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12:00 PM
@JanDvorak I think so, yes
 
@AwalGarg you may
 
Hi all.
 
@Julo0sS I dunno about that. I just told you what the problem was (which I saw from the console)
 
A quick question, if we (using javascript) remove an element from the DOM, it's very likely that the web page will reorganize itself. EG, if we have numerous DIV's which float, use the 'removeChild()' to remove one of them then the page layout will likely update. Is there a way to turn this off?
 
@Dave hide it instead
visibility:hidden
 
12:02 PM
@Dave Don't remove the element
^
 
Yes, I considered hide, the issue I have is potentially one of memory
Let's assume the element in question was based upon reading data from a FileReader()
and could therefore potentially be more effective to release this memory
 
@Dave uh... lock its size, empty it and hide it?
 
^ @JanDvorak (@SecondRikudo too)
 
what an excellent idea @JanDvorak
 
12:05 PM
@AwalGarg Nice. What are the pros of the atom editor?
 
@JanDvorak none that I can see till now over sublime
 
@AwalGarg not even the price?
 
@JanDvorak I haven't bought sublime, I feel bad for that. I would buy it someday...
 
@JanDvorak You can use Sublime Text for free, and even if you buy a license, it’s a one-time investment for a tool of incredible usefulness.
 
nagware?
I'll reconsider that
 
12:07 PM
You can try it and keep using it for unlimited time. Every nth save, it will nag you to buy it. I hit Esc
 
any tool to "order" js code? (svg-edit .js files are not readable at all...)
 
it's not that irritating though
 
doesn't feel morally right, still
 
If I could, I would re-write Sublime with the open-source license.
 
I used Sublime for about a year for free, and then decided to buy a license since I used it that often. Haven’t regretted it at all. And it’s a per-user license, so I have this on multiple machines, even at work.
 
12:10 PM
You can ;-)
 
yeah
write sublime text with lisp
 
Or in haskell, just for the chalenge
 
^superfast built in workspaces
and I tell you, I have a really shitty computer... it is still blazingly smooth and fast
 
why is emacs slow!
maybe because i included too many libraries
 
12:13 PM
also @JanDvorak, ubuntu comes with libre-office (which is somewhat better than ms office, IMO), can play more file formats than windows out of the box etc...
 
@argentum47 Just to give Vim a fighting chance?
@AwalGarg I've got OpenOffice
 
most importantly, I don't have to open and see IE, download chrome and then use it on linux. It comes with FF.
@JanDvorak "out-of-the-box"
 
i used to use vim. but i like emacs , it feels a bit easy.
 
@AwalGarg point taken
 
Installing (and managing) software on ubuntu is easier than on windows iff you understand how it works.
 
12:16 PM
> iff
 
> iff
 
> iff
 
> iff
 
Nerds
 
> iff
 
12:17 PM
> iff
 
> iff
 
you idiots, I wrote it emphasized
All your quotes are belong to me!
 
Soo...
> iff
 
:D
@erikroyall o/
 
Man, isn't there any alternative to cherry-picking in git?
Doing a pick with 30 commits, andthey all have tons of conflicts with existing code. Isn't there a way to do them all at once, rather than one at a time?
 
12:20 PM
@Kippie Depends on what you are trying to achieve?
You could just merge the branch…
 
!!should I learn vim/emacs?
 
@AwalGarg Certainly
 
@CapricaSix I hate you so much....
 
nah, the branch has older commits which I don't want merged.
 
iff == <=>
 
12:22 PM
You could cherry-pick the range onto a new branch that starts off a commit which won’t conflict. And then merge that new branch into your target branch.
 
@erikroyall I have a feeling there's a joke there that I don't get.
 
@Kippie iff = if and only if
 
@erikroyall nope, iff === ===
 
@AwalGarg No
 
iff === "if and only if"
 
12:24 PM
@copy EXPLAIN PLS!!!!!!
 
@AwalGarg No
 
If your payment order does not go through before we ship your order, the pre-order will not be processed.
 
@AwalGarg a iff b means a is true if b is true, and b is true if a is true
 
There is no “if” in ===. You can say A === B iff A and B are type-identical.” or something.
 
So "using ubuntu is comfortable iff you know what you're doing" implies that also, if you know what you're doing, ubuntu is comfortable.
That's not always the case.
 
12:26 PM
else ubuntu can make you feel uncomfortable.
 
@SecondRikudo ahh I was talking about installing AND managing softwares
 
@AwalGarg Doesn't matter
!!wiki if and only if
 
In logic and related fields such as mathematics and philosophy, if and only if (shortened iff) is a biconditional logical connective between statements. In that it is biconditional, the connective can be likened to the standard material conditional ("only if", equal to "if ... then") combined with its reverse ("if"); hence the name. The result is that the truth of either one of the connected statements requires the truth of the other, i.e., either both statements are true, or both are false. It is controversial whether the connective thus defined is properly rendered by the English "if and only...
 
