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7:01 PM
I'm asking this as we received an application a few years ago, and the applicant said he was willing to join because he was very interested in the tech-stack we were using etc..
The hiring manager didn't take him but I disagreed thinking that it actually could be a good thing, having a person that enjoys technology since they're the ones willing to push themselves and innovate
 
xD
 
i mean if someone applied and said they love making apps and were passionate about android even if they didnt say anything about the company i might give them a chance
but these are just such cookie cutter they dont even say that
 
XD
 
they just list like everything theyve ever done so it would be applicable to any company they apply to
 
It's good to take the ownership of some areas in the company, like if it was your own business. Good job (y)
 
7:09 PM
NICE
 
7:30 PM
 
I would do a cover letter like
hi,
I need a job
I heard you're hiring for one
pls give
best,
ahmad
 
id put your shit in the trash
 
Ahmad - No emojis?
 
winky face
 
that's where all my applications go anyway
I'd put in a Lenny face
 
7:32 PM
It would be even better if you mispelt your own name
best,
ahmed
then on the rest of your resume, it's Ahmad
It shows you're adaptable
 
LOL
best,
ahmad
on behalf of an indian outsourcing agency
 
like 80% of the applicants are indian
which in and of itself isnt a problem but most have the other issues ive mentioned
but the non-indian applicants have bad applications too lol
ive rejected like 90% of applicants outright
 
By non indians you mean locals or other countries?
 
all of the above
im super harsh on judging applicants
 
But, don't forget you were one once and someone gave you that chance :P
And I'm talking especially about graduates and beginners
 
7:40 PM
@JMRboosties :(
they should be taught English better in school
 
true, but i wrote a damn good cover letter and had an example of an app i had worked on and etc
and i was like clearly interested in the company
for me at least writing a letter that at least appears genuine goes a long ways
 
I got my first internship because of my cover letter
it was a cold application, just emailed them
they didn't have a position open
 
thats cool
 
but I just wrote a really nice cover letter and attached my resume and asked if they'd be up for it
 
if someone asked for an internship and showed genuine interest id try to make it happen for them
 
7:43 PM
the week I joined they got acquired by msft so yah
worked out great
 
I did the same on my first dev internship application, got called for an interview, the guy didn't stare at me not even for a second, he kept his eyes on his screen and asking me questions, did my best but couldn't answer everything (i was 17)
 
@JMRboosties american indians or people who'd need an h1b
 
the latter
which is another layer of complexity for us
 
he stared at me finally and said: look, how do you see yourself in 5 years, I genuinely said I didn't know yet, and he said: I'm not willing to train you to work for the competition
got rejected
 
legally im not supposed to discriminate based on nationality nor am i trying to be like "fuck indians" but when you have that issue it makes it really hard
 
7:47 PM
@MehdiB. haha Mehdi
 
@MehdiB. that guy sounds like a cunt, whatever dude its better that you didtn get it
imagine working for someone like that
 
yeah XD
3 years later when I got admitted for my thesis at IBM, he kept reaching out and begging me to join the company, I declined, he reached out to me twice 2 years later in Linkedin for a job, didn't reply XD
 
LOL
omg that's a good story
 
did you tell him "I will call you back"?
 
@JMRboosties are you not legally obliged to show that you didn't find a local candidate for an h1b application tho
 
7:50 PM
@MehdiB. lol
 
I met him lately at a Starbucks, he said I could use your help on my new business, told him: yeaaah, I don't know, I'm not fan of what you guys are working on XD
 
@Ahmad yea
and we can definitely find a local candidate for this
 
yup go for local candidate
 
some people of non-american nationality have applied but have green cards
in which case thats fine cause they dont need our help to be here
 
@SargeBorsch No XD didn't bother, just made sure to download his tracking pixel on gmail and read his messages on LinkedIn so he sees the "seen" label :D
 
7:51 PM
I hate the US visa system
 
i like local candidates anyway i want to support local developers rather than shipping someone else out here
san diego is crowded enough
 
same ahmad
 
its a tricky problem the visa system
 
local candidates didn't apply for the job? JMR
or they did?
 
like you cant deny without some of the protections in place US workers would have their wages driven down by foreign workers willing to work for less
 
7:52 PM
depends jmr
 
@ColdFire ive gotten a few, like 40-60 local vs not probably
maybe 30-70 idk
somewhere in that range
 
why would they be willing to work for less than the local market?
 
what role are you hiring for?
 
if it's people from agencies like tata then yes, but usually h1bs are supposed to be highly skilled people
and they're on par pay wise at the good tech companies
 
looking for both an ios and android developer
 
7:53 PM
mehdi because it is many times more than they get paid in their own country
 
coldfire said what i was about to @MehdiB.
 
wait how many applications did you get
 
ive gotten 50 or so for android, maybe 25 for ios?
something like that
 
that's not bad
 
and how much experience guy do you want?
 
