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7:00 PM
thats why I did the slash
 
Tim
it's much more sophisticated
 
XD
 
haha yeah, can't forget to include that you also need to carry the canoe to the water
 
Tim
I know but this is the only thing I could come up with to pretend that I'm a portaging expert after hearing you talk about it once
 
some people might miss that part
 
7:01 PM
Portaging doesn't look as fun as canoeing, why not just buy a new canoe at every canoeing spot?
 
hahaha you are basically an expert though at this point
I think you're onto something big there mehdi
 
remove all negativity and things that add weight to your advancement
there are of course other more cost efficient ways to get canoes but most of which are prosecutable, so wouldn't recommend
@ballBreaker sorry to hear :/ what's happening?
 
hahaha
they just need to have little canoe drop off/pickup stations at each lake entrance/exit
and charge a fat premium for the people who don't want to portage/carry their canoes xD
not a bad idea from where I'm sitting
 
they could also have people with big muscles portaging for sophisticated people like yourself
 
@Mehdi well I put in a massive effort to push our apps to be upgraded to Java 8, and now that it's happening the executives are going back and deciding if they want to entirely re-write the applications instead of just upgrading the java versions/etc. Which is great.. for the company. The bad part is that if they decide to rewrite them, it'll be outsourced to a vendor company. 99% of my coding comes from these systems, so essentially my job will become obsolete
 
Tim
7:07 PM
 
I had this worry and talked to my CIO about it about a month ago now, and I was kind of hoping he would assure me that my job would remain and I would keep coding, but instead he basically said that my worries were true and my gut feeling here is correct
 
@Tim hahahaha perfect reference XD
@ballBreaker ... damn
 
his solution to this is that there are two new roles coming in since they just opened up a new department of architecture
 
I take it you know and are in contact with the vendor companies?
 
one of them is some salesforce business analyst (ew) and the second is a solution architect.. so I've been kind of trying to gun for this solution architect role which would at least be a few steps up the ladder in my career, but the downside is that it'll be 0% coding
further downsides are that I would be like a fish out of water, I know solution architecture, but not sure that I would know enough to be a stand-alone guy doing this on my own with no help
So I've been kind of forced into a corner, where if I want to stay at my company I'll likely need to shift to a different role which I might not enjoy (and abandon coding), or I'll need to leave the company I like to risk getting hired somewhere where I can remain coding
@Mehdi yeah I work with them closely, and last time something like this happened it was all "oh bb don't worry, they'll do the coding and then you'll do the support. You'll be programming don't worry" and then I never heard of that project again 3 years later..
So I'm very anxious right now with my future at the company, because 2 months ago I was basically in the mindset that I'd be sticking around forever, and now I'm like... uhhh idk wtf is going to happen
 
7:12 PM
@ballBreaker no no I meant more like: "hey guys, you wouldn't have an opening? I'd like to see something new" => good value for them since you know the client context and environment
 
like an opening at their company to get hired there?
 
Tim
bb you can work at my company
 
yes bb, it's a pretty common scheme
 
yeah I was thinking about that today, but I hate IT consulting
 
Tim
we don't do IT consulting :/
 
7:13 PM
I purposefully chose a job this time around that wasn't consulting because I hated it and wanted to get out of it, and that's what that company does
@Tim hehe sorry was replying to mehdi, that is a super nice offer tim and I apprecaite that
would I have to move to NL
 
Tim
you can work at any of the offices listed here mediamonks.com
we have an office in toronto by the looks of it
 
you also do AR & VR :O
 
Tim
no but our mobile department is only like 0.5% of the whole company
we are the nerds in the corner, everyone else does the cool things
 
oh very interesting
 
@ballBreaker so products companies?
 