@AwalGarg ^
 
1 min ago, by Second Rikudo
That's not always the case.
^this was about what I told Jan, right?
 
12:28 PM
@AwalGarg No, about a statement being true if you reverse the sides.
 
like i bought a brand new lenovo laptop with the dumb windows 8 pre installed. i was so frustated having installed ubuntu. i couldn't reinstall, because of the new boot UEFI. i couldnot load any other OS from usb. and everyday i had new problems
 
i.e. "using ubuntu is always comfortable if you know what you're doing" doesn't necessarily mean "you always know what you're doing if ubuntu is comfortable for you"
But when you use iff, then it is implied that both statements are true ^
 
@SecondRikudo haha, ok. Yeah I know... I was trying to say it with pun, but apparently I didn't succeed :D
@SecondRikudo I agree
 
Does anyone know if it's possible to sign in a specific user with Google Auth (client app, JavaScript)?
Or any other authentication platform.
 
12:31 PM
"sign in a specific user"?
 
@Oleg I think they provide an OAuth2 platform
 
@SecondRikudo yes, but it's a sign-in-whoever-wants
I only want one, specific user to be able to login.
 
Why?
 
Because.
 
@FlorianMargaine I call bullshit
 
12:32 PM
@SecondRikudo It’s actually real, but very limited.
 
@poke You can't use magnets to levitate over a material that doesn't conduct well or doesn't magentize.
 
intense day today
 
@Second They require a special underground though. Their dev kit comes with copper I think.
 
@poke So they aren't street ready
Aha, yeah now I see
 
Of course not. As I said, they are very limited.
 
12:33 PM
I take my words back.
They said that in their description
 
...how is that a "real" "hoverboard" then?
 
The idea is more to put out the technology to individual people so they can play with it to come up with interesting applications.
@AwalGarg They have a copper halfpipe :P
 
@SecondRikudo not true
!!wiki diamagnetism
 
Diamagnetic materials create an induced magnetic field in a direction opposite to an externally applied magnetic field, and are repelled by the applied magnetic field. In contrast, the opposite behavior is exhibited by paramagnetic materials. Diamagnetism is a quantum mechanical effect that occurs in all materials; where it is the only contribution to the magnetism the material is called a diamagnet. Unlike a ferromagnet, a diamagnet is not a permanent magnet. Its magnetic permeability is less than μ0 (the permeability of free space). In most materials diamagnetism is a weak effect, but a s...
 
@KendallFrey The idea of levitating is to induce an opposite direction electric current and thus magnetic field in the surface you want to levitate over
That works great with superconductors, and fine with normal conductors, but you can't levitate over concrete.
 
12:38 PM
That is in no way implied in the definition of levitation
 
Not with magnets anyway, and not without some underground infrastructure.
@KendallFrey Sure, I can also use my Rikudo Senjutsu and levitate, but that's a different matter.
 
No, you can't levitate over concrete realistically, but there are materials that would allow practical levitation
 
Isn’t it all a matter of how much energy you put into it?
 
@KendallFrey Aside from a superconductor that has to be cooled down below -100C, I don't see a material that wouldn't require a steady power supply.
 
how about a frog?
 
12:40 PM
poor frog.
 
Then you need to power the environment
 
16 teslas holding that frog up
 
i vote for hovercraft
 
@JanDvorak not if you have a permanent magnet
 
12:41 PM
@KendallFrey I wouldn't come anywhere near that
 
@KendallFrey 16T is pretty strong for a static magnet
 
I know
 
I don't think it's plausible to have a static magnet that strong
 
And that's a frog that weighs less than 100g, so it's not really applicable to anything practical.
 
But it's definitely possible
 
12:41 PM
@JanDvorak Strongest ever is 20T
 
@KendallFrey All you need is a shit-ton of energy
 
In other news, it would appear that cold-fusion was proven practically possible.
 
just to create the magnet
 
@JanDvorak and a shit-ton of machinery to protect yourself from it.
 
@KendallFrey and keep it
 
12:43 PM
well, don't take it near your car, and you should be fine
 
we can levitate concrete .. by putting on a superconductor
 
@KendallFrey Or your pacemaker, or your pens
 
or we can go floating in space
 
@SecondRikudo yeah
 
@Ironman , wats your views
 
12:44 PM
Spaaaaaaaaaaaace
 
@AwalGarg Or you could try and go for Rikudo Senjutsu like I originally suggested.
 
or make a faraday shield on top of it
 
U+0020
 
I see what you did there
 
Although I'd warn you that I'm the second out of 3 people who managed to achieve Rikudo Senjutsu in all of history
 
12:45 PM
import anti-gravity
 
@argentum47 U+000000000000000000000000020
 
!!youtube sixty symbols magnetic levitation
 
@AwalGarg only if the world ran with python :D
 
Would an object with negative mass also have negative gravity?
 
