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14:02
xD
It's all gone quiet... here's a Tim meme to brighten the day
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:)
every day is better when it starts out with a fresh tim meme
@MarkO'Sullivan "come at me bro"
Eski xD
@MarkO'Sullivan he should mark his own words
Tim meme
It kinda rhymes too
14:31
Mornight!
Yo ray!
@RumitPatel it means you're lazy, as your description states
Maukerrrrr
@MarkO'Sullivan XD
14:42
CFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
Hmmm, needle soup
Or should I say noodles?
English is confusing :(
I guess only fakirs like needle soap
I mean soup
yeah, don't eat needles
Anyway, what's today's topic?
14:53
Frogs are always a good topic
🤖
Raghav came out of nowhere and asserted his dominance on the entire room with 3 letters
14:58
I can be the new frog's Dave!
Characters, technically
. is not a letter
@RaymondArteaga Beautiful
I know! I was the one on the right but definitely younger
@TimCastelijns, Okay...... :-( that means you are not going to guide bro.
I need to solve my self. :-(
@eski I think bot should get a !tim command for posting a random Tim meme
15:07
Tim already gave you some pretty solid advice, Rumit, we aren't big on doing an end to end project for others here
We can teach you how to fish, and the rest is up to Darwin
@MarkO'Sullivan and have it use DeepFakes so it can be a new one every time
that reminds me of the time a coworker made a custom build of our app that replaced everyone's face with another coworker
I think there's already plenty to rotate between
@eski that sounds interesting, how did they make it?
@RumitPatel strong apps use wake Lock all time, use FLAG_KEEP_SCREEN_ON on services and require charging status for execution
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15:12
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it just used the face tracking api
Omg, that would be an awesome useless feature
I have read and understood the rules
Good!
Welcome!
15:14
Wow! At first!
Thanks
Just user I and the other room owners are happy to have you over here!
Just don't ever criticize frogs and you'll be fine
Oh, and don't criticize cats neither
Nor bots
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Thanks. Oh, I will try not too! ;)
Xor raghav
15:17
"Oh, and don't criticize cats neither" now you made it hard!
You were off to a good start, don't push it.
I'm from Somalia
So don't judge!
Or one of our ROs might start to get on fire with the ban hammer
15:20
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@nil lol it now points to whitehouse.gov
guys mark's bday is coming up, we should do something nice for him
Okay, I'm sold, let's do it
When is it
15:32
tuesday
lets discuss this on monday
@RaghavSood Ok @RaghavSood... well understand.
@RaghavSood me too.
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15:44
@TimCastelijns we should do something nice for Tims birthday too! It's really soon
at my age birthdays are no longer a happy occasion
When is it
nor at mine
tuesday murat
thats marks isn't it
15:49
it's mine
i am confused
we have the same bday
oh wow
Well we can do something for Mark, but it's a bit too late for Tim lets try next year for him
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when designing databases, is it customary to "separate concerns" for tables? Or do you dump everything in 1 table for ease of access
15:56
Depends entirely on what your data is like
ok can you give me solution please
Need more details, closing as too broad
o/
I had this schema in bot database but I think it sucks
object AccessRequests: IntIdTable() {
val userId = long("userId")
val processed = bool("processed").default(false)
val processedAt = long("processedAt").nullable()
val processedBy = varchar("processedBy", 255).nullable()
val createdAt = long("createdAt")
val granted = bool("granted").nullable()
val revoked = bool("revoked").nullable()
val shouldMonitor = bool("shouldMonitor").default(false)
}
I was thinking at least the monitor prop should be extracted
OMG that really sucks
16:01
CODE! I SEE CODE! KILL THAT RO!
how many of you android devs feel there should be a official charting library for android from google?
doing 2D myself is always fun. So I say fuck it! I do my own charts!
they will find a way to tie it directly to the lifecycle, so no thanks
@TimCastelijns it is customary to have atomic schemas on each table (User => stuff related to users only), then depending on the queries you wanna do create other entities with foreign keys
wow!. interesting responses
warren appreciate your enthusiasm for writing own charts
16:03
I did a bitcoin price chart for an interview.... the chart was cool and awesome. Really don't know why they did not hire me
drawing charts manually is the most satisfying thing
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yes !
tim hates lifecycle :(
It looks okay for the moment, but for future proofing, I would like do something like this:

1. Access actions table : userID_fk, access_given (revoked, read, write, no special), time, commanding_ro, should_monitor
2. Users table: User ID, some stats like number requested, etc.
You can then add future extensions based on the user table as a source of truth
As in, graph stats for users over time by adding a stats table that logs rep etc.