Tim
7:18 PM
ah yeah I have heard of one of the projects on that page
saw it mentioned in an email
 
probably an R&D department right?
 
damn doesn't look like there are any open jobs in the toronto location
@Mehdi yeah that's what I'm looking for, someone that does their in-house programming
 
btw, FYI, in the IT world in Germany you usually get 30 days vacations (so 6 work weeks)
 
Tim
we got bumped up from 22 to 25 days this year. And that number will never go up again
 
I'm also very anxious about applying for a new job because I feel like I've become very stale technology wise, I was already bad at coding interviews, and now I've done java 6 for 3 years lol
 
Tim
7:20 PM
yeah same
if I ever have to switch jobs I'll be a junior again because I don't know anything
 
Hello guys, I like your talk about jobs. Im a software engineer (in Mexico)
 
yeah that's how I feel too tim
 
and that guys is the exact definition of impostor syndrom XD
 
so part of me just wants to go for this architect role, but I'm scared that it'll be way over my head, or I'll despise it
 
I'd like to go to USA to work
 
Tim
7:21 PM
it's only imposter syndrome if you're not as bad as you think you are
 
hahahah
 
so I feel very uncomfortably stuck in a position right now
 
Tim
john I see my company has an office in mexico, perhaps we are colleagues
 
Excellent Tim, by the way. Im Mexican (this is not my real name: John Harris)
 
Tim
that's fine my real name is also not Tim
by the way have you seen the show "Norsemen"? It is really good
 
7:23 PM
Cool, we have more than one thing in common
 
it's clearly "Juan Harris"
 
@JohnHarris XD
 
you can't fool us this easily
 
Tim
I just picked Tim as my online name because I saw it somewhere and it was the most beautiful name I ever saw
 
I haven't seen that show. I have little Time, I have been working as a freelancer for clients from India, Spain, Mexico, and currently Argentina.
 
7:23 PM
@ballBreaker i would apply to a company you don't necessarily want and get a feel on how the industry assesses candidates nowadays and use that as a training to fine tune future interviews / versions of your CV
 
hahah Juan Harris
5
 
@Mehdi that's not a bad idea
I'm currently stuck in the "why me" phase though unfortunately lmao
 
@Tim sound good
 
o/
I can sell my phone for 585 euro
 
I feel like it cannot be stated enough how much I despise applying for jobs and interviewing for jobs, I would literally almost rather die
 
7:25 PM
85 euro profit still, but there is no other model like this for sale right now
 
Tim
you came at a good time btw, meet mehdi the boss, ballbreaker the funny guy, and me a little bit of both
 
@ballBreaker don't make me link what would Murat say if he was here
 
I need to figure out how to switch mindsets on that
 
what is happening?
 
@Tim and mwb, the deal maker
 
7:25 PM
Hi Tim, nice to meet you
 
@Tim how are you?
@Mehdi buddy where you have been?
@ballBreaker what's up dude?
 
@JohnHarris hello sir, are you new to this room?
 
@MwBakker why you want to sell your phone?
 
@bluetoothfx not much just fretting about the future and too tired to do anything about it in the moment
 
@ballBreaker just dive head first, check the company's glassdoor to get an idea of how the interview process is and just go for it
 
7:27 PM
@ballBreaker want to do something?
 
@bluetoothfx I bought a mi 10 ultra which has absolute massive specs but it might be a bit overkill imo. I don't need 12GB RAM for example
 
:52753719 hmm I mean, I looked at freelancing a bit before this job and it seemed like a lot of work for potentially little gain
 
Tim
selling contents of john's deleted message for 1$
 
@MwBakker don't sell your phone
 
why not?
 
7:27 PM
@Tim xD Tim
 
@Mehdi ugh I just don't even know what I want to do right now about my situation
 
@MwBakker data breach
 
thing was 250 over my budget
 
@ballBreaker what happened to you?
 
Tim
sorry john I gotta feed the kids
 
7:28 PM
@bluetoothfx read up above, I don't really wanna repeat for 3rd time today
 
@bluetoothfx I wipe it through recovery mode, there is 0 data traceable of me when Im selling it
 
@ballBreaker when in doubt, go for all options and pick the best candidate at the end
 
Is there anyone want to open a virtual company @Tim any idea?
 
Tim
yes my old buddy cold fire would have liked the idea, he also has enough money to invest
but I haven't seen him in a few years
 
@Tim you guys need a wacko developper?
 
7:29 PM
@ballBreaker that seems a good reason. For me as a Mexican a project that is paid 5000 USD in 1 or 2 months is a good amount (living in Mexico). But checking the average monthly income of a full stack developer its more than 5000 and per month.
 
