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1:02 AM
With a plagiarized, accepted answer
 
1:42 AM
@Makyen Is it cool to ask for delete votes on incorrect negatively voted answers? I assume yes. This will be the same page that I asked for a more general review pls yesterday.
7 out of 9 answers on the page do not attempt to address the issue in the question and are therefore incorrect. Some have a negative tally, so they can be purged by us.
 
2:15 AM
@mickmackusa You have an answer on this question, which makes you involved in the question and all answers on the question. Thus, you are not permitted to make any requests about the question or any answers on the question, per rule #15.
@mickmackusa SOCVR is really good for things which are obviously wrong. When it's something which requires an understanding of the tech in the question's tags, SOCVR is less effective, due to having a limited supply of people who are experts in each technology. For the mass cleanup of answers which look like answers, but are just poor/bad, you will probably find it more effective to ask for assistance in a room that is specific to the technology involved (i.e. where SMEs hang out).
 
Drat, you are right. Please kill my request. My crusade began before I posted an answer.
Sorry for that.
Oh, you already have.
 
np. It happens.
 
I did drop a message in the php room, but that seems to have been uneventful.
(yesterday)
 
2:33 AM
@mickmackusa I'm not familiar with the PHP room, so I have no idea how active it is. I would have assumed that there would be some SMEs with >20k rep who are in the room occasionally. Sunday was probably not a good day to make the request. I'd suggest going to the room info page and looking for when, both day and time of day, the room has its higher activity times and make a request during one of those times.
Prior to needing only 3 CV to close, it was very common for requests in SOCVR which were made at off times to get very little attention. The need to be able to review requests which had not yet been handled, but which were no longer visible in the main chat, what the primary reason that the URRS was originally created. I'd be surprised if other rooms don't have a similar issue with things not getting much attention once they are outside the view of the main chat page.
 
 
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5:48 AM
Morning!
 
6:41 AM
@VadimKotov "opinion based" hardly? but also request for off-site resource
 
@tripleee Probably
 
Hi o/
 
o/
 
7:46 AM
Thoughts on this audit? I voted to close it as not having enough information - the asker doesn't describe anything about what their app contains, so it's gonna be pretty hard for anyone to help them with their problem. It's along the lines of "how do I make my code faster? it currently takes 10 seconds to run but it's only processing 3 or 4 items. Is there any way to reduce it to under a second?" stackoverflow.com/review/close/25795509
 
@RyanM No idea about android, but if I remember correctly packaging a program in Java can vary significant in size depending on options used, such as including services.
 
@RyanM IMHO, the question does look a bit weak (but I'm no SME). I agree it's a poor audit. You should raise this on Meta, for a wider audience (such posts on Meta aren't unusual, and it partly what it's for). The several things could happen: (1) The "Meta effect" will get the Q downvoted, so it will no longer qualify as an audit. (2) A moderator may agree with you and somehow manually remove it from the audit pool. (3) You may find that others disagree with you and downvote your Meta post.
 
8:01 AM
@AdrianMole giving it one down vote will already remove it from the audit pool.
No mod needed
 
OK - that's a more efficient approach, for sure. TIL
 
@RyanM I think the Q is fine and so is the audit. The APK is the delivery file. On low band-width / storage challenged devices the size of the delivery file does matter. Comparing it with a perf problem is not fair IMO as the OP didn't write or invent that APK format, they are stuck with it. The question can be helped if they included which options they already tried but beyond that the Q is on-topic.
 
@rene So.. basically if anyone's imperfect Question lands in an audit, it's OK to downvote them? It doesn't seem fair to me.
 
@Scratte I'm only explaining how it would disappear as an audit. Whether you use your votes for that purpose is up to anyone for themselves. An imperfect question is subject to down votes so on first sight I don't see any unfairness in that.
 
8:17 AM
@rene That's a good argument, but I'm not sure I agree. Downvoting just to get it out of audit doesn't seem right to me. But downvoting someone's post because it's raining also doesn't seem right to me.
 
oh I totally agree it's a real problem, but a bit of Google searching suggests that the base size of a react native APK is <10MB, which would suggest that the OP has added at least 36MB of stuff to it. That's evidenced by the answer, which is basically a number of ways of saying "put less large stuff (code & assets) in it". At any rate, thanks for the thoughts, all - I'll perhaps raise a meta post if I have a few moments.
 
8:29 AM
@Scratte some downvote because they lost their keys. Let's not overthink this.
 
8:59 AM
I downvote because I lost my keys all the time. This is normal, right?
 
