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2:00 PM
Are you seeking alternatives or...?
 
@ircmaxell In short, it's hard to optimize JS because it's mostly runtime.
 
Nah, I'm just trying to figure out how to deliver the code to the user; currently I have one file that includes all of the modules, stores them in an object as a global variable. Doesn't sound like the best way to do it, but I don;t know how else.
 
And there's a perfect solution for that, obviously.
 
@NickDugger Well, like I said, your code can detect whether or not there's always a module loader (like CommonJS or AMD) in place, and act accordingly.
 
yeah, that's what I'll do
 
2:05 PM
If there's no module loader, you have no choice but to use a global namespace variable.
 
@BartekBanachewicz well, I found it interesting less from the "optimize" part, and more fromt he implementation details
 
@ircmaxell I dunno, it sounds to me like an interesting experiment and mental exercise... but ultimately it's still a toy compared to a compiler that actually knows the types of arguments.
 
@ircmaxell just looking at the url, is it talking about the fact that always passing the same kind of object helps? Because he can then easily transform the object into basically a struct. He maybe also talks about the max number of properties (14, iirc).
 
@FlorianMargaine read the bloody article first
 
2:08 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I wouldn't use "toy" in that context, but would agree with experiment and mental excersize
 
seems to be it
 
@ircmaxell point being, in the end it's still guessing. More or less intelligent, but still guessing. If you can guarantee that the program, say, will always produce an object with that field for a particular function call, you don't have to do all that.
it just becomes pointer addition.
or, even better, you can fastcall the whole thing and then it gets pretty much unbeatable.
so all in all, I don't think this extraordinary effort is worth it in the end
 
@BartekBanachewicz Oh, I think implementing functionality based on that is a micro-optimization and should be avoided at all costs (until proven necessary). But on the other hand, realizing what's happening under the hood is a good thing. As a pure educational experience
 
fair enough.
ohhm, I've just realized it's from the same guy who wrote that famous Asm.js critique
that explains things.
 
Anyone know of any good AngularJS tutorials on YouTube or similar site? I've seen Codeschool, but I find the information too limited. I want more :D
 
2:15 PM
@AlexanderJohansen Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room pseudo-rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
Ironically, rereading his writing
> OdinMonkey is a hammer that will kill incentive to optimize JavaScript that humans write.

Why waste time optimizing normal, dynamic, fluid like water JavaScript if you can just ask people that they write something more structured and easier for compiler to recognize?
 
woo, got my new domain, thanks again @rlemon freyed.ca
now I need something to put on it
 
> I can clearly see ways to generate C++ quality native code without actually relying on AOT or static typing.
which never happened. He just sees the way.
 
@BartekBanachewicz you can comment on his blog to have an interesting discussion
 
most of what I wanted to say already appeared there
he basically politely disagrees.
I can't prove that he won't make JS as fast and efficient as native languages, so I suppose he's entitled to his own opinion on that.
My opinion remains the same, as in it's impossible for JS to be as good as statically typed, AOT-compiled languages
Especially if we talk real-world, readable, idiomatic code.
 
Let's just use c++ in the browser
 
@ircmaxell lol, I'm going to make so many people read that :D
Namely, I'm assigning this to 4 people to read until Sunday
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum mosho included?
@NickDugger it doesn't allow you to act on webpages though
 
@FlorianMargaine No, the NumJS group. @Mosho can read it but it's not what he's working on atm - he's doing frontend mostly right now.
 
2:35 PM
k
 
Isn't there a typo in this example ?
 
function ff(b, o) {
  if (b) {
    return o.x
  } else {
    return o.x
  }
}
 
@NickDugger why not vOv. Let everyone use the language they want.
 
2:36 PM
I don't see the typo...
 
@FlorianMargaine related to context in the doc, I think it should be o.y in second case
 
@FlorianMargaine this is fun
 
Not every language should work everywhere; that would be a bit bizarre
 
but I suppose people forget that the parentheses in Lisp nest. Several levels deep. Commonly
@NickDugger why?
 
