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17:02
o/
cmmmmmmmmmmmmm
yeah what tim said and what adam said about tim what tim said
17:17
@MehdiB. I think the issue stems from the second half:
> Now if I avoid pronouns altogether by sticking to proper names or disengaging from the individual, that's being considered an insult too.
Guess we won't know the full story until the actual CoC change is released
oh well
either way this is not going to end well
nope!
Should be interesting
obviously interesting lol
@ballBreaker I disagree, I have yet to meet someone who'd feel insulted if they got called by their name... I think he's just being dramatic
What's all the excitement about pronouns?
17:26
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Q: I'm resigning as a moderator from all Stack Exchange sites, effective today

Robert Harvey UPDATE: Caleb has posted a very well thought-out summary that lends some much-needed clarity to the central issues involved. I'm resigning as a moderator from all Stack Exchange sites, effective today. I didn't make this decision lightly, frivolously or suddenly. A persistent pattern of co...

@codeMagic The only pronouns we use should include all of us comrade
The only pronouns comrades use should include all of comrades comrade**
I don't see anything declarative on that post. I just see he's mad about something
Dave and eski, your comments just confused me more
@MehdiB. What are you disagreeing with? We don't know the new CoC so there isn't really anything to disagree with
Meaning, I can't say "he, she, it"?
17:32
@codeMagic "Our comments" comrade
@ballBreaker With the fact he said that it's considered insulting to refer to someone by their proper name
da fuq, Dave?? haha
hello codeMagic
I've been catching up on this the last hour, there was a mod "Monica" that lost mod status over a disagreement with the progressive activist(s) working for SO, possibly relating to a new CoC that hasn't been released yet, and it caused a chain reaction of mods resigning
@DaveS the best way the besttest way ever made comrade dave
@codeMagic no only they and it
17:34
Hey, Rag!
@MehdiB. My understanding of what he said is that there is something new being added to the CoC that will enforce this inclusivity.
exclusion through inclusivity!
Seems like if someone asks to be referred to as "She" and you refer to them by name only, that is still going to against CoC
That is my interpretation of that sentence
@codeMagic In communist stack exchange, we share everything and refer only to the collective, it is our community and we all take responsibility, comrade.
@ballBreaker Why'd you assert your dominance on me with that dot at the end? 😠
17:35
Ah, this all sounds dumb
communist america xD
Is it because of the new CEO?
Did that comment just get me banned?
It's an old joke
@MehdiB. eee sorry baby
17:36
Lol
haha. all because of new ceo?
btw the other side to this conflict is a mod who is a queer and who resigned just a day before monica case and it is believed both are related in some way
@codeMagic that new CEO hasn't even joined yet he'll have to handle a crisis as part of his onboarding tomorrow 😂
17:37
lmao, mehdi
lol new ceo has they work cutout for they
poor guy
challenge to look forward for the new ceo. yeah!
room 15 should probably be closed
discord ftw i guess
17:40
So, if I say, "Dave really likes bunny rabbits. He's such a bunny lover". I will be terminated but I can say, "Dave really likes bunny rabbits. We are all such bunny lovers." that is ok???
is "we" inclusive to Apache Attack Helicopters?
yes cM
no that's alt-right nazi rhetoric bb
no shoud include it
weit
that's not inclusive then
we need to be inclusive to nazis as well
Here at Stack Exchange we are inclusive to:
- straight
- gay
- blind
- bad at coding

but not to:
- nazis
- Dave
- that mod Monica
17:45
@codeMagic yes that's correct usage of our pronouns
lmao
are we inclusive of magicians like cM tho?
yikes flags
All members of the community are in the proletariat comrade
yeah, flags are blowing up in meta like it's the js room
I wish I could blow off work and watch them
@ColdFire in here?
did my include nazis thing get flagged
17:48
hot discussion going on in the meta room
no bb not here
ohhh okay
but you should be aware you are on borderline
can u link te room?
could get flagged

