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14:01
NM Tim
what?
is it true??
Wait, what happened?
Ea fucked up another game
but this time it crossed all lines
a bus station
and three neighborhoods
14:06
What game?
What the fuck EA
That's illegal to prevent people from canceling their pre-order is it not?
as far as I understand, the option is only removed on the website but you can still cancel if you call customer service
Nothing is illegal when you're rich enough
star wars battlefront 2
basically they changed the number 1 to 2
and ppl buy it
80$USD
14:10
can't blame EA for that. They all do that
they made it pay to win
that's the cancellation thing
> Electronic Arts clearly heard the uproar from the gaming community about the inflated costs of heroes, and slashed their prices by 75 percent. This is not a small tweak. It completely changes my take on the game – moving from an evil time sink to potentially reasonable. I need to dive back into all of the modes to see if any other changes were made.

For instance, during my review, completing the campaign earned players a unique loot crate that contained 20,000 credits. That reward is now 5,000 credits.
ROFL
so EA didn't change anything, they just applied a modifier to costs and rewards keeping the ratio steady
yeah so instead of it taking 40 hours to unlock a hero, it's a 75% reduction which is still 10 hours of gameplay
no!
they dropped the reward by 75% as well
it will stay by 40h
14:21
you are joking me
Sounds like a shill message
Tomorrow they are holding an ama, gonna be a shitfest
they joked about that on reddit
cant wait \o/
saying it'd be funny if they drop the amount of credits but then drop the reward
fucking hell EA, go eat shit
14:21
aaan
aand, it happened
I joked on reddit that they'll next be releasing Star Wars Battlefront Ultimate Team
apparently they will do a AMA on wednesday reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/7cmu8c/ama_request_eacommunityteam (but the AMA schedule doesn't show that)
apparently the devs received death threats... not the devs pocketing the money from these bullshit ideas
Sad :(
well they obey the publisher
so shit on them too
14:26
that's a bit short sighted eric
they don't deserve death threats, that's messed up
i know
but they should never have agreed to shit it up so big TWICE
I am strongly against criticizing employees when everyone knows how a corporate works
because DICE is the responsible of both
they don't get to choose to agree or not
14:27
And the ones that make decisions are +5-10 levels above of them..
dice corporate scheme is very small actually
been when them on hands on smalltalk via live videos when they retook the battliefield saga
regardless, a developer has no say in the marketing tactics
they write the features
But their salaries are paid by the guys who tell them what to do
who are their direct bosses, not someone a ocean away
14:29
@TimCastelijns very true
The gaming industry is pretty small, if all the big players are shitty a developer has nowhere to go but to go Indy or switch the field
fuck a game up once as company, shame on me for buying it
fuck it twice, shame on you for doing it
not justifying death threats
just saying that the game dev industry is small enough for a dev team to be able to say no
they have no replacement
Death threats are an absolutely no-go. Period
Micro-Transactions and everything that brings money is driven by sales guys. No game dev or designer is even asked for his opinion on that topic
but don't forget: micro transactions originated in mini games on facebook. So if you want to blame people: start there
If you feel the need to issue death threats to people because a company decided to charge you for something, you need to reevaluate your life
Feel free to boycott the company. The people don't deserve death threats
And don't deserve to be criticized when you know they don't make decisions
14:37
EA has perfected the model which was first exposed on Facebook through all those farmville type games. I think that was the very first place I seen micro-transactions.
From all the 660k that are unhappy, in my opinion if 1000 (that's 1/660) decided to act, why not create 1 or multiple alternative studios? :D
because it's not about making games
it's about sending a downvote.
@WarrenFaith indeed
don't get me wrong, I'm not criticizing unhappy people. I'm just saying that if these problems have been perpetuating for years, why nothing's changed? clearly the corporate doesn't care about downvotes
PlayersUnknown from PlayersUnknown Battleground was an unhappy game dev and created his own game with some others. But that works in 1 of 100 cases or so...
EA has always made shitty games though
14:44
because of the lack of support from the community? or because of the efforts needed to develop a EA level game?
because you can't run a game dev company on hopes and dreams.
but yeah EA fucks up 1/4 games it releases
happened on Dragon age inquisition, happened on simcity, happened on andromeda
BF1 is fine tho.
