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Hi, does someone have a clue about this? stackoverflow.com/questions/59589306
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Fragmented - Android Developer Podcast: 186: Announcement 2020
posted on January 06, 2020 by shows

 
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08:21
Greetings!
Greetings, people-who-are-not-flying-a-third-of-the-way-across-the-globe-tomorrow-because-the-earth-is-flat
 
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09:40
Good morning!
@Ali welcome! please start by reading the rules of the room: room-15.github.io
Ali
Ali
@MehdiB. Thanks
@DotNetLover welcome! please start by reading the rules of the room: room-15.github.io
eli
eli
Hi
@Ali you're welcome, don't forget to read the link :)
Ali
Ali
@MehdiB. Continue...... to read.... :)
09:58
lol ok (it's not that long :D)
Greeting, Mehdi-banner-of-people-who-don't-read-the-rules-as-is-soon-to-be-witnessed
Ali
Ali
Reading complete :D
Hello, Raghav! :D
Ali - and?
witnessing intensifies
grabs popcorn
damn... meeting
10:00
XD
Ali
Ali
Mehdi - Nothing let see which rule i remember
o/
bro, I didn't ask you to learn them by heart, just read the link XD
Ali
Ali
Then done :)
Mehdi - “I have read and understood the rules”.
:D
10:03
finally
Ali
Ali
Yoo
@MadhawaPriyashantha welcome! please start by reading the rules of the room: room-15.github.io
“I have read and understood the rules”
thanks and welcome
Tim
Tim
I feel like he cheated by watching the other person
10:08
the double quotes? :D
tim did you replace your avatar and go from a doggo to a cat
unacceptable
hey i want to create a overlay window /(draw over other apps).is it possible to pass mouse pointer to the below app like pointer events none in html
yeah
don't remember how tho
Tim
Tim
mouse pointer?
10:25
some of us are more sophisticated and use a mouse to browse with their phones
Tim
Tim
"more" I don't think that word means what you think it means
[monday morning, 9:45am]
i pull out my usbc to micro usb adapter, connect a hitachi mouse to my phone, starts clicking through twitter
Tim
Tim
yuck
this close to flagging that as 'disgusting'
Yeah, who is still using twitter?
Tim
Tim
who ever did?
10:30
well, I still use it.... to get status messages of services being down
like EA Origin or Gitlab
Tim
Tim
yeah but you don't actually scroll through the feed, right
@NyP sorry, you currently do not meet the requirements to join the room: room-15.github.io
10:51
> Studying. I have 3 degrees but within 5 mins of studying my brain still revolts and decides Netflix would be a much better plan
Tim
Tim
11:02
3 degrees
11:25
o/
11:36
some people are very hungry for academic knowledge :D
11:48
oh man
im getting Cannot find a version of 'com.google.code.findbugs:jsr305' that satisfies the version constraints on release version whem im trying to build the apk
bundle works fine
* heavy piano slam*
@Tim did you ever happen to fix your emulator?
Tim
Tim
12:14
no
Helllo
Tim
Tim
500 rep went into the void
Morn ppl
|| wiki Google v. Oracle America
Google v. Oracle America (previously named Oracle America, Inc. v. Google, Inc. in lower courts) is a current legal case within the United States related to the nature of computer code and copyright law. The dispute centers on the use of parts of the Java programming language's application programming interfaces (APIs), which are owned by Oracle, within early versions of the Android operating system by Google. Google has admitted to using the APIs, and has since transitioned Android to a copyright-unburdened engine, but claims their original use of the APIs was within fair use. Oracle initiated...
Just read. Seems to explain it well.
12:24
this is old news for most of us :D
G'Mornight earthlings!
Have you all already bought crickets to survive the WW3?
I think oracle has a case.
@ warren: i use twitter
it's like 20% of my personality
@JBis luckily PHP's license is not constraining, since no company would wanna be associated with it, so mankind has a solid backup plan :)
Tim
Tim
it's ok we still like the other 80% of you
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12:33
I'm still a bit confused tho.
