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12:54 AM
@DaveRandom if I recall correctly, that ring of metal is a Ferrite core, that stops the TV from blasting out too many radio waves.
 
So basically lead shielding but cheaper?
 
@AndrasDeak turn the magnet round, and you can undo the effect.....mostly.
 
You just woke me up btw, cheers for that :-P
 
@DaveRandom cheaper and more effective.
 
(My own fault though)
 
12:57 AM
.....well maybe turn off your device.
 
Just don't leave windows at 100% vol, amp at ~60% vol and Netflix at 10% vol :-P
Amp in rock present and sub at like 80% as well
Turns out that ding has a kick if you put it loud enough
 
@DaveRandom or turn off sound for chat notifications? :P
 
it's even better if you have two machines open to the page...... DANG, DANG
 
@Danack 😂
 
I want them though, just normally I have may sound set up more sane :-P
I was listening to ac/dc very loud before bed
 
1:01 AM
That sounds like lovely bedtime music :P
 
And the just cranked Netflix right down out of laziness
 
@Danack all the strong magnets I had at hand were hdd magnets. Weird shape, weird pole structure :) Even if I had known this I probably wouldn't have tried
 
@Tiffany If you want blood, you got it, epic tune
 
Also eighth episode of Bake Off, I'm past you now
 
I was also shaving
Does that help? :-P
 
1:02 AM
Off a few seconds?
 
Yeh I dunno 8t doesn't really make sense
I think I never let go of how much I love the scene I empire records when he drums along to that tune
 
8t?
 
Mobile keyboard
 
weirdest txtspk with an accent
 
And tired slightly drunk fingers
And retarded autocorrect history, due to historical very drunk fingers
@AndrasDeak supposed to be "it" :-P
 
1:06 AM
yes, with an accent
 
This chat is so difficult on mobile that I have considered building an android app more than once
 
ayt cannuh be ay tahpo
 
Ah yeh I guess you would be used to "3t"?
 
although 8 already ends in t so that would be weird
 
Yeh you can't really type with an accent
 
1:08 AM
óh réálly?
 
Although people type English with colloquial inflections, the stereotype being that people from the southern asia noticeably csll everyone "sir"
 
Welp, bedtime here.
good n8t
(works better in German)
 
Germanic and Nordic folk tend to unnaturally not-use contractions
@AndrasDeak t wouldn't be necessary there
And nn :-P
 
Never seen "gute n8"?
 
Actually no but I am English
So why would I have gung around in non English places
The English are dicks
But the internet was built for me
@AndrasDeak I like it though :-P
@DaveRandom to clear this was intended as a lament :-P
 
1:20 AM
Stats function documentation has gone ・ stats ・ #80501
 
1:41 AM
33 mins ago, by DaveRandom
Yeh you can't really type with an accent
 
2:27 AM
@Dharman Dharman, thanks a lot. your answer was what I was looking for "Dynamic binding parameters". We can call bind_param only once right? The answer accepted was given for multiple times. Its really misleading. Really don't understand why he accepted it. Thanks a lot. I was struck in this for days due to that misleaded answer!!!
@Dharman I need some clarifications in this answer... stackoverflow.com/a/65217005/1839439
 $data = [$_POST['username'], $_POST['email']]; first the array is defined right? Then why the following? $data[] = $_POST['password']; $data[] = $_POST['usertype']; $data[] = $_POST['userid']; Is it redifining stuff? I concatenated it with $data[] .= $_POST['password']; and it worked
and what is this operator? ...$data. How can it be used on other instances?
 
2:58 AM
Oh thank god I found this
I was wondering how I'd handle a POST request (from a Java application) on the server side. I'm trying to send images from the app to the web server. I can't seem to figure out how to see the data from the request on my server.
 
Behold my genius, PHP 8 with barewords: 3v4l.org/CnViM
now back to trying to sleep
 
@Girgias LGTM, looks production ready, right?
 
