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01:05
Yes.
I'm a people person
makes notes on note taking tablet
I've upgraded from the old legal pads
02:07
@cavpollo Welcome! Please read, confirm reading, and follow the room rules before you do anything else: room-15.github.io
@cavpollo Welcome! please read the room rules
You'd be faster if you didn't have to go through docker to access chat, Ahmad
I had to reboot my kubernetes cluster
You clearly need to invest in multi cluster solutions
I have read and understood the rules
02:09
Spread across a few providers with multiple datacenters
Welcome!
Hi there =)
Sorry to come bothering you all here, but I really need (a rubber duck) somebody to help me figure out what should I try to tackle a perky bug, hehe
*pesky
You can try, but all the actual Android devs are out right now
I'm in no hurry, but would they read past messages at a later time?
They might, they might not
Unfortunately, free will still prevails in this room
We're working on it
Crossing fingers for robots overtaking humanity
K, I'll try my luck anyway
Got this Android app that uses Volley to make Https requests to some server.
My problem is that some users seem to be experiencing issues when making requests to the server. Volley answers that there's been a TimeOutError, which normally would mean that it is the server's fault, but I've seen this happen when the Https certificates and stuff are misconfigured on the app... so, that makes me doubt whose fault is.

I have found no clear pattern among the users when the requests fail. They seem to run some requests just fine, but at some random point, out of the blue, they start completely fai
I've tried to make the very same requests that fail myself, but the server's answer is just fine.
02:25
Are you using mutual TLS or certificate pinning?
It's pretty unlikely that it is an actual certificate issue - more likely that the users have a spotty connection, or your server is unable to handle the load at certain times (or something in your server's network is spotty, which should be unlikely with any reasonable hosting service)
I'm fairly new to SSL with Android, so forgive my newbyness, but I'm fairly sure its certificate pinning. Still, the certificate has not expired yet.
Unless you explicitly compile an expected certificate chain into your app, you aren't using either of those
But it is pretty unlikely to be an actual HTTPS issue, far more likely to be user side network issues or server issues on your end
Like, 99:1
Actually, I had to compile the certificate chain into my app as some Android versions seemed to fail to recognize certificates issued by letsencrypt.org
That sounds unlikely, but then you might have certificate pinning going on implicitly - that may cause timeouts if something else on the network is trying to mitm the traffic (such as corporate networks), but it is still quite unlikely (and even corporate proxies would return a certificate error usually, not a timeout)
Once they were properly included, the TimeOut issue stopped the app from failing everytime, but it ended up with the behaviour I described above.
Huh, I see... =\
02:41
Your best bet may to be add some logging for the server IP your requests are going to, the certificate fingerprint of the remote server, the endpoints that time out, the user's IP, the users's network (wifi/mobile), and then try and look for a pattern
If all the user side stuff is clean, then you probably have issues on your end, such as the server not being able to deal with peak traffic
Sounds like a plan. I'll log the missing details.
Thanks for the help =)
Note that logging some of that stuff might be an issue legally w.r.t GDPR or whatever, so you may want to do some research before going that route
Hehe, yup, got a legal agreement thing that users approve before using the app. I'll see if it still covers the details I'm missing
Is this room normally this quiet at this time of the day?
Hi o/
02:50
Well, now look what you've done
You'll wish it had stayed quiet now that this guy is here
\o/
(O)
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So far, he's not made much fuzz
Looks, completely harmless
Hi, lil guy o/
@cavpollo Don't let my friendly ASCII art deceive you
I'll have you know I'm very gullible, perhaps even more gullible than the average gullible person
03:04
:)
just joking
Ha, I knew it ^_^
 
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04:50
Greetings!
it always is
 
