but very true
 
They're going to set up a build process for how they like to build things, not for the stuff you actually need to build.
 
@ssube I don't think that statement holds value
 
4:06 PM
@ssube Well, that's why I'm building a test mantle myself.
 
Most release engineering consultants have this absurd model of how things should be and will go to great lengths to enforce that.
 
and if I get fired for "wasting time" on it, then I have another job I'm looking at, and a solid resume.
 
It's usually unrelated to how things actually work.
 
Yeah, that's understandable. But after working here for two-plus years, it bothers me.
Nothing is being done about it, for all the complaints I've registered.
 
We had a huge problem with that here, where a consultant came in for 6 months, wrote a 4kloc bash script that built a lot of stuff we didn't use, then was fired when mgmt found out he was wasting tons of money.
 
4:08 PM
Our process is noticeably bottlenecked around our build/deploy procedure.
 
The now-director of ops and I took 3 months, rewrote it all for what we actually do, and it's been working fine for the last two years.
 
Time and money are being wasted by our lead developers taking several days just to do a couple of project merges.
 
Plus we set up CI and all the build scripts are in git and devs can contribute to them now.
For like $5k/year in licensing, you can get gitlab and teamcity set up and have CI across gulp, maven, and rpm. We push and 10 minutes later can yum install
 
I am completely convinced that Githubâ„¢®© has the bestest user management ever compared any other service whatsoever.
 
I feel that we could benefit dramatically from a CI tool and a better core repository.
 
4:10 PM
that 5k is because we need like 200 seats in gitlab and have 20 build agents, too
 
There's not a lot we feel that we need to write unit tests for, since many of our projects are cosmetic updates to websites, but we also have a few aging public APIs, and many of those don't have unit tests.
We've had a few high-impact breakages after changing around our data model just in the past year.
Our boss is a former Oracle DBA, and our lead developer is primarily self-taught and far more comfortable working on frontend changes, and instead is SME and manages most of the coding in the backend.
We use Struts 1 for our main Web framework; it reached EOL since I started working here.
We're one of the few companies I know of, despite being as small as we are might still benefit from an ORM due to how often our model changes.
I'd be fine if we just switched over our repo to something a bit more modern, like Subversion, but if we make no changes in the next two years, I'm out.
/rant
 
jsfiddle.net/rlemon/mfdafg6s cc @darkyen00 well I wrote the utility function
but damn is it ever ugly.
 
@ShotgunNinja which VCS are you using?
 
Math.Tau = Math.PI * 2; // because fuck you Kendall, that's why.
 
@rlemon how about writing an abstraction over canvas
which calls the close and begin path automatically when you draw / change color or something ?
 
4:18 PM
@NickDugger (@rlemon) Math.TAU, it's a constant
 
!!> Math.TAU
 
@darkyen00 "undefined"
 
!!> Math.Tau
 
@darkyen00 "undefined"
 
@Zirak my bad
 
4:19 PM
!!> Math.Yourself
 
@NickDugger "undefined"
 
making constants allcaps is a stupid standard
 
@FlorianMargaine I bet they're using CVS.
Or even worse, CSV: when you keep your code in an excel spreadsheet
 
!!afk
 
!!> Math.PI
 
4:23 PM
@darkyen00 3.141592653589793
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum What!? Uh, no no, that's ignorance, there's no Spy Zirak
 
writing userscripts for any google service is a pain :(
 
... I JUST now got to work
And I only left the house 30 minutes late
Trains were so delayed my ass hurts from sitting too much
 
ADG
Help understanding js.
 
It wasn't due to sitting so long, it's what you sat on
 
4:25 PM
@SterlingArcher it's 6pm here, so I'll need more context
 
user2620028
@sterling i just now woke up..... lol how much time did you waste on a train?
 
