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3:01 PM
Wow that's great for developers!
@Kalle It makes your job so much easier
xD
 
@ln-s Yeah man, it made xdebug totally redundant
 
I had a discussion recently about adding opcache reset when we deployed
Why do I even have to explain such a thing
No but we already delete the cached files! So we don't need it!
sigh
Friday while drinking beer, everything suddenly explodes in production, WHAT HAPPEN!! OMG
It was working what happennnnnn omgggggg
 
Sounds awfully similar to some of the things I have overheard at work
(Except we drink all the time here in Finland)
 
hahaha
 
Some of the greatest business meetings are held in saunas you know!
 
3:07 PM
Yeah, that's a big thing there and in Estonia if I remember correctly
Sounds nice
 
The local burger king down in central even have its own sauna and I am yet to be invited to the Microsoft one, I hear it is very exclusive
 
So you are saying finnish saunas are the real life equivalent of club house ? :D
lol
 
Pretty much yeah, I thought it was a meme when I moved here but it is actually true
 
3:24 PM
a sauna in a burger king? what next, a bar in a McDonalds?
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier well you can get beer in there, naturally :>
 
... so how do we apply to live there?
 
hahaha
 
The interview for my first job over here, was literally a drinking test out at a couple of local bars in Helsinki, so I guess it is just about finding a company and apply for them to fly you out. That night I found out it was common to go to a karaoke bar and sing sad finnish songs while you can barely stand
I mean this country has it all
 
Personally I will never understand booze culture
But I don't drink so
 
3:37 PM
@Kalle this sounds like litteral paradise
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier Look up Kalsarikännit
 
Sounds like making up a excuse for a lack of hot weather
:D
 
@ln-s I think that is a nordic thing (I'm danish btw), it is very common thing here, although I got to admit in Finland it is a bit of an extreme
 
Dang
I'm just amazed that is not frowned upon, different cultures I suppose
 
3:41 PM
In Denmark you can pretty much buy any kind of booze in your local supermarket even, whereas in all the other nordics you need to go to a specific government controlled store for such
 
Isn't germany the same as denmark in that regard ?
 
There's heresay that in Europe, you can drink in the streets, and that if by 10PM on friday night you don't people actually judge you.
 
Yeah I know that from personal experience
 
Here, we get 400$ fine if we have a beer in hand on your patio
I mean, we still do it, but we need to hide and stuff
 
You don;t drink whaaaaaaaat you have to drink
Where is here Felix ?
 
3:43 PM
Québec
 
Ahhh
 
And to add on top of that, in Denmark it is legal at any age at an time of the day to drink in public unless there is a public drinking restriction (which is rare), there was no law about age of consumption, only purchasing at the time I lived there
 
wow
 
I can agree with a society where people are held responsible for their drinking :P
 
3:44 PM
But let's be real, no one is gonna let a 12 year old drink a beer in public anyway, at least we are reasonable beings :p
 
Woah, hot take there...

<ln -s> Isn't germany the same as denmark
 
In that regard
I clarified @Sara
lol
 
Yeah not the best comparison
@Sara Don't Jerry Springerize the room
xD
 
Fun fact, Springer used to be a mayor of the city I live in.
 
3:48 PM
Really ? Did he promoted public fights too ?
 
Actually, I'm wrong. He was mayor of Cinci, not Chicago
 
You are the margerine of evil
 
@Sara Well there is a part in Germany in which Danish people live.
 
4:07 PM
IF ONLY WE HAD LISTENED TO THIS GUY! HE WARNED US DOOM WAS COMING! phpc.social/@pollita/105917956921503511
4
 
lol what a nut job
 
the way we handle SQL injections on our site: DNA fingerprinting.
 
Hi!
A little question in mater of permissions. Permissions should be decoupled each other on a page? Lets say I have a CRUD pattern to each controller, each method with permissions. What is the right way to solve the following:
user have access to orders.create. By selecting a customer, an ajax request is made for customers.show. Without permissions on customers.show, page is broken....
If I would be Admin, it would be hard to assign permissions without knowing dependencies
or impacts of disabling one permission
 
4:27 PM
@Sara holy shit this is... this is a whole lot to take in wow. What a legend.
 
4:38 PM
So much of the security@ list is just irrelevant garbage*, but it helps relieve the annoyance to anonymize and shame.

* Not yesterday, obviously. Yesterday the list was srs bznz.
 