@halfer So.. it was you! :D
What does URRS mean? meta doesn't seem to know and google thinks I'm crazy for asking
 
@Scratte searching the room's history is often helpful, too
Mar 5 at 18:59, by Machavity
Incidentally, you can always search for open CVs and we have URRS if you need to search
Jan 3 at 21:12, by Makyen
For formatting chat messages as you view them yourself, and providing helpful information, there's the Unclosed Request Review Script (URRS) (GitHub) (install), which provides semi-realtime status of requests in the main chat view and adds question titles to generic links. It also adds buttons to search for open requests and displays a page where you can review the requests.
 
@Scratte I'm only communicating through my lawyer at the moment
 
9:38 AM
@tripleee Of course. Thank you :)
 
 
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10:40 AM
 
Why am I not surprised to see "Teams - first 10 free" in the main menu? — John Dvorak 14 secs ago
 
12:09 PM
Morning
 
1:09 PM
what the heeeeck this duplicated HNQ feed is annoying
did not want to start my week off with more noise on SO -_-
 
context?
 
@NathanOliver top pinned message
 
1:25 PM
@NathanOliver I am in the 3rd variant group so I see this i.stack.imgur.com/zSkLn.png
@Scratte do you have a browser userscript addon installed?
something like violentmonkey? (or greasemonkey / tampermonkey)
 
@TylerH Boy I am glad I'm not in that group
 
@TylerH Yes :)
 
2:00 PM
@Scratte If you have one of those, you can install the URRS or other userscripts that help with moderation. Note that based on reputation some scripts might not work or make sense
If you hadn't already looked it up when you asked, URRS refers to Unclosed Request Review Script
You can see the full list of SOCVR-related scripts here socvr.org/tools/userscripts
 
@TylerH I didn't install it because I can't close vote or reopen vote, so it didn't seem to be very useful to me.
 
2:20 PM
@Scratte fair enough -- and you'll get there soon!
 
2:42 PM
seeded some questions if anyone has some spare close votes
 
Music to mine ears
 
Ugh, I got into test variant C and it's awful.
 
@E_net4iscleaningup I somehow got moved out of it \o/
Sorry if you took my place :-)
@double-beep only saw 2 questions with this tag
 
@TylerH You need to sort by relevance.
@TylerH There should now be some questions with 2 CVs among the first 15 or so...
 
2:58 PM
@honk I sorted by all questions tagged with
@honk (this is in the close vote queue, not in the questions list)
I went NAA ^ didn't see anything else jump out to make it red flag worthy
 
@TylerH Ah, never mind. Anyway, if you want to find some more, you now know what to do :p
 
Maybe during the quarantine we can do a bit more seeding and focused closing like we used to :-)
 
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Q: Let's let this tag [die]

Robert ColumbiaThe tag die (currently 216 questions) needs to die. 1. Does it describe the contents of the questions to which it is applied? and is it unambiguous? No, questions relate to at least four different concepts that are not related at all. 2. Is the concept described even on-topic for the site? No...

 
@M-- no, it provides the answer in the vaguest of terms "to clear float[s]"
 
dbc
@honk Why add a cv-pls now? That question was Active 11 years, 1 month ago but generally close votes should be used for questions that have have recent activity on the question. Agree it's clearly off-topic by current standards, just wondering why now.
 
@M-- I hate those :) It's a little explanation and then a link. Without the link, it's half an answer.
 
not a very detailed answer, though. And the question is an nth duplicate. So it can be deleted once it qualifies
 
@honk you might want to revisit rule 11: socvr.org/faq#GEfM-cv-pls-not-a-habit
 
3:24 PM
@dbc I thought this was one of the questions that double has seeded. I posted it, because only one CV is missing and I didn't want to see the other 2 wasted. Anyway, it's the last Q on PM from me for today anyway...
 
M--
@TylerH Check the link. It's the link to the dupe-target. Comment pointing to the dupe was already posted. stackoverflow.com/posts/61075304/revisions see the revision 1. Not arguing on NAA, just saying how bad this answer is @Scratte see the revision and you'll hate it even more.
 
@M-- I see. Yes it's lazy and downvote worthy but if you remove the link you still have the gist of an answer there. Either way I still believe the proper course of action is to delete vote the question when able.
In fact it's 20k eligible right now, so...
 
@rene Thanks for the link. I didn't intend to post more than the 4-5 request which already had 2 CVs. I already moved on...
 
@Makyen 'twould be grand if the formatting script had the ability to detect when the 20k+ tag was included after the language tag and show a proper tooltip message rather than say 'it wasn't included' :-) Since I know you're probably super bored and not doing anything right now, hehe
@Scratte Please refrain from negatively describing specific posts in ways that don't relate to topicality (e.g. calling a post a turd).
 
@TylerH Right, sorry. You can remove it then.
 