So Google copied an open source implementation of the Java SDK called OpenJDK? How does that infringe of Oracle's copyright? If anything, Oracle should sue the creators of OpenJDK.
Sun was acquired by Oracle a long time ago
So Oracle should sue themselves? lol. It doesn't make sense to me.
What exactly is a JDK?
Google didn't base its code on the openjdk, it was based on the oracle jdk
when I say "based" I mean that they just took some APIs, but many things are different, including the VM
Sorry, they copied code from an Apache project
Ok I think I am starting to get it
Oracle privatized a JDK. But there are many JDKs to choose from. Google made their own.
IP rights are infringed when a work protected by IP laws is used, copied or otherwise exploited without having the proper permission from a person who owns those rights.
12:45
Ok. But what IP was used by Google?
APIs from the oracle jdk
they copied JDK basically to 1:1
So isn't that illegal?
If that's the case, what's the argument in Googles favor?
not sure tbh, im not following the case
@JBis and yeah it is
Tim
Tim
something something public domain
12:49
i guess their argument is something related to using OpenJDK instead of JDK
> Google chose to develop a cleanroom version of the Java Standard Edition libraries, developing the libraries from a completely fresh start without any access to Sun's code. This became the engine behind Android's Dalvik virtual machine, a core part of the new system.
> Part of the virtual machine included 37 API calls and around 11,500 lines of code deemed central to Java, which were taken from Apache Harmony, an open-source cleanroom Java implementation developed by the Apache Software Foundation (ASF).
which were taken from Apache Harmony, an open-source cleanroom Java implementation developed by the Apache Software Foundation
So sue the Apache Software foundation right?
> Google has said copyright protection should not extend to APIs because they are essential tools for creating software.

Google has also argued that its copying of them is permissible under the fair-use defense, which allows unlicensed use of copyrighted works for purposes such as research.
second defense is stupid. Android isn't for research.
First defense is also stupid IMO. How can it not?
Tim
Tim
can someone explain to me how the movie that won the golden globe for "Best Motion Picture - Drama" was released less than a week before the end of the year and only in 4 countries? What is this award based on if only 3 people have seen the movie.. cough publicity stunt
@JBis it is for research once they argue that its primary purpose is to harvest user data :)
@Tim good point ;)
13:02
@Tim nice XD
eli
eli
13:13
when you post like 7 images in whatsapp all images get combined in a single view with three images displayed and 4+ more mark on the fourth one. How can i achieve this ?
@eli Custom adapter wiht multiple ViewHolders
eli
eli
Thanks Ivan
Tim
Tim
OR a custom view and add it dynamically and draw the thing manually
eli
eli
Am expecting data from API
@Tim Not the void where I was into
eli
eli
13:18
let me try both for future use
Tim
Tim
don't try my suggestion
13:37
I'm glad Charlotte Riley (the horse trainer) returns in the 4th season of peaky blinders :D
Tim
Tim
may?
yes!
Tim
Tim
you will also be glad to see X return in 5th season
I wonder who that is but I'm already glad XD
Tim
Tim
I can't say any more :)
13:43
for me (so far): May is #1 woman character and Alfie #1 man character - #2 thomas
Tim
Tim
the russian girl is also nice
yes :D I couldn't really understand her though
3 hours ago, by Mehdi B.
@NyP sorry, you currently do not meet the requirements to join the room: http://room-15.github.io/
Tim
Tim
why not?
she had a rather unique way of "doing business" and I was kinda surprised about her end goal given her status
Tim
Tim
oh I thought you didn't understand the purpose of her 'business'
I have to admit at the end of that season I was like "ehhh what" myself
13:57
on the previous season, it was the complete opposite, when thomas was smoking that last cigarette in front of his grave, that was worthy of a good ending :D youtube.com/watch?v=1B9O6dHRGlU
14:49
@Tim what movie is that?
