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2:00 PM
@MehdiB. on google samples t hey release it onStop
I wonder why
 
Hmm i'm Not sure why they do that, but it makes sense for me to release it asap
 
Perhaps they did that to avoid "turning it back on" again?
I imagine it's a costly operation
 
@TimCastelijns lol
Maukerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
 
2:17 PM
@Mauker Especially for the battery
 
There was definitely some external change in the gradle repos.....
Seems I was one of the first detecting the problem yesterday...
Today I already see dozens of posts complaining the builds are broken overnight without any changes....
 
random
 
@TimCastelijns so to paraphrase the question I want my 1. unit test to wait till there is a logcat output XX and to succeed if there is some output YY
 
Did you try to place google() before jcenter()?
 
@Mauker Yes, Solved one of the projects.... Can't solve the other...
 
2:21 PM
@OrenBochman I have no clue what you're saying
 
clariied it
 
why would your unit test care about the logcat output
 
Seems Cordova already release a patch in 7.1.1 but I think I will have issues where I use 6.4.0 ..... :'(
 
because it has trace information on the app's state
such as when some service is up
 
it's very odd to use the logcat as a source of data for your app
 
2:26 PM
@ColdFire yes. but i am following whats happening in kerala. there so much of nonsense in electronic media.
 
NONSENSE Indeed
that is why i read only print media
 
not for the app for the unit/integration test
 
why aren't you testing the component that does the logging instead
 
I not yet an expert at testing - but the behaviour in the VM or Activity being tested depends on things like battery/location/connectivity. I want to coordinate a test with a change in this setting which is in another component which is completely decoupled.
 
@ColdFire CFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
 
2:39 PM
then you mock that component and simulate the setting changes
 
Hello, Android!
 
You are talking about instrumental tests anyhow you do not want to parse the logcat whatsoever....
 
yep there is no logcat out of android
ie in a pure junit test
 
tests that rely on logcat seem strange to me
instead you should only test the behavior of the app. In this case, mock whatever class provides the settings.
 
Hello, CA o/
 
2:44 PM
\o Mauker
 
ok I'll try that. Thanks people!
 
Hiya CA!!!!!! :D
 
2:59 PM
Hello CA
 
Hiya, womp and CF!
 
Word up
 
PowerPoint down
 
again? Shit software
 
Long live the keynote
 
3:12 PM
Any of you guys have espresso tests?
 
yes but I have not written them
 
Grrr
 
There you go graeme
 
Trying to get started on some and it's saying "Test running failed: No test results"
Haha, not quite that bad :D
It's configuration stuff. I'm just the worst at configuration :(
 
@Graeme Excel Left
 
3:21 PM
@TimCastelijns I'm the best at relationships - just FYI. I'm like a guru.
CF - HEEEEEEEEELP MEEEE
 
CF: I have a solution for that, I'll show you soon
*two years later*: No code
 
@Graeme Carl uses them
 
3:46 PM
@CarlAnderson knows everything
He's the best
And I've already mentioned he's pretty hot
 
me doing a git commit knowing it will break builds
 
xD
 
!remindme 70h take A9
 
Ok, I will remind you at 14:00 on 27 October 2018 (UTC)
 
Time to go~~
Cya later people!!!:D
 
4:00 PM
!remindme 2000h to post cat pics
 
Cya wompah!
 
This syntax is not supported
 
leaving too
 
Ok, I will remind you at 00:01 on 16 January 2019 (UTC)
 
We shall see
 
4:01 PM
Lol
 
Hi Carl
You super smart awesome person you.
(At one point does it become obvious I'm trying to butter you up so you'll help me?)
 
@Mauker dude what?
o/
 
mr5
o/
- 8th Gen Intel
 
@Graeme i have not done espresso test :(
 
4:09 PM
Wah :(
It's the fact that the espresso part of it is pretty straight forward, I just can't get the thing to run!
 
!remindme 3h peripherals
 
Ok, I will remind you at 19:16 on 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 
@Graeme LOL thanks
I googled your error message and fixed a link
Are you using the new rules?
 
Yup
 
hrm, ok
 
4:22 PM
I googled it for an hour this morning and couldn't figure out what's going on - I tried someone elses gradle file and it magically worked so at least I have a lead on the problem now
I'm going to go from the gradle that works to the grade I have one step at a time to see what the problem is
 
ah
do you have something like this in your gradle build file?
androidTestImplementation ("com.android.support.test.espresso:espresso-core:3.0.2")
@Graeme work with me here :D
 
4:39 PM
androidTestImplementation 'com.android.support.test.espresso:espresso-core:3.0.1'
Check
 
and the other ones defined on that page?
 