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eLi
eLi
06:20
Hi\
Hi
06:38
o/
Good morning!
Tom
Tom
06:53
morning all
07:20
Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooood Morning Everyone!!!!!!! :D
07:42
o/
08:18
Hello all
09:01
o/
Greetings, multiple-pointless-ones
Except Mehdi and W0MP
Greeting, single cynical one
Namely Raghav Sood
Tom
Tom
O_o
@RaghavSood nice :D
Hello Raghav!
Greetings, person-who-will-potentially-provide-me-with-free-work-in-a-few-weeks'-time
Nice, flags
09:15
flags
@RaghavSood that is racist :(
How tho
jk
but yeah i can see it can hurt people
must be why it got flagged
Those people should consider staying off the internet
sup
haha
09:21
\o
o/
10:04
Android Developer Challenge (using on-device Machine Learning): Only need to submit an idea to enter developer.android.com/dev-challenge
I have been stuck on a bug resolution for five days straight. The code goes back to 2007, nobody knows how it's supposed to work anymore (the code and the spec), we just know we got an incoherent outcome some weeks ago. The code has been obviously written by someone rather new to code and is objectively bad. Moreover, the outcome is already mostly computed more efficiently in another module, but we are not using that (though they would like to fully change to that method later).
I have not been allowed to make the change to use the other outcome, nor to dump what we have and rewrite it more clearly and more efficiently. Not allowed to refacto, nor even to simply clarify the code by indenting the thing. Not allowed to test, cause setting up the test environnment is costly in time.
I'm apparently supposed to just read it until I figure the bug by brute-forcing the issue
Do you charge an hourly rate?
Anyone had to dealt with such a situation?
I have a contract with a company that "lend" me to another
So they pay for me being at their site a given number of hours per week
I've debugged obscure issues in the past, but if even tells me I've got to do it without being able to set up a debugger/breakpoints/use tools I need to work effectively, we aren't going to get very far
(Don't know the term in english)
10:10
so you're a freelancer / external consultant
External, yes
Thanks
Just tell them that if you do it their way, it will cost them 500 hours, if you do it your way, it can be 200
I can't set my hourly rate
Yes, but they already pay it - the rate doesn't matter, only that you can do it faster if they let you do it your way
I told them though it will be highly innefficient and possibly fruitless
10:11
but you can negotiate with the contracting company no?
Nope.
If they still don't care, then let them burn money
Work on stuff you want to until you have an epiphany
Or get really good at reading code and evaluating it in your head
I'm... averagely skilled at that, and an epiphany is unlikely, but thanks for the adives ^^
Rubber ducking may help here
Worst case scenario, it's learning experience
10:12
You can also take a known-bad and known-good sample input and work through it line by line on paper
Tried that, but it's a mess
are you working alone or on a team?
Or just "refactor" it into smaller functions as part of your testing, and throw it all away once you're done
Then when they ask you to actually refactor it, spend 5 weeks learning new tech and give them the old refactor at the end
Officialy, a team, in fact, all work on separate products that interact sometimes
And use the newfound skills to find a better job
10:13
Yeah, I'm looking for an exit door, cause their methods are really... strange, to put it politely
Don't understand why they waste so much money knowingly
Companies work in mysterious ways
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Well, I get paid, at the very least
You might work faster if you had two arms, tho
I also get paid, it is useful
I'd prefer to not be paid to burn out tho
@Nyakouai it's easier to convey a rational message when the whole team and team leader is onboard
10:15
I must acquire more monetory unit tho
Sometimes management just doesn't care/understand
"We've always done it this way, and no one complained ever since the company started in 199X"
company folds 1 year later
I finally installed this github.com/polynote/polynote on a cluster
In this case, management is also team lead + product owner
x3
startup comes in and does the same thing 100x faster and 1000x cheaper
And not agreeing
I don't wanna write exams :(
But I have 4 in 4 days
10:16
I work in a former public company that got privatized :P It's a bit scary to know they kept the same practices
And need at least 50% on each of them
Irk
Bon courage
(Never found an english equivalent)
Good luck :D
What's worse is that I don't actually need 50%
not really accurate but used in the same context
10:18
I could meet the course minimum with as little as 30% in most courses
But the uni has this dumb rule that you must get 50% on the final to pass any course
Even if you have 100% in all other evaluated sections
don't lower the bar, aim for that 99%
Spending more time on uni stuff takes away time from productive stuff
do both
At least after this semester I only have to complete 1 more course
Oct 8 at 9:52, by Murat Karagöz
dont be weak
10:19
Then I'm done for good
Oct 8 at 9:52, by Murat Karagöz
end of discussion
@MehdiB. Unfortunately, given how linear time works, there are only so many hours in a day
It's good when it's over ;)
Weakness would be submitting to the system and aiming to excel academically in the hope that you get hired and don't starve afterwards
cc @murat ^
10:20
Strength is forcing your way through the system with minimum work and hitting the ground running, creating your own work and income flow
On the plus side, most of the things you don't want to master will probably hardly ever come up in work, cause of your affinity when picking a job
Not entirely true, most of the courses are, on a topic level, useful tbh
It's just that they're too simple, and usually too focused on ideal usecases to be useful irl
Well, I did systems and network, and it's good to have a basis to understand the matter, but I forgot the most technical stuff
It was mandatory to be able to set up a Cisco to pass a class, but I did not saw one since
Yeah, we've had all that too, during the semester
Exam is paper only tho, except for the AI course
I should apply for an exemption to the AI course so that I can answer all the questions with "This doesn't happen irl. Source: Am AI"
10:36
xD
Hi, I want to ask something about CoroutineExceptionHandler.
In RxJava, I had `onError(Throwable)` method for every Observable or Single. And, I could manage how I send errors to View individually based on type of API.
In Coroutines, I have a handler of CoroutineExceptionHandler for my CoroutinceContext. But, I think if I use this CoroutineContext for all API functions in ViewModel, my onError code will need to be same for all. right?

