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@DemCodeLines All I want is for you to be the kind of person who is willing to listen and learn even if the subject is not what you expect. You're demanding information about your topic and refuse to listen to anyone that is trying to help you be a good programmer.
@DemCodeLines I think sessions are pretty secure especially compared to the way you want to do it
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@DemCodeLines the stackoverflow dudes have helped me tremendously because I don't go calling them jerks when they give me a hard answer.
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They tell me what to read about and show me the core techniques and ideas that lay a foundation for my issue, then I have the tools to solve my own problems.
Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for a lifetime, ya know?
Maybe the wrong is in me, but I didn't expect you to straight up hint that I don't have any knowledge or that I am stupid. Hence, I thought you were mocking me and making fun of me.
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I didn't say you were stupid.
You hinted it.
00:05
@DemCodeLines PLEASE DON'T PULL THIS STUNT AGAIN
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You don't have fundamental knowledge of programming. I'm going to stand by that.
BEEN TRIED AND TESTED WITH US
What?
@M59 OK. So what do you suggest I do? Read 50 500-page books like some others say?
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Sure!
not a bad idea
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00:06
I started programming about a year and a half ago...I've probably read a thousand or more articles.
Google is your friend.
If I've googled as much as I can and found nothing, I ask here.
If people give me something to study, I study it.
First, I have taught myself programming (Just like many of you) so I obviously making a lot more errors than professionals who have been taught.
How's the VB OS going?
@CCInc so now you are taking your turn trying to mock me, huh?
vb os?
I never expect people would get so mean.
00:08
I'm two years into a compsci and degree 99% of what i need is on found easily enough on google and not in the classrooms
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I fail a lot, but I'm really trying and I hope the people that help me realize that. When I tell you that you need to study on the idea of variables more and you fuss at me about it, that doesn't show me that you really care.
@DemCodeLines as you said "You don't care, you just want to get it done".
22 mins ago, by DemCodeLines
First, I frankly don't understand why you are italicizing one word in ever sentence of yours. Second, I don't really care, right now at least, whether or not its a common problem.
That, that reads rude
I said that because I kinda needed to solve that right now (but that obviously didn't happen, as you can see).
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You forgot the next part "I need to get this done.". But yeah, ^ that.
@DemCodeLines why do you need to solve it right now?
Are you working at a job which you aren't qualified for?
IIRC he's in school
00:10
No, I am a high school student trying t build a website that I have been working on for 2 years.
@DemCodeLines "Need to solve this now" reads like 'my time is more important than yours'
@DemCodeLines what's the website? Is it online?
My time personally costs lots of money, dunno bout yall folk
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Well goodness! Why so urgent! I need to provide food for me and my wife!
If you want to take it like that, then oh well. I didn't mean it like that.
@DemCodeLines where's this website that took you 2 years to build?
00:11
Its not online. Its on a home server.
can we see it?
I know you guys think i am lying.
@DemCodeLines so it took you 2 years to build a website, and it's not online?
can you bring it online by sharing the ip?
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Gotta go. See ya.
00:12
For the protocol, (yeah, that's a foreign language) biology-studies.huji.ac.il this took me less than a day as a favor for my dad who needed something quick.
can you upload it to a free hosting server? 000webhost for example ?
Probably the most recent non-work thing I did
what's the name of that virtual drive mounting program
@CCInc daemon tools?
ty
@BenjaminGruenbaum ARE YOU TRYING TO BREAK MY HEAD
00:14
@BenjaminGruenbaum those colors are killing my eyes ! rest is fine
@kaᵠ You are not the target audience :)
@m59 nite
@BenjaminGruenbaum what's the target?
Indian peeple?
@kaᵠ students whoare thinking about studying biology in Israel
00:15
Israelites speek Hebrew?"
@CCInc no, pay attention please :P
Israelis speak Hebrew, yeah
They should call it Israel-speek
not Hebrew
But it's Hebrew...
on that note USA should be called Englishia
00:17
anyone here know sibelius
@kaᵠ EXACTLY
good friend of mine
what do you want with him?
lol
Sometimes I wish people around me were more enthusiastic about building something new the way I am and the way you see people who eventually build products like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Pinterest, Snapchat etc.
00:31
@DemCodeLines a lot of people here are building new stuff enthusiastically...
Yeah, well I was talking about people personally around me.
You're in high school
Your age doesn't matter.
Of course it does, that's a big myth
You are much more likely to be immature if you're younger
Facebook was created by Zuck at 19 years of age. Twitter was created by a guy around 35.