Weird - I added "execution 'ANDROID_TEST_ORCHESTRATOR'" to try and fix this
 
> androidTestImplementation 'com.android.support.test:runner:1.0.2'
> androidTestImplementation 'com.android.support.test:rules:1.0.2'
 
But now I've removed it it's working fine.....
Yeah
 
they're running now?
 
4:41 PM
Yup
I mean, they're failing
But at least they're actually running
 
progress
 
I wonder what the heck was going on....
 
mine are running and intermittently failing :-/
 
Do you use robots?
 
robots?
 
4:45 PM
Yeah
 
I don't understand
 
As in, per UI page you make a "Robot" file which has things like "enterUsername()"
To hide all of the wiring of how a page is put together
I saw a few articles on it a while back and now I can't for the life of me find them
 
you mean for the actual tests themselves?
 
Yeah
 
sorry, I'm another layer removed from writing Espresso tests right now - I'm currently writing an API simulator to handle all the network traffic that our Espresso tests generate
 
4:47 PM
supposed to leave your tests looking very clean because they only have to call the robots to perform - but I can't remember enough of the theory to actually implement it in Espresso :D
 
We have a team of SDETs here that have created a bunch of Espresso tests based primarily on my blog post here: room-15.github.io/blog/2015/03/19/adventures-in-espresso-p2
 
Sounds like hard work - I'm thinking of doing dependency injection in order to hotwire into my services layer and have it give responses to the presenter
Ah, your "Page" objects and "Robots" are similar concepts
 
yeah probably
 
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My code is failing because my rules aren't running
so my @before isn't setting up my environment
Ah well, this is at least programming, so I'm happy
 
5:10 PM
@TimCastelijns Yeah... That's what club are for, yes?
o/
 
not if you're looking for potential partners
 
dat circular logic :)
 
I dare you to find a flaw in it
 
I bow to the circle
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier no
 
5:18 PM
Yo CF!
 
o/ hello fellow canadian
felix xD
 
:D
on other news, Canada sold out of marijuana on the day stores opened, apparently
 
yup saw it awesome
 
I am filled with surprise
 
Happy to see I could count on us all to uphold the world's viewpoint :P
 
5:20 PM
btw i found a awesome video on justin just in case you are interested in politics :D
 
please share
is it sfw?
 
well atleast the justin government did something good atlast
hmm i am not sure mostly should be sfw
 
why are google samples use fragments even for the most basic screen?
 
templates
 
@MehdiB. because they hate @codeMagic
 
5:22 PM
:D
 
lmao
mehdi maybe because google recommends fragment regardless of how shitty they are :D
 
I think Murat was the one who said his apps were all fragments as he implements the Single Page app pattern
 
my apps are mostly fragments
they are a pain but manageable
 
my apps are fragments only if needed
 
it's not like activities are any better
 
5:26 PM
yeah lol tim
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier Nah, just brick stores - and they only existed in some provinces
 
really?! damn, I was mislead!
 
meh its gonna take some time graeme
 
so far around here, even the remotest stores still have hour long waiting time
 
but i have a doubt does marijuana have any side effects?
 
5:30 PM
sure
 
Lots
I order some from the online store
 
hmm
 
now that you know, you should stop consuming it, CF
 
I mean, breathing oxygen have side effects
 
fine :/ what about ethanol then?
 
5:38 PM
awwww! no, I meant that as a joke! side-effects, as a whole, doesn't necessarily mean bad side effects :)
 
lol felix
 
there are some studies that find a correlation between lower grades and marijuana consumption, but the same can also be said of doing sports
:)
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier ... there goes my huge ethanol boat to the sea the responsible organisms XD
 
I can confirm what @CarlAnderson said
 
5:43 PM
the reasons why I personally discourage people from taking weed is the laziness and passiveness and sometimes pessimism that comes with it
(psychiatrist complications of a long consumption set aside)
 
xD
yo cmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
 
@MehdiB. Not everyone is affected that way, especially if they don't already have those attributes
 
I am going to try and reverse-engineer an app to find APIs
any suggestions ?
 