How can I, say, have different error management per coroutine launch?
eLi
eLi
10:54
go to google -> type in 50 most popular women -> click the first link -> look who is number 7
Hi
11:50
Julia Silge on October 28, 2019

Welcome to this month’s installment of Stack Overflow research updates! I code for work and for fun, on weekdays here at Stack Overflow as a data scientist and on the weekends as an open source maintainer. This is not uncommon. About 80% of respondents on our annual Developer Survey say they code as a hobby, and on my team, it turns out that every single one of us does a bit of coding for fun, whether that’s live coding on Twitch, connecting C# to R Markdown because you can, or learning game development from scratch. …

the Rust tag seems to be the hobby language :D
12:13
I actually think it would have been even better to provide a plot of similar/comparable technologies on each side of the dashed line
13:08
o/
Someone posted an "answer" on a post and about the same time all other answers got downvoted. Hmmm, lol
How strange
rigging
cmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
sup magicman
yo, CF, how are things in the other indiana?
13:31
good what about in the other other indiana?
user11867329
13:47
@eLi Bookmark this pls.
heyo o/
user11867329
wtf if o/
@eLi is it charity crawford or haley reed
mornight folks!
PS don't google either of those (^)
13:49
mornight intoxicated shrimp
heya froggo
Hello all the morning people
@ballBreaker As if we needed to google to guess what you're talking about ;)
Good, CF
Hi Nyakouai
@Nyakouai they're actresses in the .... entertainment... industry
14:00
Did I collected your contribution?
@OakDev it's a wave
A common greeting gesture in many cultures
@ballBreaker I may or may not know one of thoses names. If the matter ever arises though, I'd like to speak to a lawyer before answering. Hypothetically speaking
@Nyakouai hmm well they're two of my favourites v0v I definitely have a type
My lawyers are aware that they are my faves so it's all good
I learned the hard way not to discuss certain topics on pseudo-work related chat :P Things can get weird
@ballBreaker Aha xD
14:04
hahaha yeah I avoid it
If I can help it
But can any of us really help itself, truly?
Floating motes of space dust careening through the Universe? goes away, rumbling
hahaha
user11867329
\o/