00:33
So it is more likely that you are surrounded by more immature people
Yeah, but I am more mature than most people.
And newgrounds was started by a 13 year old kid, that's not my point
I can tell by the polite and articulate way you ask your question here. -_-
Well, I suggest you don't base your opinion on me based on that.
what do you do when someone is wrong on the internet ?!
@kaᵠ The internet is serious business
00:38
Are you asking me?
@kaᵠ write a strongly worded blog post about my dislike for them, then tweet about it.
yes it is
then share
and email all your friends
and post on places where you have ^like and +1
yes. share to my 3 followers and 1 friend =o(
It's so sad being @cryptic =o(
Do you guys live in US or outside?
US, however I do want to live outside in a tent, but everyone will think I'm a tramp then =o\
00:41
yes
@crypticツ rofl
@crypticツ but you are a cyber-tramp for using that satanic linux and all the stuff that comes with it, admit it
Linux cults O_0
My cult's only form of currency are AOL CDs due to them now being a rare commodity
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@DemCodeLines I sponsor a child in Rwanda, speak about international injustices (slavery, poverty, genocide), sacrifice a lot of my time to encourage people / share the story of Jesus, and I started programming because the money can help me sponsor more children and fund more ministry. All this, and you think I don't care about you. Perspective is a funny thing.
Umm, also, programming totally rules. I don't want to make it sound like it's just about the money (which I don't make any of yet, LOL).
I said you don't care about me?
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You said that I've been mocking you and just here to be mean, that implies not caring, yes. But please, let's not argue. I was trying to make a point...
@m59 please don't let it be the Christian Children's Fund, it was exposed for lying to donors. This one couple was paying to sponsor and child and they decided to go surprise visit her only to find out the girl had been dead for 11yrs before they even started the sponsorship. Where did the money go?
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00:48
It isn't.
World Vision.
People say bad things about them too, but people say bad things about everyone, lol.
I've checked into a lot. They're legit.
I never donate money to charities. I give them actual goods or my time in volunteer work. Corruption always no matter what organization comes up when money gets involved.
money has that effect on people =oP
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World Vision does a good job about accountability. The financial records are public and stuff.
Not to say it's fail-proof, but the evidence is very good.
If anything, the rip-off would be negligible.
80% - 90% of the donation is direct aid. That's a lot better than other organizations.
@DemCodeLines anyway, I do care and I would like to help you, you just may not want my kind of help...nonetheless, if you ask questions, I'll give you direction.
@m59 that's so much that it doesn't make sense...
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Now I've got a question.....
Does it matter if I bind extra params to pdo?
The reason being, I have 3 queries I need to make and they all have common params (but they don't use them all). I'm just adding what I need to $params as I go and binding it, though it has some un-used values.
@kaᵠ hm?
You mean the % they provide in aid?
yeah.. seems too high, how can they manage that NGO so well ?
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01:02
They have a lot of volunteers and staff that doesn't mind low pay.
Also, they are WAY more efficient in method than others.
For example, the child I sponsor, they don't just directly give him all of the money and that's that. They systematically get all of the children in his area sponsored and provide their needs while (and this is the important part) forming self-sustaining systems that reduce the need for foreign aid.
A lot of people don't even touch that, but World Vision is awesome at it.
They have specialists that determine a unique solution for each area.
like water wells / refrigeration / electric power / washing machines
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That's actually why I mentioned that people sometimes give them a bad rap. They want to see the sponsored children living large, whereas they are investing in the future of the community.
@crypticツ looks like you found a cv-gold-mine :P or is that cv-shit-hole ?
unless you are physically following where the money is going and what it is being spent on you have no way of truly knowing if the % is correct. What an organization tells you you have to trust even if it may possibly be false. Just keeping it real =o)
@kaᵠ yeah "billys" going to be asking a lot of cv-worthy questions I can see =oP
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01:08
I realize that, but I have not been given any reason to question it. The community is in fact improving, so I'll take it :)
@m59 did you visit the community?
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I've seen videos and stuff.
Any thoughts on my question, btw?
I'm obsessive....I'm hung up on whether this is a bad practice and can't get over it, lol.
i heard redcross and greenpeace use up 85%-90% of donations, rest goes to the ones in need
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JEEZ. that's fail.
ah videos, provided by the organization? Same thing Christian Children's Fund did, they took photos of and videos of random children, there were even allegations that they made them do it for food and aid. You should go visit the community when you have the time.