@bwoebi Sadly you can't have multiple ones :(
 
@RifkyNiyas it's the splat operator
I think
Variadics is the other word for it
 
@Girgias need $ip = $e->sourceOpcode;
 
3:09 AM
Maybe? Dunno what you're trying to convey, I just crawled out of bed to type that code out to leave my brain alone. The issue is if you have multiple ones, you get a parse error :( could do a lot of fun stuff if you could catch a ParseError I bet
 
@Tiffany ok
 
@Girgias (set instruction pointer to opcode before exception)
 
@Tiffany Thank you
 
Ahhhh, okay yeah that would make sense.
Oh I see why, because you get this otherwise: 3v4l.org/fOVtL
that's funny
 
wait do my messages send or no?
 
3:14 AM
@TheDoctor025 yes, but you didn't ask a question
 
ok good i'm new here just making sure
my question is above
 
And the message you sent wasn't one that's likely to spark discussion
 
Oh that's more reasonable 3v4l.org/vo0sa
don't know why I'm giggling so much about this
 
@TheDoctor025 www.dontasktoask.com
 
I didn't ask to ask, as I stated my question is above.
I was wondering how I'd handle a POST request (from a Java application) on the server side. I'm trying to send images from the app to the web server. I can't seem to figure out how to see the data from the request on my server.
 
3:16 AM
@TheDoctor025 You like any POST request
Look at $_POST
 
@TheDoctor025 I know you said your question is above, but it's not a good question
 
Also ^
It's kinda irrelevant from where the data comes
An HTTP request is just an HTTP request
 
I'm sorry if my questions aren't clear, I started learning PHP today for a school project
 
@TheDoctor025 just try to do better, all that we ask :)
 
One moment, I will post my code
 
3:19 AM
@TheDoctor025 if it's more than ten lines, please don't post it directly in chat. Use a code pasting site like gist.github.com or pastebin, or even 3v4l.org
 
