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2:00 PM
That'd be 2000 dollars, thanks
xD
 
hahahahahaha
well, I'm keeping the old name then. hahahaha
 
;D
Use the puns, brings a smirk to people from now and then
 
Sunsetting API Authentication via Query Parameters, and the OAuth Applications API ・ API Requests has Under Maintenance
 
@ln-s RasPHPberry?
I wonder if I can rename the packages in packagist as well
 
2:04 PM
All issues have been resolved!
Sunsetting API Authentication via Query Parameters, and the OAuth Applications API ・ API Requests has Under Maintenance
 
Ha! And I just renewed by IntelliJ license 2 weeks ago.
 
@FlávioHeleno don't think it should be a big deal
 
:) my employer bought me a license just a week before I got an account
which is good really, using separate licenses for different projects
 
2:18 PM
that's fancy :) I've tried to have a definitive answer for "is it ok to use personal license for progesionnal work" and while Jetbrains themselves seem to say time and again that it is ok, employers seem to never be really ok with it
... I've simply done it, because I'm evil
also it allowed me to flex my full all-product subscription time and again
 
@Ekin When I first moved there 8 years ago the blue dollar was worth ~$12 ARS. Could you imagine having $100k just 8 years ago, and now only having $8k :s
 
@cmb github.com/php/doc-en/pull/578 - The bots are still waiting on you by name here.
 
In ~2001 it was 1 to 1 with the USD, so you could have had saved up $150k 20 years ago and now have just $1k. I can't imagine that
 
it's just horrifying... and sad
 
But I would hope if you were to have that much money that someone would buy dollars or gold anyways.
Yeah it really is
 
2:24 PM
It is
 
@ln-s As a foreigner earning USD it made me feel really off hearing other foreigners talk about how far their dollar goes as if it was a good thing
 
Well it's good for them
 
I donno I don't think it's good for anyone, sure your dollar goes a little bit further but I still refuse to see it as a good thing for anyone
I would rather my money not go further and people be able to afford to live :P
 
@ln-s Pardon? You mean that, money being depreciated is good for them?
oh wait, nvm. foreigners
 
Of course
 
2:32 PM
@FélixGagnon-Grenier They mean that it's good for foreigners
 
yeah read that contrarywise and was a bit shook
but indeed, with the right words in order I understand
 
Surprisingly keeping the Renminbi valued low is an economic strategy of China interestingly enough
And they're doing well with it
 
Foreigners are not to be blamed, but the politics which make that happen
 
I think foreigners help the people if anything by bringing dollars to the black market but still doesn't feel right celebrating it
 
Yeah
On the other hands, they spend their money here so
it feeds people
but this is one of those subjects were the whole conversation ends up talking about hitler
 
2:38 PM
Make PHP-FPM's clear_env yes by default ・ *Configuration Issues ・ #81013
 
@Crell the license from having php.net account is strictly for non-commercial use, though
 
Does it count as non-commercial if I'm getting paid to work on OSS?
 
lol
contradictions!
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
@Crell I'd try it
huh. imagine jetbrains spying on us and tagging our commits with the specific software fingerprints we used, and then knowing we've been naughty
 
2:54 PM
 
that was tense
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier Fucking skynet
 
@NikiC Interesting. There must be a check on EG(exception) after a method handler, which is why zend_rethrow_exception isn't needed if the fiber throws after start/resume/throw? Also, should this check be !EG(current_execute_data) instead of checking against EG(flags)?
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier If you like synthwave youtube.com/watch?v=F7Qx7R655LI youtube.com/watch?v=rPbrR6b6ZYs
 
@Trowski maybe...
 
3:05 PM
@ln-s oh yeah thx
... I kinda have to work, but reading internals book is way funnier.
 
Man bandersnatch is such a mental fuck up, I love it
 
Halfway through I was like, "Well, this is a fun concept, but it seems played out."

Second half: Hold my beer.
 
I loved it
It reminded me when I was a kid reading a pick your own adventure books
@Sara did you read those too ?
 
y'all stopped reading those?
 
But did you actually roll the dice for the battles?
 
