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12:00 PM
But my income isn't enough to qualify for taxes yet.
So the guy, for now, just declares the income.
 
read: idc and pay someone else to get me out of jail xD
 
Hmm..
wise enough
do you pay him?
I want the same model to work for me as well, can I contact him too?
 
How did you setup a company in the US?
Is it like ... easy?
 
Basically, there's this site called legalzoom
They did all the setup stuff.
I pay them to handle the tax etc as well.
 
interesting.
 
12:02 PM
It was a little harder for me because I'm 15, so we had to check up on stuff like whether I can actually own a company or not.
 
how much do they charge?
 
Turns out I can.
They have different packages. So it depends on what you choose.
I chose the most basic one.
 
capitalism at is best. (no offense though, glad it works for you ^^)
 
Non taken.
 
so if you have a company there in the US, why use the InApp? why not the Play store itself?
I mean you can sell the apps from play store itself!
 
12:04 PM
Yes, but I use in app for extra level packs etc.
 
so you sell your apps too, right?
 
Plus in app purchase apps are harder to crack, or so I've heard.
Nah.
I can, but I don't.
 
this all sounds interesting..
at least worth exploring
what say, @Reno ?
 
You'll also need to setup a bank account in the US to get your earnings.
But that's pretty easy.
 
being a non-US citizen, is that easy?
being someone who hasn't even been there. not even once :D
 
12:06 PM
It's harder than for a US citizen, but hey, if a 15 year old can do it, why can't you?
Plus I have some relatives in the US, so they helped me with the bank account.
But it should be easy enough.
 
I am just more concerned about the legal facts that the 15 year old might have ignored :P
 
i think inapp is a great option for both sides. devs can add all types of extra gadgets and charge little fees for that.
 
I have sleeping bank accounts in many countries >.> I'm so lazy
 
consumers don't have to buy a full ap but easily get a basic function and extend it in the blink of an eye
 
If you do find something I skipped, let me know. I'd rather not keep it that way/
 
12:07 PM
I too have quite a lot of relatives there in the US, but wouldn't want to trouble them :P
@RaghavSood I surely would. but how do I contact you?
I am @amanalam on twitter
 
@Appaholics16
 
@Reno lol
@yoshi correct, but it depends
 
you might want to delete that mail id, due to spam and that.
(up arrow)
 
yeah do it, I have copied it
 
Oh yeah.
 
12:09 PM
but be quick, it expires soon
 
Done.
 
gotcha
that's some valuable info you've given me
I'll keep digging it
 
@SheikhAman: yes. Well it's just another option but I see lot of potential.
 
any ballpark about how much expense I should be preparing for?
@yoshi indeed
 
Dudes i absolutely and desperately hate it being the only android dev here :C
 
12:12 PM
I think my LegalZoom fees were ~$150
 
Android Authority reviewed my app today
 
@Glitch Yaayyyyy
 
I don't remember the exact amount.
 
@yoshi I'm an Android dev o.O
 
@ProfSmiles I mean here in RL
 
12:13 PM
ah :P where are you? haha
@Glitch are they the people that charge for reviews?
they offered me a review...
 
Gotta say, I love this SGSIII more and more. Telstra fucked up our phone line today, so we have no internet. But this SGSIII tethered is fantastic at maintaining a consistent connection. My Meizu M9 was hopeless.
@ProfSmiles nope, just some random blog
 
You Americans use state names as if the whole world knows them :P
 
+1 @Reno
LoL
 
+1 Reno
 
@RaghavSood that's pretty amazing
 
12:15 PM
Wasn't yoshi from Berlin?
 
or as his name suggests, Japan?
YoshiMoto?
 
checks @yoshi 's SO profile for details
 
ok, he's from Germany.
omg you Europeans use place names as if everyone knows them :P
 
sry yeah. I'm Berlin based. small company
and it feels like iOS is daddy's darling
i understand. it's fast to design. only one resolution etc. ok so long so good. but then have only one guy dealing with android making sure all different devices are ok - feels kinda unfair <.<
-just feels frustrated atm-
 
12:26 PM
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
My app breaks in Jelly Bean
kinda
 
why?
 