7:54 PM
that's a lot of people
 
yes, but if i work somewhere I expect to be paid the same as everyone else XD
 
most are crap though
 
gotcha
 
meh people die to get to US
 
@MehdiB. thats good, you have more dignity than many
 
7:55 PM
they can certainly compromise little
 
if everyone was like "no im not going to be taken advantage of" the gap would disappear
 
a coworker of mine is going to that grace hopper conference next week and she just reviewed like 150 resumes. that shit's redic.
 
h1bs are taken advantage of by big tech companies, they perpetuate the myth that no one in the US can do these jobs which is patently false
 
an indian living in US 5 years and coming back to india becomes rich here
 
why?
 
7:56 PM
@Ahmad yup tatas pay pathetic low :(
 
hmm not necessarily, you can see all h1b pay online at h1bsalary.online
 
@ColdFire because of his savings VS the cost of living in India?
 
JMR can they really do the job tho?
 
I checked for msft nyc and it's pretty much on par with US citizens
 
yup mehdi
i read an article saying that because US is like do you want or what you like
there are quite less IT engineers
 
7:57 PM
@ColdFire can the h1bs? yea probably
 
i meant the local people
 
but im saying there are plenty of american developers who can too
 
there are more computer science jobs in the US than there are qualified candidates
 
not sure I believe that tbh
when I hear of people applying to 100 companies
 
7:58 PM
Dave - by qualified you mean "good" developers or just "developers"?
 
o/
 
and not getting any interviews
 
ive never seen any data on that, just people saying that (usually big companies pushing for more h1bs)
 
that is what i read i have no idea if that is true or false
 
could be true, i just dont have data to know for sure
 
7:58 PM
JMR because big people employee more people doesn't it make sense for them to have more h1bs?
 
my take is that SOME of the jobs that "can only be filled by h1bs" are indeed unfillable by US workers
but others are just cheaper
 
only around 10%?
 
whats a computing job though?
 
7:59 PM
wow
 
there is a very big short
 
@DaveS yes, but we also need the number of unemployed developers
 
I don't know of any
as a small company we hire students in college and train them up while they are in school because wage growth is insane because of the huge supply shortfall
 
and keep in mind that CS grad != able to be a developer
im a poli sci grad for instance
 
8:00 PM
great i have 527169 position to compete for yay \o/
 
or 1 CEO job without competition for your next big idea :P
 
lol
 
> The Obama White House predicted that by 2020, there would be 1.4 million computer-science-related jobs available, and only about 400,000 computer science graduates who have the skills necessary to apply for those jobs.
 
again implying only CS grads can fill CS jobs
 
> who have the skills necessary to apply for those jobs.
 
8:02 PM
Do you see 1 million extra self taught programmers who are qualified filling the shortfall?
 
thats narrowing it even further really
not a million but not 0 either
 
2x as many people being self taught and actually being good as opposed to graduates?
no it's not 0 but there aren't statistics on that
 
^
i think US needs h1b program
 
id take a self taught over a grad any day all other things being equal
 
I wouldn't some self taught developers have such terrible habits
I'd rather take a fresh student and teach him good habits than try to convince an arrogant self taught guy is habits are garbage
 
8:04 PM
well thats what i mean with all things equal
 
@JMRboosties come on, you gotta help the graduates pay for their students loans XD
 
when I think of all things being equal I think of a self taught developer with 4 years of experience
and usually they aren't very good unless they worked with good people
 
assuming attitude, competency, portfolio are the same im more impressed more with a self taught
 
usually they are self employed and missing a lot of fundamentals and come with a lot of bad habits
 
> lot of bad habits
like?
 
8:05 PM
either way i think the tech industry is treating h1bs as a solution rather than a band aid
 
oh it's a bandaid we need to educate more CS graduates
 
because they know an h1b will take a fraction of a citizen's salary happily
 
CF, like poor variable naming, lack of commenting, using overly complex solutions that are inherently fragile
 
> a fraction
not certainly
 
id go one step further than just CS grads
i think CS needs to be taught like in elementary school
 
8:07 PM
agreed
 
not like hardcore programming or anything
just like exposure to the type of thinking
in high school it should be mandatory though right next to physics and stuff
youre more likely to need CS skills than you need physics skills, but i wouldnt argue to remove physics or anything
 
CF you'd be a graduate
 
@DaveS oh true
good then :)
 
if we did that itd really broaden what we define as someone able to do the work
 
I expect people to teach themselves specialtiest
I'm saying it helps to understand the fundamentals of how computers work
 
8:08 PM
if youve been doing CS stuff since you were 8 years old youre going to be able to find work in the 21st century job market even if you majored in history or something
 
it helps you wrap your head around simple solutions that might not be obvious to the guy who looked everything up he knows on google
agreed JMR
so much of our life is run by technology
 
it might not be like a position we have, but youre not starting at 0 at least
 
true
 
@DaveS and what am I?
 