3:13 PM
No no ...
 
most of the times
 
;D
 
It was an if else statement on my books
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier sometimes the php-src source is also funny
 
oh gods lol
 
3:14 PM
lol
 
dayum that line hasn't changed in 6 years
 
Update it with this link
 
haha
 
lol
 
3:17 PM
without watching who is the commiter
I can say with all confidence
that was written by @Sara
 
seems like it's zeev's fault github.com/php/php-src/blame/…
18 years ago
 
Pun extraordinaire meister
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier I was talking about the andale comment, not the ketchup comment
In which I guessed it was sara
 
@ln-s oh I see
 
3:23 PM
@FélixGagnon-Grenier I have been wanting to read that book, the internals book
BUT
I remember sara said it's awfully outdated
 
be like a pro, and directly jump to the sections that seem of interest to you :)
 
I suppose one could study it for the version it was written and see how the code has evolved ...
Writing that kind of material seems like something really hard to keep up
 
I mean, I really have no idea about it, but my gut feeling is anything we can learn from the book will be worth the time, if only to understand the system
 
Ping a core dev, they know better
 
IMHO the book should be about the core concepts (eg. the memory management system) and then code samples could be used instead to show how to do things and then keeping the code sample working throughout versions
 
3:27 PM
Rust have a very nice feature: code samples in (some specific) docblocks are executed when running tests
this makes that breaking changes that also break the doc appear more rapidly
 
that sounds cool
 
Rust is cool, yes :P
 
I studied it for a while..decided to stay in PHP :-)
 
> case IS_ARRAY:
php_printf("ARRAY: hashtable=%p\n", Z_ARRVAL_P(zv_ptr));
break;
Z_ARRIVAL_P
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier I've considered doing something like this for PHP but I never got around to it. I think it's a really neat feature though and will probably look at actually implementing it sooner or later.
 
3:37 PM
:)
 
@Trowski Maybe if you throw while destroying a fiber while destroying a fiber during shutdown? Then the inner one should throw into the outer instead of just erroring?
 
@CharlesSprayberry do ping if ever you get to doing it. Not sure I could help without getting in the way, but at least I'll be able to support you through drinking beer to your good health
 
@NikiC Yes, I was just about to commit exactly that sort of test. :)
Checking EG(current_execute_data) then throws into the next fiber and only triggers a fatal if the top-level fiber throws.
That is, the fiber called from {main}.
 
I blame finally blocks :P
 
3:44 PM
yo where's @pcrov at
@ln-s in case you don't know them, maybe it's in your tastes! youtube.com/watch?v=qApOLaLYZb0
 
@ln-s Yeah. They taught me depth-first tree traversal
It was, in fact, not me.
1/ I try not to be quite so openly racist.
2/ My commenting style is actually fairly boring. I save my jokes for wider audiences.
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier I do know them
@Sara Would not say Andale is racist tho, but I also know there's a speedy gonzalez debate about the latest space jam movie so there is that too
 
4:06 PM
@beberlei What do you think of bugs.php.net/79701, should setAttribute and setIdAttribute be throwing if the ID conflicts with an existing ID?
 
@Sara, how did you first get involved in php-src, if you don't mind me asking?
 
I guess setAttribute can return false, but setIdAttribute returns void.
 
4:21 PM
> We usually test 32-bit
using -m32 from an x86-64 host, probably nobody tried using an
actual 32-bit host.
OH, so that's how you are meant to test 32bit
 
cmb
@Trowski well, what would happen if a doc with duplicate IDs is loaded?
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier I like the idea of "a herd of fibers"
 
haha :) makes me realize I've never used "herd" in a variable name, and that is a loss
 
$listenSocketHerd = [];
 
$herd = getConnectionPool()
damnit just barely after :P
 
4:26 PM
Aren't multiple fibers working together called a sweater?
7
 
$cows = new Herd<Cow>();
 
hrmmm... what would you call somebody who wrangled a herd of fibers?
 
@Crell magnificent work
interleaving fibers = knitting?
 
For some reason this reminds me of Weezer "Undone"
 
knitter should replace manager
 
4:28 PM
if you want to corrupt my program...
 
@cmb What happens now? Does it overwrite existing IDs?
 
I was using PHP already at a University (staff, not student). I was BORED OUT OF MY FUCKING MIND because that's what state funded universities do to your will to live, so I spent a lot of time in IRC helping people with stuff on the PHP channel (among others).