How so? And that was quick
 
The overlay I use for subzero etc. stops users from hanging up phone calls. -_-
I have a fix, but it's the same dodgy one I use to fix sideloading with my app
 
o.O
 
I'm tempted to buy a Nexus7 to test further >_<
 
12:29 PM
Did they have the Google I/O extended in Aus?
 
yeah who's made up their minds with the Nexus7?
@Reno I hope so / wish :D
 
@Reno yes, but I didn't go. Not going to the city at 2am for a keynote
 
oh right those watching party things?
 
You could have got the JB device (I think) not sure.
 
They didn't give them out at the extended ones
AFAIK
 
12:30 PM
oh anyway, this is a seriows bug.
 
It's because some n00b at Google made the Call End button a secure view
Why, I have nfi -_-
 
You should remove the overlay during call. For now
Subscribe to call events.
 
@Reno indeed, that'd be the optimal solution
I wish Google allowed me to adjust brightness without all these hacks
Through Accessibility or whatever
 
I think I'll wait till nexus 7 becomes avail in Germany. No troubles with import and i can wait for reviews. hope it won#t take too long
 
12:37 PM
but you do want one?
 
Sorry! Books on Google Play is not available in your country yet.
Fucking Google
 
Same as Reno
 
I saw it a few days ago and there was like "This power cannot fall into the wrong hands!" and stuff XD
HAHAHAHA Clearly a Masterpiece, I found myself full of mixed emotion while being taking on the Mystic adventure crested by Google Inc. With a hint of Hardcore Erotica I found myself unable to put the book down till it was complete.
(this is the Nexus7 user manual, btw)
 
Reviews of the 'Nexus 7 Guidebook'
 
12:41 PM
The narrative is clear and sensitive to the difficult issues faced - but not without humour. This is life-affirming stuff. Tissues at the ready everyone...
wrap up of The Verge's Nexus7 review: Google’s Nexus 7 isn’t just an excellent tablet for $200. It’s an excellent tablet, period.
 
Indeed, and 8.8 is a very high score for The Verge
I don't think they've ever gone beyond a 9
 
interesting
 
10 means the product is flawless, essentially
 
Awesome comments
 
The bezel at the bottom and top should have been slimmer
 
12:53 PM
Apparently the bezel was by design
To make it easier to hold without touching shit on screen
 
yeah so you can hold it
 
All I know is I regret buying this crappy Galaxy Tab 10.1
 
I like my Transformer :)
 
I kinda wish Apple successfully blocked it in Australia so I didn't waste my money on it
 
(also by ASUS hehe)
 
12:54 PM
You hold it at the side, using your thumb
 
Eclipse memory usage - 425k - completely frozen on Android SDK Content Loader... rage
 
@Graeme you mean MB, right?
 
Hmm? What? Oh, yes, 425,000k
pos - had to restart. Dunno what it was getting itself confused about.
 
1:11 PM
@Graeme You've got company broh - Me :D
 
I'm kind of sad that the Nexus 7 doesn't have and sdcard slot :/
 
yeah that sucks
it also doesn't have a vibrator
 
hehehehehe
gosh, so childish @Glitch :P
 
1:28 PM
But without a vibrator I have to finger it more carefully. D:
 
Could someone please help me debug a simple if statement problem?
 
Only you could be disappointed by the lack of vibration in your new 7" piece of hardware.
@rascuache No
 
@Glitch WOT?
 
@Graeme really?
 
@OctavianDamiean :D
 
1:29 PM
Last time you wanted help with a simple if/else statament - which was actually "Help me with this problem which is reasonably large enough to fit into it's own SO question"
 
Really?
 
Go ask you're question so everyone can benefit from the answer
 
@Graeme I actually didn't want to post on SO, as I don't think it would benefit others.
And it is quite simple.
 