12:46 PM
@SecondRikudo that doesn't actually work
 
@KendallFrey No..
 
@JanDvorak SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAACE
 
@erikroyall actually yes
 
@KendallFrey Define "object with negative mass"
 
but it would still fall to earth
 
12:47 PM
What is "negative gravity".
?
 
@SecondRikudo point particle generating a gravitational field as per GR, where M < 0
@erikroyall Gravity in the other direction
 
@KendallFrey Is that a real thing?
 
no
not that we know of
 
@KendallFrey Do you know when gravity is repulsive?
 
negative gravity or anti-gravity?
 
12:48 PM
@AwalGarg When it's your mom
 
A body with imaginary mass might have negative gravity.
 
@argentum47 negative
 
In that case, it will fall down to earth due to it floating downwards in the air, no?
 
air is irrelevant
 
And infinite speed.
 
12:49 PM
Why would it be attracted a larger object with positive mass then?
Shouldn't it be repulsed if the gravity vector points the other way?
 
because that's a straight line in spacetime
also, remember Galileo and the tower of Pisa?
 
Gravity attracts mass. Mass attracts itself
 
objects fall at the same rate regardless of mass
A negative mass would repel the Earth, but the Earth would attract it
 
@KendallFrey Ah, right
Because it has negative mass, Acceleration from forces exerted on it will be reversed
 
If you had two masses equal in magnitude and opposite in sign, they could be placed beside each other and accelerate infinitely.
 
12:51 PM
@KendallFrey Yes, beyond the speed of light even
 
you are all idiots... two balls of same mass (and exact spheres) but made of different materials are dropped from same height on towards Earth's surface. Which will reach Earth's surface faster?
 
Einstein is ashamed of you
 
@KendallFrey Mass increases = gravity increases = more acceleration, not less.
 
@SecondRikudo definitely not
 
12:52 PM
@AwalGarg assuming air resistance, the larger
 
http://www.animatedphysics.com/axioms.htm
If there were anti-mass, it would attract itself and repel mass. then planets would move away from galaxy. since it no happen. -ve gravity no exists
 
@AwalGarg The one with less mass / air drag ratio
 
@SecondRikudo but mass does not increase
 
@KendallFrey no air resistance is present
@JanDvorak ^
 
@KendallFrey Of course it does, as your approach the SoL, mass increases.
 
12:52 PM
@AwalGarg unrealistic
 
unless you look it it from a stationary RF, in which case mass increases but time also decreases
 
@JanDvorak just think..... think for a while
 
weight increase. Mass X gravity
 
@AwalGarg in that case, it's a tie
 
@KendallFrey No, the smaller, if any.
Think of a 1kg of iron vs 1kg of feathers, in sphere form.
Feathers have much more drag due to same mass and larger size.
 
12:54 PM
oh yeah, forgot about density
if you discard air resistence though
hmm
 
thats relative mass maybe.
 
2 mins ago, by Awal Garg
@KendallFrey no air resistance is present
 
@KendallFrey Then both will drop exactly the same.
 
Then that would depend how 'same height' is defined
 
depends how ... ^ that
 
12:55 PM
@Psychemaster Right
 
Intuitively, a 1kg mass of feathers is significantly larger than a 1kg mass of iron
 
centre or bottom?
 
What he said.
 
Assuming center of mass is at the same height, larger will hit slightly earlier.
 
if bottom, the smaller
if centre, the larger
 
12:55 PM
If bottom, they tie*
 
@Psychemaster No
 
there would never ever be a tie, if the materials are different
 
think about Lenz's law and you get the answer
 
Yeah, smaller.
 
12:56 PM
there would be a tie if the size is the same
 
I see you understand.
 
Because center of mass is closer to the ground
@AwalGarg Never say "never"
 
@SecondRikudo I repeat, "never"
 
Of course practically they'll never be tied 100%
 
12:57 PM
1 min ago, by Kendall Frey
there would be a tie if the size is the same
 
1 min ago, by Awal Garg
there would never ever be a tie, if the materials are different
1 min ago, by Awal Garg
think about Lenz's law and you get the answer
 
if both spheres are the same size, regardless of density, they will be tie
 
There's gravity from all the objects in the universe, magnetism, spontaneous nuclear fissures, etc, which are all chaotic, even if negligible.
 
unless you factor in the finite mass of the Earth
 
gravity causes objects to accelerate
earth has a magnetic field
 
12:58 PM
i like chaos theory
 
...and you know what happens due to this
 
nothing important
 
@Zirak I don't suppose you have tried sub classing with Object.create(). Sub class maybe the wrong word.
 
@AwalGarg You could factor out the difference in materials and work out just how much Lenz's law applies to both
 

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