Add more data regarding access requests, re requests, users that actually improve and come back etc.
But for the current functionality, a single table is fine
and the nice thing is that you can always flatten the table by joining them together at some point in your future sql queries
16:05
I had in mind to store each request separately
Yeah, you could add a requests table and tie it to users and access_actions
Request: requestId - userId - actionId
oh you mean table 1. is like a log
Table 1 is one row per request resolution. Table 2 is a list of users. Table 3 can be a requests table that stores req_id, user_id_fk, time, actioned, etc.
Then table 1 can have a foreign key to table 2 and table 3
16:08
Your user table should be the root table, really. Table 1 and 3 have foreign keys to the user ID there, and to each other depending on the flow
1 nice tip is to avoid FKeys on business tables (user / requests) even if they fill the current requirement
but instead make a middle entity between the 2, helps the schema scales and become more extensible in the future
Dunno, never made anything that got so popular I had to worry about SQL scaling :D
oh right I heard about that sql trick
I just use graph dbs and kvs now
Works well enough for me
I use S3 and parquet files now
16:11
I need to get into the hadoop stuff
This graph db can only survive so long
Looks like people are moving out from hadoop to object storages (aws S3 etc..)
I use some sql wrapper lib for kotlin by jetbrains
it looked nice but my god it sucks
If I can write a good indexer for the blockchain stuff, I would love to use an object store backend
My graph dbs work, but the resource usage is insane
20 GB of raw data ends up as about 800 gb of db
I imagine the bigger chains will be cost prohibitive to index
Now, if I can maintain some mappings in a SQL or graph or kv store, and put the actual data in an object store, we could do wonders
Sucks for speed, tho
What I really want is a hadoop cluster I can toss a few TB of data at and get sub 20ms queries
or I should get a cluster with a few TB of RAM so I can keep the graph edges in memory
I know some of these words
I think hadoop is pretty slow for that, it's meant for batch accesses
16:16
Lol
Yeah, not hadoop specifically, but I'm looking at most large-scale data stores
To be fair, the regular data access is fairly concise and batched, and there will be large amounts of caching
But for the analytics side, I need speed + liveness
Few TB of ram?
I'll settle for 10 or so
excuse my probably stupid question, but wouldn't it be exactly the use case of an indexer such as ElasticSearch?
Yes, but I'm not made of money lol
16:19
XD
I spec'd out a cluster for elasticsearch for this, and it was.... expensive
Now, if I can stuff most of the data in S3 or B2 or a huge raid nas and just keep some nice indexes locally, that would be lovely
The graph db I'm using now seemed like a good middle ground
Easy to add new machines to the cluster, relatively compact at storing stuff, kv backed
seems like even userId is considered personal data
I planned to have people opt in to map their id to their name
not sure if it even matters
@RaghavSood oh okay :D
@TimCastelijns how so? you have no way to identify a user identity by using his ID since it's SO internal
Store user ID hashes?
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16:25
o/
user443346
@TimCastelijns Unless it's a chart showing your finances
user443346
;-;
@MehdiB. you can easily look up the user name and possibly location which are identifiable
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I think elasticsearch was coming out to around $16k or so a month in GCP costs
Probably be closer to 12k after all their discounts
Still, that's 11,960 more per month than I have to spend on this
16:28
> ‘personal data’ means any information relating to an identified or identifiable natural person (‘data subject’); an identifiable natural person is one who can be identified, directly or indirectly, in particular by reference to an identifier such as a name, an identification number, location data, an online identifier or to one or more factors specific to the physical, physiological, genetic, mental, economic, cultural or social identity of that natural person;
how gdpr defines it
Have you considered moving to Russia?
