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12:00 PM
i decided to go a different route
i incorporated my own consulting company
i already have a decent number of clients and a few devs that do work with me
i even built an office
 
Are any of these developers children :)?
 
@All hello
 
did all the framing and drywall and shit myself
even made my own desks
 
here is a golfing challenge of me ... a real world golf :P
 
12:01 PM
@redline Yeah I saw that on facebook, looks very nice.
 
write the minimum lines of code for finding a path on a 2d map :D // Effieceincy doesnt matters
 
Still, are any of those developers children?
 
we are all 24
maybe 23 or 25 with some birthday offsets, i dunno
 
@redline Then can you safely write code for adults? :)
 
:P
honestly, the guys i work with now could run circles around the adults at my past job
 
12:03 PM
Would any of your developers write code using a library without checking what that code does?
 
of course not
we all write good code
but i said last week, wait until you see my back-end framework
 
user1125394
man 2 lines for creating and sending tcp packet in erlang, can't complain
 
Devleoping 8 years ago -
- Get a library
- Want to a use a function? Cool, open a new program
- Use the function in several scenarios
- Use that function

Development in 2013:
- Get a library
- Want to a use a function? Cool, read the unit tests
- Profit
 
then make a more educated judgement on everything
 
Challenge : With canvas write a 2d path finding algorithm (in minimum lines) // including random terrain generation
 
12:05 PM
@Darkyen post that on the codegolf SE, use an image not canvas specifically :P
 
user1125394
you're wanting ray-tracing?
 
@redline Well, are you sure you can make that assumption?
 
no, of course not
that's why i want your opinion when it's done
 
@redline -_-
Do you do code reviews?
 
rarely
i want to do more
 
12:06 PM
@cx why would you use ray-tracing in here ?
that would be come 3d lol
 
it's just very difficult to organize everyone when starting up...we can barely get a stand-up meeting going at times...know what i mean?
 
@Darkyen, 2d raytracing could work
 
@redline Yeah, I know. It's very hard for young companies to organize everything together.
 
some people have their real jobs, some people don't take the startup seriously, some people are just out of touch and hard to reach...ugh
 
@phenomnomnominal and what would raytracing do :?
 
12:07 PM
You could do bidirectional path tracing in 2d without a limit on depth
 
though it sounds like a good path
detection.. lets see it :D
 
@redline "real jobs"?
 
start at both ends, bounce rays until they meet
 
@redline I'm part of a start up company too and we take ourselves very seriously.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum yep. some guys work a "real job" from 9-5 and can only work here when they are free
 
12:08 PM
I'd fire them and hire real employees.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Bit rough :P
 
Or pay them hour-based, and still hire real employees.
@phenomnomnominal I'm sorry, but if one of our employees said we were not his "real job" I'd take great offense in that, and I'm not even high management.
 
my best friend, who i went to high school with, and college with, who was also my roommate in college, was all like "yea dude this is nice stuff...hit me up if you need any help" and i haven't been able to reach him for 3 weeks...not much of a best friend anymore if you ask me
i have been heavily considering seeking out an angel investor and just getting real employees
but that wasn't how i wanted to do it...but i'm running out of options
 
@redline Running a business is hard. You need to get clients - first.
Get a bunch of clients, offer them attractive hour based deals.
 
i have the clients and the jobs though
 
12:10 PM
Don't over-hire.
 
i have offered attractive rates
finding good devs is the problem
i have jobs out the ass
 
It's very hard to run a business. I wouldn't go and develop an entire library like jTypes if I was starting my own business.
 
but i can't do them all by myself
@BenjaminGruenbaum yes well in my business plan unfortunately, i NEED jTypes.NET to accomplish some of the applications i need to build to have a very small number of devs have the ability to build a very large project in a decent amount of time
 
Here is how one should hire:
- Find random questions with awesome answers in SO, contact the person who answered, offer them an interview.
- Find random awesome GitHub repos in SO, contact the person who authored, offer them an interview.
- Exhaust other options like SO Careers and such.
 
