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Keeping the apps open while holding a connection is not ideal
 
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posted on July 19, 2021 by shows

In this episode, Donn talks dives into his favorite software book: Working Effectively with Legacy Code. He talks about one of the introduction level topics: The Legacy Code Change Algorithm You'll learn what it is and how you can use it as the basis for this new series that will be focused on the book, Working Effectively with Legacy Code. Links from the show Working Effectively with Legacy Co

 
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hi all can anyone solve this stackoverflow.com/q/68436180/15397919
check yo json objects
 
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Tim really loves Kotlin :D
Facts are written. You can not silence me. Gottem
is that the most hated programming language chart?
Tim
Tim
09:03
@Lime that was your conclusion, I told you that was wrong and you didn't believe me
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This was the most starred message last year on this day:
Hmm. Actually, nothing interesting was said on this day last year.
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10:17
any chatters in chat?
10:29
me me me
good talk
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ty
xd
sup t dogg
Tim
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10:49
nm u?
working half dead
as usual lol
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11:02
same
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hi5
 
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Tim
Tim
\o
How you guys doing?
How was the weekend
full of beer
what about yours?
jetpack vs flutter
pretty similar
13:26
@grrigore noice
@grrigore man it was fantastic, I was in Harz
zip lane?
did you get that on tape?
13:56
yep
wanna see?
well here is the link anyway
yes
man
is that a scream haha
this is mental
14:20
yeah im a bit afraid of heights so that was a scream
I'm terrified lol
Folks, I found a string resource value defined in string.xml when choosing Basic Activity template as Hello second fragment. Arg: %1$s. But this value is never used.
nice
I wonder, what is the Arg: %1$s for?
string with args
14:28
OK. Could you give an example to use it?
google it
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A: Are parameters in strings.xml possible?

Pedro LobitoIf you need two variables in the XML, you can use: %1$d text... %2$d or %1$s text... %2$s for string variables. Example : strings.xml <string name="notyet">Website %1$s isn\'t yet available, I\'m working on it, please wait %2$s more days</string> activity.java String site = "site.tld"; String d...