"The smoking ghost", of course
15:05
Casper the pothead
Tim
Tim
movie is 1917
Ah
Well I don't care about awards because it's all subjective and bullshit anyways, and on that point
Gervais' opening is hilarioussss
Tim
Tim
yes of course, but they could try to hide it a little better
It's so satisfying watching him just rip a whole room of people up and they all have to take it
15:21
I didn't watch it live because basically of what you said, bB, but it was hilarious and surprising from him
Yeah I didn't either! Just caught the opening monologue since my buddies sent me it
The epstein joke was pretty hilarious, or rather his follow up joke to it
"Epstein didn't kill himself"
*entire room groans*
"Oh shut up, I know he was your friend"
just casually calling an entire room of people paedophiles
Tim
Tim
fun fact: crashlytics automatically uploads app metadata to their server even if you are just fucking around on your local machine
ohhhh, that is a fun fact
Tim
Tim
cause I just got an email that someone new is testing the app, and the email contains the app icon I have locally
but I never uploaded it
sneaky
But I thought you shouldn't be using that now. It got replaced by whatchamacalit
Tim
Tim
15:32
fabric crashlytics -> firebase crashlytics
yeah, ok
I didn't know they were still calling it crashlytics. I thought you were just living in the past
Tim
Tim
actually I am xD
Me too since my work the last 6 months or so has been on a legacy platform ~:(
Me too since I use Scala 2.11
my life
my java 6 5 life
15:39
wow, does that mean you started Chemotherapy?
I once met a guy who used Java 4, in 2014 (java 8 was already out)
hahahah yeah my first project ever in my career in 2014 was upgrading from Java4 to Java7
Tim
Tim
@MehdiB. that's better than java 7 on android when java 13 14 is around the corner
oh that I agree
It's embarrassing
I need to convince my company to upgrade these applications to at least Java8 before I pigeonhole myself into legacy applications for the rest of my career
no idea how you're going to do that alone, those projects cost a lot for no visible gain for the business stakeholders
15:48
You set a little time a day aside and work on it without telling anyone
Then, when it's ready, switch over and don't tell anyone
LOL yeah that would be the way to do it, unfortunately the web server would need to be upgraded and moved over too so it wouldn't be as simple as that
You only have one web server?
I'll just have to give them a good business case, and thankfuck they're I believe this year, removing all support for Java6
No there is more than one, but the IBM Websphere versioning would need to change and it's not hosted by us, but rather our biggest sister comapny
so new licensing etc would be needed and it'll have to be done through the proper channels
Tim
Tim
15:52
just pirate it
hahaha
ProTip: It is cheaper to build a room to lock the license auditors in than paying for all the licenses
hahaha
"Yes, all of our guests are put into this room here"
"Why are the lights off?"
"OH don't worry about that.. just take a few steps forward..."
make sure the room is at least 5 stories high and the door is at the roof level...
bahah gotta get a Mr. Burns trapdoor installed on the highest floor of that
15:58
Give them all keys to the door, and then have the lock reject the keys saying they're unlicensed
uuuh and so you can make money before they are killed...
that is a tyical Raghav Genius Level over 9000
Tim
Tim
fake
but is it gay
Tim
Tim
ban in 3 2 1
16:05
=I
Have you guys heard of awardco?
I haven't until now. Might be neat. Your coworkers/manager can say you did a good job on something or whatever and you get points to spend on amazon
Depends on how often and how many points you get
Yeah sounds interesting.. guess it depends what "Amazon Business" is
sounds like a pyramid scheme
actually haven't looked it up but that's my default reply now
It's a way for me to get free stuff for doing my job. That's all that matters :P
Though, might not work out well if I keep coming in here during the day
"codeMagic, your android results are in this month, and to be honest, they're pretty shitty. Here is 100 points towards an iPhone"
lol I was going to use a different example that was NSFW so that was the best I could com eup with
oh okay here's a better one
"I see you've been spending a lot of company time in the bathroom. Here are 100 points for toilet paper"
16:20
:D
I haven't done android in probably 2 years so that example is fine with me
hello dudes
hi
sup?
you ever feel like over engineering something to make something boring more interesting and challenging?
no
if it's boring I usually don't do it xD
@grrigore what does the guy who pays your salary think of that? :D
@grrigore lmao same
no comment
what salary?