2:37 PM
@dystroy are you sure of that?
 
we would have machines that ran on php
 
define "run on"
 
We already have multiple languages compiling to LLVM IR
 
Parentheses in lisp are really not that big of a deal - when I learned clojure it's not the part that bothered me - then again they have -> notation.
@BartekBanachewicz LLVM is suboptimal for a lot of things to say the least. It was designed with languages like C and swift in mind.
 
2:38 PM
@BartekBanachewicz and indentation helps...
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum No, I'm not sure what's the point of that exercise
 
@FlorianMargaine I still prefer function call without the parens
 
> The intent of this snippet was to demonstrate that two different o.x access sites are not connected with one another - which allows both of them to stay monomorphic even though we call ff with objects of different shapes.
 
less noise.
 
in haskell, it works because of lazy evaluation
 
2:39 PM
@dystroy From the comments - it's how I understood it too. They are the same to the outside but represent different things.
 
@FlorianMargaine it's not related to lazy evaluation
Idris uses that syntax too.
 
how do you differentiate between passing a function reference and passing a function returned value then?
 
@FlorianMargaine excuse me? by type required?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum ok, it would probably had been more didactic without an exercise then
 
@BartekBanachewicz so the compiler will just guess if the function requires a function pointer, then take the function, if it takes the return type of the function, call the function and pass its returned value?
 
2:41 PM
it's not guessing at any point
most importantly, you don't call functions in haskell in a traditional sense
 
@dystroy a comment would be nice
 
What's the right term, then?
 
lazy evaluation just means it can delay the computation of the values produced. In eager evaluation it will evaluated the functions at once.
 
I lazy evaluate the dishes.
 
Lazy evaluation is confusing and should generally be avoided when you can get away with avoiding it IMO.
The problem is lazy evaluation is so useful that often it can't be avoided.
 
2:44 PM
hi hi hi
it's just very natural
 
it's not confusing. Imagine you have a function to compute a value. You oly call it IF you need it. Like if the user goes to a certain tab.
 
@BartekBanachewicz yes, that's what I meant when I said "it works because of lazy evaluation".
 
That's all it is
 
It's not, it's considered one of the most confusing things in C# for example.
 
Speaking of lazy
 
2:44 PM
@FlorianMargaine I don't see a reason why that syntax shouldn't work if it was eagerly evaluated, again.
 
@ComicSansMSLover lol, typical lazy SE user attitude in a nutshell — Bartek Banachewicz 14 mins ago
 
c# has way more complex things.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum but then again C# isn't actually nearly as advanced as Haskell
 
@BoltClock no.
 
I beg to differ. c# is quite advanced. It's not a true functional language, though
 
2:45 PM
arr.map(foo); // what's returned if you don't have a syntax for function calling
function foo() {
    return function() {
    };
}
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Are you saying no at the OP's username, or Bartek's comment, or my interruption
 
@BartekBanachewicz you know... a lot of the same people worked on C# and Haskell and those people generally say that C# is a better general purpose language and that Haskell is interesting but not really nearly as useful :P Just saying.
@BoltClock no, I just mispinged you - your part is funny :D
 
crl
!!> [ [1,1], [1,2]].indexOf([1,1])
 
@crl -1
 
@BoltClock the 3.
go home, css lover
 
crl
2:46 PM
^ any simple idea to make this work?
 
C# amazes me that you can write it like c somtimes (pointers, structs arracged how you need) and then like a functional lalnguage other times.
 
@Luggage conceptually lazy evaluation is more confusing than the altenratives. It just opens a mental model that is not available without it and is very useful - like taking the first 100 natural numbers.
 
@crl yes, use ES6 Map (oh shit, "work")
 
@Luggage C# is great at being jack of all trades master of none - that's what makes it a useful language.
 
@dystroy won't work with es6 maps either
 
crl
2:47 PM
@dystroy nice hehe, but I'll make it work in a browser
 
@FlorianMargaine yes
@crl comparison (you might be lazy and use JSON.stringify)?
 
he's not passing the same array
 
Master of some, definitely not all.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Everyone's entitled to their opinion.
 
I'm a c# fan, if you couldn't tell. I'm really excited about the recent open sourcing and all.
 
2:48 PM
@BartekBanachewicz that's true I guess.
 