Someone asked if the log() function could handle other bases, and I pointed out that math already did that for them `function logInBase($num, $bas) { return log($num) / log($base); }`

Then I thought, hold a tick, that should be easy to add to the function. So I looked at the source code, found the log() function's implementation.
6
 
Based on JS, the correct behavior actually is that the remaining element with the ID should be returned. That seems like a libxml issue again.
 
cmb
@Trowski it keeps duplicates: 3v4l.org/aehBN
 
@ln-s I would say it plays on racial stereotypes, and that makes it racist, but I'm not the impacted demographic (and neither are you as it's directed at Mexicans specifically, not all latinos), so I'm going to try to argue that point too hard, but I am going to personally avoid it as it seems likely to cause offense.
 
4:35 PM
@Sara Hilarious tales of the old days...
 
cmb
libxml caches the IDs; I think we may need to update that cache all the time
 
@cmb Well, in that case you haven't specified that "id" is the ID attribute.
 
That should have read "...I'm NOT going to try to argue that point too hard, ..."
 
cmb
right; too much used to HTML :)
 
@Sara It's a perception thing so it's not arguable
 
4:40 PM
attempting to "improve" some code, but I'm not sure if this effort is futile: there are a couple of conditionals that do "truthy" checks like if ($id) { /* do stuff */ } or if ($exists) { /* do stuff */ }. To my knowledge, the former could be changed to if ($id !== 0) { /* do stuff */ } and the latter could maybe be changed to if ($exists === false) { /* do stuff */ } but I'm thinking of leaving it as-is...
 
@Sara sportbible.com/news/… the reason why I said it's a perception thing
 
I'd rather do specific checks (as long as it doesn't break stuff) because if we ever decide to use strict_types, I think specifying the check in the conditional will aid that transition?
(also those conditionals are multi-line, but I put it all on one line to maintain markdown formatting)
 
@Sara ha, that's a pretty neat start :) thanks fo writing that up
hey joe
 
4:44 PM
\o
 
@ln-s I'm not sure the guy being PAID to BE the character defending it necessarily is the strongest argument for it not being racist.
 
Also... yeah... had forgotten about "Slowpoke Rodriguez" that character is SOOOOOOOPER problematic.
At least's Speedy can be viewed through a positive lens. Slowpoke is just... woof.
 
Big woof.
 
I also love how people are so eager to respond to "I wouldn't say that." with "Oh, so it's SJW Cancel Culture then?"

Like... No, bitch. It's *I* don't think that's a good look, and *I* want no part of it.
 
4:48 PM
wow, the urge to woof, even though I don't know what we're woofing at really is overwhelming
I think I understand dogs
 
hahahaha
And Arsenio Hall.
 
... chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/11?m=52134333#52134333 semi-relevant for "woof" ... dodges tomatoes from @Ekin
 
But yes, topic change. I get my second jab today.
Microchip goes online.
 
I get mine Saturdaaaay
 
So that's why my cell reception improved.
 
4:50 PM
Jab ??
 
/me woofs, Root follows
 
covid vaccine :P
 
@ln-s Vaccine shot
 
COVID vaccine injection
 
Wonder were does JAB comes from
 
4:51 PM
jab... needle
 
@Crell Has it affected your girlfriend's periods yet?
 
jab a needle in the arm
 
"Jab" is a term, mostly used by English speakers in Europe, to mean any type of injection, but usually a vaccine or innoculation
 
I suppose it has something to do with heroin addiction
Oh ok
 
@Tiffany ...then go get a vaccine
 
4:51 PM
@Trowski No, she had it months ago and no side effects after the first few hours.
 
Like a slang term
 
Yes, slang.
 
slang, colloquialism if you want to be formal :P
 
Like puff is for weed
 
@DaveRandom my appointment is Saturday
 
4:52 PM
there's at least two+ months until I get mines... am in the very last group, just before 'those who missed their appt'
 
Nah, puff lives by the sea.
 
trying to remember if they ever use the word "jab" when I used to donate blood, maybe when they were about to start the blood draw
 
I've actually been to Honalee. Nice enough, but it's not my first choice in that area.
 
@Crell No no, has you having the vaccine affected it? Context: usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/04/27/…
 
I thought that was a van down by the river
 
4:53 PM
was that a magic dragon reference?
 
It was.
 
wow, have some internet points
 
@Crell Sarcasm doesn't work well if the other person doesn't understand the context I guess :P
 
@Trowski Oh good grief...
 
/me brings you strings and sailing wax, and other fancy stuff.
 
4:55 PM
I'm getting a little anxious, I see people my sort of age, mostly american or uk, getting jabs, and I don't even know where ours is supposed to come from ...
 