:P
glad you chose to share
 
@Sara Another good bookmark of the many hilarious mails and messages we have gotten over the years, I'm sure you have also seen many of the great messages we have gotten on php-webmaster@ in the past :')
 
Also, the PHP git repo right now: phpc.social/@pollita/105845981519804440
@Kalle I can't keep up with webmaster@, so I don't try.
 
@Sara I have an email thread from 2014 where we had a guy that wanted a sales call that I think bjori ended up calling him as a troll
 
hahaha
Should have recorded the call.
 
4:53 PM
This one too
 
It's the $1.49 in processing fees that got me
 
LOL
 
This one is the closest along those lines I have handy. No active trolling done though: phpc.social/@pollita/105856197029586056
One of the more annoying ones to anonymize.
 
What a nice website name
 
The kindly sir always gets me
"Kindly" ok no, rudely
xD
 
5:02 PM
I think we need some kind of app, screen reader that runs an AI model over the content of an email and replaces such links with an actual honest description, effectively putting $namedrop in place of a namedrop, etc.
 
I would do an AI which adds the words kindly and sir everywhere
oh and "please"
 
So it's been an exciting 24 hours, I see...
 
@Crell We accidentally ejected Rasmus out an airlock
 
I hate it when that happens.
Hm, this is odd. externals.io has the thread on moving the Git repos, but... I didn't get them in my inbox.
Oh! It's on the docs list, not internals. Oddsfish.
 
5:15 PM
it's on both
That might be why
 
Ah ha! Yeah, OK, my mail filters don't like that.
 
I hadn't heard of mastodon, and thanks to the links I've seen it for the first time. kinda curious, I clicked on the what is mastodon link and landed in a localized page with gender-neutral writing that could have been written by actual french-speaking people. Priceless. This is so far the best and easiest introduction to a website I've ever experienced.
I find this very nice because in French, gender-neutral is much more complicated than in English, we can't resort to singular they-ish structures, we need to actually change many words to keep it neutral.
 
@cmb FWIW, I'm working on these datetime issues at the moment
 
cmb
ta :)
 
Going through the current tests first, which aren't all... correct.
 
5:23 PM
@FélixGagnon-Grenier It's like 1000 micro-twitters wearing a trenchcoat.
 
Oh, and occaisionally one of the micro-twitters gets a case of Nazis and is kicked out of the coat.
 
decentralized twitters in a trenchcoat is about the best image I've heard in many days
 
I've been linking to the phpc.social instance (run by Ben Ramsey btw), but I'm actually most active on mastodon.technology.
@FélixGagnon-Grenier I'm actually picturing a stylized cartoonish image in the style of Scott Johnson right now.
 
Taking a reference to $_SERVER hides it's values from phpinfo() ・ Scripting Engine problem ・ #80915
 
5:34 PM
closes as "can't verify" because phpinfo() is blocked on 3v4l.org ;)
 
who the fuck writes a script that uses phpinfo() that isn't just <?php phpinfo();
 
true
though if it's real, that's a pretty WTF bug
 
i dunno superglobals are magical, lazy initialisaton and shit and I have never looked at how phpinfo() works
 
All my variables are globals... makes them easier to use.
...kidding.
 
5:52 PM
I'm guessing it's not real due to a misunderstanding of how $_SERVER works.
phpinfo() populates from the ACTUAL underlying server data storage, not from the PHP vars. The PHP vars are a view into that data, so trying to change a value in $_SERVER (which is probably happening here as evidenced by taking it by reference) will not result in the change showing in phpinfo().
Works as expected.
 
still useless then? excellent
 
@Sara Try this: php -r '$foo =& $_SERVER; phpinfo(INFO_VARIABLES);'
Taking a reference of $_SERVER changes the output of phpinfo.
 
Oh, just the act of taking the ref. That's funky.
That I'm willing to describe as a bug, though a funky one.
IMO we should prohibit taking ref of superglobals entirely, but I know that'll fail because sites already abuse them.
 
looks like the bug dates to 7.0
 
That'd make sense with the zval changes.
 
6:02 PM
yeah
 
<3 https://www.reddit.com/r/PHP/comments/mfkvp5/php_moves_canonical_repositories_to_github_due_to/gsp9ymk/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
"""The fact that this is being monitored thoroughly really calms my nerves."""
 
is the (Z_TYPE_P(data) == IS_ARRAY) here the culprit? heap.space/xref/php-src/ext/standard/info.c?r=073b6ea8#176
because the reference would now be an IS_REFERENCE zval instead
would ZVAL_DEREF be the right macro in that case?
 
