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12:02 PM
I am working on this web project atm
behind me my boss is in meeting with the client who is expressing his discontent with our delivery
progress not fast enough, too expensive for what he is receiving
95% of it is/was my work
cries
 
:D
 
stop chatting start working
 
how enthusiastically is he expressing his displeasure?
 
for how long have you been working on this project?
 
How much dissatisfied the client is?
 
12:04 PM
since before the start of this year
but I know jack shit of web development so yeah it is going slow AF
 
LUNCH TIME!!!
 
Enjoy Paella
 
@TimCastelijns Clients don't know 90% of the time how much work their product is. To them, one screen should take a day and anything else is a waste. Just throw him/her into a river with a few lead weights and carry on
 
So almost 7 months, and you think that if he was that unsatisfied he wouldn't have talked about it the second or third month? :D
they turn like that when they usually face some difficulty on another part of their business
or get pressure from a VP or something like that
 
he is not wrong, that is the bad part
 
12:07 PM
...
 
> I know jack shit of web development
That's your boss problem, not yours, since I assume he knew your level and what were you hired for (android dev)
 
yep he knows it
I also have been designing the web site, which I should not be doing
 
boss problem then
 
you're all right and I agree
 
but it sucks to have your work criticized, I know :D
 
12:10 PM
but it's confronting to hear him express his discontent
 
i dont see how you could have done any better
or any person for that matter
 
secretly I hope he takes his business elsewhere
 
@TimCastelijns sometimes managers (or bosses) need to have these kind of encounters and shocks to remind them that without investment you get nothing
Hiring and trainings
 
yeah
but my boss knows that I don't care about learning anything of web development and I will only learn the minimum required stuff for doing this project
 
then hiring is what he has to do, someone to entirely take care of web front end stuffs, another one entirely dedicated for backend, and you for mobile
 
12:13 PM
I would be so happy if just for once we could hire someone to do the design
also for other projects
 
yes, that's a requirement, and the good thing is that designers can be used on mobile and web projects
 
sure
but tim is already here, just let him do it
 
XD
that's the mindset of He's paid anyway, let's get the max out of him
 
recently we brought in my part time coworker to do some designs for this project
My creativity is 0 and his is 0.1
so he can do it better :P
but he is also a mobile dev, and he does not like designing either
so I apologised to him that my boss asked him to do it because I suck :P
 
lol
 
12:20 PM
haha!
Honestly, I think you should bring to your bosses attention, what you need in terms of resources
 
I have done it more than once
 
(now is the better as long as the customer shock is still weighting on him)
oh
 
it's the same as when I propose to spend time on refactoring code and other maintenance
we get by fine for now, let's do it later
 
not paella
 
however that is mostly decided by clients
maintenance? is that a new feature? no? does it cost money? yes? ok don't do it
 
12:23 PM
hahaha
 
lol
 
:O
 
@W0MP3R that is a very delayed response
 
D:
 
I saw a case where the client approved the refactoring only 1 year after we brought it, only when they faced a performance issue and their VP was not happy
 
12:24 PM
yeah that's how it goes
 
well its all about the money
 
we get a couple of crash reports every day but I have not received complaints, so we don't have to fix them
 
I went out to see the sun
 
oh so how was it?
 
'cause my office doesn't has windows
 
12:25 PM
cool temperature today?
 
wow Tim, this guy kind of pushes his luck
 
mehdi its the same everywhere
 
yeah but not for crashes etc..
 
meh the previous company of mine never payed much attention to crashes
 
this is an other client though
 
12:27 PM
we had 65k monthly crashes
 
Not really, it's Hot. But not melting level so it's nice
 
i said to them we dont even have monthly 65k downloads
 
D:
 
XD
 
but oh well who cares as long as no user complained
 
12:29 PM
voices are being raised
I want to snip my fingers and be at home
 
I had a customer complain about text in our app last week...
 
but no, we live in a sucky world where we cannot teleport
 
worst of all, it's in the backlog to be changed because one of the people here reported it to me to fix
 
but here they went a step ahead even when the user was complaining about the app being slow and crashes a lot the app team Manager pointed out that the webservices was slow so app was slow and crashes and therefore saving himself
 
D:!!
 