@MehdiB. did you just assume his bosses gender :O
Women can be bosses too, this is 2019 man
2020*
16:30
loool
@JBis lmao
bb is still 2019
oh god
@ballBreaker nice catch :D
oh no, I'm living in the past
16:30
@grrigore what does the person who pays your salary think of that? :D
Its the time zones, right?
@ballBreaker You need an update
I better restart so it can apply
sudo restart
@MehdiB. we don't do that here
16:32
@JBis reboot*
Password for sudo:
@grrigore thinking?
@MehdiB. letting the boss know the truth
@grrigore XD didn't expect that XD
16:35
don t mess with me xD
so I broke up with that girl finally over this weekend
whaat
what about xmas and new years eve??
Tim
Tim
he led her on during that time
nah I told her a few weeks back I was having mixed feelings about everything, so it wasn't a surprise
also wtf, as if oracle forces you to make an account just to download a JDK/JRE, and in said account "Password should not contain > < ( ) % ; \"
wtf
it's because you're a zodiac stuff ?
16:42
how are they storing the password if it can't contain that stuff?
@ballBreaker download the openjdk openjdk.java.net/install
@MehdiB. In this weird case I actually need the JRE
my IE is being a total jankfest with java
gotta uninstall all Java versions
and hope that fixes the jank
the open jdk also contains a jre
how is everyone doing?
16:45
yeah true
does the JDK compile java to java bytecode?
and the JVM runs it?
so what the hell does the JRE do?
runtime libs
google is your friend :)
Google doesnt explain it well
|| wiki JRE
A Java virtual machine (JVM) is a virtual machine that enables a computer to run Java programs as well as programs written in other languages that are also compiled to Java bytecode. The JVM is detailed by a specification that formally describes what is required in a JVM implementation. Having a specification ensures interoperability of Java programs across different implementations so that program authors using the Java Development Kit (JDK) need not worry about idiosyncrasies of the underlying hardware platform. The JVM reference implementation is developed by the OpenJDK project as open source...
16:48
@ArintonAkos sorry, you currently do not meet the requirements to join this room: room-15.github.io
@MehdiB. Sorry I am bit rusty on typing my exact question into google and pressing enter. thanks!
how do you invoke the bot again?
|| help
Command documentation and syntax can be found here.
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> || commandName arg1 arg2 arg3
|| wiki erlang
Erlang may refer to: == Science and technology == Erlang (programming language), a programming language Erlang (unit), a unit to measure traffic in telecommunications or other domains Erlang distribution, a probability distribution describing the time between events == Places == Mount Erlang, a mountain in China Erlang railway station, on the Chinese Qinghai–Tibet Railway == Other uses == Agner Krarup Erlang (1878–1929), mathematician and engineer after whom several concepts are named Erlang Shen, a Chinese deity == See also == Erlangen, Germany Erlanger (disambiguation)...
|| wiki Erlang (programming language)
Erlang ( UR-lang) is a general-purpose, concurrent, functional programming language, and a garbage-collected runtime system. The term Erlang is used interchangeably with Erlang/OTP, or Open Telecom Platform (OTP), which consists of the Erlang runtime system, several ready-to-use components (OTP) mainly written in Erlang, and a set of design principles for Erlang programs.The Erlang runtime system is designed for systems with these traits: Distributed Fault-tolerant Soft real-time Highly available, non-stop applications Hot swapping, where code can be changed without stopping a system.The Erlang...
isn't its beautiful?
16:56
nope

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