3:39 PM
 
@M-- I'll try again. You cannot win with this. You cannot edit it and you cannot remove it. Even people here are very divided on what to do with them. Some refer to a post by Shog9, some will say it's an attempt of an answer.
@TylerH I was speaking in general term btw. There are a lot of those answers.
@M-- Some will mark them NAA and sometimes they are removed. But it depends on who handles the flag.
 
 
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4:52 PM
SD: Google translate says it is a Thankyou message.
 
Thankyou
 
 
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6:32 PM
@Scratte spam or rude/abusive. They already have one deleted answer there in the same vein as well.
 
@NathanOliver Not sure if the purpose is to nudge someone to purchase stock.
 
6:45 PM
Good morning, all /o ...
 
7:00 PM
@NathanOliver - how are you coping w/ covid-19? It's kind of funny, I thought I'd have way more time on my hands in lock-down, but I find I don't :(
 
\o Good moaning
 
@tink I'm doing pretty good. To cut down on folks being in the office I only work every other day so that's giving me a lot more free time to play factorio. Other then that the only big change is my Tuesday night game night I do with friends has been moved online while the shelter in place order is in effect.
 
@NathanOliver are you salaried or contracting atm?
(or hourly)
 
Salaried
 
7:09 PM
I'm jealous they're letting you work only every other day
 
We "work from home" on the days we are not in the office but support volume has been so low since we are only running like 30% so I have a lot of free time.
 
gotcha
so you have your work env up alongside your desktop one?
 
Yeah. We have a VPN so I just connect to that and remote into my desktop. I have 3 monitors at home (which is one more than work) so it's not an issue.
 
I have this arriving tomorrow newegg.com/black-wavlink-utd21/p/… so I can do that more easily
 
Very nice. I had one of my friends by a KVM from newegg for his girlfriend so she could use the same mouse and keyboard and screen for her home computer and her work computer.
 
7:13 PM
@NathanOliver does your work's VPN route all traffic from your home computer or just relevant traffic? Mine does all traffic and I'm connecting from a work laptop (Dell Precision 5530) so I can't install games or browser imgur and stuff on it
I would prefer a nice KVM switch but this Wavlink dock will at least be a good halfway step
 
AFAIK, it's just the traffic that matters. The only reason I think that is imgur is blocked on our corporate network, but I can visit it while I'm home and connected to the network. Steam also works and that is blocked as well.
 
That's nice
 
Yeah. If it routed all traffic, I'd spin up a VM and VPN through that so my personal machine would still be usable. Hey, you should do that.
 
Well they have to whitelist machines that do have VPN access so I dunno how that would work and when I request it and explain it to them I doubt they'd buy that :-(
 
Oh wow, that s***s
 
7:21 PM
"you wanna VPN from a VM on a non-company machine... so you can play games while you work? Nice try"
"we bought you a $1500 laptop so you shouldn't need to do this"
Luckily I can just set my laptop up and connect it to one of my two monitors at home and have 2 screens for work + one screen on my desktop to do something close
just can't have a single keyboard/mouse for both until I find and invest in a good KVM switch
 
@TylerH Oh, it's your work laptop that has the VPN on it. I can get that. For the KVM switch, do you need display port or would VGA work?
 
@NathanOliver that doesn't sound too bad ... I'm pent up with my adult son who was visiting from overseas, our road trip was cut short and we're stuck in my tiny flat =}
 
@tink You're in New Zealand, right?
@TylerH This is the KVM switch I've used, but it's only VGA: newegg.com/trendnet-tk-207k-d-sub-usb/p/N82E16817403047
 
Yah
 
Well at least you'll be able to spend time together. Any idea on how long the country is going to stay closed?
 
7:36 PM
We were just about all the way down the South Island when den lock-down notice came out. Made a mad dash north in the hopes to get the car across the ditch, but after 2 days of non-communication from the ferry companies (utterly overwhelmed) I left my car behind and flew home just a few hours before the country came to a stand still .... and no, the gubmint doesn't want to commit to definite timing. 4 weeks minimum, likely to be extended.
Economical disaster, so many business have gone down already, only two weeks in ...
 
@NathanOliver the laptop has thunderbolt for its dock (which contains a DP port and mini DP port) but also an HDMI port
I currently have one of my personal monitors connected to the work laptop and my personal desktop so that while my personal desktop is asleep the monitor works for my work laptop. Then when I want to use my personal desktop I disconnect the hdmi cord from the work laptop
 
We have a Sonicwall at work. They have a nifty VPN client for Windows that uses LDAP, and I just RDC to my work machine once connected
 
@tink Oh man. That's crazy. It's not so bad here but I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop. Our self isolating hasn't been very good (you see parks packed full of people) so we may yet have a full quarantine put in place if the numbers don't get better. Hopefully your car is in a safe place
@TylerH That's not too bad. Here is a link to another KVM I've heard good things about, and it's display port
 
It's parked up at the airport w/ video surveillance and all, but one never knows ... and yeah, some people are pretty daft. Here we get both extremes, ones carrying on as if nothing happened, and others displaying a vigilante mentality (blocking off the roads they live on) ...
 
