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m59
10:00 PM
Let's try again :)
one moment
 
Okay, but how can we know it doesn't solve the real issue, if we don't know it
 
@Loktar You may have seen this, but if you haven't, I'm sorry forums.steampowered.com/forums/…
 
has anyone ever used jQuery Address?
 
oh great
Rlemon is gone
 
@Demorus Don't worry, he'll be back soon enough
 
10:04 PM
hey amaan
 
@Demorus why, what do you need?
 
I need to figure out a problem with a style of soundmanager2.js
here the question : http://rolfvohs.com/audio_samples.php Why does the text stay hidden when the player plays or pauses in firefox and ie but not in chrome? Any idea on how I could achieve this? I think im missing something out here.
basically it animates, like drops down and stays hidden when you hover over the player, and should remain hidden when it plays or pauses. Not sure why its not working in chrome.
I think if you try out the player in both chrome and firefox you will understand better what I mean. However, this literally drives me insane.
ok nevermind. It happens in firefox too
 
@phenomnomnominal how did you do your hover transitions on your website?
 
I tried firebug and all but it just doesnt seem to work. Im not sure what I have to do to keep the text at line-height: 800px when the user plays the music or pauses it
 
I assume with something like this:
$(element).hover(function() {
    $(this).addClass('cssClassWithTransitions');
},
  function() {
    $(this).removeClass('cssClassWithTransitions');
});
 
10:09 PM
Does jshint pass jshint?
 
yo zirak
 
I hate my site though, redesigning right now
 
no one can help me with jQuery Address?
 
didnt know you were here
 
@phenomnomnominal was that for me?
 
10:09 PM
A shocker, really
 
maybe you can kind of find what the issue could be
 
@benlevywebdesign yep
 
@phenomnomnominal so its not done with only css?
 
the transitions are yes
 
you can do animations using transitions or jquery animate
 
10:10 PM
Oh actually
Mayber they're done on :hover
I'll look
 
ah so then whats the javascript for?
 
you dont need js for transitions
just for old browsers as a fallback
you can use jquery animate for that
 
@benlevywebdesign, yeah sorry I was just thinking out loud, I didn't actually look
.project:hover .mask {
      -webkit-transform: translate(-20px, -20px) rotate(0deg);
         -moz-transform: translate(-20px, -20px) rotate(0deg);
          -ms-transform: translate(-20px, -20px) rotate(0deg);
           -o-transform: translate(-20px, -20px) rotate(0deg);
              transform: translate(-20px, -20px) rotate(0deg);
    }
etc.
 
rlemon!
finally lol
 
!!/ listCommands
 
10:13 PM
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!!/ RLHD
 
@phenomnomnominal rlemon: Rlemon HelpDesk speaking, how may I direct your question?
 
lol
let me poop, get a drink, have a smoke and i'll be ready to help!
 
@phenomnomnominal what do you think about my use of hovers
 
lol
fine! :D
 
10:14 PM
@benlevywebdesign, honestly, I hate them as much as I hate the ones on mine
 
I love animations and transitions
great thing
 
@phenomnomnominal why
 
@benlevywebdesign I just hate the font a little bit more on yours. but you didn't ask about it
 
I even managed to create a website made up of many divs and made that into a futuristic 3d sphere that can be moved and rotated with the mouse
 
The whole site really lacks cohesion
 
10:16 PM
link me to that site
 
There's a whole bunch of different things going on, none of which are really complementary
 
@phenomnomnominal what don't you like about the hovers and what about the font do you hate?
 
let me see that site.
 
The hovers just seem fairly random, just thrown in there for no particular reason. How do they relate to anything else on the page? I don't like that I don't know what ones are videos until I hover. I don't like that I lose the titles when I hover
 
So I feel this is worth sharing: My gf has a blackberry and one of the emoticons is a hugging person. the text to get it is "({})"... yea.. a vagina... so having an android I only see the vagina... because of this we no longer say "hugs and kisses" we say "Vaginas and kisses"... no one understands and we get a LOT of strange looks.
 
m59
10:18 PM
@phenomnomnominal pastebin.com/Mr4u8YXw This is a VERY basic version of the overall thing (demo at the url)
Look at the very end
 
@rlemon you ready yet? lol
 
not yet.
 
grrrr
 
@m59 GLOBALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
m59
@phenomnomnominal oops, I ran both functions. Ought to be just one or the other at a time.
 