@eski tbh not sure about the last part, so you're saying it doesn't create those attributes but it's more of an amplifier if they're already there?
 
5:55 PM
route i am going to take is simple - unzip it, dex2jar it, and then look at the source
anyone used "smali" ?
and would you recommend it ?
 
do they have home delivery ? :P
 
not anymore
 
I am guessing you suggested that app as the coffee would be help along the process.
oh ! No Starbucks in my city :P
 
I suggested that app because I write it.
 
5:58 PM
@MehdiB. Yeah sort of, I've been doing it since 15 and I wouldn't say it's made me any of those things
 
and ?
 
and it's good to know how much people like you can figure out
 
I already have a target :)
 
haha nice
 
that too is a secure app (they have tried to make it secure I guess, as its imp) so .. lets see.
 
6:00 PM
@eski interesting! thanks for the info! I'll research the topic a bit more and hopefully find some solid stats
 
Alcoholism is so big here, and promoted in american culture. I wish people would just smoke instead, it's rare for people to ruin their lives with it. As opposed to alcohol.
 
here weed usage is quite big, so I've seen some people get impacted pretty badly from it
 
bigger than china's
damn. you were too quick on that edit!
 
@CarlAnderson Well, to be honest, being arrested over it is not people ruining their lives, as much as the government doing it ;)
It'd also be interesting to cross-validate these numbers along with drunken driving stats
 
6:03 PM
@FélixGagnon-Grenier XD
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier same result.
 
Morocco's #2 producer, should have been on the top for something at least, right? :D
 
lol
 
I was mocking you CF
 
oh ok
 
6:12 PM
@CarlAnderson True, I wish locking people in cages for victimless crimes would stop too :(
 
^
 
this is great XD
 
it looks a bit sped up. doesn't it? or it's just me looking at my failed musician carreer?
 
lol
 
the lady in the background doesn't appear to move unnaturally to me
 
6:36 PM
o/
 
Question
 
Thank you Felix
 
o/
 
6:41 PM
@MehdiB. they're pushing the one activity way to do navigation where they just use loads of fragments instead
 
@MarkO'Sullivan Just in time where I finished this video of O'Sullivans Amazing Clearance
@MarkO'Sullivan you're using this pattern yet?
 
@MehdiB. I pretty much did in my last project. We've got hardly any fragments in this new project at the new company
 
what's your feedback about this method vs the classical one?
 
@MehdiB. :D I was wondering what that video was going to be
 
6:44 PM
@MehdiB. Either way works. The one activity many fragment navigation might work better now they have the navigation component.
 
Printed version of my thesis <3
 
@Mauker you should see a dr about your thumb
 
lol
 
Don't think it's healthy to be pointing the opposite direction to your fingers :D
 
@MarkO'Sullivan I'll see how to do MVP cleanly on it, and try
 
6:45 PM
Congrats though!
 
I can do a full 180º with it
 
@MarkO'Sullivan 😂😂😂
@Mauker Congrats!
 
Thanks!
 
I mean one activity & many fragments or many activities and no fragments both escape fragment lifecycle hell
 
the fragment lifecycle is actually what I want to avoid
 
6:46 PM
The tricky part I've found is when you have many activities which have many fragments
 
you mean reusing multiple fragments?
 
do you use MVP at the new job or MVVM?
 
Neither
 
He uses the blood of his enemies
 
6:52 PM
I dont get it. I decompiled the apk, and "grep-ed" string containing "http". I found a lot of them with "tempuri.org/something-something", they looked like the real APIs, from their full name, but they were not being used anywhere in the code.
Am I missing something ?
 
Perhaps a lib?
 
ah ! of course, so dumb of me, I was looking only at the .class files. Not the full source
 
7:08 PM
lol
 
Mark uses MoS. How can you not know
 
@TimCastelijns Here is your reminder
 
7:28 PM
o/
 
\o
Dave, you're alive!
 
o/
 
I thought all of that C++ hell got you for good
 
Finally got the new firmware updating
 
Congratz!
 