12:32 PM
hahaha! Tim if you have the wall behind your back, play an episode of "Rick and Morty"
and forget about what you hear
 
they even carried out a test of speed of webservices to prove that webservices were indeed slow
and they succeeded in fooling all
 
wow
 
nop mehdi I am facing the wall, everybody can see my screen
but they are far away enough that they can't read this
 
not that the webservice were blazing fast but they were not so slow
also most of the stuff they did on main thread thereby slowing the app a lot
 
CF - That's what annoys me, so much efforts for blaming others instead of just spending a good week of investigating and bug fixing
 
12:35 PM
once our app was released with target version 23 for compatibility with marshmallow , the app used to crash as soon as you denied the permission
 
Uh oh
 
Tim - do you guys have lunch breaks in The netherlands? if yes, just leave and go eat and drink a good cup of coffee (I ask because I've seen some countries not having them)
 
there was no release to fix it
they just carried out there regular update schedule
 
I already left for lunch earlier
 
mehdi wtf is that a real question?
 
12:36 PM
I can't leave, they might pull me in the meeting
 
CF - yes it is
 
lol i dont know of a place where there are no lunch break
 
without thinking I can say Egypt
 
meh middle east
 
other countries, such as Canada, doesn't have lunch break in the labour code
etc.. etc..
 
12:40 PM
canada labour code needs a reform
 
it doesn't mean they don't take it lol
it just means that on the law there isn't an article about it
 
yeah i know
indian labour law is pathetic also
 
Egypt is culturally delaying lunches until 4pm or 5pm
 
but i mean nobody denies lunch break to employee even if there is no such law
 
so people "work" continuously until 4pm
 
12:43 PM
I walked out.. Enjoying the silence of the stairwell
 
@TimCastelijns things at work not going well?
 
i was wishing my friend happy birthday on fb
but fucking autocomplete changed his name from sarvesh to serves
 
D:
 
My boss and the client were sitting behind me at the table discussing what pile of shit this project has been, regarding progress and meeting expectations, for the past hour
 
word
 
12:46 PM
go out breath and drink something, if you get told off for leaving your desk, just say that you can't work on such a noisy environment
 
autocomplete
 
It is the web project I have been working on for 6 months
 
Sounds like you're not doing it very well Tim ;)
 
so graeme became a canadian yet?
 
I do what I can, but me not having a clue about webdevelopment, it is not much no
 
12:52 PM
@TimCastelijns you considered moving jobs?
 
Apparently, all you have to do is live here to be a Canadian-x where x is your home country.
So I'm a Canadian-Englishman
 
haha
 
Tim - If they're using an Android dev with no web dev experience as a web dev, they should really have written your learning curve into the project plan. That's not bad development that's bad project management.
 
you're Cannish
 
I don't even want to learn this
 
12:57 PM
Then you're definitely not the guy for the job. It's almost impossible to learn something you have no interest in.
Did you let them know?
 
you're being overly optimistic
i'm not sure they care about tim's learning desires
 
Yeah it sounds like a shitty place to work
 
Graeme - scroll the chat, you'll see that it's not the only thing he has let them know :D
 
Eric - If you're a good manager, you don't set someone with no interest to learning a technology he doesn't want to learn, then expect to see positive results.
 
> If you're a good manager
bingo
 
1:01 PM
^
 
We discussed this all before we started the project
Boss and I. Client is not aware AFAIK
 
If you're good enough at your job (and you live near a center of technology) you should be able to quit and walk into a better job.
Come live in Canada. Android developers are like gold dust over here.
 
I am extremely reliant on my salary and contract here
 
Could you not earn something similar elsewhere as an Android dev?
 
How come? You getting paid above rates?
 
1:03 PM
@Graeme I don't think he could because his gf is still at Uni iirc
 
Most places with a university have a technology scene?
 
Canada is somewhere I'd love to move to eventually, my gf seems keen to move there too eventually
 
Want me to come over there Tim and punch your boss in the face?
 
yeah canada seems awesome
 
How old are you Mark?
 
1:04 PM
23
 
graeme that would make matter worse
 
My gf is 19
 
I need my contract because I cannot afford not getting paid even for 1 month
 
damn i forget mark is younger than me
 
Get over here quick! You can get work visa for young people and get a perm visa based off that.
 
1:05 PM
Apply for other places when you're still working
 
@MarkO'Sullivan wow
 
Tim - Move straight from the role you're in to a new one?
 
Why wow?
 
i mean she is quite younger than you
 
@Graeme what age is the oldest you can be for that visa? My gf wouldn't be finished uni until she's 22
It's only 3 and a bit years
 
1:05 PM
Mark - You'll be too old
 
without wanting to add any more pressure to tim, in spain and most of europe you can pact day 0 contracts
 
25 is the max?
 
In Netherlands, new hires don't get a contract for life right away
 
Need to go down the hard work route. You could just dump your girlfriend. Much easier.
 