we need to teach from a young age
 
8:09 PM
im definitely going to expose my kids to programming
 
You're a maukery
 
not like keep them inside and code instead of playing or anything lol
 
I knew it
 
well till US solves his CS graduate issues market is open for us ya \o/
lol maukery
 
but just do what i wish schools would do, little exposure thinking about logic understanding how it works even if they arent like 10 years olds pumping out machine learning web apps lol
 
8:10 PM
@JMRboosties Same thing here. Even though the mother wants to expose them to medicine related stuff
 
@JMRboosties nand2tetris.org this is something I've been playing with and it's awesome (no pre-requisites)
 
@Mauker why not both
 
That's my point haha
 
biotech is a huge industry especially in san diego where i live actually
 
lol
 
8:11 PM
sent "Nand2Tetris" to my friends for his daughter (she's 9) and she liked it and found it quite easy to follow :D
 
why is this stupid windows 10 reporting me about US stocks :/
 
thered probably be decent money in developing a cirriculum for young students to learn CS
 
@JMRboosties I see that this field is growing rapidly
@ColdFire Cause it thinks you're poor and should earn more money
 
gotta run bbl
 
I can smell raghav's bitcoin bot
 
8:12 PM
yeah like i can invests in US stocks
cya JMR
 
cya jmr
 
see ya :D
 
DAW record high
so many record high
 
Swift 4 is out
 
what did they break this time?
4
 
8:16 PM
lol I got a panic text last night "iOS 11 is BREAKING EVERYONE's APPS. TEST OUR STUFF!!!!" so I open up Crashlytics and see the 100% crash free, whew.
 
XD
 
lol
 
5 of my apps stopped working with ios 11
I mean, not MY apps, but my installed apps lol
I doubt that the devs will ever update them
 
lol
 
Some of them are really old
iPod touch 2nd gen old
 
8:58 PM
@ColdFire lmao
 
:)
 
How do I determine if a given date is a US holiday?
 
look up in a calendar lol
or do you mean like programmatically
 
yes, I need to do it in code
/hitheadondeskrepeatedly
 
https://github.com/martinjw/Holiday
https://github.com/tinohager/Nager.Date
 
9:06 PM
Dream Github Feature error: failed to push some refs hint: updates were rejected because the remote contains much better code than this
 
^can not relate
 
lol
 
@MehdiB. too bad I am not using C# ;-(
 
damn didn't look at the language... sorry, just assumed everyone in this world is already using Java
 
this isn't even for a Java project, either
I'm working on a shitty legacy system written in ColdFusion.
 
9:17 PM
ouch, you may look for a public webservice to consume in this case
assuming your legacy system is allowed to have access to the internet
 
<cfscript>
function weekOfMonth(thisDate) {
var thisDay=day(thisDate);
var thisWeek=0;
if (thisDay LTE 7)
thisWeek=1;
else if (thisDay GT 7 AND thisDay LTE 14)
thisWeek=2;
else if (thisDay GT 14 AND thisDay LTE 21)
thisWeek=3;
else
thisWeek=4;
return thisWeek;
}

writeoutput(#weekOfMonth(now())#);
</cfscript>
or you could just do integer division...
@MehdiB. that is an assumption I don't want to rely on
 
"LTE", "GT", that's awful XD
 
yes, that is what I deal with every day at work
and far from the most awful parts
 
oh, thought you worked on Python and Js
 
I use python for testing and there is a little JS with this project. I have not yet been put on any of the other projects which use just Python/JS.
 
9:24 PM
JMR is hiring for Android/iOS if you're interested :P
Btw, this class seems pretty easy to convert github.com/martinjw/Holiday/blob/master/src/PublicHoliday/…
 
Good luck calculating Easter
(if that fits your definition of holiday)
 
who wants a job im just giving them away here
 
9:41 PM
lol why
 
being generous is not a valid reason?
 
im being sarcastic not just giving away
but i do need to fill 2 jobs
 
Oh cool
And yeah I know that was sarcasm lol But I thought you might just be a bit pissed about your job or something
 
well im always pissed about my job
yet here i remain
 
What do you need?
 
9:48 PM
to hire for?
 
Yeah, what are the positions?
The requirements, etc
 
ios and android, not being too strict on experience but like at least a year with a project you can show you worked on
depending on who applies i could take anyway from a jr dev to someone more experienced
id probably opt for an ios dev thats more experienced because i wont be able to train them like i could an android dev
 
Where are you based? Sorry I don't know where you work lol
 
san diego
 
lol mauker
did trump gave a awesome speech at UN?
its in the news
 
10:41 PM
@DaveS yea updating our app for iOS11 was a PITA
 
11:16 PM
Someone stop me from impulse buying this lmaoo
 
11:52 PM
@AdamMc331 STOP!!
 
okay
 
XD
 
Sameeeee
 
@TristanWiley STOP!!
 

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