i am not looking for telecommuters though
i want devs in chicago that can work in my office
 
12:13 PM
I'm sure you'll be able to find some just fine.
 
i've been looking...but like i said, all this is very difficult and i am but one man
 
@redline Honestly, if I were a startup at your pre-investment stage I wouldn't 'do it right', that's wasting time. I'd develop dirty code that doesn't scale, probably unit test very little and focus on working simple code that pays the bills.
 
i am trying to do like 1823798 things at once and i just can't take it anymore
 
I'm hearing a lot of 'too hard's
You either want it bad enough to give it everything you can to make it happen, or you don't
 
12:14 PM
@phenomnomnominal i'm still here ain't i?
 
^
Your job as a startup company is to be profitable. Everything else is meaningless.
 
well i disagree with that unfortunately
i want to do it right from the start, sorry
 
You want to get to a point where you balance is positive, and you want to stabilize it.
 
otherwise i could have just kept my old job if i wanted to do it wrong
 
No, you really don't want to do it right from the start, you want to live.
 
12:16 PM
so hows everybody doing :?
 
I'm not saying write bad code, I'm saying that being successful as a start up is a lot more important than 'doing it right'
You know me for a bit now, you know how passionate I am about good code.
 
yes but if i feel i have a good tool almost ready, which will give me a significant advantage, why not finish that?
@BenjaminGruenbaum yes, i do know
 
Take no offense in that. If jTypes is your significant advantage I feel very sorry for you :(
 
no, not jTypes bro
the back-end
the whole web framework as a whole
jTypes is but 10% of that
and while the framework could exist without jTypes
 
Well, I've been too hasty to judge before and ate a couple of hats. I'll just have to wait and see.
 
12:17 PM
i find it fits into it perfectly, and i PREFER to have it in it
 
May I suggest something that's very counter intuitive?
 
@Darkyen finally today i got to know wt html is... :-D
 
but after my discussions here, i have made some major changes in terms of keeping it even more modular
sure, go ahead
 
Release the framework open source. If it's that good you'll have good developers wanting to work for you flowing in, as well as job offers.
(Job offers as in clients)
(But probably actual job offers too)
 
my plan was this
75% of the framework is going to be open-source
 
12:19 PM
@Suja well thats a great thing :P
 
but i am going to make some business-oriented tools as well
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum jTypes.... yuck
 
That might work
 
that are closed-source...however
 
@Darkyen, we've been through that already :P
 
12:20 PM
they will still be free for use
but not for commercial use
i already had a lawyer write up the license and everything
 
That might work. I'll just have to wait and see then.
I can't really judge the framework just yet.
 
@redline, closed source software can cause a bit of bad faith amongst developers
 
only the business tools
are closed source
and they are still free for noncommerical use
 
Yep, I can read
 
@Darkyen btw, how much will it take for me to get a good hold upon it?
 
12:21 PM
@phenomnomnominal You mean like the business services in Ubuntu?
 
i have still opened sourced a majority of things, which i think devs will respect
there is nothing wrong with having a few business tools closed source to make some money...i can't sit here all day and code for free for people
 
@phenomnomnominal Also, that sort of model is more common in the Microsoft world.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I'm not saying it doesn't happen, I'm saying that a lot of developers would prefer everything to be open
 
by making some money, i can continue to make more open-sourced tools to benefit the community
 
Competitive advantage should come from innovation
Not from hiding what you're doing
 
12:24 PM
@phenomnomnominal If you don't hide your innovations you won't make money.
Just like Google don't reveal their PageRank algorithm. Or SO their source code.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum, that blog is AWESOME
 
if they were competitive, they should have innovated what i innovated, not let me do all the work for them so they can just copy-paste
 
I want to hire the company who MAKE the awesome framework, not the one who copied it.
 
i like the open-source concept, but only to an extent
google did it right
and that's how i plan to operate as well
@phenomnomnominal and i agree with that
which is why a majority is open source
 
@phenomnomnominal As a business person - you want to hire the company who gets the job done cheapest.
 