@kaᵠ yeah the person in charge of Red Cross is a millionaire, she has a massive mansion
01:12
cool
so rc is wrong, next
@kaᵠ don't get me started with Greenpeace. I am an enviro activist and my groups always tried to stay clear of partnering with them.
hard?
kinda falling asleep here so not really want to start you @crypticツ
when was the last time you slept?
what ideas are there that can still be developed? Almost all of them are already taken. Social network=facebook, media=youtube, question answer=SO and more.
There is like nothing left.
@kaᵠ's uptime is 2 days, 13 hours, 42 minutes and 18 seconds :-p
01:15
@Jocelyn that's fake how did you get that
at least for today it is :P
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@DemCodeLines things are always changing and growing....there will be more revolutions.
But someone has to come up with an idea to build the next big thing right?
I was told in the other room that ideas are not running out. Internet is less than 20 years old.
But I have been trying to think for a while (many months) can't think of some good idea.
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heh, it's not that easy!
what's not that easy? Thinking of an idea?
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01:20
You can only do your best. There's no guarantee that no matter how hard you work that you'll ever invent something like facebook.
If you're doing whatever you're doing for the sake of success, you're doing life wrong.
you just gave me an idea for a site, thanks @m59 =o)
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This is getting dangerously close to a Miley Cyrus song, LOL.
I don't expect to create facebook. the guy who created facebook didn't expect to create what it became. the guy who created instagram didn't expect it to become what it became.
nite @Jocelyn
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01:21
@crypticツ :) Now tell me the right way of storing time in a database :)
j/k I think I found something
@m59 UNIX time
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@crypticツ I meant, do I use php and store the int or let mysql do it?
this is all new to me.
MySQL and PHP both have the ability to manipulate it and MySQL also has the ability to run it's time functions on when querying
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Anyone else think the MySQL docs are terrible?
yup
btw: facebook is no invention, myspace and hi5 were before it and enjoyed quite some traffic
01:24
So why did Facebook get ahead?
management
@m59 you can still store time as the regular YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS format, either way at some point you will be changing it to something else, both formats can be queried by MySQL which is really what you want.
come on, users don't care what the management looks like, they just go to the site if their friends are they and if it looks good.
a great idea can fail with poor management while a stupid one can thrive with exceptional management. but the great idea is the only one that will last
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@crypticツ I'm confused about how the saving actually works. I'm guessing (though the docs are VERY unclear) that I need to get the timestamp via php and store it like I would any other value? or will mysql inject it into that col for me?
01:26
lol
Then what's your opinion on "ideas don't matter. Its all about executions" ??
no opinion
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@DemCodeLines ya know... some times that's very true.
US government is a PRIME example.
a very bad way to store time in a table:
$time = str_rot13(md5(round(microtime(true))));
$query = "INSERT INTO your_table(funny_time) VALUES('$time')";
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01:27
Almost all of our politicians from local to federal are out of their minds and doing crazy unconstitutional things on a regular basis....yet they are still in their positions.
@Jocelyn lol.
wtf @Jocelyn but whyyyyyy ?
@m59 yes use PHP to store the value, I'm not sure if newer MySQL versions can input it themselves. I'm still running 5.1 =oP Store it as int and when inserting the value using PHP use time() then you use MySQL like so FROM_UNIXTIME(time_field,"%Y") for instance to get the year
because of good execution?
lol
@Jocelyn don't use MD5 it's no longer secure for time storage =oP
@Jocelyn when i ran that code i got: Parse error: syntax error, number of functions used is too low in /code/time.php on line 2
01:30
@crypticツ anyway, MD5 being one way, there would be a problem to get the values from the database...
store time in time
@Jocelyn that's why you have a corresponding rainbow table database to lookup all your returned values =o)
@kaᵠ no worry, just add a few more calls to md5 then
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@crypticツ man I hope I'm not being terrible....googling away here and getting nowhere. What is the field type for a unix timestamp? DATE, DATETIME, TIMESTAMP don't seem to be correct....just an INT?
01:32
@m59 ya you want INT(11) UNSIGNED
@m59 you can safely use int
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Ah cool, well at least my intuition was right. I hate those docs.
Why 11?
@m59 timestamp will never have meaningful leading zeroes (or have em)
because that's enough till 2080 or so
@m59 right now the UNIX time is at 10 digits, so you want more
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Heh, right, but is there any advantage to limiting it?
01:33
you can do INT(12) if you think your application will run that long =oP
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It's pretty good.
LOL.
I'm developing this like...forum/chat thing
calling it stackoverflow.
I think it's going to be popular.