Or have CF host your servers
2nd is an option
Jan 20 at 22:13, by Cold Fire
i know try suing me in india you will regret that for life
Yeah, they'll only get a courtdate in time to meet his great grand children princes and princesses
I don't even know if I should be thinking about this crap
16:39
@MarkO'Sullivan Are you farming stars using my artwork and not crediting me!?
Here comes the ocus pocus
Sup ocus
Sup ocus
Here comes me
Not much
hello CA
16:53
o/ everyone
(how impolite
@OcuS syntax error missing ')'
17:11
@SurajRao ban spree yay
)
sorry about that
Is person of interest a series worth watching?
Hello, Android!
17:26
o/
setting up whole pc
pain in the head
so the CEO of my company went to a Idaho Technology Council meeting that he says was marketed as "how to find money for your business in Idaho". His take away: "marry a rich man"
17:55
lol
o/ all
@OcuS sorry! Credits to you, I have no idea who makes the memes, I just save and repost them
Just a heads up, it's #BellLetsTalk day in Canada where they're trying to remove the stigma with mental health. A fantastic campaign where they're putting money for every tweet with the hashtag and for every time their video is watched towards mental health initiatives. For more info: letstalk.bell.ca/en
@Code-Apprentice That was my plan
Didn't work :(
18:23
I don't think we talk about mental health much here but if you are struggling with anything, you're not alone, please reach out for help! I very nearly lost one of my best friends due to depression but thankfully he's in a better place after getting help.
Awww :) Thanks Mark, you're awesome
And likewise
has much experience
I care about this community don't want people here to be secretly hurting and afraid to speak out and seek help, which is why I wanted to post about it
@Graeme if it's yourself, I hope you're in a much better place Graeme!
Meh, mental health is one of those up and down things
Sometimes not something you get over, something you learn about
But thanks for checking up :)
Okay, off to teach people about Espresso. Wish me luck!
Yeah i've been told it's a rollercoaster, can have real ups and downs and pretty unpredictable but there's things which can help. I think hearing from other people's experience with mental health has helped me be more aware of my own mental health and more aware of people around me and why they might be acting differently
Have fun with the espresso training! Bonus points if you teach it while drinking espresso :D
18:34
Espresso??
I'm facing issues with it right now lmao
@Graeme Ahh good luck!
Espresso patronum bro
I wanna give that talk again this year. A better version (hopefully)
Man has that been on my to read list for a year already
lmaooo
Well now you may as well wait for the enhanced version
Sounds good. I'll put it on my to read list when it comes out
Just post the link and it will preview the tweet here
19:18
just met up with @Murat @Warren & @Mehdi for the first time!!
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:o
Amazing!
But you conveniently didn't meet Tim when he was in Germany... 🤔🤔🤔
Where are the pics dude
Sep 21 '18 at 21:21, by Tim Castelijns
@ahmad I'm at the meeting point. Where are you
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#neverForget
Did you eat Frikandel speciaal?
19:39
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Here it is! We were still sober at this time!
Amazing!
nice
19:59
look at all those young people
Funny store @Mauker, do you want to tell it or should I?
TL;DR: I'm an idiot.
Log twice debug once
Now long version:
20:07
Story mode set to verbose
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My logcat was spitting things duplicated, always. Like saying that the activity went through "onCreate()" twice.
2019-01-30 16:37:46.501 18795-18795/app.pakkas.cliente D/MainActivity: onCreate()
2019-01-30 16:37:46.502 18795-18795/app.pakkas.cliente D/MainActivity: onCreate()
Like this
Then, after some time... I realized that the problem was Timber... The DebugTree was being planted twice.
@MarkO'Sullivan "he's in a better place" that is what you say after someone has been suffering and finally passed away...
@WarrenFaith which one is Ahmad?
@Code-Apprentice The intern looking fella
20:25
LOL
@Code-Apprentice no he's not passed away thankfully
@MarkO'Sullivan My dyslexia made me read that very very wrong.
20:45
@MarkO'Sullivan I had to read your post twice to understand that =p
Phew, I wasn't the only one
@WarrenFaith cool! Who is who?
