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posted on October 28, 2020 by Nicolas Roard

ConstraintLayout 2.0.3 is now available on the google maven repository: dependencies {   implementation 'androidx.constraintlayout:constraintlayout:2.0.3' } or if using the android.support packages: dependencies {   implementation 'com.android.support.constraint:constraint-layout:2.0.3' } Documentation & Examples Documentation is available on https://developer.android.com

 
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Oct 29 '19 at 19:03, by AdamMc331
IT STILL HURTS OKAY
10:23
Greetings!
hello raghu, been a while, hope everything's well with you
evertyhings good.
yes its been a while since i chatted here
How have you been?
10:54
pretty good :)
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posted on October 28, 2020 by CommonsWare

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12:57
windows users here, what do you guys use (if anything) for anti-virus/malware for personal pc's?
laughs in declarative OS
13:10
@JBis Windows defender on auto mode
BTW, I use Arch
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Tim
Tim
@JBis I don't do weird shit on my PC
13:18
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hm... I can't reject apj123?
anyway
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so we are facing a second lockdown in Germany...
what do you guys use (if anything) for anti-virus/malware for personal pc's? <-- i use McAfee® Total Protection in my pc
hmmm
“I have read and understood the rules”
welcome
13:25
thanks taseer
@Wini a mask...
a mask i dont get you?
@WarrenFaith I saw you have a lot of cases now
mostly western europe seeing a 2nd wave much larger than the first
15k a day
we are indeed on a higher cases per day than in the first wave
we had like 7k or so in the first wave max
in india 36k per day
13:35
well, now compare 82 million vs 1.4 billion (just guessed?)
yeah correct guess
almost 1.4b anyway :D
whats happening with france there cases got a huge spike
almost 50k cases a day
people get lazy... and stupid
yes :D
today 18.8k cases in Poland
like a friend of mine talked with a fit guy in the store and asked him politely to put on the mask. She said the slurs and swearing was the harmless part. She felt close to be beaten
and nobody in the store did something...
13:39
damn
in the first wave we had at least some security guys who only let people in with masks properly attached to the face
@WarrenFaith at the very least we can plot people stupidity in this pandemic xD
but last week I was in a big store for building tools etc and even the employees there where like wearing the mask only halfway or even below the mouth
like wtf are they thinking?!
in my country there is a guy claiming he cures people with vitamin C, and a lot of antimaskers listen to him
maybe they dont know that mask are required to be wear till nose xD
13:41
we have some people still claiming this is all a hoax...
i heard vitamin D helps in curing corona not sure about C
lmao haox started by merkel then?
I think most of them really need a case in the closer family/friendship to realize that it is a shitty virus
what will starting this haox do?
he also cures cancer with vitamin C
Of course! Merkel is a Lizard!
13:42
oh fuck must be gods descendant then
people are stupid, we need accept that fact
and no, they never heard of keyframes and encoding...
@AdamsLostKeyStore it's believed to be a correlation between deficiency in Vit D and severity of the covid
@Pochmurnik XD
ah i see yeah read something along those lines
so basically vitamin D will screw europeans since they get very less sunlight?
@WarrenFaith lol that video
13:46
so apparently, a good sun exposure during summer should provide the individual enough Vit D for the rest of the year
This sunday there is All Saints' Day in Poland, I think that 1 week later people will start dying on hospital parking spots
@Mehdi normally right? what about covid scenario?
yeah with everyone staying home, Vitamine supplements are the only answer :/
true
@Pochmurnik how is the situation there?
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@Taseer @Tim ok thats what i thought. I usually just do windows defender + malwarebyes
14:21
who uses windows in 2020 anyway
windows users, duh
Tim
Tim
15:05
also don't care much for viruses. I don't have anything important on my PC and I am confident all my data is already being sold and shared by all the big shady corporations
Tim
Tim
15:40
buying contents of removed message
404 of gif url
y u lie
Indeed, JBis is lying
He was professing his support for the red wave in the US
sssshhh dont tell him
are you worried he labels you and puts you in one specific mental basket?
15:50
@Tim I once got a virus that took down my android studio, visual studio and intellij idea, nothing else, trust me it was worse than you can imagine
It wasn't a virus, it was a test to identify heathens who don't use Vim
Tim
Tim
you asked for it when you decided to do android dev on windows
or any dev
I intentionally gave my last laptop a virus
15:58
just do that instead, win the race
infection is inevitable so just get it over with
if we develop herd immunity by all having viruses then the viruses can't hurt us anymore
bb - 1
security experts - 0
 