Tim
covid might have gotten him
 
well my options right now are:
1) Do nothing
2) Apply for other jobs
3) Apply for this role coming at my company
@JohnHarris yeah the thing that freaks me out/turns me off of that, is that it is just consulting but for yourself
 
@ballBreaker 4) 2 & 3
 
Tim
ballbreaker is from canada, those guys don't even come out of their beds for 5000 USD
 
hahaha
 
7:30 PM
I come out of my bed to pick up trash
or stocks
 
noble
 
@Tim is 5000 considered to be a good amount in the US or Canada? because in Mexico it is a good amount.
 
@Mehdi yeah this is the plan basically
first step is to brush up my resume to include my current stuff
 
bro, brushing up a CV is a 1h thing max
 
Tim
In US it is a lot of money because most people in US are poor. But Canadians are rich usually
 
7:31 PM
US poor :/
 
I don't think you understand mehdi
 
Nice, I was offered a job at OSOLOT Technologies, Im really planning to move to Florida
 
1 hr of the thing I want to do the least in the world is like 12 hours of something I wouldn't mind doing
 
Im scared to move to USA, I will be alone
 
Tim
I have been in florida (no joke) people there are nice
 
7:32 PM
so really, brushing up the CV is like a 12 hour ordeal for me
 
hahaha yeah but you gotta be aggressive for job hunting, and you're on a deadline, no room for this
 
I don't really want to blame my adhd as I have to accept responsibility, but man it makes it hard
I got laid off and it took me like 3 months to apply for a job while I was basically starving to death
 
Tim
make a deal with yourself, play games for 6h, resume for 10 mins, games 6 hr, resume 10 min, repeat, you will get there
 
but yeah its something I gotta do, and yeah tim that's how it'll end up going
 
@ballBreaker do you have those meetings where you only say: "Hi all - sorry I was on mute - Thanks, Bye"
 
7:35 PM
@Tim Im happy about that, I sen't them my cv but I think I was now who they were looking for (c# and angular) but im most experienced at Nuxt, Vue, Mongoose, Node.js, PWA, Hybrid apps... I hope to find something in the US because im kind of tired of freelancing
 
@Mehdi fortunately I do not
 
would have been the best platform to update your CV
 
haha yeah those meetings are great for getting other stuff done
 
Tim
I can imagine that John, it is much better if you work for a company and can just go to the toilet for an hour and still get paid
 
@ballBreaker That sounds bad bro, I don't wish anyone to starve to death
 
7:35 PM
@Tim XDDDD
 
@JohnHarris haha yeah it wasn't the best, I mean I didn't actually starve but I went massively into debt that I'm still JUST recovering from 3 years later
 
would you update your CV if we kicked you from the room for 1h?
 
@Tim I don't plan to waste time (or the company's) but I accept there are some times when you need to rest just for a bit.
 
hahahaha not today, I'm feeling too glum for it today
 
Tim
I meant pooping not sleeping lol
 
7:37 PM
@ballBreaker Still I understand what that is like. Im glad you are recovering from that
 
and I actually have some work to do, but tomorrow I'll basically have finished all my work so I'm going to work on this tomorrow
@JohnHarris thanks man!
 
I advise you to activate on Linkedin the feature "open to new positions" so that recruiters contact you, no effort
 
Tim
but I catch your drift dawg
 
@Tim Right, I said that because here in Mexico there are people who "go to the toilet" but in reality they are in the phone, or doing something else but pooping
 
@Mehdi interesting.. I'll take a look! I've been harassed by recruiters in the past lmao so I probably turned that off
any idea if my current employers can see that?
 
Tim
7:38 PM
I see what you mean
 
@ballBreaker they don't, they say "we hide it from your employer as best as we can"
@JohnHarris does that make you angry?
 
@ballBreaker I am being harassed by recruiters too (but from Mexico and many underpaid jobs :( )
 
okay cool, I'll check that out then! Thanks for the heads up ^^
@JohnHarris hahaha yeah it's the worst when it's something you're not interested in, and a blessing when it is
@Mehdi I think once I make the decision that I need to leave, my desire to get a new job will highly outweigh my reluctance to apply, or at least I'm hoping lmao
but I'll put some work in here and there into my CV/linkedin/etc in the meantime
 
@ballBreaker true. A blessing when is something you want
 
a switch might be welcome any way. I'm just scared of leaving a company I like to start working at a company I might not like, but that's silly
 
7:41 PM
if you were open to learning the basics of Apache Spark (very simple), my company is looking for people like that
 
@ballBreaker Excellent!. Im pretty sure you will find a lot of offers in Linked in
 
or on the alternative, that I put all this work into my CV/Resume/applying, and then end up getting this new role and liking it, but I guess that's also silly as it's not going to be wasted effort
 
@ballBreaker I know, that's really scary.
 