The only thing that runs on hopes and dreams and bitching are social comments :D
@MehdiB. imagine all 600k saying, nope fuck you ea, you're not getting my $60 (or whatever the price is)
they already did
$36M in sales
14:46
there's a twitter feed that has atleast some thousand cancellations
so that's a lot of cash
i imagine their backend graph going "wooosh"
now see that EA's revenue is $4.845B
even the 36M is not really considerable
which means there's clearly people who don't mind that system
14:48
their revenue comes from atleast a hundred games a year mehdi
does Universal break away when a movie that was made with a gazillion cash earns just the popcorn cost? no
A drop of $36M wouldn't make their shareholders happy
but they start firing the people that made them do the crappy movie
and hire new idiots who can make their job better at knowing what players wnat
want*
exactly
anyway, small tips, the best way to start a business competing with an existing player, is to only target unhappy customers
and work on a product that satisfy them
then the wheel turns and you become a player who has unhappy customers which will be targeted by another one and so on...
i won't start a games dev business
already got enough issues being a lazy dev
14:54
o/
when I say "you" I don't mean "you eric", I just mean "anyone" :D
you know that success is not easy.
A short reminder: Everyone knows WD-40 right?
> The knowledge that WD-40 literally stands for “Water Displacement–40th Attempt” is, I have to admit, oddly comforting.
so 39 times the inventor failed
> James Dyson had 5,126 failed prototypes before he invented his phenomenal vacuum cleaner
> Rovio had 51 failed attempts before Angry Birds
that means they finished 51 games before one was a success
That makes me feel better about the new app update launch
so know start to imagine 51 game ideas... the work which went into 51 games
14:57
or he had 51 times a npe
I do agree! and the persistent ones are the ones I respect :D
however I'm just saying that it's better to work on something you love knowing that you have a community that will support you, than working knowing you'll have to start everything from scratch
but step 1 is not screwing a community away
Project Session has a great community, lots of people were tired with EA not releasing Skate 4
with a bad game
rovio created a nice game that does have micro transactions if i remember well
EA probably didn't release Skate 4 because they can't milk the game with microtransactions
14:59
but it's a free game, where micros are mostly optional afaik
Rovio fucked up the latest games with micro transactions as well
if riovio made angry birds a 80$ game and then added micros to it, betcha the opinions would differ
oh nice
they also implemented a "energy" or "stamina" system
so the theory is confirmed
so you fail a level, -1 on the stamina
14:59
people dislike microtransactions.
30 minutes bring you one new stamina
oh shit that's stupid
or you pay, of course
Warren - does it mean that the games are not profitable without this business model?
I will literally never understand why people think it is ok to "prevent" me from playing
15:00
they are profitable as fuck
they just want more profit
^
reach the critical mass and you have constant cash flowing
the profit margin for any AAA game is 10x the profit margin of a hollywood movie
We actually love mtx especially in dota
for example, fifa takes them 18-ish millions a year to develop and liscense
I honestly am extremely interested how Diablo 3 creates revenue...
15:01
game is free but plenty of mtx worth buying
I'm starting to think subscription fee based games would be the way forward (for consumers)
18M is what they get from real FIFA partnership
so at day 0 if fifa sold 0 units
pay 1 up front fee, pay for the continued development of the game in the form of a yearly subscription
subscription is a killer for me
they would be at 0 losses
i subscribe only to multiple services at the same time
15:02
I'm guilty to loving FIFA
for example, i DO have EA vault
just to get free games every once in a while
I love being able to do tricks around people and piss them off before scoring lmao
EA vault = the spotify of ea games
then doing annoying celebrations afterwards while hearing kids screaming down their mic "I FUCK YOUR MOM"
yeah i love fifa too
waiting for vault to get fifa 18
change es-es to en-gb
I sense some mixed feelings here, considering a good chunk of Fifa (FUT) consists of micro transactions
What sort of price do you pay for it?
24 a year
I never once pay for anything in UT though @TimCastelijns
15:04
i get UT for free by just playing
and a lot of them
I don't even play UT much because seasons is a better test of skill imo
my account has like 12K unspent cash because i already unlocked eveyrthing in fifa 17
still i would prefer it to no t be purchaseable at all
still it is designed pay to win
yup. that's why i despise it can be bought
and i'm against it too
EA Access = PS4/XBOX
ORIGIN Access = PC
I too mostly spent my time in seasons or career mode. But career mode grows boring when known players retire and you are left with random generated players with no face
15:14
try player career mode
it's the best feature of hte game
i spend 80% of my fifa playtime on it
OH MY GOD
if this wasn't bad enough
@WarrenFaith there is a daily credit limit on batttlefront 2
this is like, fucking shit
who here actually plays that game
not me
i know people that do and get feeback from it
15:16
never played any battlefront :O
I know
the gamepay is better than the first one, but isn't at battlefield 1 leve
the space gameplay is no longer arcade point and shoot
overall average to good feeling, when you ignore the fact that anyone with a visa is better than you
many games have daily "credit" limit. It's just really easy to jump on the hypetrain and hate on EA, but it's not like they just invented this mechanism
never heard of it
it's not on fifa, assasins creed, battlefield..