@Crell Some private school in Florida (where else?) banned their staff from getting vaccinated, listing that as one of the reasons.
Can't find the article at the moment though…
 
Pop quiz. How am I getting an "Array to string conversion" error on this line?

$optionDiff = array_diff_assoc($newTableOptions, $fromTable->getOptions());

array_diff_assoc() wants two arrays. If it was giving me a string to array error, sure, I'd get that, but array to string?
 
we figured we'd get a letter or something by now ...
 
@Trowski I am entirely serious that we should just wall off (socially or physically) regions where people refuse to get vaccinated, and not let them out until an individual agrees to be vaccinated. I have long since run out of fucks.
 
@JoeWatkins Have you called your clinic to ask for it?
 
4:56 PM
@Crell On of the elements within your array is also an array
 
@Trowski we don't really have one, we have private insurance here (we have too have it), we have a list of providers we can potentially ring, but there's no general practitioner assigned to us like in the uk (and so I gather, elsewhere)
 
@Crell Now that Pfizer's vaccine is about to be approved for 12+, I'm wondering if public schools will require it and what the shitstorm would be like if they did.
 
@Girgias Ooo, good thinking. Most array functions wouldn't care, but I guess diff_assoc wants to compare the values as strings?
 
Since they don't require other vaccines to attend public school… /sarcasm
 
@Crell Yeah, I think there is maybe a flag to change the comparison to int, but that's the general gist :)
 
4:59 PM
Not on the function, it seems, so I have to solve it in place. Hm.
 
@JoeWatkins The US made it really easy. Basically any medical facility can administer vaccines, and we don't have to fuss with insurance because the federal gov't picks up the tab.
 
it's kinda scary you have to specify the gov't is paying for the vaccines.
 
@JoeWatkins Wfaaahhhh You can BE assured... fwah that when it comes, it will be the BEST, British made vaccine.
 
@JoeWatkins Perhaps try calling any clinic near you? Obviously I know nothing of the situation in Spain, but I assume they want people vaccinated as quickly as possible.
 
@Sara hehehe
 
5:00 PM
@FélixGagnon-Grenier Only say that because I have no idea what the situation is like elsewhere.
 
@Trowski yeah I think we'll just start at the top of the list of potential providers
 
@Trowski He lives on a small island off the coast of England where it's still 1955. They literally don't have vaccines of any kind yet.
 
@Sara he lives in spain now :)
 
Or is that in reference to the fact that the gov't doesn't pay for shit for healthcare normally? lol
 
OH!
I hadn't heard.
 
5:01 PM
@Trowski the latter :)
 
Spains epic mismanagement is of an entirely different sort.
 
like, of course it's a nice thing, and I'm glad y'all don't have to fuss with the insurances companies. it's sad that it's even an issue.
 
Maybe if you drive to Portugal they'll take pity on you.
 
I been here for years now, it's home ...
haha, not allowed out after 10pm though ...
 
Portugal has been keeping out invaders from Spain for centuries...
 
5:02 PM
btw, how fucked is Gibralter right now? Because I'm assuming that they are epic, proper fucked.
 
hey has people been throwing aliens in the conspiracy theories? dunno something like keeping people out of the streets so they can move big ass ships over the cities unnoticed or something
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier I forget sometimes that people in other countries can go in a hospital and not have some jackass ask for an insurance card first.
 
@Sara hot topic here right now, Spaniards are pissed, they are sick of every survey and poll only including the opinions of English people living in Gibraltar, who of course want it to remain british ...
but it isn't british, I've seen it, it's definitely part of spain ... the british need to give it back, and be ashamed that they didn't give it back much much earlier, it's totally indefensible ...
 
Agreed.
Though I mostly meant the "coping with COVID" part. Trade with EU is probably fucked by Brexit, and COVID is making alternate options worse.
 
well it's not even counted in our numbers I don't think, it'll be part of uk stats, it's difficult to know what's going on there really ...
 
5:13 PM
Looks like about 12% of Gibralter caught COVID and it was basically all at once over this past winter.
About 0.3% mortality among those who caught it
Sorry, 0.03%
 
presumably that's because it's quite a closed community, it presumably didn't even get there until Boris' "lol fuck you" lockdown interlude in the autumn
 
Compare that to England at:... 7% having caught it and 3% mortality
 
cmb
@Trowski thanks! Pretty broken. WHATWG has removed Element.setIdAttribute. Maybe we should follow suit?
 