10:19 PM
@Demorus post it anyways I'll look in a min
 
m59
goodness gracious.
I told you I use namespaces.
 
@benlevywebdesign add this to p.worktext { letter-spacing: 1px; font-weight: bold; }
 
but but but .... where are they!
 
What's the biggest (line-count wise) js project you can think of?
 
@rlemon grrrrr! ok >:) rolfvohs.com/audio_samples.php if you click on the player you will know whats wrong
 
10:20 PM
@phenomnomnominal what do you mean you don't know which ones are videos until you hover?
 
m59
in my head, ready for us when I have a real plan.
 
@Zirak Hello World in DART
 
@benlevywebdesign the little icons on the top left
@m59 - I need to eat/shower etc. I will try to digest that later
 
10:21 PM
@Demorus that the playing thumbnail never stays 'hovered' state?
 
m59
@phenomnomnominal the only part that matters is wher I call the functions at the end lol.
nothing to digest.
when I call function 2, I can change function 1. Simple as that.
cant*****
 
@m59 - rewrite in in CoffeeScript and just use inheritance.
 
@Demorus btw I like the overall design. Could use some colour.. just a suggestion.
 
@rlemon well basically you see those titles right? if you hover they go down and hide. Now if you click on the player and you leave the area the text appears again behind the circle
 
Someone star this:
 
10:23 PM
subtle colours and patterns to not make it look so white
 
2 mins ago, by rlemon
@Zirak Hello World in DART
 
...you can
 
m59
Using inheritance, playerOnly(options); doesn't do crap.
 
@Zirak dojo toolkit
 
lulno, the actual message, not my link to the message
 
10:23 PM
IIRC, it's over 1MB of files
 
no but then you would have a class for each version of the player
 
2 mins ago, by rlemon
@Demorus that the playing thumbnail never stays 'hovered' state?
 
just cleaner in my opinion
 
m59
that's excactly what I have tried to do every day for like 3 months. Nothing accomplishes that.
 
instead of repeating what I just said... yes would have worked ;)
 
10:24 PM
yeah the icons only tell you what kind of work it is or format of the work. Like the digital audio ones are videos but its audio
 
NOTHING?
That's bold
 
@FlorianMargaine bitchin
 
@benlevywebdesign, yeah I got that, but then the icons are redundant? either way they're distracting
 
m59
please not another reference to John Resig - Simple JavaScript Inheritance :)
 
@rlemon if you mean by thumbnail the text then ya. It never stays on hovered state
 
10:25 PM
@phenomnomnominal so get rid of them?
 
@m59 - seriously, you could do it quite easily
@benlevywebdesign I think so
 
.... @Demorus and border-radius - if not: it should be.
 
m59
please, please, please tell me how.
 
oh btw @Zirak, I like to have the 80 column-thingie, but I also like to have plenty of space around -- thus your thing of limiting the window to 80c width isn't good -- I'd rather have something like colorcolumn of vim
 
get a good extends function, write some classes, have init functions in each one, that calls the super init function
 
10:26 PM
which I haven't found btw --- if you have it, I'd gladly take it
 
@benlevywebdesign, also, I think you should get rid of the red?
 
@phenomnomnominal the red on the hover?
 
@rlemon border radius is ok, supposed to revert back. Its actually just that stupid text that stays behind the players progress bar. It should remain at line-height:800px after player has been clicked or paused
 
@benlevywebdesign nah, the whole site
 
@phenomnomnominal why?
 
m59
10:27 PM
Be back in a bit...
 
It doesn't look nice with that blue
 
@rlemon what do you think about my work section
 
@Demorus constructive design comment: border-radius and text.. looks MUCH better than reverting the radius on hover.
hover states (to me) depict an action. You are stopping the action from the middle button, there is no more action on the thumbnail amiright?
 
That #myAnchor3 would reason enough for not hiring you :p
2
 
@benlevywebdesign, I think you should use the 1st person
 
10:30 PM
So ProTip: from a UX stand point do not revert the border-radius onmouseout if the player is active.
and in aprox 3 minutes I'll look at the actual code.
:P
 
And quietly: "A statement about his skill set and work:" is a bit strange
 
@phenomnomnominal on my bio because I have seen it done and have been told to do 3rd person
 
Do you believe everything you are told?
 
Bio's by definition are third person narrative.
 