@Mehdi any offices in toronto, and if not would they do remote? I actually have worked with apache spark before
@JohnHarris btw! You can reply to specific messages, there is a little arrow |-> at the very far right-side of each message for direct message replies
 
@ballBreaker unfortunately no, you also wouldn't wanna have less vacations days, healthcare etc... would you?
 
7:43 PM
@Mehdi yeah likely not haha
not really looking for any downgrades
 
I mean that Germany would be a significant upgrade
 
I think the worst case scenario of me doing nothing won't be me being fired, but they'll likely arbitrarily put me into a role I don't like
oh I see what you meant, sorry I didn't understand at first
yeah I don't think moving across the world is a viable option for me
 
@ballBreaker Thanks! That's cool
Im scared of leaving my country and being alone, not knowing anyone but I will definitely go to if the opportunity comes to me. (Or after this project im working on is finished I will find the opportunity).
 
although.. it does look tempting every year as toronto becomes more expensive and real estate unobtainable
 
Tim
john, nice to meet you. I'm gonna eat dinner but hope to speak to you in the future.
 
7:46 PM
@JohnHarris that's how I feel as well, it took me about 5 years in my current city to establish my friend group and my family lives decently close still.. idea of moving countries scares tf out of me
 
@Tim It was a pleasure, enjoy your food
 
I guess if I had to chose though, I'd move to Australia, or somewhere in europe
 
@Tim i'm sorry Tim, but I don't remember having been treated/addressed by you in such a professional manner
 
@ballBreaker 5 years wow. I guess it's scary for most of us. I think we have to take risks to accomplish what we want.
 
yeah that's true! I definitely dont' blame you in your situation, moving from Mexico to a more developed country, but realistically for me, everything I need should be able to be found where I am
so it seems like less reward for the same risk
 
7:49 PM
@ballBreaker i was incredibly lucky to having settled in Berlin 1.5y before Covid to build a circle of friends, I can't imagine how would I have lived the covid period otherwise
 
yeah that's a good point mehdi lmao that would have been hell
 
@ballBreaker You are lucky to be able to find what you need without having to do something like me. I like my country but most of the jobs are underpaid, and many people or businesses are now willing to invest in technology because they don't see the value in it or how to earn more money by using it. I have an uncle that owns a huge factory in Mexico but still has little technology.
@Mehdi Good for you
 
Thank you, John :)
 
@JohnHarris Yeah that makes sense, the priorities aren't the same so you need to leave to find a country that aligns with your priorities
I know many people in Toronto that left Mexico to come here for that reason
I feel like I need to do a lot of heavy hallucinogens and do a spirit quest to figure out what to do with my life lol
 
very random but interesting article sciencenews.org/blog/gory-details/…
 
7:55 PM
I'm not even sure that I want to spend the rest of my life in this city... I'll pretty much never own a house here with how screwed the real estate market is
 
@ballBreaker Exactly
 
I guess my best move is as mehdi said though, I should at least brush up my CV, Linkedin, and see what kind of opportunities are out there for me right now
 
@ballBreaker You don't really need to. I have had that question before, I have questioned myself the purpose of leaving, and thought about how no matter what we do, we are all still going to the same place (we all die at the end). It does not matter if you suffered, were happy, successful or not, etc. And based on that, I try to just enjoy my life, why suffer when I can be happy
 
I've known my future is a big question mark, but this has highlighted it and it's making me act on it a lot sooner than I was planning
 
yeah just scout the market and interview processes
 
7:58 PM
@JohnHarris That's smart! I agree with you honestly
 
You just have to act
 
That's one thing that freaks me out about staying at this company and applying for this architect role... programming is something I enjoy doing everyday and look forward to doing everyday, do I really want to take a role where I won't have that?
I have too many questions for myself and not enough answers
 
before leaving, I just wanna highlight that a job change is not the end of the world, you're not bound by a chain or anything
you can experiment whatever's on your mind and make a decision afterwards
 
that's true
I'm just bad with unknowns in the future and it makes me want to act right now in some way
but not on job applications or resumes lmfao
getrekt
 
hahaha
 
8:01 PM
haha but thanks for the advice man, I really appreciate it <3 and John as well!
 
well, friends, I need to leave for the night, it was fun, cya! :)
 
what's your company called?
 
see you @Mehdi
 
send me on discord if you aren't comfy @Mehdi
 
@ballBreaker just take a decision.
 