12:26 PM
not true
you want the balance time money and quality.
 
You want to maximize utility
 
However you want to put it, as long as we agree that you don't just want cheapest.
 
You want the best "money/value used" ratio
 
#1 time, #2 quality, #3 cost...pick only TWO
you can never have all 3
one always has to suffer at the expense of the others
or a combination of all three
but you can't have your cake and eat it too
 
@RajeevK Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room pseudo-rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
12:31 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum forgot to post this picture...it's the best one cause you get to see the "before":
 
nice
Sounds to me like you're not a consulting company but a software company if what you do is make software and not consult.
 
I only just realised how awesome the shadow DOM is
 
@Suja Good hold on what ?
HTML ???
I'd say even i dont have any hold on html yet :-)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum but we do consult
@BenjaminGruenbaum and once my tools are finished we will have A LOT more consulting to do
my goal is to be writing a book and consulting for companies to help their devs use my platform
a big dream...but one i am going to pursue nonetheless
 
Its like chess will take you an hour or two to learn... but will take a life time to master @Suja
 
12:36 PM
On the menu dropdown, I want my header & menu bar to be active & other page element below that have pop-up background effect, just like flipkart.com, how it can be possible ?
 
@RajeevK you could do that by writing code.
 
@RajeevK Everything is possible! Believe in yourself!
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Where to start ? I know PHP & can only understand written jquery code
 
I feel a Glee-esque song coming on... @copy, you're needed. Over.
 
@RajeevK would you like me to write that code for you?
 
12:40 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum No I won't ask you for that. I just want to know what this effect means so I can google & look into some example & try to do it on my own
 
alright well i'm going to head off for some breakfast...@phenomnomnominal, @BenjaminGruenbaum, it was nice talking with you guys as always...cya later
 
@RajeevK Ok, then I won't write it for you.
Bye everyone.
Off to code some python :( :)
quick, I need coding music
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum What is this effect ?
 
12:42 PM
@Darkyen well, so that can be thought of as the case with almost all the languages...i guess!
:-\
 
@phenomnomnominal I want to know the mechanism behind this...
 
@Suja not really
 
@Darkyen as in?
 
@Suja as in Scratch ( a language )
$('input.integer-places').css('width', '90%').css('width', '-=100px');
$('input.name').css('width', '100%').css('width', '-=9px');
@Guys, is it just me or there is a much better way to write that :?
 
@Darkyen n what does this means? :-\
 
12:47 PM
@Darkyen I also do the same...LOL
@Suja It means he is applying some style by script on widgets
 
@Suja Nothing its a way to emulate css -calc-
which basically allows you to specify width of elements as expressions for example you can do width:calc(100%-20px);
it will calculate 100% - 20px itself
 
Morning All
 
@Darkyen @RajeevK are u people in a state of concluding that Scratch can be learned within no time, or what? :-P :-\
 
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Q: What is the widget use in GWT-Web Application and where to use that widget?

subbareddy NallamachuWhat is the widget use in GWT application, where to use that in web-applications.

 
@Suja Well hello @Darkyen Sibling Element
 
12:57 PM
Lol
@Suja Scratch ... you can hit it limits in a week
Okay...
well guys i want to split
an expression on the basis of operators * + - /
.split(/[*+-\/]/)
should work , no ?
 
@Darkyen you have a Syntax error in your profile
 
Its intentional
 
@Darkyen ok
 
the opened array for hobbies :P
 
@Connor hello, n i have a name. :-D
:-P
 
12:59 PM
right ?
 
what?
hello, suja
 
@Connor hahhhh!! hello once again :-D
 
so @Darkyen got you into web or something?
 
@all as i am new, so just to know...
what are the agegroups of the people over here in this room?
 
@Darkyen Just welcome at blog site...
 