Alright - shoot
 
HOW 2 PRINT STUFF IF X > Y
 
1:31 PM
Well, I've posted the code at pastie: pastie.org/4171404 Basically, the toast messages shows that the String 'status' is changing between it's two states, but the image isn't changing with setResources.
@Graeme - thanks for enduring. I apologise if you think my questions don't belong here.
 
LOL!
 
Why are you comparing strings with a
==
 
I have posted some to SO that ended up being to specific to my own project, and I didn't want to waste everyone's time. That's where I thought these chatrooms come in handy..
 
You can't compare strings with ==
 
operator?
 
1:32 PM
Should i be using .equals?
 
Use string.equals
 
Yes, otherwise you're comparing references
This is Java, not Haskell
 
Ok. The reason why is because I have been learning programming for a little over a month.
Thanks for your help.
The problem is, the comparison is working. The toast message displays as expected. The issue is in the image not changing.
 
Hrmmm
 
Your toast is outside the condition statement. It'll display no matter what.
 
1:35 PM
Ah yes, I see.
Ok, I'll fix the == thing and I reckon it will work. Thanks!
So would you agree that didn't belong in SO, or should I put questions like this there in the future?
 
The string problem was fine for chat. The one you asked before should have gone to SO.
 
I'd say that the problem with Strings catches out every Java developer and is a special case.
But it's a pretty good indicator that you should keep reading up on tutorials on the Java Language.
If every passer by asked a "simple" question in here the room would be flooded almost constantly. You can see why we discourage it and hope people will go and read tutorials.
 
TBH the last question was not that in depth, and I got some help here fairly quickly. I reckon that was the kind of question that was too subjective for SO.
 
personally I think the greatest pitfall with .equals() are the NullPointerExceptions.
 
@Graeme, fair enough.
 
1:40 PM
@yoshi Just one of those things where you need to check for null &&
 
Any ideas what are the differences while developing for Amazin Kindle Fire?
I noticed it treats the normal UI components quite differently
 
If you check against Constants or something else you're 100% it's not null simply execute .equals() on that.
 
for example, a white text on a gray button, appears black on it
weird
 
Being a beginner programmer, I don't know where else to turn. I work as a civil engineer, I don't know a single programmer personally, and my questions are far to specific for SO. Sometimes the answers are really simple too, and I don't think SO is a great medium for "try this" - "Oh thanks, that didn't work" - "Oh ok, try this..".. if you know what I mean.
Maybe I'm just in the wrong room?
 
Personally, I would be pretty fine helping a guy like you mate
 
1:43 PM
Thanks for that ;)
 
@rascuache I realise a room full of people ready to advise you like technical support would be fantastic for you...
 
@Graeme far out - I'm not looking for an argument. I understand where your coming from and I'll limit my questions to SO.
 
asking good questions is an art for itself anyway.
 
Good stuff
 
@rascuache well, we all start some things at some time, and learn on our way.
So in your case, you'll too learn slowly, about how to program, how to post better questions (its an ongoing process, for me too)
and I really appreciate the fact that you're coming into computer programming from your field of engineering. I know its not the easiest thing to do, so I appreciate your courage and passion in this case :)
 
1:50 PM
@SheikhAman yeah I understand. The thing is, I do put a lot of research into my questions, and I make sure they can be understood. I can ask a decent question, but one of the hardest things being a beginner is that you have no idea where the problems are coming from. It's quite difficult at first to use the debugger, and a lot of the errors aren't that obvious at first.
I've been trying to read up on programming for beginners as well.. But between work , programming and doing engineering masters at uni, I don't have a heap of time. So I try to do practical applications of java apps - to keep it fun, so I don't lose interest.
 
@rascuache It'll get better with experience. After 6 years of programming, and 1 and a half years of Android, I still routinely get stuck on stuff that makes me feel quite stupid after solving it.
 
Unfortunately, that means I occasionally miss out on simple things!
 
@rascuache Being a skilled programmer isn't about memorising languages or constructs, it's about the ability to learn how to find out about these things. Post question's here can get you answer's but you won't learn how to become a better programmer.
 