ADG
I know java and c++. and I need to crack this pseudocode [puzzle] with python js java and c++:
> String[] pre to new Preamble[] with void, establish & perform:
use package (alphabet) as al
use package (keyboard) as qwerty
return [answer(),getChar()]

String[] answer to new Function[] with x as parameter, perform:
rename x to ca
set ca to new String[]
~ w/ ca to al.upper[3] & al.lower[indices(3,5,19,5,18)]
set ci to new String[]
~ w/ ci to al.upper[9] & al.lower[indices(13,16,15,19,19,9,2,12,5)]
set ac to new Int[ca.length]
set ic to new Int[ci.length]
return ca if ac < ic else ci

Char[] getChar to new Function[] with void, perform:
 
inb4 bin
 
what
 
@FlorianMargaine got to the train stop at around 10:30 (usually get there around 9:30 but I stayed home for maintenance man), and the train only takes 45 minutes usually, took 2 hours today
 
ADG
4:26 PM
bye then
 
@Zirak we should invite that guy here :D
 
so it's lunch time for you?
 
In 30 yup. So I'm going to go out for lunch because hungry and stay late to make sure the trains are fixed
 
@SomeGuy That's really cool! I spent a few minutes making catapults and shit
 
@Zirak how do you play?
 
4:29 PM
You just move stuff around
 
mouse or keyboard has no effect
 
Press on one of the components and then drag
 
ah yeah, hadn't tried drag
 
With your mousing interface. The giant circles.
 
4:33 PM
@Neoares I get him. Software is terrible.
Not just web though, most software I come in contact with is terrible. There hasn't been a week over the past few years when I didn't think that I should quit software and become a gardener or a bench.
 
> or a bench
Lol'd on a bus now people are staring
 
Besides being peed and fornicated on (occasionally at the same time), it's not a bad life.
 
#BusLyfe
 
@BenFortune Start emitting high pitched noises while seemingly scanning your surrounding.
 
user2620028
@Zirak where do i sign up for that job?
 
4:37 PM
Or do those robot noises JP makes in Grandmas Boy
 
user2620028
I worked in state government so i have the resume for it :P
 
@HatterisMad Just hang out in a park for some time, maybe put a nice cushion on your belly.
There's no Department of Benches
 
user2620028
Damn the luck
 
Weeelll, there's the Bench Confederacy, but it's at a state of internal struggle, some branched out to the United Federate Alliance of Sitting Devices
 
user2620028
@Zirak would you say that no one has claimed the seat of power?
 
4:48 PM
@HatterisMad People are constantly falling between two stools
 
user2620028
Hmm i don't get that one
 
@Zirak Breen Confederacy ?
 
Verb: fall between two stools
  1. (idiomatic, of tasks, issues, problems) To fit into neither of two categories and, hence, be neglected or fail.
  2. 1910, Sydney Humphries, Oriental Carpets, Runners and Rugs and Some Jacquard Reproductions, READ BOOKS (2010), ISBN 9781408694404, page 22:
  3. 1929, Charles Howard Ellis, The Origin, Structure & Working of the League of Nations, The Lawbook Exchange, Ltd. (2004), ISBN 978-1-58477-320-7, page 153:
  4. 2003, Chris Jones, The Guerilla[sic] Film Makers Movie Blueprint, Continuum International Publishing Group, ISBN 978-0-8264-1453-3, page 21:
 
lmfao
 
user2620028
Wow thats an old one isnt it
 
4:51 PM
Well, @Zirak is old.
 
http://www.commitstrip.com/en/2015/05/11/i-had-a-dream/
CommitStrip - Blog relating the daily life of web agencies developers
I had a dream
CommitStrip
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@HatterisMad You can be on the bench waiting for them
 
user2620028
@Zirak you are going to be trying to think of bench puns for the next half hour at least aren't you
 
In this mental bench-press, only one will rise victorious. And smelling faintly of pine.
 
@HatterisMad You bench your ass he is.
 
user2620028
4:56 PM
So i want to share this story from yesterday with the room
 
HOLY FUCK .ME has gone pricy
 
user2620028
I was taking the final for my last computer science course for college and all of a sudden chrome stopped responding to user input (in the tab that the test was in only) i looked into the problem and found tons of javascript errors in the console. I messaged my professor and he said since the javascript executed client side that it wasnt his problem and that my javascript configuration was to blame and i would have to take a 0 for my final.
 