K wait... I thought that was a spherical alignment "lol"
no \o/ is happy person
user11867329
or a spherical alignment "lol"
14:11
no
user11867329
k
Hey bB!!!! Did you play The Outer Worlds yesterday??
I've been playing everyday! :)
also heya !!
There are companions in the game and I've been playing on the supernova difficulty which means if they die they die for goodlol so I'm going to have to replay the game again on a lower difficulty
I've missed so much dialog and their quests and stuff becasue of it
hehe all good though I wanna replay it again and do different choices n stuff
14:16
niiice
yeah and might do a melee playthrough heh
o/ crabby
hey princey
you went ranged this time?
Yeah all gunz
Didn't wanna fux with the melee on the hardest difficulty
14:20
you playing the outer world?
is it free?
not free
free if you steal it lol
but it's on xbox pass for 1$
looks like a crazy space game
14:21
I dont have xbox :(
It's amazing, a little buggy, but super amazing
what's xbox pass? I should probably know but I don't
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I don't think it matters CF I'm pretty sure if you get the microsoft xbox pass u can get it for PC still
I think you can play on any microsoft platform
(meaning PC)
14:22
hmm weird naming then
1$ sounds cheap
It's cool, I'll figure it out
It's a subscription thing I think
so they're hoping that you odn't just do it for a month and then quit
That's not descriptive enough
like Origin Access and the Ubisoft stuff right?
$1/mo?
'cause, if so, I have $12
@ballBreaker damn they auto upgrade subscription and other shit :(
I could but I didn't want to
have lost monies before
I already have too many tabs open
How expensive is the pass, though? :P
And you get the game forever?
14:24
cm gift me one :P
it says intro price of $6/mo
or join beta for $1
showing 6$/mo
so, $7 in total
ohhh damn
for the first month
14:25
For the game forever? Daaaaamn
Ah
Then sucks
For as long as you have the subscription
I'll wait for a decent computer
14:26
Also have to wait for Borderlands 3. Nobody told me being a responsible adult would sucks this much
CF, I will if you want me to. I'll just have to figure out how
haha
@codeMagic that gives me eye cancer
sshhay only around 20 tabs
I know. Waiting for a couple issues to close then I'll be able to close about half of them
14:31
hmm
A quarter of them are different BB projects. Lol
5 tabs max is my limit before I start twitching
then ill open new windows
and keep relevent tabs grouped in the windows lol
The only way
If I could work on one fucking project at a time, it would be so much better
I have to open 100 tabs to make sense of 1 thing these days
yeah seems decent crabs
14:33
my ocd revs up too much otherwise and I get overwhelmed and stressed out lol
@MehdiB. you're getting old
I'm not getting old, I'm already old
pfft
you're 27 right?
yeah
you're barely an adult
just a weee spring chicken still
barely out of the egg
my mental age is probably 78 though
14:36
racist?
xD
can he be racist against himself?
of course
bb is the only person who can extrapolate random shit :D
hey now, old people are racist
14:37
omfg that escalated quickly is a understatement here
I'm one of those nice old people who aren't racists
HIYA CARL!!!!!!! :D
so a closeted racist
:D
oh my gosh
14:38
im joking I'mjust being ageist
today is waaaaaay early
why do we keep talking about racists?
only bb knows
we were just talking about tabs
yeah I'm WFH so I don't need to drive in this morning
14:39
back to tabs
Hi, Carl
yay~~
it dropped to freezing overnight so I have a cozy fire going
sounds not nice
Is there a correlation between how many tabs you use and how racist you are? :thinking:
14:39
Sounds like a slacker to me
yes, I'm on Slack with my team
@CarlAnderson that sounds nice
touché
how's the lozenge plan holding up?
Pretty good so far. One in the morning and not allowing myself another one until after lunch
Which has been typical anyway
14:42
Just out of curiosity, why not either just do the recommended amount so you aren't going through daily withdrawal or cold turkey?
because that sounds really really uncomfortable
Cold turkey hasn't been working. And 3 throughout the day has seemed like a good amount
he's tried cold turkey, it doesn't work for him
Ahh, then why not recommended amount and reduce over time
If I follow what's recommended, it's a 12 week process. Ain't nobody got time for that
but if this is working then all the power to you
I would hate to put myself through withdrawal daily like that
14:43
And it really hasn't been that uncomfortable. Just push myself a little more
If the recommended is 12 weeks what's your plan?
about 4
if he wasn't a heavy smoker before, then he wouldn't need all that nicotine
I'm only taking like 4 a day. Instead of 1 every hour or 2. Which would be, what, at least 8
How much did you smoke before?
14:44
around a pack a day
more on days where I had too many glasses of whiskey
so a cigarette every 30 mins basically?
That's heavy smoking imo
no, about once an hour. Stand up time. be back later
yikes
you ever consider just doing Champix or something?
I'm hoping this time around it works for you by the way!! not trying to knock your method, really hope it works
Just the relapse rates on smoking cessation products is really high
since they don't address the underlying issue
Don't take any of this as me trying to fight you on quitting by the way, sorry if it comes across like that. I'm just concerned as someone who's gone through all this myself!
wish you the best luck on whichever method works
15:11
I think we should all agree, ye methods of old were more efficient
Lock someone in a cell until they start to shiver and puke, throw a bucket of water, rince and repeat until they're good
You could relapse, but would you be willing to go through the process again? :P
(Kudo for quitting/trying to quit, seems hard to do)
@ballBreaker I have. I used WellButrin before and it worked great. I was off the medicine and smoke free in like a week instead of 3 months. I tried again not long ago and it made me extremely depressed
I'm not taking it wrong, I appreciate the feedback. I'm pretty confident it's going to stick this time. But, if not, it will be back to the drawing board.
You smoke using a drawing board?
umm...no
all you haters doubted me
is it ethical to make money off pg&e
either way it was also my electric company when I lived there and they overcharged me so
did you short them?
15:24
@codeMagic ah nice!
nope I bought yesterday when it dipped 20%
you selling today?
I wish I had money
Time for lunch. Chinese buffet!
15:31
Good lunch
o/ adam
@CarlAnderson just sold it!
nice made good profit?
@AdamMc331 forget to let you know admob allow a lot more control over ads they display now
you should check out the portal and see if that suits your needs
15:47
lol
lol will do thanks CF

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