@Graeme I disagree. As an engineer, I pride myself on my ability to learn through practical application. Asking questions here helps me overcome small hurdles, allowing me to progress in that particular piece of code. Through this progression I learn more and more aspects of both Java and Android.
 
Disagree all you like you'll still be wrong.
Programming is all small hurdles
You may accomplish more by getting quick solutions but you'll suffer in the long run from not having learned how to learn.
 
1:55 PM
I'm really proud of what I've achieved in a short period of time - I think this method works for me. And that's what all learning is about. Finding what works for you. You might do things differently - that doesn't make me wrong.
 
Ok, well, I'm happy for you in that case.
... but don't ask question's in here without links to SO ok? :)
 
No problems.
 
You should learn Haskell :P
 
Haha I've never heard of it. The main reason I like doing android is coz I have an android phone..
 
You could look at Scala
But learn Java first
 
2:00 PM
But I don't wanna look at another language!
One is hard enough!
 
But Haskell/Scala is better than Java!
And it's easier to get your head around their abstract concepts when you're a newbie, since you haven't been taught to love how horrible other languages are
 
I dunno man, I'll just use whatever does the job ATM. I'm trying to make a music player for my phone. I don't expect t to be any better than the existing ones available, but it will be mine, and that's enough for me to use it. Other than that the only thing I really want java for is a few simple apps for work..
But I might have a look at it anyway..
 
If you have any level of appreciation for math, you'll like how Haskell works
It's very elegant
 
Pure awe!
 
I do - but the thought of another language right now is too much. I'm deep in frustration with my app, which I better get back to. I'll have a bit of a look later though, thanks for the suggestion.
Anyway, thanks for your help guys. I'll catch you round.
 
2:08 PM
And this is why @nil shouldn't be allowed at the access list :P
@OctavianDamiean, @Reno How about a rule along the lines of "You must have at least 200 rep" to gain write access ?
 
That won't help.
 
With the obvious additions of "Unless your user icon is a unicorn"
 
Also, not having too many rules is the better route.
 
It will stop nil from accepting the entire list then fscking off somewhere :P
I don't like acting like the bad guy :P
Rules remove the morale obligation from enforcing them and move them to the shadowy figures who create the rules.
 
I totally do but I'm too lazy currently.
 
2:13 PM
Granted, that would be me in this instance, but rule guilt is much easier to dodge
 
See, I don't care, because you left me out of this exclusive responsibility club.
Every secret door knock I've tried has failed.
And my knuckles are sore from all this brute forcing
 
@rascuache Don't get frustrated. this is what will teach you. be around more than often, and I believe your engineering background will help you a lot in learning how to do things when you're programming
 
@Glitch I'd invite you to the club but I don't trust your judgement :) Ask @OctavianDamiean, he likes you.
I had to do some pretty bad things to get owner access to the room... out damn spot! out!
 
Did it involve 7" devices and too much friction?
 
See, bad judgement, you have to be careful with your application of friction. You don't want to break it :P
 
2:19 PM
If you do it right then there should not be too much friction. Just sayin'. ;)
 
^-^
 
no longer wants to be part of this club
 
@Pyrodante Whut!? U mad bro? :D
Oh my god this mix I found is just sick ...
I feel how I die slowly without my bike ... it is like a drug.
 
So, I have a simple question...
 
2:34 PM
Want a complex answer?
 
I actually want to be the kind of person who can do naughty things like read the news at work without feeling guilty
 
That's easy.
 
Well after the things you've done to various unicorns, that's hardly anything to feel guilty about.
 
Just do it and stop caring.
 
@Glitch Are you trying to insinuate me and the unicorn have had proper relations?
@OctavianDamiean That's what you said to me last night -.-
 
2:46 PM
*inproper
 
homophobe - my relations are just as proper as yours!
XD
... Does @OctavianDamiean take part in the love that dare not neigh it's name?
my brain is broken for this afternoon. need sleep.
 