Morning
 
user2620028
morning kitty
 
@HatterisMad You know what I think? You need to finally take the driver's seat in your life.
 
user2620028
4:59 PM
@zirak ?
 
user2620028
@zirak i drive professional race cars as a hobby..... related?
 
@darkyen00 £12 for 2 years is pricey? :s
 
user2620028
@zirak no i am going to get to retake the final. I called his boss (my professor refused to talk to me about it) and told him that i was going to stick appeals so far up his ass ..... So i get to take the test again later today...
 
@BenFortune i bought my domain at 300 Rupees / year indian
now its 4x of tht
 
@HatterisMad you can't do something professional as a hobby
 
user2620028
5:02 PM
@ssube really you can't? shit i better stop having sex then
 
@darkyen00 yeah, well, there's a difference between buying a link and buying from link
@HatterisMad you have professional sex? like, with a secretary?
 
user2620028
@ssube no but i am aware of several professions that have professional sex
 
"Let's keep it simple, ma'am. We're both professionals here."
"You do the spanking today."
"Agreed."
"If you just sign Clause 847 requiring at least 10 minutes of foreplay..."
"Of course."
 
@Zirak Going to use that line next time
I mean...
 
@HatterisMad You should've known better than to mess around with your javascript configuration
 
5:05 PM
New Rules : whoever makes a new api on windows needs to understand not to make 2 api's which do the same task and document the harder one
 
user2620028
@zirak yeah i know..... having a modern browser makes the testing website break
 
with completely forgetting the easier guy. It kills people
 
@darkyen00 What? You don't like Win32RemotelyDoObscureThing and Win32RemotelyDoObscureThingEx, each accepting 10 structs with 700 NULLs?
 
Who is unstarring things and shuffling the starboard? jesus christ
when I find you...
 
posted on May 11, 2015 by Alex R. Young

ngPromiseStatus ngPromiseStatus (GitHub: BarakChamo/ng-promise-status, License: MIT, npm: ng-promise-status) by Barak Chamo is a collection of promise-aware Angular directives that make it easy to bind UI elements to the outcome of promises. This could be a button that takes an unspecified amount of time to run, that will eventually display

 
5:11 PM
@Zirak well for one there is RFComm and Proximity PeerFinder in windows
PeerFinder will work just file if you do PeerFinder.allowBluetooth = true; and will find you peers just fine !
but no they mention that you must use RFComm instead
on top of PeerFinder documentation
and RFComm hasn't worked at-all for me, not even the microsoft given demo on 2 microsoft given phones -_-
 
user1596138
Atfernoon
3
 
user1596138
First day of work is cool
 
@Jhawins Congrats.
 
user1596138
Why are you starring that..?
 
Atfernoon
most likely
 
5:17 PM
@Jhawins How's Bossktar?
 
user1596138
I can see @Loktar's sexy face from right now
 
Punch him
 
Wait so you are working with Loktar now :O, double congrats
 
user1596138
Then he won't take me to Bdubs!
 
hahah
 
5:18 PM
hell yeah, lady friend agreed to draw a pinup for pizzaslut.space
 
lol yeah I have to pay for everyone and get reimbursed lol
told my wife shes like wtf bro
 
user1596138
lol oh that's what he meant by expense it?
 
haha yea
lol weird as hell having @Jhawins like one seat away irl
 
@AwalGarg @SomeGuy ^ see that
 
@rlemon dude yeah.. idk about that fiddle, thats how you have to do it
really verbose and annoying I agree
 
5:21 PM
okay
why is my background filling with the stroke color? line 37ish
 
happy monday everybody!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
@rlemon i was ...
 
user1596138
@Loktar lol it's so much less awkward than I expected though forrealz
 
Does anyone know how to capture the state of a component (from its parent), unmount that component, then remount that component with the state that it had before being unmounted?
 
yeah for srue
 
NERDS!
1 desk away, talking on SO
 
user1596138
I'm just like hey dude what do I do with this thingy
 
@darkyen00 I want a tail.
 
user1596138
We are caddy corner, actually. So it's pretty justified
 
so, who is going to be the first to bring in the marshmellow gun
 
5:24 PM
@darkyen00 see what?
 