The Meta Room

General chat & hangout for Stack Overflow, including Meta disc...
thanks!
hahah im always on the edge
LOL HARD Ooof
froze the room
17:52
oof
hahahaha!
hahahaha nice
Yeha me now that the room is frozen
17:58
I want you all to call me princess eski from now on
lmao someone flagged the frozen message
xD
hahaha
the problem with enforcing inclusivity is that it also forces exclusivity too
So the whole thing is weird
hmm lets not get there
I guess you just gotta pick who you want to exclude 😃
@RaghavSood Is this your brother? stackoverflow.com/users/1839439/dharman
you look a lot alike
18:02
lmao eski
lmao
There is only two genders: people who use stack overflow, and people who do not
Boom, problem solved
All arguments are overturned and balance has been restored
o/
o/ nana
o/ eyyy
@nana did you get the inspiration for your name from the insanely popular and emmy nominated Canadian TV short series "Nanalan"?
What's this amazing drama I slept through?
18:12
not much
@ballBreaker Nope, from something way better... banana
just normal liberal things
lol hiya nana
nanananananana
I was fucking with my handle for a joke IIRC and didn't realize I was going to get stuck with it for months. Worth it. I really am not nana, but people forgot my true identity, muahahahah
SO is on fire, probably because you've been away nana
18:14
That's why I am back.
thank god the nana signal works
Fixing things and telling people I am an engineer is what I do.
@eski Thanks for this.
aye
@DaveS Mine is bigger i.imgur.com/HqHlOmj.png
18:21
wait what?
Just classic nana bullshit, pay no attention.
Also good morning.
Don't you just love it when you first look at code you srote "last night" at 4am?
@nana Lmao
@Rob are you seeking refuge on our friendly room, from all the drama happening all over the place? :D
Rob
Rob
@MehdiB. Haha, if only it were that easy :)
Precisely the opposite, he's hanging out here because he knows we have the best commentary on drama
18:28
that or someone's in trouble (hope it's not me)
@IvanMilisavljevic just the usual garbage, except this time the garbage is also on fire
I just got kicked out of the kitchen by a giant creepy 6 legs flying insect
18:36
that's not very inclusive mehdi, did the insect forget to use your preferred pronoun?
don't all insects have 6 legs?
Luckily where I live insects don't speak, I'd have left this Earth otherwise
Explicit is better than implicit Dave. Do you even Python?
@DaveS most, this monster looks like a big spider, which I thought it was until it flew
spiders aren't insects
18:39
spiders fly
"6 legged", you hsould be ashamed of yourself @MehdiB. Did you even read the rules of this room? Use teh bust Englis U can.
@nana Python is for academic noobs who want to dabble in ML
@nana I prefer my Python like the typescript I don't use, with type hints
I agree with that sentiment.
@nana "to the best of your ability" and that was my best, pls advice if u can
18:41
@codeMagic Also read minds and teleport.
@MehdiB. My advice is: U SUK, BE BETTER @ LIKE LTRL EVRYTING
Banned 4 chat spek
@eski lol
I'd joke about the SJW#METOO stuff too but am honestly afraid.
it's tough if you plan on working in tech
well better not , atleast here
18:47
I think as a matter of respect it's not a big deal and not hard to use people's preferred pronouns, as a matter of forcing volunteers to enforce it, that seems short sighted and ridiculous
Let's just talk about literally Hitler, cause that seems to offend people less these days.
What do you think about xim?
He wasn't that bad if you ignore all the horrific and terrible things he did
and his ideas were pretty awful
He liked dogs, so he couldn't have really been that bad.
so theres one in the Pros column, he liked dogs
Solid mustache
18:49
looked great in socks
xD that photo is fake right?
Guys, I prefer that we stay away from the red line, please switch topics, I'm on mobile I can't really follow everything or moderate
He was Man of the year by Time magazine in 1939.
@MehdiB. “Yes, a Jedi’s strength flows from the Force. But beware of the dark side. Anger, fear, aggression; the dark side of the Force are they. Easily they flow, quick to join you in a fight. If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will, as it did Obi-Wan’s apprentice.”
:D Thanks Eski, that's exactly what I hoped to see.
@netpork o/
19:08
I agree with Mehdi. This seems like it could turn ugly quickly :P
yeah for sure
Alright alright... just know that you're living in fear.
only when it's dark out
Are there any new cool stack chat extensions being developed?
Cause I need one, we need to Slackify this shiznit.
@SaraChipps I downvoted because this should have been a comment, not an "answer". This post does not contribute in a meaningful way, but is simply a copy-pasted statement you've made on multiple sites. Answers on meta sites should be reserved for meaningful, well-thought, researched discussions, as is clearly described in the help center. If you would like to edit your answer to be more substantive, I would be willing to remove my downvote. — cegfault 7 hours ago
sup cm?
19:22
yo
just trying to figure shit out
and taking breaks to check on my peeps
and the drama that is meta
hehe
Still confused on how you can proactively fire someone
because you don't think they'll fit in
because they aren't inclusive
I can't follow this php code
and I keep losing interest quickly
QA: "I can test 'this way' blah blah
ME: "I kind of don't give a shit about this anymore"
lol
lol
tbh i am so angry at something else i want to say something and take my anger out but i rather not
oh, different drama
let's have it
lol, jk
lol strangely its related to this SO issue
19:36
are they excluding indians us?
indianans?
yes, all of us. That's why I changed it to "us". To be inclusive
something along those lines cM
@ColdFire hahahah awesome
eLi
eLi
g9t
19:45
@ColdFire Is it because of the flat out refusal to be language inclusive yet all this drama is currently happening because of pronoun inclusivity?
lmao no
okay haha
Was trying to think of something that was sort of tangentially related