I had no trouble reading it
The Hyper Text Coffee Pot Control Protocol (HTCPCP) is a facetious communication protocol for controlling, monitoring, and diagnosing coffee pots. It is specified in RFC 2324, published on 1 April 1998 as an April Fools' Day RFC, as part of an April Fools prank. An extension, HTCPCP-TEA, was published as RFC 7168 on 1 April 2014 to support brewing teas, which is also an April Fools' Day RFC. == Protocol == RFC 2324 was written by Larry Masinter, who describes it as a satire, saying "This has a serious purpose – it identifies many of the ways in which HTTP has been extended inappropriately." The...
21:04
@TimCastelijns going from the left, warren - murat - me - ahmad
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@MehdiB. I was kidding :D I know all of your faces
phew XD
21:36
I feel lazy today :(
Same. But I have it every day
😂😂😂
I'm always more excited about hunting bugs than my regular everyday work
Is that normal?
for a frog, yes
21:46
LMAO eski
twas a good one
-_-
I mean: I love spending 2 entire days trying to fix an issue or to achieve something I've never done, but when I work just to cover easily implementable features, I start feeling extra lazy
that's classical for developers, we tend to prefer the technical challenges instead of doing what we already know
yeps
But I almost always have to do what I already know :(
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21:51
I didn't recognize Ahmad at first without his teal t-shirt, pale face, large black eyes and lack of a nose
I wish I have been a genetic engineer instead
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Damn, all caps dream crushing
I wonder what aab is?
21:53
it's the build after aaa
Eski needs to lose 11 rep ASAP
or gain 1100
it was 6667 yesterday
22:17
@TimCastelijns we thought we were good having 3 members of R15... they had to 1 up us :|
22:39
So I assume you've all heard of Fyre Festival and the netflix documentary etc?
Our Fyresite instagram account has gained 5k+ followers since that came out because people are thinking we are related, and not all them are nice people
so we've had to run a meme campaign disassociating ourselves
LOL
it's kinda funny
is it people that bought tickets for it?
the saltiest ones I bet
lol yeah they probably aren't smart enough to figure out it's not the same thing
22:44
People saying stuff like our whole brand is trash, can't come back from this and "how was that festival"
the people who went there weren't like super rich? why would they stay salty after 1y?
> CLASSIC BILLY MOVE. DENY DENY DENU
what an idiot
lol
wait, why is the tag of the festival in the post? are they added automatically or did your social media manager add them?
22:47
added them because why not lean into it
went from 1500 followers to 7k
smart move :D
I think we even got a lead from it
"There's no such thing as bad publicity."
lol yeah
23:14
@MarkO'Sullivan next time mw and jordy can join to make 5
Yeah but then he'd have to talk to you and Jordy
How can we talk when we are stuffing Frikandellen in our mouth
you trying to get a large shipment of water through customs?
google "fyre festival water story" if you don't get it
Narrator: Tim did not appreciate the comment
Cba to join the hype train
it's a good documentary
should watch it
I know you have Netflix
No USA content
Really? it's a netflix original
> - If I go every other day I will be at the gym 4-5 times a week
- That makes no sense. There are only 7 days in a week. If you go every other day that is 3.5 times a week.
this is so dumb but been laughing at this for 2min XD
lol
til 7 /2 == 4.5
no wonder we can't unify quantum physics with classical models
we've been doing math wrong the whole time
@MehdiB. their headquarters is in Boise, Idaho
bodybuilding.com, I mean
23:27
a body building enthusiast CA?
not at all...I interviewed there for their Android app team
@DaveS did you just assume my available content
yes
wow Dave! just wow! :(
23:30
"touch the file" my boss says
makes me feel dirty...
do it through a vm
protect yourself from viruses
@MehdiB. is this a screenshot from your own system?
yes
Nov 16 '18 at 19:38, by Dave S
hold on let me boot up my digital condom vm
so you plonked dave? how rude!
this is one of the best jokes :D
@Code-Apprentice can you blame me though? he assumed Tims available content.. put yourself in my shoes
23:33
he's a body builder, I don't think he'll fit in your shoes
he probably can if he only puts every other toe :D
@MehdiB. apparently I missed that conversation
alright gents, have a good night
\R
I'm here again :)
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