@IMSoP So it does print the variables then. Yeah, ZVAL_DEREF should do the job.
 
Yep. Good catch.
 
@LeviMorrison Uh, is there anything special about your git setup?
 
6:20 PM
The fake commits were actually sent by @NikiC to once and for all get rid of the git.php repo without having to actually discuss it
12
 
mild_shock.gif
 
We agreed it was Sara yesterday
 
oh, I'm late I see
 
@Danack I would have gone dramatic look gopher there, each to their own tho
 
was tending more the other way: i.imgur.com/C5RXVrS.gif
 
6:24 PM
news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7109058.stm lets split the difference with this news story from 2007
and to answer your next question, I was checking the references on Adrian Chiles' Wikipedia page
and to answer your next question, I have no idea
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier Wondering if we can get rid of bugs.php.net the same way...
 
In favour of GH issues or something else?
 
(◔‿◔)
 
GH issues would be convenient in the "all in one place" sense, and extremely inconvenient in the "lacks pretty much all the features of a bug management system" sense
 
@NikiC Just turn the rhsoft guy loose for a day. That should do it.
 
6:37 PM
^^^
(please don't mind me, killing time until doctor comes into office)
 
@LeviMorrison Reason why I'm asking is that I'm missing a log entry for your revert commit.
 
well, that seemed too easy; I've probably done something wrong :P github.com/php/php-src/pull/6818/files?w=1
oh, should probably be against 7.4 I guess?
 
@IMSoP zend_hash_find_deref
 
bah, I knew there was probably an easier way
 
@NikiC I signed it -- that's about the only thing that's special, I think?
Committed over https, not git (it won't accept my key type for some reason).
 
6:43 PM
I read the PHP source like a three-year-old hunting for letters on the keyboard :P
 
@LeviMorrison Hm, this may be it
Can you please try making a test commit to the git.php.net php-src repo?
 
@NikiC Any specific branch?
 
master should be fine
Add a space to the readme or something
@LeviMorrison How do you authenticate over https?
 
@NikiC It's my php.net username + password.
 
wow, that works?
@LeviMorrison Okay, I don't think we need your test commit after all
I was able to push to playground.git with https auth
And that's despite the repo being marked as read-only in gitolite
 
6:58 PM
well, that's my random bit of hacking for the day; time to make dinner: github.com/php/php-src/pull/6818
 
7:39 PM
@Trowski sad but true lol
 
8:03 PM
Assertion failure with function JIT ・ JIT ・ #80916
LimitIterator does not end at count ・ SPL related ・ #80917
 
8:24 PM
@Jeeves Pretty sure this is a classic off-by-one.
 
8:36 PM
Actually, no, it's a bug!
Should behave more like this:
function limit(\Iterator $inner, int $count) {
  if ($count <= 0) return;

  $i = 0;
  $inner->rewind();
  if (!$inner->valid()) return;

  yield $inner->key() => $inner->current();

  // pre-increment because we already yielded once
  while (++$i < $count) {
    $inner->next();
    if ($inner->valid()) {
      yield $inner->key() => $inner->current();
    } else {
      return;
    }
  }
}
 
3v4l shows exist status 137 across the board, which I assume is the while(true) that by the report would be expected: 3v4l.org/M4bXf
 
this doesn't seem right: 3v4l.org/QeNCc
@hakre yeah, going into an infinite loop is a really weird choice of end condition
 
Yeah, I threw an exception locally :)
 
@LeviMorrison Your login method hit the mark...
 
@IMSoP that's the example in the report, I just took it over :) this might be a sign of someone is really pushin/rushing.
 
8:45 PM
@NikiC Thanks for looking into it.
 
@hakre yeah, I meant a weird choice on the reporter's part
 
@IMSoP jup. when leaving it out it all makes sense: 3v4l.org/1qdRg
especially as there is already one while(true) in the generator to endlessly yield.
no idea what the reporter was trying to pin-point with the report, but it all looks just working. what am I missing?
 