1:06 PM
I have one now though
 
graeme what about me?
i am only 24
lol graeme
 
I think the limit is 24. Google it.
 
@Graeme na, she's actually pretty damn great haha
 
@Graeme Graeme XD
 
I know of people moving when they're older to Canada
Like I know a guy who just moved recently and he's 28 / 27 or so
 
1:07 PM
day 0 contract = the exact day of you leave you start, and you get paid half by one contracter and half by the other that month
 
CF - Half your age plus seven is the lowest you can go for a partner and it not be weird :)
 
I have no idea where that rule came from
my ex was 2 years older than me
 
Oh, you can definitely move when older. Just not on a young persons work visa :)
 
google shows 18 to 35 for canada
 
doesn't canada count <30 as young?
spain and france do for young work visas
 
1:08 PM
@Graeme oh never knew there was a formula for that o_o
 
CF - Which follows the formula perfectly ;)
Oh, 18 - 35 for visa to Canada? Yeah, I got in when 33 and Carlos at 36. You need to be <24 for young person work visa
 
weird
i wouldn't count that as young
that's very young
 
graeme google doesnt show any good result for young person work visa
 
Tim - we have here from 3 to 6 months (max) of testing period, for seniors or rockstars they usually give them the contract for life right away
 
Same here
But I am just an intermediate
At best
 
1:11 PM
same
so you haven't finished yet that period?
 
I have been here for 3 years
 
oh :D
 
Got life contract after I graduated
 
It's not easy to stumble upon. I only learned about it after I was way too old to apply :P
 
oh nice
 
1:13 PM
Tim - How many years experience?
 
i would come there but there's nothing of value for my gf's career
:(
 
oh :(
 
canada's not famous for it's bronze age and early iron age cultures.
 
I'm not sure, but I read somewhere that Amsterdam and Berlin became good hubs of technology
 
Eric - Native culture
 
1:15 PM
graeme my country is not listed :(
damn
 
not enough interesting compared to those in europe graeme
and none makes extensive use of metals and ores
she's specializing on shiny stuff and analizing it under very expensive machinery.
 
@ColdFire "You cannot find your country in the list? Connect with a recognized organization to learn about other travel and work opportunities in Canada."
That's super nice !! :D
 
looks cool
and espensive
too many designers to be paid
 
> Reduce the need to RTFM
 
after the early access sure it's costly af
 
1:20 PM
yeah
 
if it's around 30$ I'll definitely buy it
 
30$ that is costly
 
it's always better than scrolling on Programcreek
 
hehe yeah
 
hour 8
still awaiting teacher response
 
1:30 PM
lol lecturers have the life
 
not lecturer
100% onlinecourse
 
ah
I have no idea what the teachers are like for that
 
i suppose like uni teachers, but in bathclothes and from their home
 
Free Kotlin course for anyone interested (only free until like June 6th or something) teamtreehouse.com/library/…
So they have an even better life than uni lecturers
 
i suppose , yes
unless they are both
 
1:37 PM
> You can cancel at any time during your trial and you won't be charged. If you love it, then you don't have to do anything and your paid subscription will start at the end of the 7 day trial.
free kotlin courses until you forget to unsubscribe :)
 
> until you forget to unsubscribe
internet's marketing operations core since 1999.
 
muahahahahaha
 
> 161-minute Android Course
Who needs 7 days of trial when you can finish it in... 161 minute ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 
yeah
 
that's less than 3 hours o_O
 
1:41 PM
CF - take the first 30min, I'll take 30, Mark 30, Tim 30, Eric 30 and TheWanderer 11min
 
pls
 
you want more?
 
give him my 30min i need to do maths
 
lol
 
XD
 
1:43 PM
lol
 
@Graeme exprience in what?
 
android
 
how do you count that? I do android 'now and then'
 
what does your contract say?
just dev?
 
application dev
 
1:48 PM
total years of that
 
meh count all as android
 
how do you count it? Does my study count?
 
your final project/research counts
 
like since when you are doing job
 
my final project was 90% research and 10% windows development XD
CF part time or fulltime?
 
1:50 PM
no, years of educational curricular experience doesn't work
 
full time
 
hahaha! windows dev? what's that? not sure about the others, but I read "Android "
 
either part time or full time
but that wasn't given by the uni
but a private/public office contract
 
15 months part time, like 8h per week. And 15 months fulltime
 
searching a new place?
 
1:56 PM
today's the imgur puns day
 
no
 
go back to your classroom wanderer..
 

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