Yeah. I assume one asshole fucked a passing cruiseship and spread it to everyone at once.
Anyway... off to clinic
 
possibly, though I think there is also a bit of wannabe nouveau rich there so it may just be some asshole decided to take their entry-level private jet and some red-faced sweaty friends on holiday
 
5:18 PM
@cmb Probably, the ID attribute should be given in the DTD from my understanding, not dynamically settable.
 
cmb
Possibly for those caching reasons.
 
Potentially, yes. Now we're messing with API though, so I guess that means PHP 9 :P
Deprecating for 8.1 makes sense. /cc @beberlei
 
cmb
@Trowski +1 (and if we deprecate, fixing related bugs is less important)
 
5:41 PM
in PHP there is a very real danger that by reporting a bug in some obscure feature you like but isn't quite right, you are actually just highlighting that it shouldn't even exist
 
the same thing happens when updating the manual - "Huh, what does this undocumented setting do? OMG, please nobody ever use that!"
 
Where does one file bugs for the PHPStorm PHP EA plugin?
 
@Trowski @cmb there is a bunch of stuff in latest DOM standard remoed that we still have, but nobody uses, so we could really look into deprecating
 
Merci bien!
 
5:55 PM
@Sara i believe europe made a great decision by sharing the vaccine purchases, it did cost us 3 month, but will probably contribute to saving the union in the long term, and now it seems we'all vaccinate faster than everyone else. looking at the numbers it looks almost every eu country manages 1% populatoin per day.
 
~32M ppl vaccinated in BR with at least one dose and ~17M ppl with both..less than 8% of the population
 
6:19 PM
off-topic, but this is nifty, NOAA offers an API for requesting weather: weather-gov.github.io/api/general-faqs
 
I got mine this morning. Haven't died or turned into a mutant yet.
I did feel a need to visit the microsoft store, but I doubt it's related
 
6:57 PM
@JoeWatkins you up for a pcov debugging question. I am losing my mind here. Maybe you instantly say "yes it's a bug or yes you are wrong"
 
sure
 
In my application I have pcov enabled on my local env. I am doing a specific request to my application (which parses the output of an xhprof profile, basically a long ass array in a php file). However my bootstrap file is being hit over and over until it runs out of the time limit (I assume)
If I remove pcov it acts correctly (bootstrap is only hit once as it is only a single request)
This is with only pcov enabled (no xhprof nor xdebug nor opcache enabled)
It's like it keeps going to to the very top (bottom?) of the stack and keep doing the same thing
 
can I access the machine where this happens ?
 
Sure you can log into my machine, but it is windows
And I do not have much in terms of debugging set up
 
dude, I don't even know how to windows ....
 
7:03 PM
teamviewer to the rescue?
 
I know :P
 
have you tried reproducing it on a proper operating system ?
 
Nope can't say I have
Don't have temple OS installed at the moment
 
is it big or secret application ?
 
Yes to both. Somewhat biggish and the company's
 
7:05 PM
right, nice and easy ...
 
:P
Let me try to make it super tiny and see if it still breaks
 
got vscode ?
 
Nope. I can start the download though just in case and maybe we will be able to run it next week
Probably not a bad idea anyway
I will do some downloading and installing
 
you might be better to download proper visual studio for c/c++
vscode can use the vstudio debugger, or gdb with mingw/cygwin
 
vc19?
Or whatever that latest thing is called
 
7:07 PM
version of php ?
 
8.0.3
 
Visual Studio 2019, vs16
no fucking idea what these numbers mean, parroting ...
 
I'm installing something. Will let you know once it actually is done. And thanks
 
ping when you get the thing setup and I'll come look ... it'll probably be slow and painful to look, I haven't even used that debugger in forever ... oh and get hold of debug symbols for php ...
 
Will do. Gracias
 
7:10 PM
de nada
 
hey @JoeWatkins is there some way to help maintaining parallel or even support you in maintaining it?
 
@JoeWatkins is there a reason btw we cannot disable pcov for certain sapis?
 
I'm pretty convinced there's no point developing it, I just can't imagine a future where php has threads and fibers and the interactions between those things are not both/either impossible for most people to understand, and/or not able to take advantage of the hardware ... there's no point in an implementation of threads that don't take advantage of the hardware ...
@PeeHaa you can have different ini for different sapis, use that mechanism
 
Yeah I should do that while vstudio is installing
 
@JoeWatkins I like parallel's approach way more than fibers, honestly..
 