It's just very impersonal
 
10:31 PM
AutoBio is first person.
 
@rlemon ya but I really dont understand what is going on there though. Well I wrote the entire website CSS, animations and html and some scripts except for the core player styles
 
@Demorus who wrote the code?
plugins? templates? wordpress? you?
 
@phenomnomnominal I have looked at other professional sites and they do that
 
again, I haven't opened the source yet. I wanna get a feel first :P
 
@rlemon, and for a personal design site, that you wrote yourself, it should be 1st person?
 
10:32 PM
@phenomnomnominal only if the title of the secion is autobiography or anything but "biography"
 
@rlemon so yeah should it be 1st person or 3rd person
 
the title of the section is : 'A statement about his skill set and work:'
 
depends/
@phenomnomnominal tl;dr and just making general statements
 
The whole thing is 3rd person, and it honestly feels strange
 
@rlemon the player uses the soundmanager2 library. It is like Jquery but the style, well im kind of confused why this doesnt work.
 
10:34 PM
@phenomnomnominal my navigation bar used to be this:
 
I think it looks really ugly that the text stays behind the progressbar circle
 
@benlevywebdesign I think that greys and blacks would look much nicer than the red
 
boss is getting me to do some sales training courses and other training because he wants me to be able to do sales as well (no issue here i'll make commissions) but part of the course they did a few days on 'social media and selling yourself' and they strongly suggest 'about author' sections or bios be written 3rd person. However that is the only thing that should be.
now they targeted linkedin as a example and it worked well there.
 
@phenomnomnominal untill yesterday when I decided I got tired of seeing it and changed it
 
but it all depends on what you're trying to achieve
 
10:36 PM
@phenomnomnominal so should I change the red to a different darker red
 
no red at all
 
@Demorus it does.. but I'm just also urging you to understand that also NOT reverting the border as well as NOT reverting the text onmouseout while it is playing is better than just not the text.
 
@benlevywebdesign have you done much colour theory?
 
do you agree with me? when it reverts I think I can click around anywhere again but that isn't true. you now have controls... whereas as a 'thumbnail' (pre hover state) the border indicates a 'anywhere click' area
 
10:38 PM
@rlemon ya I just dont how I stop the text from reverting to its original state onmouseout when it plays
 
yea and I will help you. but before we do lets discuss good user experience and design :)
 
ya some advice is appreciated :D
 
ok. dont revert the damn border! :P
 
@phenomnomnominal. No.
I like the brightness of the white on the navigation bar, so maybe get rid of the red line
 
ok so leave it round?
:D
 
10:39 PM
yes.
also, like i said i like the overall design. but colour and/or patterns are needed
very good place to look
 
@benlevywebdesign Okay, well basically blue and red are quite close together on the colour wheel? so there are colours that look better together than them
 
its my personal website since im actually a musician
wow nice
 
subtlepatterns is FANTASTIC
 
no it's very good. but still, spice it up a little and it won't look so bland.
 
you mean adding a background pattern?
 
10:40 PM
yea
very subtle one
 
nice! thank you so much
 
maybe only in the body.. leave the header
contrast you know
 
@Demorus, yeah it's nice, just very white
a little tiny background will break it up nicely
 
@phenomnomnominal would you like me to revert back to the old navbars for a second for you to look at my site as a whole?
 
this is the main page rolfvohs.com/index.php
you think it will fit adding a background?
 
10:42 PM
love the font
 
can you make the side links (left) somewhere else? side links usually open. I instantly thought it was unfinished or broken.
 
I used font face
 
or have them open to a sub menu
 
yeah the side menu is a bit weird
 
10:42 PM
oh I see what you mean
like make a panel or something out of it
 
just do the background below the heading
 
like the bottom menu opens. I expected the side menus to as well.
 
good idea. In fact I think I should do this.
 
@Demorus I'm not loving all the large rounded corners but I'm picky about how round my corners look on projects that I do
 
once I clicked them I understood.. but for a split second I thought something was wrong.
 
10:43 PM
All the facebook and language stuff up the top takes up too much room
 
ya that is seriously not a good idea. I think a nice panel opening when user hovers over it. Maybe even in 3D.
 
yea move the social media stuff to the bottom or side.
 
transitions feel sluggish
matter of preference, I suppose
 
stuff cluttering your header is very web 2.0 ad ish.
 
