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8:00 PM
doesn't make it not a theory
 
yeah so
 
theory != opinion
 
^
 
that's why it's called "the theory of gravity" and "the theory of evolution"
you said hard facts bro
Just using your own semantics against you
 
alright fair enouugh
you got me
 
8:00 PM
yay \o/
 
by that logic i do not believe in gravity or evolution
 
damn
 
begins to float off into the atmosphere
 
are you floating right now bro
 
ok but gravity isn't a theory
 
8:01 PM
yes
 
it is
 
@JBis it most certainly is
 
source please
 
gravity is fake
 
Scientific theories are supported by a body of evidence
 
8:01 PM
gravity is explained by the theory of general relativity
 
if gravity is real then how do planes work
 
it's basic scientific terminology
theory in science != theory in normal conversation
 
@ballBreaker no
thats only einsteins theory
 
when most people say theory what they mean is hypothesis
 
haha
yes, argue this with a physicist
 
8:02 PM
i'm so confused
 
You're just misunderstanding basic scientific terminology because society is stupid
 
gravity has always been a theory, it can't be proven as a scientific fact because the only explanation of gravity is by another theory, whihc is general relativity
 
> OK, pick an object that will not break, dent the floor, cause a mess, or get either of us in trouble
idiots
 
evolution and gravity and every scientific explanation you've ever heard is a theory
laws are the observable facts
theories are the combination of laws into explanations
 
i am now introducing to the world: "The Theory of My Existence" do I exist, or not? we will never truly know
 
8:04 PM
Shouldn't laws technically be theories, since theres no guarantee that they wont change. Of course we'd all die, so it wouldn't much matter...
 
@DaveS ok fair enough
semantics
None of you are real
I'm the star of The Truman show
 
you're right. i'm a bot
 
Flat-earthers can't prove you wrong.
 
one tried
and crashed
 
when I was in like 2nd grade and saw the Truman show, I got changed under the covers for like a week because I was afraid I might be on the Truman show and didn't want people to see me naked
 
8:06 PM
lmao
 
I haven't actually seen the Truman show
 
Don't worry, we still did.
 
great movie
 
that's cause I sent you the pictures twiz
 
@DaveS hahahah that's awesome
 
8:07 PM
I'll add it to my list
 
It's a classic smartytesticles
You'll like
 
wtf
 
are you saying I have testicles
 
bb and dave
 
bold of you to assume
 
8:08 PM
I'm saying they're smart
 
oh
I see
 
|| joke
 
What's the best part about TCP jokes?
I get to keep telling them until you get them.
 
@JBis lmao clearly we're both in a mood
 
JB these jokes are terrible
|| joke
 
8:09 PM
Smarticles101's code 😜
5
 
lmao
 
The bot has attacked me
 
perfect timing
 
wow
IS that randomly in there
that is some perfect damn timing
 
yeah
 
8:10 PM
shit that stuff only happens like once a year
Can't believe this was it
 
i'm setting all my repos to private now so the bot doesn't analyze my code
 
Happy bot-year!
I just realized... I haven't charged my mouse in like a year. lol
 
thats animal abuse
 
Don't worry, its quicker than me. I just like to keep it on its toes.
 
8:14 PM
Trump suggested today using the flu vaccine to prevent coronavirus
 
@Smarticles101 don't worry the bot's prevented from analyzing your code because it would be a bad influence
@CarlAnderson he's got the best words
 
I mean even if that would do literally nothing to solve coronavirus, maybe it would get more people to have the flu shot lol
still a net positive
 
@CarlAnderson BAHA damn
 
8:16 PM
Trumps Steps To Beat Corona
1. Wait it out, but in the mean time....
2. Go to work
3. Don't tell anyone
4. Get a flu vaccine
 
5. Cut CDC budget by billions
6. Donate quarter of yearly presidential salary of $100,000
 
the cdc thing is apparently false, well he tried
 
yeah he tried
 
but who's fact checking snopes?!
 
I like snopes. I think they do a really good job.
 
8:18 PM
haha I'm jk, they seem good
 
@MwBakker See this is why I don't expect the government to do anything.
 
I barely ever see snopes on reddit, so I mean.. how good are they, really???
 
I always go to snopes to see what stupid shit people are believing now
 
I get my news exclusively from the onion
 
sauce?
 