7:17 PM
fibers are a thing now, php chose it's poison ... and it's single threaded and crap ...
there are other possible solutions to threading code than exposing an api to the user at all, and that's my current thinking/what I'm playing with ... but that's no to say anything will ever come of it ...
8.1+ comes with a very nice cfg built in ... we could thread code automatically, but it's complicated and I been thinking about it for about 2 days ... so I dunno ... but an API, where the user decides, is basically not doable now ...
 
@JoeWatkins how would you automatically thread code?
 
I've been a faithful user of pthreads/parallel since php 5.6, would be sad to see your brilliant code being thrown away like that
 
@bwoebi this is obviously highly contrived example, but illustrative
<?php
function () {
    $a = expensiveOperation();
    $b = expensiveOperation();

    return $a + $b;
}
?>
if you can determine that the expensiveOperation is pure, independent, or whatever the right technical term is, you can thread it ...
 
yep. And then there's the hard task of determining whether it's worthwhile … could be probably tracked as part of jit…
 
yeah, but it would be just switching not spawning threads, we'd operate from a pool of available threads ...
 
7:24 PM
@JoeWatkins yeah everything else would be totally inefficient. :-D
 
but it's workable though, right ?
 
but that's completely orthogonal to fibers - in fact it could even cooperate with fibers, your expensive operation being tracked like a "fiber yield" and then resume on the joining point
 
well yeah, this is to co-exist with fibers ...
 
Should this be throwing Error or ReflectionException?
 
am I too naive to not seeing a reason why fibers would be a preferred approach over actual threads for real parallel processing?
 
7:28 PM
@JoeWatkins but I think there should still be an explicit API for people who want to micro-manage what gets threaded and what not (i.e. after profiling)
 
fibers are not useful for parallel anything ...
 
that's what I think too
 
@bwoebi maybe we can abuse attributes to hand over control ...
 
@Trowski Error - as in it is a programmer error, not a runtime issue
 
it would actually be quite a nice use of attributes, the first one I like the thought of ...
although no attributes on bb's
but some control ...
 
7:32 PM
@JoeWatkins I cannot imagine how that would play out of the top of my head, whether I'd be happy with it … would need to play with that thing then
 
yeah me neither, it's all a bit fuzzy ...
 
The existing model you have can play nice with fibers if rather than having your own "event-loop" for channels there was a socket that could be polled by a general purpose event loop.
 
that's not the problem, the problem is that channels are backed by primitives not designed to be used in fibers, only threads ... that is not a small problem ...
 
Can you point me to that in the code?
 
solving the problem does not make the world better, it makes it more complicated ... I'm perfectly aware that there are people in this room that would have no problem using whatever we design in this room ... however, I don't think the average programmer will be able to figure out the interactions between these things ...
 
7:37 PM
I agree there, and think we could hide the complexity under something like goroutines
Provide a channel for communication, no more.
 
that is what a channel is for
 
That's sort of what amphp/parallel implements right now, albeit with terrible serialization because I have no choice.
If ext-parallel provided a pollable socket for it's channels, it could be used in conjunction with fibers. Don't do any of the actual polling in ext-parallel at all, push that to user code.
 
the easiest api to understand, is no api at all ... the only way to have no api at all, is have the language do it, and at this point it seems the only way forward ... all things considered ... even though what I describe is complicated, I think it's still less complicated than what we would end up with if we merged anything like parallel into core ... achieving no api at all would be perfection ...
 
No API would be perfection yes, if that's achievable.
 
I think that it is
 
7:42 PM
If we could push any blocking or expensive task to a thread that would be amazing.
 
@FlávioHeleno Fibers are better for I/O bound problems, as the issue is not the CPU being hogged, OS threads are needed for CPU intensive tasks, something a Fiber is utterly useless
 
@Girgias thank you, that clears up..
 
@Sara is it true that you added support for goto during a conference keynote while the speaker was lamenting over the lack of goto support in PHP?
 
anyway, we're talking php9, I can't do this in a day ... and it'll be my last attempt, I got nothing left, no other possibilities ... if we can't do this, we're stuck on one core ...
 
7:58 PM
hopefully I'll be able to contribute to php9 :-D
 
@Tiffany It's true that I did the first pass of goto, but not related to any speaker's laments. The version we got was a rewrite by.... I want to say Dmitry? Maybe stas?
 

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