I think this is a better demo: 3v4l.org/IWKb5
 
the generator will go and then stop on the next yield, but that is how generators work.
 
the iterator can be resumed 4 times, even though the limit is 3
 
8:51 PM
you can't blame the limit-iterator for it, it just does the three iterations and then invalidates.
@IMSoP no, the resume is three times.
on init (rewind), it goes to the first yield and stops there. then three more times.
it won't be resumed on the last one because there is no fourth iteration due to the limit.
this means the limit is effective.
it is only the indirection how generators work which is not a bug.
 
right, sorry, yes, I've put my call to valid() in the wrong order
is it intended that you can carry on calling next() after the limit though? that seems weird
 
you're welcome.
 
The limit iterator has a bug.
Compare it to using this.
 
@LeviMorrison but which one? what is not working as intented?
we already yield once always in a generator.
 
I mean, it's under specified, obviously, but touching the underlying iterator even after it's reached the limit is an issue.
 
8:57 PM
the limit is only in the iteration. the rest is decoration.
it is not forbidden to touch the inner iterator only the iteration is limited.
 
but "iteration" doesn't just mean "foreach"
 
I get what you are saying, but compare it to what I linked.
It doesn't need to iterate more than it needs to.
(I get it's a tautology, just trying to make the emphasis)
 
@LeviMorrison yes I've read it now three times (the code) but I'm biased the check is after the yield while it should be more visible when placed before the yield.
 
yeah, yours does look more logical: 3v4l.org/XDhQ9
 
I'm having to debug code that is so legacy that it has keywords I didn't even know existed
 
9:00 PM
@hakre The reporter is trying to demonstrate that even though the limit is reached, the LimitIterator still moves the inner iterator.
It's a quality of implementation issue.
 
no, it has already moved. even with no iterations at all, the generator needs to have a yield statement but not touch it (but trying to reach it): function emptyGenerator() {return; yield;}
 
Did you compare the difference when using my version and LimitIterator?
 
@LeviMorrison you have the inner view inside the generator. LimitIterator the outer view (a Decorator).
 
Ignore that. Look at the results.
 
@LeviMorrison why not unroll inside the generator, add an additional one at the end. should make it more visible.
 
9:04 PM
yeah, I think Levi's right; once the outer iterator knows that 3 results have been returned, it shuld just stop; but instead, it asks the inner iterator for one more value, and throws it away
 
let me try that.
@IMSoP I'm pretty sure that is how generators work.
 
Look at my example.
I don't think you really are looking at it. The output makes it plain that LimitIterator does not need to do this.
 
it always goes to the next yield, but stops there. if it returns the iterator of the generator is invalid (->valid() = false). when current() or key() is called, the value of the yield is taken. on the next next() it goes around again to check if it is still valid.
so you will always see the code after the yield executed despite it could seem "one too many".
 
I understand what you are saying, but you are missing that the driver of the generator, the outer iterator, can control when it steps the inner iterator. It doesn't have to step the inner iterator more than it needs to.
 
straight foreach version: 3v4l.org/0DdUC
 
9:08 PM
@LeviMorrison not only the driver but also the inner iterator implementation itself, e.g. here the generator.
And as the LimitIterator is a decorator: it passes next() down to the inner iterator, always.
 
well, it shouldn't
it should only pass it within the limit
 
Okay... maybe this will help. Let's say $count is 0. Does the LimitIterator need to touch the inner iterator at all? No. It knows the count is 0, and never has to even rewind the inner iterator nor check if it's valid.
 
@IMSoP well following the pattern it should.
 
following what pattern?
 
@IMSoP the decorator pattern.
 
9:11 PM
it's not a plain decorator, though, it's changing the result
 
@IMSoP but only for valid().
 
why though?
 
Your "decorator" argument doesn't hold up. If it did, then $limitIterator->valid() must always call $innerIterator->valid(), which is obviously wrong.
 
@LeviMorrison no because it is limiting the iteration and valid() is the condition to do that.
 
Hard-disagree, but I'm out of time.
 
9:13 PM
@LeviMorrison yes, this can easily become ambiguous if the interface that is being decorated has multiple methods (in PHP iterator has four IIRC, in Java it is one).
 
@hakre here's another example: 3v4l.org/KYfiE
 
This is why generators is that nice, because with one "method" you fullfil the whole iterator interface.
 
the LimitIterator will carry on calling next() forever, but won't call valid()
that's just broken
 
@IMSoP do a next limiting iteration if you mean it: 3v4l.org/uW1sp
 
why would you not mean that?
 