8:19 PM
The onion is weird because all of it seems to be plausible
 
exactly
 
You could actually get a decent amount of news from the onion and still be relatively informed lmao
 
500 milllion / 100 million = 1 million + change
 
is there a snopes on snopes?
 
8:23 PM
Yeah see, asking the real questions
5 mins ago, by ballBreaker
but who's fact checking snopes?!
 
whos fact checking reddit
 
@JBis lmao, FALSE 1 million is wrong because it was actually 1.5 million! OH LMAO that's $1.5
 
but who's fact checking reality?
 
@CarlAnderson death, the ultimate leveler
 
8:26 PM
@CarlAnderson the matrix server maintainers, duh🙄
bb were you actually fooled?
 
I'll admit it, yeah I skimmed it and read that part and thought it said 1.5 million, wrote that, then was like wait a second that doesn't sound right
 
...and they say you need to be good at math to be a programmer
 
honestly never understood that
 
obviously people who are good at languages would be the best
 
8:27 PM
snopesnopes.com
 
general programming does not require good math skills
 
since its you know.. a programming language
 
they were considering making computer sceince a language credit at my school
i think its stupid
 
yeah that's .. dumb
It's not really math and it's not really a language either
 
8:28 PM
it's logic
 
might as well put it into a woodworking credit while you're at it since you're building something
 
it's it's own thing
 
@DaveS lmfao sounds like some people I know
 
is it true its really easy for canadians to become citizens?
 
i'm still waiting for canada to become annexed as the 51st US state
 
8:34 PM
puerto rico
 
maybe
it's a territory, just unincorporated
 
i'd say programming probably best fits into engineering
it is its one thing but engineering probably best relates to it hence "software engineer"
 
Can't it just be its own thing? lol
 
@JBis citizens where?
and as an engineer it hurts my soul to see that comparison
engineering is whole heartedly it's own thing
software is merely a subset of engineering
Sorry that's one of the things I'm a bit weird about lmao
 
8:44 PM
I think the similarity between engineering and programming is that they can both be used for such broad number of reasons, pretty much any other topic has the potential to be a requirement.
Obviously, math or engineering concepts can be a huge part of what you're programming.
It just happens that most people end up working on apps/websites
And of course, computers themselves have to be engineered, so... yea...
And computers can be used to engineer computers...
And I'm going to stop talking.
 
@ballBreaker us
@IvanMilisavljevic whats the best way to store the order of a massive list in an sql db?
the answers on SO about that are terrible and often require you to update many of the rows
 
I'm just very strict on what I call engineering because there are laws about it in Canada haha
 
@ballBreaker your an engineer?
so you just put blocks together and shit?
 
I can literally tell on someone for calling themselves an engineer if they're not and they'll get fined
I can be a professional snitch
@JBis uniteded statesesd?
Honestly, not sure how easy it is.. probably pretty easy though I know a few people with green cards
 
So is the title "software engineer" not a thing in Canada?
 
8:51 PM
@twiz nope, not unless you're actually a software engineer
aka took engineering in school
and pay the $350 a year to be a part of the PEO (professional engineer of Ontario [or other province]) so that you're legally fucked if anything happens
 
But is that a real job though? Seems like you'd just happen to know engineering. haha
 
hmm?
I don't get it dave
 
Like if you had a medical degree, but got a job as a programmer, you could call yourself a Software Doctor
 
I'm snitching on you to the canadian PM
 
But I'm an engineer legally so I don't get it
 
8:53 PM
oh damn
I didn't realize CS was engineering in Canada
it's not in the US
 
no, engineering is engineering here
 
oh
 
You have it the opposite
CS is apparently engineering in the US
 
it isn't
 
8:54 PM
Nah it's not regulated
 
since it sounds like anyone can call themselves a software engineer lol
 
real engineering has a board and such
 
ahh okay just no rules on who can call themselves one?
 
you have to apply / pass tests
yeah
 
that's highly unusual
 
8:55 PM
software is completely unregulated
 
No regulation ey.... Well, I'm a Software Doctor now losers?
 
mechanical / chemical / civil engineering all have regulation
 
Why have engineering regulations but then let anyone call themselves an engineer?
 
because each field has its own set
 
That just damages the reputation of real engineers lol
 
8:56 PM
America
 
I mean is someone really going to mistake a Software Engineer for an Engineer?
 