@crypticツ 10 years means +315.360.000 on the timestamp... think about it, really wanna have int(11)
@m59 infringement, you need to call it Stack Underflow
LackOverflow
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hhaha
01:35
better
@kaᵠ Hey his app might be running on some legacy system long after the human species has gone extinct =oP
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You mean someone is already using that name for a forum/chat!?
@crypticツ sure.... guess it's time to goto sleep :P
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dernnnnnnnnnn. How about "Google"?
I don't think Google will ever go under, even if it did, every government will give it bail-out money and no citizen will say no to that.
It will have to kept alive for all time, too much would be lost
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01:37
haha
Did you see their April Fool's videos? Awesome stuff.
Their blue theme?
or the youtube being shut off for 10yrs?
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yeah and there was one more, I think....Google Nose.
so... we are good with int 10 for timestamps for another 273 years
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My question is, though, what advantage does it offer to limit the length anyway?
just did the math, so... wanna run tha *ware in 2286 ? really?
@m59 why use more when less is needed
why waste
why allocate extra space that nobody's gonna use for X [time unit] (273.71 years in this case)
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01:41
Ah so it does have a cost.
@m59 you can use it also as a 'basic verification'
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Yep.
so you know if you by mistake sent a 11+ digit number/string/etc
@kaᵠ show us the math or it didn't happen!
(9999999999-current_unix_time)/(60*60*24*365.25)
@crypticツ ^
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01:47
If it takes me like 10 hours to make a persistent login feature, I'm pretty fail, yeah?
That's fully secured.
with no prior research lol.
@m59 take your time, everybody's got a pace
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just so much to learn.
start with google :P
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Yeah, I spent a good while reading articles on it. The article I based mine off of seems the most solid.
I'm pretty proud that it had absolutely no code and I pulled it off.
Simple, though, I guess.
01:50
link? to your article
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The reason it is superior to other examples is because it is using two tokens. 1 stays the same and 1 changes each time the cookie is verified. That means that if someone ever has a valid token1 and invalid token2, then someone has faked the cookie (thus renewed the token2 and invalidated the original user).
It's brilliant.
that site is terribly slow....
user895378
@crypticツ Two things I read today that I know you'll appreciate: (1) the US gov't wants to F us in the A and (2) the FBI wants to make it a DP situation with congress. These bastards ... Why am I ever surprised ...
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It's just a copy of the original article which is no longer available.
@rdlowrey *sighs* I just want to move somewhere else
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I keep hoping I'll wake up and Ron Paul won last election after all.
01:54
@crypticツ and get basically the same treatment ....
some are worse, some are a bit better
user895378
I honestly think the solution is to make TLS encryption as ubiquitous as possible. If everyone knows how to encrypt their communications and understands the value behind it this nonsense won't matter.
user895378
As developers it's important that we both (A) understand encryption and (B) integrate it into our code as much as we can. It's important. Your libraries should make it easy for people to protect themselves.
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/me removes tinfoil hat
@rdlowrey I had to setup Enigmail for my mom just so she could email me in private and I also force her to use Jitsi
it's hard to get people to use encryption if its too hard to understand, it should do everything transparently for them minus the verification of trust.
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One of the frightening things is that there's evidence showing that the gov't more or less forces TLS cert authorities to allow them to transparently Man-in-the-Middle intercept transfers if they want to. The only way you can really be sure someone can't see your data is if you're acting as the signing authority. And then you have to have some way to convey that data to the other party in a secure manner. Hello USB thumb drive handoff :)
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02:03
I've been asking everyone claiming they don't value privacy b/c they have nothing to hide to send me their email passwords. Still waiting.
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Man, I trust the government. You guys are crazy.
Benghazi doesn't even exist. Conspiracy theorists made that up.
LOL.
i made up a new word: karabuzalna
and... that's my cue
gNight from Rio de Janeiro
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night!
I'm heading out too for a few hours or to sleep, later
02:19
is Herr @Gordon here?
 
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04:00
hi i want to restrict to upload audio file Only supports '16kbps 8000HZ mono PCM wav files-
hi i want to upload audio file before i restrict to upload only 16kbps 8000HZ mono PCM wav files
Hi Gud Morng to all...
Hi any one here..
@gayathri you know cakephp
Sorry I know Core PHp...@SibinF
ok thanks yar
HEy i have one Doubt ..hi i want to upload audio file before i restrict to upload only 16kbps 8000HZ mono PCM wav files?...Do u Know?...Can u Help me...@SibinF
05:51
i dont know yar..now where are u? in office?