i kinda already said that indian language were treated with very hostility here
ofcourse that is part of a larger problem
also /shrug a very old debate done and dusted
ah, I see. it's directed at me and all those times I made fun of your English
But I'm ok with that
19:48
lol you made fun of my english ?
English is not an indian language lmao
uh, no...where did you get that from?
I didn't
me either
Stop arguing or I'll report the both of you. Or be inclusive and include me in your hate for one another! Either way I am offended and from now I identify as indian woman my prefered pronoun is nana, so when you address me address me nananana.
lol
@ballBreaker its actually not related to SO just related to the same issue SO is facing rn
19:58
ahh
I think there has yet to be a successful implementation of inclusivity thus far, so to me, stack exchange is really really really stupid for trying to be the first to successfully do this lol
But I think everyone is in the same boat with that thinking
I think SE follows Hanlon's razor a little too closely tbh
Hanlon's razor is an aphorism expressed in various ways, including: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."An eponymous law, probably named after a Robert J. Hanlon, it is a philosophical razor which suggests a way of eliminating unlikely explanations for human behavior. == Origin == Inspired by Occam's razor, the aphorism became known in this form and under this name by the Jargon File, a glossary of computer programmer slang. Later that same year, the Jargon File editors noted lack of knowledge about the term's derivation and the existence of a sim...
Anyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyways
@ballBreaker donald trump must be really fucking dumb
btw tulsi is back in race i heard
i look forward to see the 4th debate
smart move, stocks are tanking right now
20:09
cf you don't live in the US don't give into that bs
US politics
it sucks you in
oh i just love the format
and it's a waste of time
and i like that candidates are given space to voice their opinion
20:09
it even sucked SO in apparently
xD
naah i am not so much suck into US politics
I distanced myself from Indian politics for the same reason , too much unproductive time waste
@DaveS hehehe
I thought that was the common belief
ok lmao the meta chatroom
The world is going to hell in a hand-basket and we're stuck worrying about how to not hurt people's feelings
also done for the day o/
20:19
later CF
cya CF ^^
later cF
@ColdFire see ya, homey
this meta drama is making it difficult to stay focused
20:29
I experienced the same at work
this php is making it difficult to stay focused
I did listen to about a third of the one mod's youtube video about why she left SO
which was mostly about horses
lmao
was that yvette?
I We think she likes horses
We need to remember to use our preferred pronoun
to be fair, she started the post (titled "Why I left SO") by saying that most of the video wasn't about so
lol
20:31
lmao
hahah yeah have you seen the Meta Room
it's such a shit show rn
our preferred pronoun is "we", not "you" bb
no, I thought 15 was enough of a distraction
if bb qualifies something as shit show, you know it's serious
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public function authenticateRequest() {
    return true;
  }
20:33
"we" know Mehdi, please respect the CoC
#security
//This is just to get the prototype working, will implement later (made it to production)
hard facepalm
lmao, Dave
@codeMagic 😂😂😂
hahahaha
I forget where it's called to double check, but I think it actually verifies somewhere else then calls this is it authenticates
lol
20:35
but I don't know. whatevs
Careful cM you're leaking cutting edge intellectual property XD
hence my earlier message
1 hour ago, by codeMagic
QA: "I can test 'this way' blah blah
ME: "I kind of don't give a shit about this anymore"
Hahaha
I really think they should release 10 other seasons of trailer park boys
They can't, Mr. Lahey is dead, RIP
yeah T_T
I was sad that they got rid of corey too
Well, more accurately, that Corey left
20:38
i We didn't make it that far, corey is great
bummer
Yeah but trevor stayed
I got used to no corey tbf
was pretty dumb
@MehdiB. Yeah same here, was pretty lame though
changed the whole show dynamic
yeah but we got another dumb XD
I literally just went into the Meta Room and mentioned "ketchup sandwich followed by a nice glass of mayonnaise"
20:39
lmao meta just became a gallery
and it ended the drama in it's tracks
But ricky is on a way different league
oh wrong chat
> the old: keep your friends close and your enemies' toaster
Now everyone in the Meta Room is talking about ketchup sandwiches and mayonnaise vs mircale whip
lmao
Who would have thought that me, bB, has the potential to stop drama
20:40
you started sandwich drama though
That's true
lol well done
wait I missed that gallery bit
all of meta is a gallery now?
or just that mod resignation stuff
a chat room can't be partially a gallery
tbh I'm not even really sure what gallery means in this context
20:44
Like 15 where you have to be granted access to have write access
that room is boring
I thought the gallery was in reference to the actual site, not the chat room
So that makes more sense..but also confused because I've been in there no issues
they made it gallery after you were in there
20:46
I joined the wrong room, the meta comment archive
and thought the main room was gallery locked
@MehdiB. it's bb's fault, he stopped the drama
and Dave was in the wrong room
so he didn't know what he was saying
ohhhhhh
so it was Dave's fault
gotcha
@DaveS one could restart it by implying that going along the flow (bb's sandwich comment) is a quality characteristic of sheep 😏
@codeMagic so he we didn't know what he was we were saying
man i migrated some stuff from rx to coroutines
and its bonkers
20:52
how so?
its way less boilerplate and overhead
i guess il have to run some perf testing in the future
but so far im really pleased
nice, would be great to do away with rx
nah rx is still awesome
and it has completely different usecase than coroutines

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