@Luggage @Ben My friend working on potato-empires with me is a quite experienced C# developer. Once he started working with Haskell he told me he realized how much C# is actually missing.
 
perhaps. I don't know haskell and can't defend against that statement.
 
probably if you have a large team of people that are used to traditional development it makes sense from a business standpoint to use C#
 
@BartekBanachewicz oh I completely agree - C# is a jack of all trades master of none - that's what I just said above. It's acceptable for all things but it's not really good at anything.
 
heck, for the same reasons it makes sense to use PHP over C#
 
2:50 PM
Hello :D
I'm making a card matching game for fun. I can't get jQuery to insert images into table cells. Does anyone see anything wrong with this?

$('#gameTable').find('tr').eq(row).append('<td><img src="cards/' + cards[i] + '.png" /></td>');

The game: http://104.236.170.147/
 
OK, now you lost me.
 
But that doesn't make Haskell any less useful as a language.
It's still as fast, as usable, as expressive and safe with IO, side effects, whatever
 
@BartekBanachewicz I can't argue Haskell is not a useful language since I use it. There are just lots of things I wouldn't use it for.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum The latter is true for every language I use for me :)
 
c#'s features with java's portability would kill.
 
2:51 PM
@Luggage soon...
 
MS's #1 mistake. not fighting java in all their territories.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I don't really think we disagree here.
 
@AshneilRoy the fact that you create DOM elements this way is for me totaly wrong, yeah.
 
yea. i'm hoping
 
crl
!!> var a=[ [1,1], [1,2]], p=[1,1]; a.filter(function(_p){return !(_p[0]==p[0]&&_p[1]==p[1])}) .length
 
2:52 PM
@crl "ReferenceError: assignment to undeclared variable p"
 
And to be fair, Haskell on the frontend could be interesting - I just find state machines easier to reason about but harder to debug.
 
@crl "ReferenceError: assignment to undeclared variable a"
@crl 1
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Projects like stackage help a lot anyway. It's a strong current of making Haskell usable with less friction
 
since someone brought up state machines.. Either of you know a good one in JS?
 
And you have a [i] so I imagine you are in a loop... so you should cache $('#gameTable').find('tr').eq(row)
 
2:53 PM
@dievardump How should I do it? Thanks!
 
yea, i could write a simple one for my needs, but i'd rather use a library fo rit if there is one
 
@Luggage a function is a state machine that always exits through the same state in JS and gets input from the closure and the input params. A generator is a function that can exit from multiple nodes in JS.
 
ok, not helpful, but thanks.
 
2:54 PM
Also JS community is getting all hyped over stuff like promises and FRP and whatnot
 
@BartekBanachewicz that's just me, not the general community but yeah.
 
where Haskell is a) much better suited for that style of programming b) has been used for that for way longer
 
@BartekBanachewicz nah, promises are has been, coroutines are da beast
 
Specifically persistable state machines. Load an entirty form the DB, be able to ask " what transations are valid", etc.
 
@BartekBanachewicz the advantage of JS is that it lets you mix and match - that's the reason people don't like Haskell but like Scala and C#.
@Luggage I know a Python library that does this but no JS one. It's just a graph and a pointer usually.
 
2:55 PM
@Luggage there are couple ones...
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Cat once said that "Haskell is a better imperative language than other imperative languages"
 
yea. it's not complex. i may end up jsut hand rolling it
 
and he really had a point there.
it's not like do notation is a functional primitive
 
@BartekBanachewicz Cat is mostly a big mouth, I tend to respect the programmers in the PHP room more than the programmers in the C++ room except for a few like Robot who are way up there.
@BartekBanachewicz I totally get your point though - I think making functional languages look imperative is very valuable and do is super useful, especially to new programmers.
 
and no respect for developers in the js room
I mean, they use js, duh
 
2:58 PM
@FlorianMargaine Remember any names you have used / liked? I looked at machina (no persistence, MGIHT be able to add it)
 
There's not many languages like Epigram that are actually a dead end vOv
 
@FlorianMargaine idiots, especially that benjamin guy.
 