8:02 PM
@ballBreaker anytime! hope you're able to organise your thoughts soon :)
@ballBreaker will do now
 
I have to go now. It was a pleasure talking to you all guys
Greeting from Mexico
Peace and love
 
@JohnHarris haha yeah it's one of those things though, the more I think about my current situation the more doors that open for my possible solutions to it, I didn't really consider leaving the country.. but the more I think about it, I wasn't even sure I'd be staying here my whole life anyways, so more questions I need to answer for myself
@JohnHarris Nice to meet you man, pop back again and chat sometimes!
@MwBakker hahaha are you doing that job again/still ?
 
not yet
im either a barman this summer or going back to garbage untill my meeting at the 25th and see what that results in
 
tres amigos
ola
 
whats on the 25th?
 
8:10 PM
christmas
 
xd
@MwBakker meeting with your hiring agency?
 
right?
sup guys?
 
hahaha
 
having a shitty day innit?
week days are shit
 
@ballBreaker no some blokes from an IT company that may have work for me that include more field work
 
8:11 PM
the real happiness lays in the weekend
good luck with that dude
 
thanks
im having a hard time deciding to sell my phone or not
 
why?
 
because selling it means I need to find a different phone, at least an Oppo Find X2 or Xioami mi 10 pro or just the same model I am selling now
But it also means 85 euro profit
 
@grrigore yeah I'm not having the best day today lol I woke up tired and coming off of a 3-day weekend so it's extra monday
 
ewww
 
8:17 PM
@MwBakker did you get your phone back that was stolen?
 
I don't think so lol
we know what we're doing xD
 
@ballBreaker no, and insurance is giving me about 100 euro in return
and to compensate the shit feeling of theft and figural theft by insurance I bought my dreamphone, but principally I dont like spending that much on a phone so I thought I'll sell it with 100 euro profit and then at least there is that. But it might take a while when I find this phone again for sale in germany
 
xD
keep it
you deserve it
 
I also deserve more money than the lousy insurance payout
 
8:22 PM
\o
 
cannot control that tho
 
sure I can, with fraud
but I dont have the character for such things, so that's an ethical "nope"
 
any Kotlin peeps around?
 
Embrace Flutter my friend
 
@MwBakker so which phone are you selling then I'm confused
 
8:26 PM
@CarlAnderson no im sorry, can't help
 
oh nvm
just saw the message below
 
I'll embrace flutter after I embrace phonegap and react native
 
jesus illustrator is such a pain to use
seems so unintuitive compared to other adobe products
 
Jesus Illustrator™ for all your religious art needs
 
heh
 
8:29 PM
xD
 
@CarlAnderson me kinda
lil peep
wtf is phonegap?
 
I have a Hashmap<String, List<Int> > and I have a Pair<String, Int>. I want to check if my hashmap already has the String in my pair, and then if it does, add the Int to the corresponding List. Does that make sense?
so I'm writing if (myMap.containsKey(myPair.first)) { myMap[myPair.first].add(myPair.second) }
but Kotlin doesn't like that because the key could have been removed after the if check
 
oh that's weird
hurts my java brain
 
@CarlAnderson how?
different thread accessing?
 
8:40 PM
something something mutex?
 
no, there's a way to do this the Kotlin™ way, but I don't know what it is
 
@CarlAnderson sounds like good 'ol nested for eaches to me then
 
lol
 
@grrigore phonegap was the first attempt at a cross-platform mobile language
 
and Flutter became the final answer
 
8:53 PM
hmm
so you need myPair.first right?
maybe try some filter?
I guess if you use something that returns the key the problem might go away
 
actually I think what I want is:
myMap[myPair.first]?.apply { add(myPair.second) }
 
you're welcome
xD
I see
 

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