I chat to a co-worker on Jabber all the time and he's 3 feet away from me
 
@rlemon something to do with shadowcolor
 
I wanna see the so message : I SWEAR TO GOD J IF YOU HIT ME WITH ONE MORE MINI MARSHMELLOW IM GOING TO MUTE-KICK YOU!
 
^
shadow is doing it.
shading the entire canvas
 
really?
stupid
 
user1596138
> Math.Tau = Math.PI * 2; // because fuck you Kendall, that's why.
 
Not entirely sure what shadowColor does, exactly
 
shadow blur was doing it
I can set shadowColor but with 0 blur its fine
 
5:28 PM
@FlorianMargaine CVS on an old Win2k beige box
 
@rlemon thats expected behaviour
 
^
 
@Jhawins (@rlemon) Math.TAU because it's a constant
 
you're filling before your shadow
so your shadow is overriding your fill
 
I wish I could be joking about that, too.
 
5:29 PM
and you can't see the blur since its the entire canvas
 
@darkyen00 which is silly imo. they should distinguish between fill shadow and line shadow
 
We actually have a box running Win2k
 
make the fill rect 0,0,10,10 for example and the blur is fine
/me heads to lunch
 
I like win2k
It's the last Windows OS I liked.... maybe 10 will be ok. It looks pretty good
 
meh, same shit as 7, worse icons, cmd doesn't suck as much.
 
5:30 PM
@Zirak + annoying animations which no one asked for
 
I might try Windows 10 on a raspberry pi
 
I like Win7, though I agree that since Win2k, it just seemed like there was so much unnecessary clutter in Windows.
 
@AwalGarg hwat?
 
@rlemon Granted
 
@SomeKittens remote work :D
 
5:31 PM
win2k was lean
 
win 8k is ape
win 10k is going to be neinderthal
 
TopTal is a joke
 
@SomeKittens How so?
 
@SomeKittens you have worked with them? how is it?
I am thinking of applying because I want to do the screening process. Although I know I won't be selected.
 
The screening process isn't effective
 
5:34 PM
What happens in it?
 
@MadaraUchiha I hate to ask this, but can you PR against Petka's and I'll merge -_-?
 
@SomeKittens It lets incompetent programmers in or competent programmers out?
 
or both?
If it is the former, I have a chance to get in :P
 
@copy There are several steps that don't actually differentiate between the two.
trying to find the list
 
I've seen them, they're ok
 
5:36 PM
@AwalGarg try it
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Hi Benjamin, I updated my question about redis
 
@robe007 Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room pseudo-rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
@robe007 sorry, but who are you again?
Oh yeah
You're not chaining your promises @robe007 you need to chain them so they'd wait for eachother.
Check the examples at the docs
 
@darkyen00 okey dokey
 
QaPla'
 
5:38 PM
@copy Right, they're yet another dev shop
all this "Hire the best" is flimflammery
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Can you please post an answer with an example of my code?
 
@copy you mean you have been through the screening process?
or you have hired from toptal?
 
@AwalGarg I'm with someone who has been
 
@robe007 read the tutorial
 
Everyone claims to hire the best
 
5:39 PM
@SomeKittens , Hey, how to specify default argument values in node-commander ?
 
@SomeKittens Oh, that. Agreed, but besides that?
 
@copy ah, is it actually better than other freelancing websites (from a dev's pov) or not?
 
@AwalGarg try it
 
@SomeKittens Companies seem to like it
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Thanks, the only problem I have is that now i can save in my DB, but not all the array, it only saves me the last one
 
5:40 PM
Right, and you need to chain your promises.
 
@darkyen00 incorrect answer. Go stand in the corner :P
 
@AwalGarg I think it's good. No comparison with other freelancing websites though
 
@black-perl oh snap! I've been hunted down
 
@SomeKittens, yeah ! you are :-)
 
@black-perl oh hey. which year in IIT?
 