Why is this room called JavaScript? I thought it was about C# and Haskell
 
it's always about Haskell when I'm around
 
just foudn something called 'steelbreeze' that didn't turn up in earlier searches
 
3:00 PM
@Luggage haven't used any, but a google search turned up relevant results quickly
I've always hand rolled mines...
@BenjaminGruenbaum this guy is the worst. A smartass.
 
i find results, but mostly they are non-persistable.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum it's not just "looking imperative" :)
 
@Luggage ah, didn't search that
 
or, there's no observable difference between "looking imperative" and imperative
 
do { foo; bar } will always run foo before bar?
 
3:02 PM
rolling my own isn't the end of the world, I was just hoping to have that problem solved with an npm install (i'm lazy).
 
@FlorianMargaine only when there's a data dependency between foo and bar
 
@Luggage yeah I'd totally do the same
 
I get the feeling @BartekBanachewicz types with a pinky held out. :)
 
@BartekBanachewicz so there's a difference between looking imperative and imperative
 
3:03 PM
@Luggage why? :P
 
!!afk beer
 
@FlorianMargaine welp okay Parsec uses do notation but it's actually declarative
 
@FlorianMargaine you know C and C++ do that do right? If you have two statements in C and the compiler can tell they're independent it can (and might) change their execution order
!!afk beer
 
2 beers? slow down.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum nope, didn't know that
I guess using IO is part of "they're not independent"
 
3:07 PM
Thanks @dievardump! However, I think using that function would prevent me from using the jQuery selectors. Am I correct?
 
@AshneilRoy It won't. It's making a valid element in the DOM, just like jQuery is. Use jQuery if that's what you want. It's just a wrapper for the DOM calls, though.
 
@Luggage :D
 
@Luggage wut ? no no no.
I linked him how to properly create DOM elements to inject them in the DOM
Don't tell him jQuery does the same, when it does not.
 
Yes. Ther are valid reason to not use jQuery, but you are'nt suggesting he use a data-binding frameowkr or any other method, you are only telllin him to skip the dom wrapper that he finds convenient
I DO agree that learning the real DOM, like @dievardump suggested is better.
 
I am telling him to use a proper method instead of a .append('<td><img src="cards/' + cards[i] + '.png" /></td>');
 
3:18 PM
yea, there are betetr ways to do it in jQuery
 
He is doing something for homself, it's when you need to learn things better.
When you're at work and have no time because of freaking awful deadlines, I can understand a .append('<td><img src="cards/' + cards[i] + '.png" /></td>');
When you're doing something to learn, I don't.
 
Many people learn on jQuery. And there are more-correct ways and less-correct ways to use it. I just hate the "don't use jquery" response to epoples questions that jQyery isn't the 'problem'.
And again. I agree that leanring the DOM without jQuery is better, but i doubt he's going to strat over.
 
So jQuery can't add elements into the DOM (properly)?
 
I did not say "don't use jQuery". I said "Use the DOM api"
 
jQuery CAN add elemenst to the DOM correctly. You don't NEED jQuery to do that, though.
Are you suggesting, @dievardump, that he creates the elemnt with document.createElement(), then just append in jQuery?
 
3:23 PM
will that work?
 
yes
 
thanks :D
 
but why not just do element.appendChild then?
 
it should. $.append() takes elements to add. It ALSO takes a string (which you are using) and will add it that way. It's probably less efficient, but..
 
Then you find out that you don't even need jQuery
then you learn to love life again
 
3:24 PM
ok, so the suggestion is 'start over from scratch without jQuery', it seems.
 
lol, if you want to learn, learn it the right way.
 
That seesm to be the only answer that won't get you yelled at in this channel.
 
the DOM API is terrible...
 
Tools should be after you've learned the basics
 
honestly, don't learn the DOM API
don't learn jquery either
they're both terrible
 
3:25 PM
don't even learn
 
I'm sorry i missed the last room meeting because i hate that no one can ask any questino about jQuery without this response.
 
Well we're sorry that jQuery sucks, even though it does all things
 
@Luggage a good point to mention at the next one
btw, who's next meeting organizer?
@SecondRikudo ^
 
@NickDugger I actually agree. People SHOUDL learn raw, then add tools.
 
@FlorianMargaine You are, since I think you weren't one yet (correct me if I'm wrong)
 
3:29 PM
Not eve a non-vamp can ask a question that has some jQuery cod eanywhere in it without this "Start over' response. It's not helpful or productive.
 