Outside of the US, yeah lol
 
I don't think you can call yourself a mechanical engineer if you felt like it
 
You can't code for a nuclear power plant here without the engineer distinction
 
But does Software Engineer mean anything at all other than you have an Engineering degree?
Seems like it would be mostly irrelevant
 
8:57 PM
No it doesn't but being an engineer means you personally are legally on the line
 
Except for the rare job that happens to require both.
 
So if your shitty php code causes a nuclear meltdown they know who to point the finger at
and put you in jail for the rest of your life
 
So basically no one calls themselves a Software Engineer because there's no point and its a liability?
 
No people up here DO call themselves software engineers, but they are actual engineers
otherwise what's the point of calling yourself an engineer? to sound smart?
America is weird lol
 
What's the benefit? Seems like it could only cause legal issues?
 
8:59 PM
That's the point
That is the benefit
 
Oh, so companies know they wont be liable? is that the idea?
 
It's that and personal accountability, you don't want people who will face no consequences putting valuable code into things that could kill people
It's for the greater good of the public, not the companies
Weird concept, I know.
;)
 
Ah yea, ok. So if you worked on a normal average website, you wouldn't use that title, even if you had an engineering degree?
 
You could use that title, just doesn't really mean much, yeah
 
9:02 PM
Ok, that makes sense then. haha
 
as a software engineer you can do anything a normal software developer can do, but not vice-versa
 
In the US, its basically just 1 of 100 other programmer titles that mean nothing.
 
Right, that was my understanding which I never really understood, but it sounds like it isn't really meant to be understood lol
 
meh, half the companies don't even seem to know what languages they use.
 
hehe
I hope english :D
But yeah, sorry, I get weirdly passionate about that side of engineering, I guess because I believe in the seriousness of implications of the alternative
Basically all started when some engineers did a half-ass job in Quebec and built a bridge that collapsed and killed a hundred or-so people
So the regulatory body really cracked the f down
 
9:05 PM
ok, time to wander onward. Away from my laptop. ✌🏼
@ballBreaker We like our bridges that way here. Creates more jobs. Murica
 
Sounds good dude, enjoy your weekend! :D
@twiz hehehe that's a fair point, I didn't think of the money possibilities!
 
cya twiz
 
adios twiz
 
Just redid my DnD character sheet, oh boy
it's sexy and clean
 
didn't know DnD characters needed to bathe
 
9:16 PM
same
 
of course they do, they're as real as you and me
 
so not real at all
 
Mine happens to be an alcoholic pirate warlock
run by the desire to please Cthulhu
pretty real stuff
 
do y'all have the same cereal in canada?
 
so you're basically Luthor Harkon
or maybe a Count Noctilus
 
9:23 PM
Jesus, you're dropping some names I haven't seen since I was 10
 
yeah I memba them back from warhammer fantasy
 
I got into warhammer at a weirdly young age
 
this game is amazing
 
9:24 PM
I feel bad for my parents
such a money-sink
so I bought that game btw
 
yeah the table top is expensive
 
but my laptop can't run it
 
ah bummer
time to upgrade
 
so I'm holding onto it until I get my new PC this summer
^ yee exactly
I could just refund through steam but I know for a fact I'll want to play it
 
yeah for sure
if you like it, try to snag warhammer 1 on sale
that unlocks the Mortal Empires campaign and like 4 races
easily the best and first "DLC" you should get
 
9:27 PM
is that the one that opens it up so you can play both?
 
yeah by owning both games it opens that up
also it will open it up for the 3rd game
 
Nicee that's such a dope-ass concept for games with races/armies like that
 
also game 1 DLCs apply to Game 2
you could probably skip beastmen and woodelves
but if you like it, definitely get them all
 
nice, yeah I'll definitely try 2 out for reals and see where it takes me
 
yeah once you get it up and running @ me and I can help you pick your first race for maximum enjoyment
but I think Lizardmen might be a good first campaign
straightfoward and dinosaurs are awesome
 
9:34 PM
Yeah they were one of my faves back in the day
so cool
I loved the Skaven too
My main mf's were the Chaos though
 