This is within my Java application.
```HttpClient client = HttpClient.newBuilder()
                .version(HttpClient.Version.HTTP_2)
                .build();
        HttpRequest request = HttpRequest.newBuilder()
                .uri(URI.create("(my url)"))
                .POST(BodyPublishers.ofString("hello there"))
                .build();```
Here, I am trying to send the request to my site. The response is just the HTML from the index.php itself.
 
@TheDoctor025 also, please keep this in mind sscce.org
I'm on mobile so I'm not particularly fast at linking stuff right now >.<
 
The code's only 7 lines but I can't do the code formatting :(
 
@TheDoctor025 four spaces for multiple lined code to format, or use the "fixed font" button
SO chat doesn't use ``` for multiple lines
 
This is embarrassing
 
3:25 AM
@TheDoctor025 but truthfully, @Girgias already answered your question...
9 mins ago, by Girgias
Look at $_POST
 
Right, ok, so what I have in my index.php is this
<?php
    $post = print_r($_POST, true);
    $files = print_r($HTTP_POST_FILES, true);
    echo "<p>$post</p>";
    echo "<p>$files</p>"
  ?>
The only output to the webpage is Array()
 
Even without that, i.e. just the $_POST, I see nothing on my webpage indicating that the request was received. That is why I'm asking for a way to store the data from these requests. I'm sorry if the question sounds very basic, as I said I started learning this only today.
 
Also, why are you assigning print_r to a variable then echoing?
 
I thought that without the print_r it would not show up in a human-readable format
 
3:31 AM
print_r displays text to the screen
I don't remember offhand the formatting differences between it and echo
 
I can change it to display the $_POST directly, but my main question is still about storing the data from the request, because echoing "<p>$_POST</p>" only shows Array()
 
I'm about to fall asleep, but another thing that will help you is using a debugger. Xdebug is particularly useful, and if you're a student, grab a copy of PhpStorm.
@TheDoctor025 var_dump works in a pinch, but a debugger will make your life significantly easier as a programmer
I know first-hand because the current environment at work doesn't allow for the use of a debugger and it makes tracking things down particularly difficult 😓
 
Wes
mornen
 
@RifkyNiyas fyi, 'thanks a lot' is only used ironically by native english speakers.....i.e. when they say that, it is meant as 'thanks for nothing'. I apologise for English being terrible.
 
Wes
3:55 AM
so i was a dick to countless people??
people that helped me?
damn that's horrible
 
most people will know it's not meant....it's just one of those things that can be avoided.
 
Wes
do you think the non-english internet is changing how the native speakers speak english?
there was a tom scott video about that i think
basically there are so many people making english mistakes these days that's the norm now
 
@Wes yes, I've noticed it definitely with my own writing
I have to be more careful with my writing and reread once or twice to make sure there aren't mistakes
 
Wes
:D
 
Probably my only frustrating is when I write "I am having..." or some variation of "I am <verb>-ing..." when I should say "I have..." or "I <verb>..."
There are times when "I am having..." is okay or even correct, but more often than not "I have..." is better
 
Wes
4:12 AM
example of when you use "am -ing" incorrectly?
"i am having dinner, right now" is this ok? :B
 
@Wes yes, except it would always be abbreviated, unless you had aspergers or perceived time as Dr Manhattan does.
 
Wes
abbreviated as in "i'm having dinner"?
i was thinking of Data
does i'm i am really make that much of a difference? :B it's just one letter. english is weird.
 
yeah. also, "right now" implies just about to start having dinner as in, "you haven't interupted, but I can't speak now".
otherwise it would be just "I'm having dinner", or "I'm currently eating dinner".
 
Wes
right now was more for the sake of the example
still feeling nowhere near being confident my english tho, after so many years
still sounding like super mario in my head
:B
 
@Wes "I am having a problem with blah blah blah..." versus "I have a problem with blah blah blah..." or even "I am encountering a problem with blah blah blah..." versus "I encounter a problem with blah blah blah..." There are moments where "I am encountering a problem" is better than "I encounter a problem" but it depends entirely on context
 
Wes
4:20 AM
i see
 
"am having" uses the passive voice I think
Anyway, really need to crash
 
Wes
\o gn
 
4:58 AM
So, it turns out that one of the problems with trying to get companies to support open source software is that people will take unreleased code from the master branch and package it for you.
 
 
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6:43 AM
Hi All,
I am using this code but how can i pass form data on this create order code
please help
@Danack
@Tiffany
 
@Danack I'm a bit sad to see you so disappointed (angry ?) ...
 
@RemiCollet certainly in a mood.
I've been thinking about how to get companies to sponsor Imagick, and had been really please by the github announcement. (though I still really don't like Microsoft).