7:39 PM
congratz
 
8:16 PM
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8:26 PM
well well well, my ex-client who missed many payments just reached out for new feature updates 😂
 
🐳🐳🐳, interesting
 
funny how they phrase "alter existing features" by "fixing X issues" XD
 
"Oh, you need the app store listing changed? That'll be your missed payments, plus interest, plus 1 billable hour, so just pay about 10,000 and I'll get started right away"
Yeah it's ridiculous how many people think they are being clever by asking you to fix instead of change
like 10x revisions to how it works, none of it are bugs and you still ask for more changes. I'm billing you for all of it, you agreed to the design and scope.
 
this is exactly the situation I'm at now, all the features work as requested
 
8:31 PM
clients like that are why we always do paid specs and no flat rate projects
I'd rather say "Yes I can do that, and it'll be X amount of dollars" than "No, it's not in the scope"
 
that's how I worked with them, I billed the hour no matter the scope, until my work was finished, then they missed 6 weeks of payment, and ghosted 1.5 months of reminder emails
 
lol
 
only to say last week (now I understand why they responded), "we will settle the remaining invoices, only it will be 1000$ / 2weeks"
wtf
 
Just stand firm
Pay me or you don't get the code or any work
non negotiable
 
and can I request an up-front payment for any future work? since I no longer trust them
 
8:34 PM
Yes bill on retainer
that's what we do
when your money runs out so does our work
we make exceptions for clients in good standing and good history
but with a client like this, they would only get prepaid work
 
"when your money runs out so does our work" that's a very nice strategy
that's what I'm gonna ask them
 
@DaveS Reminds me of something ha
 
lol
 
> my 2 requirements will be the following to work on these things:
- full settlement of the backlog
- up-front payment of the feature (same rate, 1 working week)
 
yeah and add stipulation, no code is released until balance is paid in full
 
8:41 PM
adding it
 
If they complain, just tell them you wouldn't need to go this far if they paid their bills in the first place
 
^
First android gig I ever got in my life was even worse than that
By contract, the client should pay a monthly value until delivery
He never paid a single cent
 
Wouldn't have started until first payment received
 
two months before delivery, we halted the project and he came like: "Is that the only problem?? I'll pay it in full right now then, but I want it done by next month" or some shit
@DaveS How can I explain this... It was a "Junior corporation" thing we had on college
 
ah
We had that but you didn't get paid
 
8:44 PM
We didn't get paid for being on the directors board
but we could get paid for gigs
the company was able to hire devs
and pay them
but of course, the prices were way lower, since it's a college thing
 
ah that sounds more in depth
we formed teams of 4-5 and each team got a sponser from a real business and asked them to do a group intern project for a semesters worth of credit
 
those junior companies also had tons of privileges
Didn't have to pay most of the taxes that other companies must pay in brazil
that helped us reach competitive pricing
Neat
Those projects could also get us credit as extracurricular activities
either way, the client was a d*ck
we canceled the contract
best thing we ever did
 
lol
 
9:05 PM
the cool guy I used to work with at the customers, just responded: "Totally understand" lol
 
lol
 
probably the only one amongst them I'll remain in touch with
 
 
1 hour later…
10:21 PM
wow so @MarkO'Sullivan just met one of my Android friends from here in NYC at Droidcon UK. They just sent me a selfie. They didn't know each other before (I don't think?) but found out I was a mutual connection. I'm seriously missing out now omg
 
o/
 
Has anyone set a listener to the completion of autofill?
My input validation is written entirely based on IME Editor listeners and autofill doesn't trigger those
So I'd like to just add a listener when the form is autofilled using the google pay CC autofill
 
trying to steal my credit card info?
 
Lol you need it to sign up but I don't show the continue button (it's bulky) until the form is filled and valid
and I want the autofill action to trigger that validation check
Reading the docs but no easy answer I can find, hoping someone here has done it before
 
davesPrivateServer.makePurchase(Amazon.Wishlist.getFirst()).with(usersCC)
 
10:27 PM
lol
 
brilliant!
 
thanks cM I know my approach to Android development is inspiring
 
so much so that I left android
I knew I could never reach those expectations
 
lol
yoo indiana man
@AdamMc331 coooooooooool
 
yo indian man
 
10:42 PM
sup
 
so I can detect when autofill is presented and hidden but I can't detect the google play credit card aspect
:(
 
lol
just let the peasants fill the form dave
also well goodnight peeps
 
goodnight
 
it blows my mind that Android is still obsessed over architecture
like it's still not a solved problem
 
ugh, TextWatcher doesn't trigger it either
wait maybe not
maybe just a bug
wooooow Android
afterTextChanged is fired on the autofill event, BEFORE the edittext has the text
so the validation still sees the empty form
incoming delayed runnable
 

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