Skaven are great but their DLC campaigns are so much better
 
and Chaos Space Marines in 40k
 
I would wait until Game 3 for chaos
 
Yeah I saw that online somewhere when I was looking it up
 
Chaos are one of the worst races in the game right now, they just suck
like, they are powerful but the game isn't fun to play as them
more fun to fight them off
mostly due to the campaign mechanics, not their unit roster
I think my favorite is probably the dwarfs
I just love having super strong infantry lines blasting people with artillery and guns
 
9:37 PM
hahaha yeah my brother's army was Dwarves in Fantasy, they were really cool
the flying (mounted?) griffins and stuff
Then ended up doing the Orks in 40k who were pretty jokes
 
yeah greenskins are due for a rework, should be the next patch
 
I liked being able to re-use Chaos Fantasy guys in the 40k it was a nice feature
nice
I love game companies that constantly maintain and do upgrades
 
yeah, well they are also maintaining their mortal empires content for the next game as well, so incentivized
 
nice man
makes sense
man this junior person that my company has been given as a consultant is so useless it's legitimately painful
I feel so bad for her because it's a senior position and she's clearly barely able to stay afloat
But damn is it ever annoying and does it make me dislike her
And it's not even her fault at all, it's our vendor's fault, and our VPs fault for believing the vendor when they said it wouldn't be a problem even though my entire team told them it would be
I hate office bureaucracy/politics so much
on that note I'm going to pack up and leave before I make this poor girl cry in incompetency , have a good weekend everyone!
 
lol later
 
9:53 PM
cya
 
10:30 PM
You still around @DaveS?
 
yeah @Carl
 
too slow, I figured it out
 
oh good, that means I only need to charge my $40 cancellation fee
in other news flutter is fantastic
 
really?
 
yeah I'm doing amazing, stable cross platform animated UI in similar time to Android with less experience
and the performance is great
I really don't see a need for React Native to exist anymore
 
10:51 PM
do you see a need for native to exist?
 
yeah
You may want that extra layer of performance, do games or other things
but your typical app you could do in flutter and have a high quality just like native experience
 
interesting
 
is it good for shared networking/model layer code too?
like for Android I remember OkHttp was amazing
 
yeah networking is handled just like Promises in JavaScript with Futures
 
and for iOS URLSession has a lot of configuration
 
10:59 PM
Dio is a great HTTP package
and using the provider package you can tell your data layer to notify the UI for a rerender on demand
and any UI that depends on that provider state will be redrawn if needed
so you can do scaffolding really easy
draw your empty UI or loading indicator then fire off your state requests if it's not already there
when it returns update your data layer and call notifyListeners
 
are these official packages?
 
everything in pub.dev goes through a review process
you can check the quality in the top right
100 is basically use it as official
 
hmm looks like the provider package is from this guy github.com/rrousselGit
 
yes it's not official but Flutter works on its community
Flutter officially recommends the package
the normal out of the box way would be with Streams
 
but I love Swift =[
 
i'm hoping that SwiftUI becomes the cross-platform choice
 
you might love flutter more? :)
 
lol it looks like a mix of Java/Kotlin
(Dart)
 
I never picked up Swift or Kotlin so this is a nice excuse not to lol
we're pitching all our new apps in flutter because our first few experiences are so successful and promising compared to the React Native nightmare
it's hard to have a competitive quote in our sector with native apps
 
we've been discussing cross-platform stuff at work
I wonder if we could maybe write our middleware in Dart/Flutter to try it out
or does it have to be 100% flutter, no mix and match?
 
11:07 PM
@trevor-e you know swift?
 
flutter has a bridge
 
I'm an iOS dev, haven't done Android in years
 
but it really shines at UI
 
do you do MacOS or iOS? And do you know objective c?
Ah, never macos?
 
you could possibly mix it in with a flutter section but you're bringing in the rendering engine overhead for a small part of the app
 
11:09 PM
not super familiar with macOS but the API does look similar
I never bothered to learn ObjC lol
hmm yea Dave we are more concerned with sharing complicated business logic that we have right now
 
might recommend something that compiles to C++ like C++ itself or Rust
then you can use the NDK for android to run it
 
yea I think that's what Google/Facebook does
 
but if you did that you can use flutter to bind to it too
 
11:44 PM
@trevor-e I've gotten frustrated while trying to learn macos because every tutorial I click on is about iOS grrrrr
 

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