^
 
10:45 PM
All the corners are very different
 
all of this is constructive. again, overall the site is very well done. we are now nit picking to help you make it the best it could be
 
Like the heading button corners are different from the side menu corners which is different from the share button
 
ya all criticism is welcome guys
 
yeah what @rlemon said, I like it a lot
 
and I think the idea with the side menu and background is great
 
10:46 PM
night night
 
in fact I will implement those
 
I would take note of the border issue. I don't find if visually offensive but I know a lot of people do.
 
which border issue?
 
different radius on different elements of design
1 min ago, by phenomnomnominal
Like the heading button corners are different from the side menu corners which is different from the share button
 
@Demorus less corner roundness means you get more space on the page for content
 
10:47 PM
whats wrong with that? actually there I wanted something extremely abstract and different
the good thing is the site only has 7 pages, most of them with my music showreel
 
@phenomnomnominal would you like me to revert back to the old navigation so you can see what it looked like before?
 
ok if it's what you wanted cool. again, it's a personal preference - some like it some don't.
 
but I will definately apply the background and the panel. That you so much for the advice
 
20 mins ago, by benlevywebdesign
@rlemon what do you think about my work section
 
ok so did you write the js for this? if so... can I see it?
 
10:49 PM
I just need to get the player issue fixed
 
yea.. and all of the code is minified.
not much help for me
 
you mean the player?
 
@benlevywebdesign loose the icon on the dropdown - otherwise it looks good.
 
@Demorus the play/pause button is a little odd and not that obvious
 
the icon would only be needed if it acted a different function than just clicking on the thumbnail.
or make it action? idk.
 
10:50 PM
well the base is from soundmanager 2, I just added the animations and some css to it
 
@rlemon what do you mean as a different function?
 
ahh. ok there is no initialization code for the sound manager? all auto from html props?
 
yep all auto
 
@benlevywebdesign like if clicking the thumbnail fancyboxed and outline and the icon (with appropriate image) opened the new page or something
idk. be creative :P
 
@rlemon hmm
 
10:52 PM
@benlevywebdesign you already have appropriate headings... so the icons are not informative to the media. And the cursor icon indicates a click to everyone and their dog :P
so the purpose is lost with me (all I'm saying). unless you give it a purpose i'll click it and think it should have had one.
but the hover effect is nice.
 
hey
 
@Demorus i'm getting to you hold on
 
my site looks better with those patterns
 
ohh, hehe
cool.
 
@rlemon "if clicking the thumbnail fancyboxed and outline and the icon" ??
 
10:53 PM
did I write that? wow
ohh. yea. you left out the rest
makes me sound like a turd
 
alright my code works and gives no errors, but its not waiting 1 second after typing to replace, halp? code
 
ok tickle this idea. make the icons all 'open' icons... have all thumbnail clicking open a fancybox. but clicking specifically on the Icon would open a new page with that media and description and shit.
 
Its probably just my timeOut placement in the object
not 100% sure though
 
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            for (var key in bile.shortcuts) {
                this.value = this.value.replace(new RegExp(key, 'gi'), bile.shortcuts[key]);
            }
        }.call(this)
 
@rlemon you mean have a fancybox to make the thumbnail bigger when you clicked on it? Well that would mean to get to the actual work the user clicks would be like:

click thumbnail > click larger thumbnail > click something in the larger thumbnail or something to get to actual page of work
 
10:57 PM
.call(this) iirc will invoke the function when parsed. not when the timeout is run
 
not the issue, but I think I figured it out here: code
 
no.. that would mean click the thumbnail to fancybox. click a link to full view from the fancybox. OR don't click the thumbnail and click the little icon that hovers down and that takes you directly to the content
 
WOW guys
yo rlemon man
 
actually it only works on load but not on typing, fuck
 
thats alot for those tips
 
10:58 PM
AJAX AJAX AJAX - simple question - million dolla reward! :P
 
@Event_Horizon jsfiddle.net/Tjx2U/20 yup I was right.
 
I appreciate your help and my site looks alot better now. I think there is a much better contrast now with the color. Now im adding the panel.
 
@rlemon so why would I use a fancybox? click on any of the motion graphics or digital audio pieces and see what it does (similar to a fancybox I think?)
 
@rlemon ok I pretty much had that earlier but it didn't work, weird
 
@Demorus np. i'm still gonna look at that code. rolfvohs.com/css/animate.min.css but give me a min to unminify this :P
 

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