3:12 PM
Do you ever wonder if the more tired you get, the more you're actually "waking" to the real world and this is just a dreary-in-places dream?
 
Yes.
 
haha multiple realities? damn that concept
 
3:50 PM
So I'm back with the damn imageButton problems again!
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Q: Button image not changing when broadcast is first sent

rascuacheI am creating a media player very similar to the RandomMusicPlayer in the android samples. I'm trying to send a broadcast intent when processPlayRequest or processPauseRequest is called (when the user presses play or pause and the MediaPlayer begins playing/pauses). The broadcast intent is receiv...

@Graeme - Seriously man have you got it in for me or what?
 
Yes, it's a personal vendetta
Just think of me as your old stern uncle to whom nothing is ever good enough who pushes you to achieve better
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I'm not sure about decluttering now - given that I don't know where the problem exists, I don't know what to take out.
 
Knowing what is where is a very basic bit of knowledge you need to know in order to code. Why not try to do a few more simple programs before you do something as complicated as an Android application?
 
I'm fine - I'll sort it out. Don't know if I deserved a downvote before I got the chance to fix it - not to mention you could've just said something here. "Be excellent to each another." - hmm
 
4:22 PM
fyi, it is much easier to use a Log message rather than a Toast for debugging
good habit to get into
 
yeah Toast isn't good
 
Indeed use the goddamn tools Google gave you.
 
Yeah thanks for the advice. I did read that earlier, today, somebody has suggested in an answer not to use toast.. I'm still getting familiar with the debugger, but I'll try and get into that habit.
@Graeme I've tidied up that code as best I could, if you do want to have another look. I'd very much appreciate some more pointers if you can see what's going wrong.
I'm off to bed. Thanks again everyone.
 
I need some user advice: I'm making a game, and I need to store some user data in an online database. Now to identify individual users, I'm trying to choose between having them sign up for an account at the beginning or using the device IMEI/MAC address. Which is a better option? Signing up for an account might not be liked by some users, but the IMEI system might fail if a device is passed on by one user to another. If anyone has any other suggestion as well, I'd be happy to hear it.
 
4:40 PM
if a device is passed on by another user then just give them the option of clearing their account
 
But then the original owner will lose his/her data.
Another pro of having an account created is that I can use the same account across all my apps.
 
oh so you want the account to be transferrable
seems like using an account is unavoidable then
wow, debugging with the android source code is SO much easier
 
Oh well then. Thanks for the help. Guess I have some PHP/MySQL writing to do then.
 
5:17 PM
Hello all i am new to android programming and i am in bit trouble.. stuck in part of my code.. can you please help..
 
OH GOD NO
 
1 message moved to Casual chat
2 messages moved to bin
om nom nom
 
@TanzeelAhmed Write it up in a question on SO, and we might take a look at it, if it does turn out to be a question,
 
6:13 PM
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Q: App Crashes-No Return From Webservice

Tanzeel AhmedSo i have developed this app that accesses the google maps on the device. after that it reads the corner cordinates (top left and bottom right) of the screen visible on the device and stores the values in variables xmin xmax ymin and ymax. now these values are passed to the web service, http://...

yeah so posted the question @RaghavSood would be really thankful if you could help
 
@TanzeelAhmed Could you post the crash Log?
 
6:36 PM
okey sure ill post in the question @RaghavSood
done @RaghavSood
 
What is line 157 in Intentservice.java?
 
could you specify the code which one you are talking or copy tht line here
 
Uh, I'm asking you for the line.
 
broadcastIntent.putStringArrayListExtra("codnt", arrlat_long); //arrlat_long
thats the line 157
 
Are you sure it's not Log.d("TEST TESTTEST", "In start TESTTEST = "+arrlat_long.get(0)+" $$$ "+arrlat_long.size());?
 
6:53 PM
Log.d("TEST TESTTEST", "In start TESTTEST = "+arrlat_long.get(0)+" $$$ "+arrlat_long.size());

thats line 153 as it shows in my eclipse
 

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