@grrigore: OK. THanks \0 (end of discussion).
jackpot
Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood Afternoon Everyone!!!! :D
14:51
heya womps
How is it going??
not too bad, feeling kind of crappy today though D: hbu?
i got confined 'cause i had contact with a covid positive people xD
so i have 10 days of remote work ahead of me >.<
oooof xD
that sucks
do you have vaccine?
1st one
15:02
well thats good!
yep
I have this workfriend that is super confusing xD
he has the body of a 70 year old man but the maturity level of a teenager
and he's 31
hahah
he has: gout, diabetes, balding, had prostate cancer, had his gall bladder removed, and a couple other old people diseases
but he gets scared of the dark, scared of lightning, scared if he's alone
lmao it's truly kind of hilarious
but also i feel bad for him
D:
poor guy
15:07
yeah :\ haha he's also super catholic and gay
I imagine he must be very confused about that
15:21
oh yeah of course
being religious is his fault tho
15:46
xD
Tim
Tim
@ballBreaker I'm 31 :thinking:
2 messages moved to Trash can
reminds me of that
@Tim hahaha I hope you have had less physical issues
16:04
o/
16:15
o/
@DaveS for $200, "The blue color in the sky"
What is refraction?
sorry the answer is "What's up?"
damn
16:16
got 'em
oh shit we getting the band back together?
how's that startup lyfe?
Tiring lmao
16:17
but pretty good
Thought of you the other day - saw a poster for that comedy dating group - OkStupid
LMAO
I actually went out to dinner on Saturday and there was a table full of okcupid people who were catching up
Every time I run into someone in NYC I kinda feel like it doesn't make sense still in my head
like a city of millions of people and I run into people at restaurants? wild
Tim
Tim
people need to eat, adam
its better than running into them with your car, at least
16:20
*usually
16:35
@Ahmad new music
how rude adam, carl asked you how work is and you didn't even ask him about his job
And yeah, I am enjoying working here.
When you're a celebrity like Adam you don't have to care about other people.
#selfish
well have to say I'm disappointed now
If this is what it took for you to finally be disappointed in Adam, you are a better person than I
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I've been disappointed in Adam for years, he sets the bar quite low
I mean, disappointed below the bar, expectations were low already
16:50
Anyone here lives in Serbia?
I think @IvanMilisavljevic does
17:15
@Taseer yeah whats up?
Tim
Tim
17:35
he's gonna ask if you have seen his profile pic
17:54
has he?
Mab
Mab
Good day Geeks and Nerds
Mab
Mab
The load time of Java is slower than most other languages .... [mab] python3 <ENTER> and the interpret starts up immediately. [mab] jshell <ENTER> takes a lifetime to start-up. Not to even talk of the memory usage. Swring "Hello World" window uses 24mb whereas Python idle window uses 13 mb
Swing*
thanks for sharing
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Mab
I was in the lookout for a lightweight java ide, but the moment a 3mb tIDE consumes 350 mb of ram, I gave up
18:04
Java is better than python. Good things take time
That's why
Mab
Mab
3mb is the size of the ide jar file
Java is a completely virtualized environment, python is interpreted scripting language run on C++
for high volume computation, Java will yield better performance than python but yes it has overhead
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Mab
Technically speaking I can't find any iDE will less consumption except I will settle for editors right?
C++ has the best performance but it's less portable
VS Code is great, never used it for java though
I've always done java in Eclipse or Android Studio, a lot of people like IntelliJ/JetBrains
but yeah you're typically gonna have higher overhead in a fully featured IDE
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Thanks @DaveS @grrigore I know now. I'll see to vs code java plugin
18:13
lowest overhead is probably using an editor and building/executing code through the cmd prompt for java, if you care
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Mab
Really? What does that save? For auto completion , the editor must have loaded the plugin right? So what does opening a terminal for javac and java saves?
you wouldn't have autocompletion or built in tools with just a text editor
Like basic textpad+ style
it saves you ram overhead whic his what it sounds like you care about
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@DaveS I thought that's the purpose of the java plugin?
I'm saying bb's approach wouldn't have a plugin
that would be the lowest possible overhead
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18:20
Hmmm @ballBreaker ok, I'll try that out
It's been a long time since I regularly developed in vim with command line
lol yeah I think I did it a few times in university .. more annoying than it's worth imo
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@DaveS ohh I get it now, yeah that's just like writing java with vim. I don't think Java's verbosity permits that. Seems it's only C I can write from terminal
yea I think it's annoying @ballBreaker
yeah I would just try out vs code
yeah ^ +1
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18:27
@CarlAnderson you have another window for the methods to call and javadoc?
that was back when I was writing C++
and back then you looked up the methods to call in a book
this was before handheld calculators were invented as well keep in mind
so carl had to use his abacus for calculations
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Ohhh, what a moment that would have been
Any application that must be compiled to machine code, will eventually be written in Assembly. :-)
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Says who
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Hahaha, have you ever written asm?
Or, what's assembly
Tim
Tim
a/s/l?
assembly code is so annoying
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I will see this
@Tim 14/f/cali maybe we can exchange pics on msn?
18:49
I only have AIM and ICQ