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@AdamsLostKeyStore not good, 70% of ventilators are in use and 2nd wave just started
17:30
o/
on my smaller monitor your name is just AdamsLost which makes me lose the game
hey Carl
17:59
been a while
how's it going Dave
doing alright, back in the office
how are things with you?
lol
@DaveS creative name right?
started my new job on Monday
working for a startup: www.jaxjox.com
I had thought I'd be the only Android engineer, turns out I have a China team now
oh hey carl!
@DaveS fuck you
I'm having problems in setting proguard rules file
18:06
that'll teach me for reading Dave's messages
sounds like someone lost the game
3
^ starring this will make even more people lose
@CarlAnderson I'll pray for you
@DaveS you star slut
yeah but you know you want to do it anyway
The Game is stupid
I've never played it
the game is non consensual
18:07
yeah it's not something you actively play otherwise you lose
yeah I don't care
in fact, I don't care so much I'm pinning
haha
I wonder how many people lost during the time period in which The Game was a popular rapper
does anyone know how long Android Play Store submissions are taking lately?
first build or version update?
first build
18:11
I've seen those take a few days last few we've done
would a week be out of the question?
a week would be at the edge of my estimation boundary
18:40
@CarlAnderson congratulations !!! And welcome back :)
18:50
thx
Tim
Tim
19:02
@Curio why
-keep class !com.lol.superlol.megalol.ultralol.MainActivity.** doesn't work -_-
19:52
@Pochmurnik here the number of people in intensive care units has doubled in the past 10 days
20:03
yikes
where are you now, again?
germany?
our second wave right now is worse than our first was :\ lol
Yeah, berlin. And same for us, it barely started and it's already worse than the first
damnn
yeah honestly as much as it sucks for the kids and parents I feel like they should have kept schools closed here indefinitely until a vaccine. But I'm also not an expert
20:23
not be outdone, the US's second wave is bigger than ever, its yuuge
haha you mean "second" wave right
this is like your guy's third increase of the first wave
if there's a crest it's a wave
so 3rd
we're just building the biggest wave
nothing to see here
it's gonna smash into the shores of corruption and bring democracy to the world
can't wait
20:32
it's coming for your commie healthcare
#freefreehealthcare
@DaveS hahaha
did someone say socialism?
thats what they all say
yes, everyone does want socialism
20:41
socialize me daddy government
so @JBis did you get your parents permission to watch Borat 2 yet?
Just your mother's, last night
I guess as long as any adult accompanies you to watching it, it's fine
are you 18 yet?
no that's in like a month right
Less
like 1.5 weeks
can't believe JBis will finally be 18 months old
Boomer
20:52
I wish, then I'd have a functioning economy in the prime of my career
@ballBreaker XD
lmao dave
@DaveS damn I honestly can't even imagine that
I've barely had a stable/functioning economy at any point during my life now
lol Dave
Key points:
Millennials may dominate the US workforce, but recent Fed data finds they only hold 4.6% of US wealth.
That's 10 times less than the 53.2% of US wealth that baby boomers hold, Bloomberg reported.
Hold or held
20:55
did I stutter?
you obv accumulate wealth as you get older
> A generational wealth gap makes sense because millennials are younger, but the difference is starker than it should be because economic forces have left millennials financially behind.
> When boomers were millennials' age in 1989, according to the Fed data, they held 21.3% of US wealth. That's four times the 4.6% that millennials hold today.
Well that's a terrible metric
How exactly?
you should read the article before commenting
It should be done in dollar amount and then change for inflation
20:56
% of total wealth naturally accounts for inflation
lol JBis
Yes but it doesn't account for the fact that the US maybe has more money
Beyond inflation
I'm confused
your point isn't wrong @DaveS you just used horrible evidence to back it up
it's a total wealth percentage
20:58
you haven't made a convincing argument the evidence is horrible
lol yeah
well, he has strong feelings about it Dave
If bb and I both have $5, then in 10 years (not accounting for inflation ) he has $10, it doesn't mean I have any less money
I still have $5
yes, but then you only have 1/3 of the money, and he has 2/3s
instead of half and half
So what
he earned it
21:00
that's called inflation
well knowing bb he probably didn't earn it
if the price of goods continue to go up because there's more money
but the pay stays the same
when you account for inflation you have less
No
More money isn't inflation
21:01
purchasing power is inflation, prices rise in response to more money being available