I was thinking "great, I can hold off on doing the Imagick release for 8, until there are at least enough sponsors for me to be able to afford food."
I hadn't realised that downstream package managers were taking unreleased code and releasing it with the same version number.
To be clear, I have no problem with people downstream charging/making money from distributing it. Except that maybe they should be charging more, and passing some of it upstream
@Shahid don't ping people for help. People can help you if they choose....but also, that's such a vague question, no-one is likely to.
@RemiCollet i really don't particularly enjoy supporting Imagick, but I think I've done a relatively good job, except for needing to write more examples, and report more bugs upstream.
The whole situation is pretty annoying, but for the record it was the guy from heroku that set me off......having someone who works for a company that spent $8 billion on sales and marketing last year, trying to be chummy with me, rather than giving cash-money, is..........apparently something that annoys me.
 
I am really Sorry @Danack
// Call your server to set up the transaction
createOrder: function(data, actions) {
return fetch('/demo/checkout/api/paypal/order/create/', {
method: 'post'
}).then(function(res) {
return res.json();
}).then(function(orderData) {
return orderData.id;
});
},
This is the code and i also want to get form data in this function
 
that is not PHP. go ask somewhere else. Also, paypal is terrible, maybe used stripe instead.
 
6:59 AM
Thanks for your suggestion
 
Good morning.
 
@Danack of course you know >99% of opensource users are profiteers, and yes this is sad.
and making some money is not so easy (my repo is used by thousands.. ~300k download per days... and I was only able to get little money, only enough to pay for hosting the project)
 
Have you ever thought about going on strike?
 
yes, of course, sometime when too tired...
but I also received some "thanks" message, and it helps a lot ;)
 
One reason that I am annoyed at the situation, where the anger is maybe directed at downstream package managers, is that if I attempted to change the license of Imagick to anything that wasn't classified as free software, the project would be forked immediately. Which leaves me pretty powerless.
 
7:09 AM
see mongodb... no more free... and removed of all major distro
 
> The idea of evolutionary suicide, where adaptation at the level of the individual causes the whole species or population to be driven extinct, can be seen as an extreme form of an evolutionary tragedy of the commons.
 
7:21 AM
@RemiCollet pong
@RemiCollet hdr histogram needs new releases i suppose for php 8 :)
 
apparently not, they might just grab the latest master and re-use a previous version number.
 
going on strike doesn't work anyway, foreach wise programmer let there be n^32-1 newbies waiting in the wings, eager to do the job you were doing for the same reasons you used to do it ...
 
@JoeWatkins or even worse, microsoft/amazon would happily take over a project if it aligns with their corporate interest. And on a smaller scale, that is why I think the Laravel "hostile takeover" of the faker project is.......unbecoming.
 
a way to reduce anger is just to do less, do only that which you are compensated for, instead of making an imaginary list with no end and trying to get to the end of it - which has been my modus operandi until recently ... realize that there is no list ...
 
I'm kind of kicking myself for thinking of some fun stuff......that would be really cool, and would help the project, and take about 30 days to implement....
 
7:34 AM
one of my kids is now an adult-in-training, they turned 16 ... on the one hand, great, I won parenting, offspring surviving to adulthood ... on the other, I missed a whole lot of it for not very good reasons ...
I got one kid left, if you want my attention, you really have to pay me, just like my job does, or else I'm unavailable ...
 
btw do you have your residency sorted out for the coming shit-show @JoeWatkins ?
 
yeah, we had it done like a year ago
 
Cool.......I need to stock up on decent olive oil, in case we run out....
 
@beberlei yes hdr_historgram needs new release, I'm also surprized only 0.3.0 on pecl, while some 0.4.x where tagged on github
and you have a PR open for PHP 8 ;)
 
on this side of the fence, things aren't too bad ... govt have now setup ways to help expats and get all their paperwork done quickly ... there's no sense in which they are waiting for us to leave, it feels more like they are bending over backwards to make us stay
 
7:39 AM
yeah, well that's both nice of them, but also in their interest as too many people selling at once could cause house price crash in spain and france.
 
oh yeah for sure, it's out of self interest
holidaymakers are likely to be more adversely effected than expats in reality ...
 
@RemiCollet thank you for the PR, looks great! about pecl - i always forget how the tool works and such to bother doing that release :-(
 
yeah, well maybe there will be a wave of refugees coming from the UK to balance the lower tourist numbers.
 
@Danack woah!
I just knew such kind of a thing just today
thanks a lot