1:06 PM
@Suja between 15 and i think @zirak is 89
lol
 
@Connor ohh.!!
n btw, who is Zirak?
 
he built @CapricaSix she is a robot on this chat, ill show you
!!/tell Suja google zirak SO chat
 
!!/tell suja help
 
@abdu Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room pseudo-rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
i am amazed!! when was it built?
 
1:13 PM
@Suja "She"
 
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A: Assigning dynamic <div> unique ID when they are created

Benjamin GruenbaumLet's assume your HTML is something like: <button id='makeBird'>Make a new bird!</button> <div id='wrapper'></div> Which is reasonable for your JS code. Let's see how we can write JS that avoids stuff like "#name"+number. var button = document.getElementById("makeBird"); // get the button an...

Sometimes I feel like some people just want to watch the world burn :(
 
is everyone over here settled with a job?
 
@Zirak Cute :)
 
@Suja nope
i know for sure zirak isnt
and so isnt Ivo
and so on
 
@Darkyen who actually zirak is?
 
1:17 PM
@Suja thats a good question
hes a god
he is 92 year old ( as he says )
 
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i still dint got to knw about zirak. :-\
all i came to know by now is that he is a human with an age, 92 who built a robot named, Caprica Six.
what else? like, his profession?
 
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@Suja ^^
 
@Darkyen Why are you talking to yourself? :S
 
@BadgerGirl i was talking to @Suja
function calcShim(element,property,expression){
    var calculated = 0;
    var freed_expression = expression.replace(/ /gi,'').replace("(","").replace(")","");
    var parts = freed_expression.split(/[\*+-\/]/gi);
    var operator = freed_expression.match(/[\*+-\/]/gi);
    var units = {
        'px':function(quantity){
            var part = 0;
            part = parseFloat(quantity,10);
            return part;
        },
        '%':function(quantity){
            var part = 0,
            parentWidth = element.parent().width();
Okay so the above is my small shim for calc ... any problems you guys see :?
 
1:25 PM
@Darkyen But she looks like you.
 
@BadgerGirl because shes my sister ?
 
@Darkyen Ouch :P
@Suja @BadgerGirl doesn't like you, I'm just going to put it out there :P
 
I don't like any girl in the room, but she can stay because she's Darkyen's sister.
 
@Suja Some people call me the space cowboy.
 
@BadgerGirl sorry to ask, but may i know the reason behind that?
 
1:28 PM
lmao
@Suja cause her boyfriend is in the room
 
@Zirak jamiroquai?
 
@Suja You have the same parents as Darkyen.
 
no
 
@Zirak may i ask u about your profession?
 
You may, but I'll have to kill you. And then Darkyen will be even more sad and bitchy, which will bring us all down
 
1:32 PM
xD
 
I'll give you a hint, though. I do not work on automatic washing machine cleaners.
 
@Zirak :-D thats great then! :-D
 
@Suja None of us have any idea who Zirak really is :)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum and what is the reason behind that?
 
He likes his privacy and we respect that.
 
1:34 PM
@Suja Nobody likes me ;-;
 
why? @Zirak
 
Because I'm a terrible person. I kill puppies so people will appreciate me, but that plan backfired.
 
xD
@Suja hes trolling you
dont take him serious
 
So now I'm that "crazy guy with a machete", but I'm just a guy, with a bloody machete, looking for acceptance.
 
@Zirak are u really looking for an "ACCEPTANCE"?? i doubt :-D
and by the way what all things can we communicate with your robot?
 
1:38 PM
!!/tell Suja help
 
All explained there ^
I should probably work on it though...
 
@Zirak
well, so is Caprica available at all the other rooms?
 
No. Only in rooms people ask her to be in. She's usually here and in the sandbox. Click on her avatar to the right to see the rooms she's currently in
 
(I'll be back in ~2 minutes. Zirak needs to switch partitions.)
 
1:44 PM
hmm.. how much did it took u for Caprica?
to specify, the time duration? @Zirak
 
@Suja It was developed over the last year and a half. But the time I actually put in? I haven't a clue
 
@Zirak okay.
can u suggest me a good place from where i can learn a language like, HTML?
 

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