hell, battlefield multiplies your ingame cash every hour you're in
there are more than 3 games
15:18
mass effect, dragon age, PE:S
football manager, cities skylines
prison architect
halo was doing this credit limit back in 2010
what halo? had them all* and don't remember it
* not the strategy shit ones
reach had credit?
i don't remember that
yes, to level up online
15:20
anyway it was EA, and haven't seen a EA game with it in a long time
Tim, don't start whataboutism
:D
maybe the hired the same idiot to desing the marketing strategy?
halo 5 surely doesn't have a multiplayer credit cap
> Whataboutism (also known as whataboutery) is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument. [...]
Learned a new word today :D
Invented by communism, used heavily by Trump and his supporters
15:46
guys, don't be quiet
mehdi please don't interrupt our prayers, have some respect
I'm so sorry Tim, I shall immediately beg for forgiveness
and maybe read 30sec of a PHP article
shame on you
(for reading the php article)
wait, you mean it's not necessary for my redemption?
i jsut deleted 12 GB worth of old emails
16:00
Feeling really tired lately
Tim, give me your drugs
what drugs
idk, name me some
time to go home
have all some fun
just stare at the screen like me. That feeling doesn't go away
16:03
XD
Firefox Quantum Beta released
literally holding my eyes up
I also tried oat powder yesterday
worst shake of my life, but I still finished it
Btw, last month I went to the ophtalmo as my eyes were tickling me the way you feel when you really need to sleep
luring me into thinking I needed to sleep
in fact I had a small eyes allergy
once treated 3 days later I could work late at night again
did you use eye drops
that counts as drug
16:08
XD
Drug as in medicine or Drug drug? :D
Don't see a difference as long as you can flex hard afterwards
that's not how this work
rude :/
16:13
you
Not sharing drugs, points and rude - thought we are brothers in arms man
I thought I gave you 50 free points less than a month ago
must be my mistake
@MehdiB. it's really good!
Yes! :D
The only annoying thing is the usual popup "install chrome" when you're on a Google page
16:26
yeah, i'm on 58 and it's super fast
I've not betrayed chrome since I installed it when it was first released :D
I'm not but my RAM was
"Here you go Chrome, some RAM for you"
5 mins later
"Wait what? You want more RAM? ...okay"
55 mins later
"Chrome I can't take it anymore, just take it all!"
I've never had issues. Then again I don't open 50 tabs, and my machine has more than 4GB ram
I had 8GB system which was suffering from lag due to Chrome hogging RAM, switched to FF and hardly ever experienced the same issues
mark how many commits have you made on your app project?
16:40
You can check?
sure m8
git shortlog -sn
1218 in total, I honestly have no idea where those other commits came from
if you make commits from your home pc, under a different name or email, they show separately
16:42
How many do you have?
833. I always thought I had a lot
lemme check
Do you do hotfix branches and feature branches?
@TimCastelijns try this: git rev-list --all --count
905
what's the difference
commits on all the branches
777
A: How do I get the Git commit count?

Ben AtkinTo get a commit count for a revision (HEAD, master, a commit hash): git rev-list --count <revision> To get the commit count across all branches: git rev-list --all --count I recommend against using this for build identifier, but if you must, it's probably best to use the count for the branc...

16:44
1457
looks fine
oh I have some branch I am cherry-picking from, but the commits in that branch are mostly duplicates from the commits in the current branch, so they don't count
rest is all up to date
the android project only has 330
looks like I am a genius
depends, lol
is your first commit "implemented v1 of the app" ?
sec
01 Feb, 2016 1 commit
added gitignore
ayyy
16:47
gimme your first commit
time to spam that email
any experiences with Mosby?
nah I prefer handling it myself
Screw any patterns
we do it like telegram
everythin into one class
In this blog post https://fractalwrench.co.uk/posts/playing-apk-golf-how-low-can-an-android-app-go/
There is a section "Where we’re going, we don’t need IDEs" below that there are few commands where are we supposed to type those commands ?
I think I started here 06/06/16
type them in the terminal
in android studio terminal ?
any correctly configured terminal
AS terminal tab probably easiest for you

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