I'll definitely wait to buy a KVM until I have two of the same monitors (that both support DP-- currently I have 1 monitor that supports DP, HDMI, and DVI, 1 monitor that supports HDMI, DVI, and I think VGA, and 1 monitor that supports DVI and VGA), and then I'll need to get a KVM that allows two DP inputs
 
7:49 PM
You may want to test how your setup responds to having monitors disconnected and reconnected before purchasing, especially if it's Linux - I have a KVM for work and I really just use the K/M parts, because my Linux setup really doesn't respond particularly well to changes in the number of monitors.
I also would not recommend the particular StarTech KVM I have, because it's buggy and drops the keyboard every once in a while, requiring pulling and reinserting the keyboard's USB cable, an effect which has been demonstrated with multiple keyboards and multiple computers, so it's definitely the KVM
 
@RyanM I'm on Windows exclusively these days
only ever dabbled with Linux anyway
but I wouldn't do serious work or gaming on anything other than Windows; I want to spend my time using the computer, not getting the computer to work :-)
 
8:12 PM
Night! o/
 
8:23 PM
@TylerH - heh. Funny, that's exactly the reason why Linux has been my primary OS for close to 20 years ;}
 
@tink Think of how much more you could've gotten done these last two decades with proper driver support :-D Meanwhile I can think about how much more I could've gotten done these last two decades with proper OS update methodology...
 
@TylerH - heh. I never had driver issues, but then I never needed the fastest hardware for the latest game ;)
 
That's right, I don't mean to brag or anything but my rig can almost play Crysis 8-)
wait, what do you mean that's not the standard anymore?
 
Anyone who wants to flag almost identical answers to different questions, let me know.
 
Hehe ... @TylerH - I stopped gaming when I was at my peak in Descent ;D
 
8:33 PM
@TylerH Could you point me at an example of a request which isn't doing what you'd like to see and provide a more detailed explanation of what you'd like it to do. I think you're probably meaning this request, but it's not clear to me what you want to have happen.
 
9:19 PM
@Makyen Yep, that's the one. Unfortunately in the graveyard the userscript doesn't re-format the question like it does in here. Basically, I put the tags in this order: del-pls ; html ; 20k+. The script reordered them to del-pls ; 20k+ ; html. But the script doesn't technically reorder them... it looks for the 20k+ tag (if needed) and, if it's not where it expects it, it assumes it wasn't included at all (and the tooltip shows the message "this tag wasn't included")
if that makes sense
 
@TylerH Just FYI: The formatting difference between what you saw in here and in the Graveyard's transcript is that the question is deleted. Because it's deleted, the script can't get any information about the question, so can't know to apply changes. If the question wasn't deleted, then the changes should be the same in the transcript, search pages, and user pages as you saw here in a main chat page.
 
@Makyen ah gotcha
anyway, the formatting as it is in the graveyard is how I wrote it
so as you can see I did include the 20k+ tag
 
 
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10:50 PM
What to flag this?
 
@Scratte The question or the answer? The answer is NAA, it's just a link with a bunch of text that says "use the link". The question is fuzzier, it might need more focus (it at least asks several questions, though they're related) but I'm not an SME so I don't know for sure.
 
The Question :)
They're asking how to deal with a new certificate to their system.
 
Yeah, I don't know enough about Windows code signing to know if renewing a certificate is a thing and this is actually a Comodo support request, or if it's just a technical question about how to deal with a new cert.
 
Yes, I don't know how that works on a network. I'd assume that it was a no-issue on a website.
 
@Scratte Question is off-topic, the answer is NAA
 
11:01 PM
@Dharman Which? General Computing?
 
@Scratte or Server fault
 
it's definitely not Server Fault, this is a code signing cert, not an SSL cert
 
@Dharman Thank you. I flagged the answer.. Then I noticed the Question.
 
I think code-signing questions are generally on-topic, at least they would (mostly) be in Android, unless they're policy questions or support requests.
 
It's so tricky with these rules..
 
11:04 PM
(though as I noted above, I'm unsure if this particular code-signing question is on-topic)
 
I retracted my flags on the entire thread now :)
I imagine it's a hazzle with a new certificate if they have a lot of customers.
 
M--
11:18 PM
I wanna slow down on posting CV requests but these are coming from last 5 questions on r-tag. Two of them were dupes which I closed. And this is the 6th. stackoverflow.com/questions/61090489/… Need a break!
 

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