If I ever have a project in which I need to learn the basics, I will. However, right now I am just trying to insert an element in a specific spot in a web page as fast as possible. This project doesn't require efficiency or reliability. The point of this card game is to practice my algorithm/logic skills not my web programming skills
 
user2620028
@luggage it helped me a lot
 
user2620028
It is a really annoying condescending fight starting response, but it is correct and if the suggestion is followed earnestly then it is by far the best solution typically.
 
@SecondRikudo nah, you randomly named someone at the last meeting
can't remember who
 
@Luggage The problem stems from the fact that most javascript help-vamps are jquery copy/pasters. It's hard to differentiate, so we usually don't.
 
3:31 PM
@FlorianMargaine Pretty sure I haven't
Benji told me to choose one by fair dice roll
 
I don't really want to do it tbh
 
user2620028
@NickDugger did you see the person earlier in chat who was begging for someone to do his job interview coding questions for him? In the end someone anonymously submitted him code for his job interview.
 
I did not see that -.-
 
@AshneilRoy So.. in the DOM you'e use document.createElement() to make elements and element.apppendChild() to add them to a parent to insert. This translates to jQuery's $("newElement") and .append().
your .append("<someElement>....</someElement>") is just another layer of wrapper on top of that.
and probably less efficient.
but.. 'valid' as far as 1. It'll work and 2. It's what the jQuery docs say
 
3:36 PM
But.. if you want to do it 'raw', it's not that much more work and we can point you to the right docs to get you going.
 
is it possible to use apppendChild with the Jquery selector?
ex. $('#gameTable').find('tr').eq(row).appendChild(docunent.createElement());
 
but with a slight tweak. jQuery give you en element (or list of them) in it's wrapper. You just need to get raw DOM element out of jQuery's results. I think .get() will do it?
 
$('#gameTable tr').append($('<div/>'));
just do that
 
lol?
 
3:39 PM
@NickDugger that's the problem with these hours... there's nobody online
 
@FlorianMargaine would you say that in that instance, a flag would be appropriate?
 
user2620028
Apparently i am nobody :/
 
@NickDugger dunno...
I'd flag
 
user2620028
But yeah you are definitely correct florian lol
 
I would as well
 
user2620028
3:40 PM
I didn't bother because no one had been online in quite a long time and wasn't going to be active for a while
 
That's about the time I roll out of bed lol
 
user2620028
I think that was like 5pm for me hahaha
 
It was 5am for me...
 
So something like 11am for @Loktar or @rlemon and something like 9pm for @SomeKittens
 
3:44 PM
It says 5am for me too
 
user2620028
It says 5am on the timestamp but i know i was not awake at 5am hahaha
 
ohhhh, UTC
so, it was like 11 pm?
 
user2620028
uhhhh that might be yeah 6 pm here then
 
user2620028
It is kind of sad i can't remember what part of the day that was hahaha
 
user2620028
just looked at the timestamp in my computers browser history. 12:53 PM GMT +7
 
3:48 PM
if you're in IL like your profile says, you're not in GMT + 7
you're in GMT-6, or 5... forget where IL falls
 
user2620028
Illinois is in -6 and i just moved to Thailand GMT +7
 
user2620028
Trying to get a job by outsourcing myself :P
 
oh hey
I got a gift: a copy of Clean Code
 
clean code is always a gift
 
4:02 PM
@FlorianMargaine 10am
 
7am waking up in the morning
 
user1596138
@FlorianMargaine Kittens is 3 hours behind us (rlemon me and kendall)
 
IT'S FRIDAY \o/
 
I meant 11pm
 
hell yeah bruh
 
4:03 PM
@Jhawins ah wasn't sure
 
user1596138
Oh ok 11pm makes more sense haha
 
Clean code, like dry land, is a myth.
 
posted on January 23, 2015

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user2620028
Dust bowl might disagree with you. :) my god i hope we never have that kind of a stupid mistake again
 
Hope all you want, it's gonna happen.
 
4:08 PM
@dystroy Is it discouraged to programmatically communicate with the Miaou chat?
(Alternatively, is there an API?)
 
@Luggage Clean code is a relative term.
 