9:18 PM
@NikiC This is a great case for having PHP code shipped in core :)
 
@IMSoP consider you implement a generic LimitIterator. wouldn't you implement the least necessary to limit the iteration?
 
yes, but it seems that LimitIterator implements less than that, because you can carry on iterating after the limit
 
would github.com/php/php-src/commit/… be backported to 7.3 or 7.4?
 
@IMSoP you can as the interface is public. But the contract w/ foreach is to call next once and then valid and if invalidated, foreach loop exits.
 
@hakre iterators aren't just for foreach, though
 
9:21 PM
so the next() method must not check that unless you call it additionally and explicitly.
 
it's not "LimitForeacher"
 
@IMSoP But the LimitIterator is implemented for exactly this kind of iteration.
 
actually, put it a different way: if I was implementing LimitIterator, I would implement it to resume the inner iterator as few times as necessary
 
The interface allows more, but you break the contract on how to for-each it if you do otherwise.
 
no you don't; valid() returns false, so next() does nothing; perfectly fine
 
9:23 PM
@IMSoP unless next() does a re-validation.
 
whereas currently, valid() returns false, and next() does something anyway, for no gain
 
@IMSoP as said, it can turn a valid() false into true on next().
if you would always check valid() before next() this would break the iteration.
this is why valid() is called after next() in foreach.
 
but it's not going to; it knows it's not going to, because it has its own definition of valid()
 
@IMSoP but only to the outer side to limit the iteration.
 
what do you mean "outer side"?
 
9:25 PM
but to work it needs to pass-through next() regardless of valid() as otherwise broken (can run into that race-condition).
 
what race condition? it's yielded the 3 values it was asked for; it knows, as a solid fact, that it's never going to yield another value
so what the inner iterator does next is irrelevant
 
@IMSoP if you call valid() on the LimitIterator it will intervene the call to valid() of the inner iterator to check if the limit is reached and if so will not call the inner valid().
 
yes, and?
 
and next() is not decorated (does not intervene the call to it), it is out of the business of the LimitIterator.
 
why, though?
 
9:28 PM
Of course it's the business of the LimitIterator -- its whole point is to limit the number of iterations, which will include valid() and next().
 
it's not BecomeInvalidAfterLimitIterator
 
@IMSoP because next() does the job to invalidate the inner iterator.
 
the inner iterator never becomes invalid; it can be an infinite loop, as in most of these examples
the next() doesn't need to do any job
 
@IMSoP yes and it can be less than the number of limited iterations
 
so what?
 
9:29 PM
@IMSoP next() normally does the iteration.
 
I didn't say LimitIterator should never call next(), I said it shouldn't call it after the limit is reached
 
@IMSoP but next() is not of the business of it. it only needs valid.
 
note that it does intervene in front of current()
 
@IMSoP after the initial rewind() there is one call to valid() for for-each.
 
@hakre Again, hard-disagree.
valid and next are intertwined.
 
9:32 PM
@LeviMorrison that would be an implementation detail, and you can define it by creating your own Iterator, yes.
 
why would you ever want the current behaviour?
 
Let's assume a saner iteration API that has only next(), and it either returns a valid result, let's call it IterationPair, or null.
valid() and next() are obviously intertwined in this case.
 
@LeviMorrison that is the Iterator interface in Java, yes.
It only has next.
 
PHP's protocol is logically the same, just the low-level details are different. The high level is the same: you call next and then determine if the result is valid.
 
@LeviMorrison exactly. this is why limiting only needs to deal with valid().
 
9:34 PM
No, wrong conclusion.
 
@hakre that's not what it does though, it intercepts everything except next(): 3v4l.org/D6J0k
 
What happens in Java if you call next() on something that is already invalid?
 
@LeviMorrison not my conclusion, this is the defined behaviour.
 
after limit, valid() doesn't call through, current() and key() always return false, but next() carries on resuming
 
Ah, you lied to me; Java has hasNext() and next(), which is also not a sane API (concurrent modification, etc).
 
9:37 PM
@LeviMorrison sorry, I'm not very good at Java and don't look there often.
you example is nice however for the interface to only have one method and work with null on invalidation.
 
Look at Rust's API, which is sane: only one method, next, which returns Option<Self::Item>.
No other methods, no hasNext(), no valid(), just next().
If the result is invalid, it returns None.
If the result is valid, it returns Some(value).
 