Ok Thank u...
06:15
@Hiroto am now
@gordon never mind, the complaint about a user that I had was dealt with and now he's suspended
he was posting rants as questions yesterday
I went to look up his userid and noticed the penalty box
At this rate I'm going to be one of those cases where my meta rep is higher than my SO rep. Need... to find... REST questions...
06:36
There is not much I miss from Firefox but the Awesomebar is so much better than Chromes stupid addressbar
the omnibar has it's annoyances, but if you know how to force per-site searching and the syntax for it, it's useful
i tried to find an article I read yesterday at hbr.com. With FF I'd simply type hbr.com and it would show me all the stuff I visited there. but chrome does nothing :(
odd; it should show history
eh, apparently it only shows history from keywords nd you have to go into the history page to search like that
06:59
good mornings
^ this very noob in PHP user needs some guidance what we think about such help-vampire questions.
@Gordon: Please review the user of the question I just pls'd - I also left two flags specifically.
07:22
hi gud afternoon...
hi i need one help.i want to restrict to upload audio file -Only supports '16kbps 8000HZ mono PCM wav files-
@hakre he posted the file as a comment but it pointed to an .exe
@Gordon yes because that downloader site offered their own downloader when the default checkbox for that feature was not unchecked.
but in any case, he did not provide the code in question, IMHO those users should be sanctionized, especially if they have that much help-vampire attitude.
there are at least three follow-up questions after the user got begged the script that is probided in the answer.
@hakre they do get sanctioned. if they ask low quality questions repeatedly they are barred from asking
07:27
@Gordon yes with that user account :)
@hakre about this flag: stackoverflow.com/questions/16457715/…. I leave it to the other mods to handle it, but we usually dont step in for the reasons you give.
Yes that can righfully be, I don't want to play Blockwart either, it's more the low quality this user puts into the site. Also I don't like the idea he motives others to join him here on site. I mean if you're that dumb, you deserve the flag somehow.
just saying in case you get a declined flag there
08:07
@Gordon Yes I know. Even for such problems this is not moderated: stackoverflow.com/a/16340457/367456
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Q: How does MySQL blob actually work?

TemporaryNickNameThis is a question driven by curiosity. I am learning Oracle database and Oracle database handles Blob data in a separate tablespace, which I believe reduces overhead while trying to read large Blob data. I am wondering how MySQL handles Blob? I am actually planning to start a project and I wish ...

@hakre I am not a lawyer. We had one case recently where answers like that were deleted for plagiarism. IMO, this is not plagiarism though because the source is clearly mentioned. I dont know how that works for the copyright though. It was plagiarism before you added the note though.
@hakre let's build some tool that allows us automatically fetch all answers of a user, throw them against the Google API and return a match percentage
08:26
Yes the site can not offer legal help here for users nor actually take care: The original author must make this visible to the site-owner (not the moderators) at least I think. I sometimes still find it worth to flag them for another reason: If users are just taking stuff over and present it as their answer. Just a link given as source is not enough normally, you need to make visible this is a quote (and not yours).
And for copyright you need to ask if you are allowed to re-license it under the CC-Wiki license we use on this website ;) - So making things at least visible as a quote does have some benefits for the user as well as the internet documents these things for a long-time.
@hakre afaik SO does not have to make sure users dont infringe on copyrights. but if we receive a takedown notice, we take down (and likely suspend the user)
@Gordon that's what I mean. Original author needs to tell the site-owner (normally a DMCA takedown notice).
@hakre then dont use so many words to express it :P
Well actually that depends. If the copyright of a non US-author is violated, that author is not obliged to take the DMCA route.
if you find plagiarised content, just flag the answer with a link to the content and let us handle the rest. dont bother commenting on the answer or editing it.
08:51
any netbeans experts here?
Gooood morning everyone
morning
here its evening...
@udaysagar You do not need an expert to use netbeans
bytheway, yes temporary
your name is awesome!
08:54
thanks, I hear that often
when i run a php file
sorry, when i debug
Morning @crypticツ :)
the url its taking is localhost/www/task3.php
08:55
Is it late of early for you?
i want the url to be localhost:90/task3.php
got me?
temporary?
4:56am =oP have not slept yet, was watching a movie, now listening to music.
what movie?
uh huh, I got it
08:58
@crypticツ sounds a bit like Falling Down
Temporary, I want the Permanent answer. :-)
@udaysagar what else do you want?
@Gordon I don't think I have seen that, but the movie was good.

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