*thanks for everything
 
@RemiCollet agh biggest annoynce, that repo still uses travis for CI
 
7:45 AM
@RifkyNiyas just say "thank you" or "thanks for the help/advice".
actually, yeah, being specific on what you are grateful for is probably the best way of avoiding sarcasm.......
 
@NikiC thanks for the answer anyway 🙂
 
@Danack got it. I owe you a lot. Learning a lot in this room
 
morns
 
@RemiCollet @JoeWatkins my suspicion is that in the near (within 6 months) Microsoft will announce some scheme where a fraction of the money companies pay Microsoft for Azure, will be given to the open source projects that are released through NPM. That will be awesome for those projects, establish a platform that attracts developers, and over time, be a massive boost for Microsoft's market share.
They've got all the pieces in place now with github sponsors being open to companies. All that's needed is a bit of accounting software.
 
8:03 AM
@Danack are you from england or america?
And apologies for my english since I've never heard of such kind of thing here. shocking really.. :(
 
@RifkyNiyas Bristol in England. And yes.......I apologise for English, and English people being generally terrible.
have a more complete list: angmohdan.com/…
 
I will ba happy if imagick stop being OpenSource, it will remove so much work from my list ;)
 
that's a thing that would make the world a better place....showing them how to run tests.
 
I don't understand how they can release so often... and obviously without even running their test suite...
IM is probably the worts project I'm aware of
"git log" is a nightmare...
 
8:19 AM
not even haaaaaaaaands.
Think at least one of them has never worked in a better organised project, so they're just not aware of what projects should be like.
Now that's a webpage I'd expect of a graphics programmer.
 
like bumping soname in a minor patch release...
 
8:48 AM
@RemiCollet do you think the whole Centos SNAFU will end up pushing people to Debian (or a derivative) ?
 
Sorry, I have no idea about what will really happen
but rather switch to another RPM distro (I hope not OEL)
same than previous discussion... too much "profiteers", people want everything for free...
If you want to use OpenSource, you have to contribute (e.g; with Fedora) or pay someone to contribute for you (e.g. with RHEL). But people want "the butter, the money from the butter and the smile of the dairywoman" (french expression)
and probably most don't understand what is really CentOS Stream, and perhaps not really well defined yet
 
9:06 AM
> If you want to use OpenSource, you have to contribute
While I don't agree that it's a "have to" scenario, I think it's very much a "should if you can" scenario, but that message/ideal got lost a long time ago
its either (a) open source means zero cost, means we don't need to get someone to approve a new cost for $business; and then what are the chances of convincing said business to contribute
or (b) open source means I don't have to pay, so whoopee for me.
 
@Stephen I mean "OpenSource software is free when paid by someone"
 
@RemiCollet side note, English equivalent expression would be the equally weird "have your cake and eat it too"
 
so really someone "have to" pay, and if nobody pay, project will die
@DaveRandom thanks!
 
right, the countless hours of unpaid time aren't really well communicated to a lot of potential users
 
9:17 AM
ex: if all RHEL users switch to CentOS.... then RHEL (and CentOS and all clones) will die
 
@DaveRandom I kind of like the French version.
 
yeh me too
it's funny how those nonsense expressions persist, presumably it used to pertain to something in the real world
 
("smile of the dairywoman" being optional, but I like it)
 
well the butter thing is a little more obvious but so conceptually archeaic
@RemiCollet I'm will to bet that some people don't go with "smile" as well :-P
 
@RemiCollet with something the size of RH/IBM, that presumably depends on how much of the value is derived from its revenue and how much is derived from having control over something they provide to customers
 
9:19 AM
anyway, I'm out again all day today so ttyl
 
ciao
 
Ciaoo o/
 
hmm.. I think I need to find a fix for french PHP 8 announcement page, "Types d'union" seems awfully....
 
.
@Danack I'm reading the SQL Antipatterns book you suggested me, it's awesome! I really needed to read something like this, thank you again
 
9:27 AM
kids don't
kids are idiots.
on that note, I'm actually going, bye o/ :-P
 
@DaveRandom bilingual kids do
 
they are just differently idiots.
 
Little more about langs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_xUIDRxdmc

:D
 
 
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10:40 AM
@RifkyNiyas [] is the append operator for arrays. You can't concatenate arrays, but you can append items to them. ... is a splat operator. It transforms an array into a list of separate variables.
 
@Tpojka they could also be drunk or otherwise under the influence
 
Is it possible in PHP to build an application like the stock market?
I am not sure about the possibility but I am thinking about the code continuously talks to the third party API and updates the number constantly.
 