my aim is smarterchild
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@ballBreaker female?? 😬
lol
Tim
Tim
@ballBreaker nice 38/m/alabama when are u free
36/m/alabama, I think we're cousins, I'm free tonight
@DaveS lmao classic
Tim
Tim
@ballBreaker nvm I just made other plans
18:56
oh sorry i was just about to respond that you are too young for me
geriatric or gtfo is what I always say
19:24
If you ain't at least 68, don't expect 69
Hola
Is this bar still open?
are you at least 68?
Not quite yet
Close tho
sorry, bb isn't interested
I have drama for bb, I am pretty sure he likes that
19:30
feel free to leave it here for him (and everyone else) to read
And here I was hoping we would have a nice conversation, not just me pouring my pathetic adventures here for your sadistic enjoyment. sigh.
So we are calling it drama now
Of course, what did you though the d was for? D is for Drama (and C is for cookies)
xD
I'm curious what the drama is
also hey nya o/
I was mostly baiting you. But I can update you on my epic love life if you are so desperate for stupid stories!
19:35
hmmm I do enjoy comisserating on the shared miserable experiences of others with their dating lives
gimme the juicy update
Well, I've been talking to a new girl. Cute, geeky, lots of common interests. Pretty good so far (about last week). Then three days in she moved. So lost communication for a few days. Turns out she moved out of Montreal. Maukay. Managed to get her discord because dating apps suck. Get in the discord server. It's a weeb server, with a furry artist spamming in the craft section. Me getting anxious. Still have fun talking to her. When she responds. Turns out she is very rarely online, so [1/X]
ooof lmao
did she move to maukay? I have no idea where that is
... it's a miracle if we exchange three words in a day. Mentionned I was thinking about asking if she wanted to meet last week end, but she was busy. She suggested we do that on evening this week. Exchanged maybe 5 messages since, but she hasn't responded in almost 48h. [2/2]
No, it's me disappointed making the same noise as the principle in South Park
xD
where did she move to??
I had deleted all the dating apps on my phone for a while, felt bored, reinstalled, insta matched and insta dived backed in the spiral of overthinking shit.
19:40
That's truly some unfortunate luck right there
Laval, it's like 40 minutes away or so.
ahhh yeah I know the place
Well that's not horrible at least
Dunno
but far from ideal
I'm telling myself that when I'm interested in someone, I try to get to know them. But you know, me and dumb expectations
Did that satisfy your drama needs, people?
19:41
I've mostly given up on dating apps entirely, I've taken about 6 months off with 2 attempts to try it again, and each time I last about 0-3 days before I want to delete them again
I don't meet anyone outside of that. I might need to consider adopting a herd of cats
yeah I'm in a similar boat, although I've been meeting a few people outside of them in the past month
most have boyfriends tho lmao
Complicates things quite a bit :P
haha yeah
It's hard to keep expectations low on dating apps sometimes.. it feels a lot different than real life
You'd think people are there for the same reasons as you. You'd be wrong.
19:44
too many opportunities to get an idea about someone in your head that doesn't really exist in person
and yeah, lol that's very true
some people just do it because they're bored, some do it just for attention, some do it for money/instagram followers, some do it for love, some do it for casual flings
Anyway
What's up for all of you? Havent been here in some time
not much new on my end! Literally been probably zero changes in my life since we talked last lolol except toronto is opening up more and more now
Still single though, and still working the same job.. I do have a meeting with my bosses boss in 12 minutes to discuss my future at the company lool so that should be interesting
I was getting worried that the good programming opportunities are being outsourced, or have the potential for me to be phased out in the next year or two so I want to have a discussion with him. We are planning to rewrite our existing apps in new architecture of the 21st century
lol so I'm gonna see if I can get put directly on a team with the vendor that's chosen for that to assist with coding/design/etc on those new applications so that I don't get
A) pigeonholed into ancient legacy programming roles
b) screwed out of any future support/enhancements on these apps because I dont know anything about the code
Good luck then! Nice way to end a monday, with a meeting :P
haha yeah, I was supposed to do it 2 weeks ago, and then last week (but I was sick).. so it's been kind of looming over my head for some weeks now
excited to get the talk over with.. I hate this kind of stuff
It's nothing really important, only a meeting about your future :P Don't like those either
19:53
hahaha yeah
basically if I don't do this and make my desires known, then I could get shafted without them even being aware that they are shafting me
Why is that there are always like 10x more boys on dating apps while the population is somewhat equal
I think my bosses idea of what he wants for me is slightly different than what I want for myself
worst case scenario you can always intern without pay @ my company
@asim because girls get asked out IRL way more than boys do
there's also Dr. Johnson's dick pic effect
as more bros join a dating app more dick pics are sent which drives away the female users which leads to more desperation thus more dick pics
it's a lot like the carbon cycle heating our planet currently
19:56
@DaveS hahaha do people actually do that in the US?
We do it for college students with 0 experience that ask for a job we didn't post
makes sense
@ballBreaker we can't assume that most of the girls have boyfriends but most of the boys don't have girlfriends, it means boys with girlfriends have multiple girlfriends?
I also have multiple boyfriends
19:57
Ah, okay, makes sense
@DaveS do you have vacancy for more?