I'm not talking about inflation tho. I said I have the same amount of money not taking into account inflation.
the point is, bb's wealth increase is completely independent of mine
> It should be done in dollar amount and then change for inflation
yes, fine so now I have $6 instead of $5 and he has $11
same difference
I think we're getting off topic here
Inflation isn't the issue
21:02
the share of profits that are paid to the workers in form of wages has gone down
So what
that limits the purchasing power of the younger generations
arguably
more and more people graduate with higher levels of debt and the inability to purchase a home
despite having graduate degrees
it's not arguably, it's statistical fact
it can be tied to the fall of unions and the stagnation of the minimum wage
as well as the reduction in the top tax rates
Not with the evidence you've provided
21:04
the evidence I provided was that the share of the economy that boomers enjoyed at our age was 4x larger
dude its a very simple thing to prove
you haven't made a clear point as to what you want me to prove
Compare the $ amount of boomer generation, account for inflation, and compare to $ amount of today
inflation takes into account cost of goods
inflation alone is imperfect you also have to adjust for the cost of living
Just cause the rich got richer doesnt mean the poor got poorer because cash could have entered the system
21:06
home prices and rent have outpaced inflation by a huge margin
so whats your point?
essentially productivity has increased and cost of living has increased when accounting for inflation but wages have not
it's crippling the economy because you're having a generation of people growing up unable to afford basic needs
and the wealth gap reflects that
hash tag kill all boomers so the money funnels back down to millenials
hash tag round 2 lets do it again
@DaveS ok, so if we increase the minimum wage will that fix everything?
no, we need to increase labor protections and encourage higher wages and investment in the workforce
and we need to tie minimum wage at a minimum to inflation
instead of the stagnant flat rate we have now
21:11
ok i dont disagree with that
but i don't think trickle up economics works any better than trickle down did
independent studies have shown trickle up economics return more money to the economy than is spent
the reverse is true for trickle down, it returns less than spent
I never really understood the justification for trickle down, at all. Giving people with more money than they can spend the responsibility to spend all the money
like how does that make ANY sense lol
it doesn't
trickle up works on the premise that when people can't afford basic needs and you give them money they will spend it and be better equipped to be productive which generates money in the economy
it only works when people can't meet a basic standard of living to be productive which is the case today
here's my issue
21:13
small businesses do better when their local population has money to spend at their stores
i don't think rich people are responsible with their money. I also don't think poor people are responsible with their money.
I don't think that's either relevant or a judgement you're equipped to make
rich people and poor people are the same people just with more or less money, it's not in itself a categorization of people in my mind
which is why I don't think the economy should be stimulated with money
the better idea is equipping people with the tools and environment to make themselves money
that means investing in education among other things
and healthcare maybe so they are healthy enough to work and housing maybe so they can shower and food maybe so they are fed?
21:15
yes
but not eliminating private healthcare
didnt know there was a bunch of commies in here
now what if studies showed that it was cheaper and more effective to remove the administrative costs of dictating where the money went and just giving people cash to spend on what they needed most?
i would say great, i'm sure its cheaper. Giving people cash will almost always be cheaper
21:17
and more effective
?
But thats in an ideal world
where people spend the money in a responsible way. Again I don't believe people will.
what if I told you there was UBI studies taking place right now showing promising results?
i'd say there are studies to show whatever you need them to show
im not discrediting them but i am sure there are studies that are on the contrary
im also sure there were studies that showed promising results with trickle down in the 80s
no there hasn't really been any studies showing the benefits of trickle down that I'm aware of
this will actually be a pretty interesting time for that, with how many different countries have been giving money for COVID relief
21:21
> The study compared the employment and well-being of basic income recipients against a control group of 173,000 people who were on unemployment benefits.