PHP would probably be a bit too slow for that :)
Although it seems like your definition of "the stockmarket" is different than mine
 
london stock exchng is written in c++
these things tend to run on very expensive hardware
and so, no, no php or javascript stock exchanges
note that, the lse used to be .net (c#), and even that proved too high level, there were two periods of utter failure, the switch followed shortly after ...
nasdaq is apparently java, no scary stories to tell about that ... except that, someone somewhere is still working with java
 
@JoeWatkins I've known lot of drunk people who're believed to know another language. :P
 
11:05 AM
@PeeHaa even with the release PHP8?
 
heheheh
It is incomparable with other languages
yes even with php8
 
OMG!! Then what does it require? A very very strong booster .. hahaha
@JoeWatkins nasdaq uses java and java uses JIT .. apparently, php8 also uses JIT.
i think it is not at all because of JIT. correct?
 
Wes
mornen
 
False equivalence is a logical fallacy in which an equivalence is drawn between two subjects based on flawed or false reasoning. This fallacy is categorized as a fallacy of inconsistency. A colloquial expression of false equivalency is "comparing apples and oranges". == Characteristics == This fallacy is committed when one shared trait between two subjects is assumed to show equivalence, especially in order of magnitude, when equivalence is not necessarily the logical result. False equivalence is a common result when an anecdotal similarity is pointed out as equal, but the claim of equivalence...
 
hehehe. what is this for?
 
11:19 AM
@JoeWatkins I see job posts in Swiss mostly asks for Java people.
@Exception Check example on right hand side of linked page. You made similar conclusion yet not much relevant. JIT is not reason for [not] using PHP. It's more compiled vs. interpreted.
 
12:19 PM
Comparison of empty string to 0 ・ *General Issues ・ #80502
 
12:30 PM
@Girgias you're crazy
Literally rolling in my bed and laughing over your barewords tweet
 
I've got a question about PHP 8's attributes. When should one use "@:" and when "#[Attribute]" ?
 
@Code4R7 never the former, always the latter
@: didn't pass as the attribute syntax
 
Thanks @Tiffany I was just wondering because of the Attribute RFC at wiki.php.net/rfc/attributes_v2
 
Thanks again, I missed that one. Though it does feel strange to use comments for code.
 
12:43 PM
@Gordon trustinsoda ?
I just got an email from a recruiter for a company based in munich keen to employ php-src contributors
 
@Code4R7 it's not a comment
 
@JoeWatkins I do trust in soda and am keen to employ php-src contributors
 
@JoeWatkins I think @Gordon's company is Instana
 
You're right, but the manual disagrees: php.net/manual/en/language.basic-syntax.comments.php
 
@Tiffany yes, but he's correct
 
12:47 PM
# this is a comment
#[Attribute] // this is not a comment
@Code4R7 the manual is still in the process of being updated for PHP 8, PRs welcome :) github.com/PHP/doc-en
github.com/php/php-tasks/issues/26 <-- list of stuff that needs to be updated for 8
 
Who is Zend?
Whatever they new owners are?
 
@PeeHaa Perforce/RogueWave I think
I was looking at zend.com yesterday, they have quite a few PHP blog posts now. It seems like they're trying to gain favor with non-enterprise users of PHP
 
I would like to see this on php.net as well, and zend/the author/potentially others as well can maintain it there
 
@Tiffany You're great! :-)
I found some other manual pages to be updated, like Language Reference -> Classes and Objects -> OOP Changelog, but I currently don't have the resources to do much with github.com.
My experience only covers CVS and Subversion... have to dive into git anytime soon.
 
1:01 PM
@cmb It's tricky. I agree with salathe in that they should remain in php.net, but I get the feeling that Zend wouldn't be satisfied with only that and will want more control over things. I have no proof of this, and I can be completely wrong, but I'm cautious, to say the least.
 
cmb
I see two potential problems: (a) we don't have time to support the old docs (consider PRs and doc bugs), and (b) we may not want to have old docs, to push users to supported versions.
 
argh, I knew I forgot something when I switched from mobile to computer 😛 I meant to say something about how we currently don't have the manpower to maintain the legacy docs, and it's nice to see someone take up that mantle
 
@cmb I'm just an end user of PHP, and my only concern is how to upgrade my old stuff to the currently supported version(s). I know older versions aren't supported, and so I don't expect the docs to be supported. As long as all the migration guides remain available, I'm satisfied.
 
right, though it seems that they would like to actually maintain the old docs and even would like to try building a community around it. Why not allocate a box and repo for this under php.net and do so through those resources?
 
my primary concern is what interests Zend has in a year, two years, five years from now after that
the reason for that concern is that Z and D left RogueWave a couple years ago, and we don't know the reasons why they left, but we can make educated guesses, and behind those educated guesses don't leave me with warm, fuzzy feelings
 