5:42 PM
Please tell me node-commander is a Midnight Commander-like file explorer...
 
@AwalGarg, going to final one ..
 
oh. Lame.
 
@AwalGarg, Well I forgot to say Hi !
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum You mean with 'then()' ?
 
@copy I can't comment on the work but the sneaky marketing makes me ill.
 
5:43 PM
@black-perl hi!
!!stat black-perl
 
@AwalGarg black-perl (http://stackoverflow.com/users/2679770/black-perl) has 485 reputation, earned 0 rep today, asked 30 questions, gave 13 answers, for a q:a ratio of 30:13.
avg. rep/post: 11.27. Badges: 0g 2s 17b
 
@rlemon you forgot to remove the shadow :P jsfiddle.net/u5krt9pb/5
 
@AwalGarg, Hi ! again
 
@black-perl Which IIT ?
 
@darkyen00, IIT BHU, Varanasi
 
5:44 PM
@robe007 yes.
 
also: I never imagined a time where the Great Lemon would ask me for help on code in general, let alone canvas :D
oh, loktar already answered -_-
 
wahoo 296 more rep
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Ok, I'll try
 
@SomeKittens, Can you help ?
 
@black-perl yeah, one sec
 
@SomeKittens, Sure.
 
@darkyen00 THE IIT. THE ONE.
 
@AwalGarg my friends dropped out of ONE :P
they felt it was waste of space and time... and they were in KGP
 
@black-perl .option('-c, --cheese [type]', 'Add the specified type of cheese [marble]', 'marble')
program.cheese will default to 'marble'
 
@AwalGarg @darkyen00 .. I felt it too on daily basis
 
5:46 PM
@darkyen00 good thinking
 
@SomeKittens, giiving it a try !
 
I wish they shut down IITs altogether.
 
I wish they were assimilated by the borg, well i feel so for all humanity.
 
@AwalGarg , @darkyen00 It's not that bad here at IIT's
 
@black-perl I know :P I have a friend who graduated from your college too :-)
 
5:48 PM
@black-perl but it is better outside.
 
@darkyen00, Depends on what you do here
 
@towc you're late, but thanks :D
 
@AwalGarg, @darkyen00 I started programming two years back with 0 knowledge of computers. I have learnt a lot here. I should say a hell lot.
@SomeKittens , program
	.version('0.0.1')
	.option('-d,--maxDepth <n>','Maximum recursion depth',parseInt,100)
	.option('-e,--enum','List only enumerable properties')
	.option('-u,--nenum','List only non-enumerable properties')
	.option('-a,--arrstyle','Display the result as array')
	.parse(process.argv)
 
Because 2 years is a lot of time.
A hell lot.
 
@SomeKittens, node test.js -d 50 -e -u -a
@SomeKittens d becoming NaN
 
@AwalGarg, Yeah maybe but I am a non CS guy with zero CS courses
 
Technically, Gehenna was a garbage lot which people used as a metaphor for hell
 
@black-perl thats nice.
I belong to a terrible college, and know very less about computers.
 
I belong to a college called "" and know "" about computers.
 
@darkyen00, apart from this I have learnt enough here to be a one time GSoCer , pycon india speaker and Google Cloud dev finalist.. I guess the culture matters the most, not the college.
@AwalGarg @darkyen00 but u guys rocks !! , awesome reputation.
 
5:57 PM
@black-perl you spoke at pycon india? That's very nice :) What did you speak about?
 
@black-perl Please read the examples in the docs
 
@SomeKittens, reading them ;-)
@AwalGarg, ycon.org/funnel/2014/208-python-the-eyes-of-real-world-computer-applications
 
Has anybody played with Angular-Meteor yet? It's pretty cool
 
@AwalGarg , put a "p"
 
For the love of everyone who writes FOSS, please read the docs (and open issues) first...
 
5:59 PM
you want people to read their own documentation?
 
@taco .. yeah !
 
@black-perl in.pycon.org/funnel/2014/… you mean? nice
 

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