depends on how much you're willing to contribute to my only fans
@asim but yeah, typically men try to play the quantity game, and women try to play the quality game.. and dating apps are catered more to quantity than quality
I feel like something is broken in dating module of the universe
You think?
I think they used cordova for that part
20:02
I think it was developped and designed by interns
those are the only people who use cordova
I seen "never have i ever" , it appears to depict real world from the girls side < if true, the code is broken for sure
You'll need to explain this one a bit more cause missing refs here
Its for school/college girls and their strugle of getting boyfriends
I only watched that to get an idea of what the world looks like from the girls side
20:09
I mean you just asked to be my boyfriend so maybe there's more to it
Code is broken
Remember seeing that a while ago
I only trust in real world verifiable examples
basically if you're single, you're ugly
sorry boys
20:37
@DaveS great song
sorry for late reply
woah creeping back to Feb 2020?
Just listened to it all the way through
that video is twice as old as you are
hahaha
tis true
20:43
alright well that talk basically just confirmed my worries lol so I'm at a bit of a loss
Stay at a company that I love but stop developing sooner than I want to, or move to a company that I might hate in order to keep developing
Do you guys know punchbowl.com?
nvm i see
does it come with a pay raise bb?
it would yeah, it'd be a role change/promotion, but it'd be along the lines of either a solution/business analyst (yuck) or some sort of systems architect. In terms of immediately available roles at least
don't they need someone to oversee the outsourced work?
hmm that being said, my favorite coworker just became the manager of architecture so that might not be so bad
@JBis yeah that's the systems architect role I think
20:47
so why not do that, take the pay increase, and see if you like it? you can always look for new position if you don't
@DaveS Sounds fairly accurate here
@JBis Yeah, I guess I get worried because I've already slightly pigeonholed myself into legacy development by having done java5/6 for like 4 years now lol
so if I add more time onto that where I'm doing no programming - it'd be quite hard to land a development role
System Architect is a great role, you can code on the side
assuming I didn't do any side projects in the mean time
yeah I was thinking that might be a nice intermediate role actually
it certainly has higher tier pay and upward mobility in the company
eventually you become too valuable to keep coding
and you either don't get raises or move up anyway
20:49
I'd probably continue to do some of my programming stuff since there would be a gap there if I didn't, and in the meantime learn the new role and yeah exactly, way more upward mobility
@ballBreaker if you are reviewing what the outsourced people are doing you'll still be interacting with code right? and newer stuff
I'm not sure that I'd actually be looking at their code or not, but would certainly be evaluating the solution and the architecture of their solutions
all the fun stuff and non of the responsibility
"Coders just suck, it's a good system design"
hahah
yeah so the options aren't bad options but I just gotta really think about what I want to do
the bonus is that as I stop coding for a day job I'll likely pick it up as a hobby, so I won't lose it
but I'm also not sure of how much of a bonus that really is xD
the bonus is you get to pick up and maintain whatever skills you're actually interested in instead of legacy java
20:54
this is true
sex robots here I come
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Tim
Tim
Yo I just got a critical notification, what is it that requires my immediate attention?
I guess I'm just kind of jarred a little bit, as I thought I'd be coding til I was like 35 lolol, but also I guess the earlier I make a role change like this the better in terms of the ceiling of possibilities
@Tim did you really? it might be because someone starred a forbidden word
please direct your anger towards the person who starred it and not me, the user who typed it, Thank you
please star it as a form of protest
I'm gonna go before Tim needs to crack down on the group to make an example
Have a good day folks!
ban here I come
cya nya o/
Tim
Tim
21:02
Please carry on, my days of caring are long over
haha yeah I figured
did you get a warning that I said the s word
he must have subbed to the rss feed chat.stackoverflow.com/feeds/search/sex
Tim
Tim
I just wanted to make a joke about getting a notification when people talk about sex robots
lmao
wow
I looked in there and immediately saw me on a different comment
SEX ROBOTS
21:05
@Tim lmao
this is why I love you tim
@JBis its weird seeing my name in there liek 10 times yet the feed is so small
mine opens a download
lets try chrome
chrome opens it
On a scale of 1-10, how illegal would it be to scrape a website called punchbowl, to make a free alternative called punchplate?
lmao
highly
21:12
but their website is such a scam
do the first half without the second half and it's basically legal as it'd be incredibly hard to prove I imagine
Tim
Tim
just say you are just a teen and trying to learn some things and having fun and they will let you off the hook
but you essentially shut your lawsuit by being that blatant about it
and i'm 85% sure it has xss issues
server costs and content creation
just because you don't think they add value doesn't mean you can just rip them off
21:14
:(
yeah after looking at it, the actual creation of the cards would be a lot of work
you couldn't steal that without serious consequences
what if after i did it i sent them one of these
gonna go buy shares in punchbowl so I can sue you as a shareholder
21:41
im out for the evening, ciao everyone o/
22:31
took fucking forever because of their stupid filter but yes, it's vulnerable
note to web devs: if you have a text editor that supports bold, underline, etc. that takes user input, don't use HTML to store the input

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