1:08 PM
I've got to go, fetch the kids. Thanks again for answering all my questions.
 
@cmb Can we host the old docs somewhere and re-render them with a massive 'this is outdated' banner at the top?
 
cmb
@MarkR yes, of course we could, but they want to keep these docs updated ...
 
Unsurprising considering they have a direct financial interest in people remaining on old versions
 
Just reading them on the mailing lists now
 
1:21 PM
👍
@Tiffany and for what it's worth, I hope I am wrong, I hope I am proved wrong.
 
cmb
Some doc pages are so outdated; Returns a positive LDAP link identifier is no longer true as of PHP 4.0.0.
 
@cmb Hard opposed to salathe, at least
Neutral on what the PR itself wants to do
If nothing else, hosting them under php.net will without a doubt cause search engine issues
I've never seen an instance of versioned docs where Google did not regularly take me to an outdated page first
 
docs5.php.net with a robots.txt would solve that problem
 
@MarkR Then it wouldn't be searchable at all
I also don't think there's resources for this in any form. If nothing else this needs infra work, and we all know how that works out on php.net :)
 
cmb
^ that
 
1:34 PM
what's needed for that to change?
that sounds like a real, even usual problem, regardless of topic on hand :-P what could be done about it?
 
cmb
we'd need more people to actually look at systems issues
 
Move the entire infra over onto kubernetes and make changes via ci/cd :P
 
what kind of issues do we face in general? trying to see what would someone need to know to help with them
 
@Ekin Doing any infra work
 
well, I'd have no problem helping with that. I'd need someone to walk me through the where, what and how, though.
 
1:42 PM
I thought PHP's infra is spread over half a dozen unrelated servers isn't it?
 
yea
 
I think so. I know there are some DO boxes available
 
cmb
see wiki.php.net/systems (info there might be grossly outdated)
 
The clear first step would be to create a unified infrastructure with shared configuration and multi-region high availability
any indication on how many people still rsync the docs / php.net?
 
cmb
@MarkR should be irrelevant since the mirror system has been retired
 
1:57 PM
So it would be, hypothetically, possible to disconnect docs from php.net and make it it's own concern, and just pull the pages in via API and cache it? No need to constantly rebuild each server with new docs
Well, not so hypothetical because it's what I do at prototype.php.net/manual/en/function.file-get-contents.php pulling the docs over http
 
cmb
www.php.net is behind a CDN, so there's only one doc build per day (besides for docs.php.net which builds 6 times a day)
 
@MarkR What is this?
 
@Dharman It's a site I have for prototyping a new version of php.net using data-driven rendering, doing things like automatically marking outdated changelogs prototype.php.net/versions/7.3.19
 
Are there plans to release it?
 
None yet, covid threw a wrench into my plans to work on it, it's more than a year old at this point
But I designed it for everything to be built based on data (prototype-meta.php.net/releases) rather than precompiled static pages
 
2:06 PM
Have you got a GH repo I can take a look
 
I'd be tempted to just do the entire thing in React and make it 100% api based
 
@MarkR why not?
 
2:24 PM
@RemiCollet Yeah... thought of that on the spot, if you find something let me know that I can edit the main docs too
 
@cmb so basically, php.net has the 'nightly' and docs.php.net rebuilds more often
I thought the latter was every 6hrs, so 4 times a day
 
cmb
see news-web.php.net/php.doc.de: the broken mails come every 4 hours
 
ah, I see
 
@cmb, how did you find the deleted files for the Stats extension via SVN?
 
cmb
I did that in Git clone.
 
2:34 PM
>-< Welp need to wait for the FR translation to have a doc-fr with history so I can restore it
 
I do remember andreas asking about translation mirror repos on the ml
 
cmb
@Girgias check for changes to appendices/ini.core.xml:
 appendices/ini.core.xml | 2 +-
 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)

diff --git a/appendices/ini.core.xml b/appendices/ini.core.xml
index 322aefe895..88e6f539af 100644
--- a/appendices/ini.core.xml
+++ b/appendices/ini.core.xml
@@ -1671,7 +1671,7 @@ include_path = ".:${USER}/pear/php"
       <listitem>
        <para>
         Name of dynamically loadable Zend extension (for example
-        <link linkend="book.apd">APD</link>) to load when PHP starts up.
+        XDebug) to load when PHP starts up.
 
Yeah, but we don't have a git mirror for the French translation yet
last time I looked at at least
 
@Girgias about "Union" ? (don't know exactly, perhaps "Union de types"... seems better but not perfect)
 
@RemiCollet Yeah
 
2:39 PM
Also " combinaison de type " (later in the page) => " combinaison de types "
 
Might need to look at other languages which have union types and what they call it in their French translation
Will fix that
 
cmb
@Girgias you can svn blame that line :)
 
Right that's an idea
 
@RemiCollet I mean, that's not far off from what I've written initially D:
 
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