@Unihedro of course not. Miaou actually provides an API :)
which kind of communication do you want? plugin in your browser or plugin on the server?
 
@FlorianMargaine Oh, thanks! I had not had known, I was going to go through implementing authentication and usage myself :p
@FlorianMargaine Like rebuild a client to integrate with a chat app for me to use all at one place.
 
oh
an http api...
@dystroy ^ ^^
 
Oh, it has an in-built SDK mimicking as an API.
So it's really a Miaou Client SDK. :p
 
4:12 PM
there's an api for browser bots
but no http api afaik, but I might be wrong
 
Oh well, no worries; Fiddler sessions will get me through :D
 
@NickDugger yeah, that's totally unethical. Did anyone try and join the interview and add a bunch of comments about what he was doing?
 
No idea
I wasn't there either
 
@Luggage I dont think thats true
at least I hope not
 
user2620028
@SomeKittens i opened the link to see what it was and someone from SO #17 chat was working on it for him according to him. I just stayed out of it as it was not my problem and told him he shouldn't be accepting help for that.
 
4:16 PM
because if so thats idiotic :P
 
@HatterisMad appreciate it.
 
Yeah, someone really should have added //this guy is asking for help on an internet chatroom to his code. That's just terrible.
 
user2620028
If it makes you guys feel any better he did not finish and submit the job interview lol
 
Apparently I have periodontitis. So that's cool
Also good morning ya'llerinos
 
user2620028
That sucks shmiddty. Also a very weird hello
 
4:24 PM
@HatterisMad What's this about?
 
user2620028
11 hours ago, by STEEL
hi i nee help to pass this interview
 
Bright side is that I got a few percocet, so I'm feeling pretty chipper
 
user2620028
I prefer my coffee with morphine in the morning myself.
 
I'm not sure I know what morphine feels like
I think I was given morphine once for a surgery, but I'm not entirely certain
 
user2620028
I had a morphine drip once in the hospital. I still can not to this day remember why exactly i was at the hospital. Although i am pretty sure it had something to do with several third degree burns to my skin and the rest of my body in second degree burns :/
 
4:32 PM
That elevator game is pretty fun. My code isn't very efficient, but it's worked so far lol
 
@HatterisMad what?
 
user2620028
@Loktar may or may not have played around at a water park from open to close with no sunscreen as a kid. I burn like an Irishman.
 
ooooh shit man
my friend is like that :/
he had to go into a whirl pool every day for like 2 weeks at one point
something about removing the dead skin safely idk
I don't envy you guys in the summer lol
 
user2620028
It has gotten quite a lot better since i was a kid. I usually burn really badly at the beginning of summer and then don't burn again after that till the next year.
 
user2620028
Since i have moved to Thailand getting a sunburn has seemed inevitable. However 90 degree weather over here feels like 80 degree weather back home, and the sun just gives you a gentle warmth. Unlike home in the USA where it felt like you were standing in a bonfire at 90 degrees
 
4:37 PM
just realized I've pretty much never used my rightshift key...
 
@HatterisMad dry heat?
dry heat always feels better at higher temps for sure lol
Humidity is the killer
 
user2620028
@loktar yeah it hasnt gotten more than like 40-60% since i have gotten here lol
 
does anybody know this syntax meaning ?
var ns1 = ns1 || {};
how it's different from
 
how ironic
 
var ns1 = {}
 
4:49 PM
143
Q: If my team has low skill, should I lower the skill of my code?

Florian MargaineFor example, there is a common snippet in JS to get a default value: function f(x) { x = x || 'default_value'; } This kind of snippet is not easily understood by all the members of my team, their JS level being low. Should I not use this trick then? It makes the code less readable by peer...

 
I hope your team isn't in this channel..
 
user2620028
lol
 
user2620028
i was thinking that as well
 
@FlorianMargaine In my honest opinion, no. I used to work with colleagues of different level (in fact much lower than mine, surprisingly), the workflow forced me to comment through any code that are potentially not-maintainable, and it worked well. Everyone else could learn something new from every commit.
 
@underscore what if ns1 already exists?
 
4:59 PM
@Loktar go alphabetical
var nsa
 
hah
I was thinking NS2 that game is fun
 
I was thinking NS4 this browser sucked...
 

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