Between November 2017 and October 2018, people on basic income worked an average of 78 days, which was six days more than those on unemployment benefits.

There was a greater increase in employment for people in families with children, as well as those whose first language wasn’t Finnish or Swedish – but the researchers aren’t yet sure why.
@DaveS i also don't like the U part of UBI
> but the researchers aren’t yet sure why.
I mean I get that, but there's benefits to its simplicity
correlation != causation
regarding language and families with children
that wasn't controlled for
but unemployment vs UBI was
I think people generally prioritize food, health, shelter, basic needs before iPhones
and there's people out there who can't afford those things
you're not gonna like this but if you spend your $600 a day on just basic needs theres no money to work towards improvement
21:24
@CarlAnderson a week
I don't have a problem with that JBis
thx
@AdamsLostKeyStore do I know you? What's your original username?
UBI is to provide for basic needs so you have discretionary income for self improvement if you work
@DaveS if you have 10 people who are equally very poor, and you have $1,000. Do you give each $100 or one of them $1,000?
21:25
oh it's CF
it would be each $100
lol somehow cf doesn't realize that people aren't going to instantly recognize a random bit profile pic with a totally different name xD
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and we have enough productivity in the economy to give everyone a basic standard of living
self improvement and growth beyond that is the role I would reserve for capitalism
@adam i have finally found you - Regards, AdamsKeyStore
people aren't gonna want to stay in a shack eating basic food staples but there's no reason people should die on the streets without access to those things
21:26
@ballBreaker hey i expect them to not realize, just that i didnt realize carl wasnt online for days xD
@DaveS thats a lot of words for no answer to the question
haha fair, I think it's been over a month
it's an arbitrary question
its not
I would choose the $100 option
21:27
Months, actually
@JBis he did answer, he said 100 each
Lost my job on Sept 1, haven't really been in here from then until today.
See, I would choose $1,000.
why?
because that's really what matters here
what do you hope to achieve with that $1000?
I think that one person has a better chance of succeeding then 10 people with $100
21:28
I don't trust people to spend money wisely, yet I choose the riskiest option haha
@ballBreaker well yes, but $1000 would represent actual things not cash
that's a very micro level way to view it and reminds me of the prisoner's dilemma
$100 maybe enough for 10 people to survive but its not enough for any of them to thrive
if you have a large population poverty level people and you can bring them to a basic low income standard level of living the entire group will improve through a healthier community vs take 1/10th of them and giving them an upper middle class standard of living
the $1000 option gives someone $900 to "thrive"
21:30
and the reason I said it's arbitrary is you've arbitrarily decided there's only $1000 to go around to make your argument
but that's not the case here
@DaveS sounds interesting i'll take a look
@DaveS im unsure why the amount matters
the point is $1000 isn't enough to make everyone thrive
and my point is there's enough productivity in the economy for everyone to thrive
"productivity"?
production of goods to support the population
you've invented a false scarcity
to make your point
hmm
do you have any stats to back that up? but either way i don't think all should be equal (financially)
21:34
no I don't either
but I think we can afford to house, feed and provide everyone with basic healthcare
many other countries already do
with much smaller economies
well its very expensive
and theres very little incentive for people to accumulate more wealth
im pro the socialized policies only because i think they will allow people be able to thrive eventually (and help with racial inequality) not out of some moral reason
people don't enjoy living in squander though, the incentive is always to have more, that's just human nature
im not convinced about that
personal experience
you cant really study that so its the only thing i have to go off of
21:39
you can, they are called UBI studies
go read some
no....
its not the same
how is it not the same?
ok nvm its the same
@DaveS ok then why not have a requirement
like unemployment?
21:41
like you get it for 3 - 5 years and you have to reapply and show improvement
I don't mind a requirement but UBI could lift everyone up, even middle class families
if you dont then you dont get it
it really depends on the structure
the arguments for UBI is to streamline it and make it simple, maximizing impact through reducing administrative costs
it's also good for the economy for middle class people to afford more vacations etc
alright i gtg but good talk
actually agreed on more today :)
it's because you're older than the last time you two talked
21:42
hisses at bb
hahaha
im off as well, cya gents
JBis did you know that most male brains capacity to make reasonable decisions doesn't fully mature until age 25?
 
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Tim
23:49
it's true

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