@LeviMorrison You can do that in PHP as well and then offer an Iterator for any of these so you can use it within foreach.
You could also just write a generator in PHP, then you don't need to write an Iterator for it.
 
I don't think you are catching the point.
I need to get back to work. TTYL!
 
TTYL. and don't read my comments as a judgement on the grade of "sane" for the PHP Iterator interface.
 
it's approaching bed-time for me, but I'm with Levi on this; it makes no sense to carry on calling next() "just because", when you know that whatever happens, you will discard all the results the inner generator produces
 
9:44 PM
@IMSoP Apart from making sense, all I say is that it is the defined behaviour.
 
defined by what?
I don't understand what you mean by that
 
It is implemented that way.
It is defined by the implementation that way.
 
"it" being the LimitIterator class?
 
@IMSoP Yes.
 
then nothing is ever a bug
 
9:45 PM
Something being defined by an implementation is the least convincing argument
 
because "the implementation does it that way"
 
^That
 
No judgement here whether is right or wrong or sane or insane.
 
The question to ask is "Is this coherent with the rest of the iterators"
 
@Girgias not when it is about a language feature.
 
9:46 PM
You are making a judment of what is right tho
@hakre No
Most languages have a spec
C, C++, Raku
That's what defines the behaviour
 
you can't "decide not to make a decision"; by saying it's not a bug, you're judging that the current behaviour is correct
 
And if it goes against the spec it's an implementation bug
PHP is weird because the language and the implementation are tied together closely, but the spec for iterators is what most iterators do
If that iterators goes againt the "spec" it's a bug
 
@IMSoP well it's not a bug because LimitIterator works within foreach for which it has been made for.
 
All Iterators work with foreach
 
@Girgias I understand it this way: the spec specifies the behaviour. you can explicity declare behaviour undefined through spec, but you can not do otherwise (e.g. when methods already exist and have behaviour and there is no other spec for it).
 
9:49 PM
Is it a bug if I call next() manually and I get a segmentation fault? It worked within foreach, so definitely not a bug, right? (In case it's unclear, no, this is a bug and a serious one)
 
@hakre it's a bug, because calling key() and current() exactly $limit times but next() an infinite number of times makes no sense
 
@hakre Then you're understanding it wrong
 
@IMSoP Yes, your mileage may vary :)
@Girgias so by declaring it a bug it would be fine to change the implentation in a fix-release in PHP?
 
sometimes, there are reasons we can't or don't want to fix the implementation - backwards compatibilty can be a bitch - but "won't fix" is not the same thing as "not a bug"
 
@hakre Yes????? Any bug fix changes the imeplementation
That's the point of a bug fix
 
9:53 PM
@IMSoP yes, but if the behaviour on next() would be undefined, it could be immediately changed without breaking backward compat.
 
the term "undefined" is undefined in PHP
because we have no spec to "define" anything in
 
:)
this is why I would first look if it is really defined/undefined, because this is more practically to actually change it (it reduces the wontfix cases).
 
look where?
I wasn't joking, that term literally has no meaning for PHP
there's documented/undocumented, and "likely to be relied on in the wild"
 
as PHP has an implementation, the code is the definition.
 
9:55 PM
but then there are no bugs
hooray!
 
@hakre ?????????
So if the source code made "4 + 4 = 9" you wouldn't fix it because the code is the "definition" ?????
 
2 + 2 = 5 for sufficiently large values of 2 😛
anyway, I really must go to bed
sorry to anyone hoping to discuss anything other than iterators for the last however long!
 
Night, I should probably do that too
 
@Girgias that is math and might bend the example here a bit. mind the context, we're talking about the implementation of a working LimitIterator.
 
@hakre It is irrelevant
If you cannot comprehend that then I don't know what more we can say
 
9:58 PM
Repeating this now since current topic has died down :P
38 mins ago, by Tiffany
would https://github.com/php/php-src/commit/5b29eba7ca1591438639010c75efecc11115a292 be backported to 7.3 or 7.4?
 
@Girgias no because math is spec'ed to large extend.
 
I'm doing a fucking math degree
 
Follow-up question: would that be part of 8.0 minor release or 8.1?
 
And I can create a weird number sqystem where 2+2 = 5 if I want to
 
@Girgias and a lot of it is written, correct?
 
9:59 PM
@Tiffany seems like a feature rather than a fix on the face of it
 
You are missing the point
The spec and what you need to look at is how the whole area of the language behaves
And not just a single case
 

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