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10:01 PM
lol
tell @Crell, ftr, idgaf really :-P
@BruceStackOverFlow what you trying to find, the leak?
...and is it not just because you didn't free the string?
 
@DaveRandom my feelings
 
@AndrasDeak not that I don't appreciate the effort, I just don't really care about the question atm because I have been up ladders screwing wireless APs to the ceiling all day and I only got in like 10 mins ago :-P
 
@DaveRandom Somebody is going to get wifi cancer I see
 
we call it wancer these days
 
@DaveRandom too late
 
10:04 PM
:D
 
oh no sorry it's that people were calling me a wanker, that's different isn't it
 
Shirley you mean innit
 
wife heard a story from a lecturer where the guy shared a room with someone at a conference, and the other guy couldn't sleep "because there was too much wifi in the air"
 
looooooooool
like I can believe that resonance might have some very esoteric effects under some very specific circumstances, but still...
 
nope
 
10:06 PM
@DaveRandom Some people are just sensitive you racist
 
it would be more likely to manifest as visual oddities, like astronauts experience sometimes just because of solar radiation
 
@DaveRandom that's a key point there: solar radiation has high-energy i.e. ionising radiation. Wifi doesn't ionise. Too low frequency.
 
yeh that is a fair point
 
It might heat your tissue at worst (which arguably can still kill you)
 
yeh that's the thing really is microwave effects
 
10:08 PM
@DaveRandom Ya, but I think of a found the problem... Soon feedback
 
which actually iirc is still based on resonance?
I haven't really understood this stuff properly for a long, long time
my recollection is that microwaves work essentially by producing resonance on a molecular scale
but I might have dreamed that
 
@DaveRandom resonance is a very broad term. If you mean the 2.4 GHz wifi almost exactly matching a vibrational mode of water that's employed in microwave ovens: yeah.
 
ok cool that's good enough for me as long as I am not talking total rubbish :-P
 
If you do we'll just claim it's your brain wancer
 
or call me Brian Wanker
either one is fine
 
10:12 PM
> Whereas a Universal Mobile Telecommunications System (UMTS) phone can range from 21 dBm (125 mW) for Power Class 4 to 33 dBm (2W) for Power class 1, a wireless router can range from a typical 15 dBm (30 mW) strength to 27 dBm (500 mW) on the high end.
I thinl that's the key point. 0.5 W at the router, which you're not hugging all day, radiating into space. In contrast with a 700 W microwave oven that puts your water in a resonator box.
but I'm probably the only one still stuck on this topic :D
 
never underestimate my facility for obsessing about shit that doesn't matter
 
spacex starship flight test Maybe in 30 min youtube.com/watch?v=ap-BkkrRg-o
(yesterday the automatic launch system pulled the plug at T-1 second)
 
@Crell Gabriel came up with a nice command: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/11?m=50418274#50418274 Maybe it can be further tweaked for the purpose you need
 
@AndrasDeak no way
 
@MateKocsis Huh. Interesting. That only finds 47 people, but the tag cloud on php.watch says 150.
I guess that's committers vs contributors, since we don't go through PRs like normal people.
 
10:24 PM
@Crell what do you get if you replace -snc with -sn?
 
@Crell yeah, I was also puzzled when I saw that cloud. You might be right, the command should be revised (e.g. now that 8.1 is master, the result is surely incorrect) :)
 
@AndrasDeak c
 
@DaveRandom *golf clap*
 
Without the n, it shows 307 people.
 
hmm
 
10:25 PM
Including 4 from me, which seems about right.
 
@AndrasDeak *hat tip*
ffs 6 fucking letters and I still can't type them
 
What I wrote at chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/51119618#51119618 is pretty much the same thing, but instead of dates I used refs (might be more practical to go from 7.x to 8.0). And the cut just removes the number of contributions. And n just orders the contributors by number of contributions.
 
@AndrasDeak I used to have to ask my seventh grade science teacher to turn off the TV even though there wasn't anything on the screen and the volume was turned all the way down. For whatever reason, I could hear the tinny sound of the TV being on and it was distracting to me. I finally explained it to her after a class, and she never left it on after that. (I think she turned it on for homeroom the period before and didn't bother turning it off when next period started, mine)
 
which is to say, it might be easier to put two tags in it
@Tiffany ah yes, back when TVs were particle accelerators ;)
 
yeh I remember being able to hear a CRT whining
 
10:28 PM
Some TVs did that to me, others didn't.
 
iirc it was actually the capacitors (mostly) that made the noise but I suspect @AndrasDeak actually knows what he's talking about :-P
 
And hoping that the TV will recover on its own when you realise that your magnetic experiments have left a permanent-looking distortion in the picture
 
@AndrasDeak oh yeh lol I forgot about that as well
 
@DaveRandom no idea what exactly the noise came from, but capacitors were probably used to divert the electron beams, yeah
 
I used to have this amazing 19" Gateway 2000 CRT monitor, best monitor I ever had, still worked fine when I threw it on skip, which I only did because it's impractically for a museum piece
@AndrasDeak well I do know that the largest capacitor I have ever seen was in a CRT TV, it was easily the size of a D battery
like an old film canister
*ever seen in domestic hardware
 
10:32 PM
Ah, no, I meant capacitor as in metal plates.
 
@DaveRandom what did you think of my music suggestions? :P
(I'm kind of expecting you to say "bloody awful")
 
@AndrasDeak ah right yeh see you are a physicist who thinks about things in terms of how they work, not what you buy off a shelf :-P
I can do that with some bits of low voltage electronics but nothing complicated
 
circuit boards are what happen to other people
 
@Tiffany no, reasonable, however I was obviously pissed last night so while I do remember some of it but... no loads :-P
 
@AndrasDeak Cyborgs?
 
10:34 PM
cyborgs and being people; I'd rather not go into politics
 
resistance is futile
it's also current/voltage
 
@DaveRandom for what it's worth I remember that oscilloscopes typically only use metal plates to divert the electron beam, so they won't go poop if you play with them with magnets. CRTs had at least some static magnet components which weren't always happy about other magnets being around.
 
I have once in my life, when I didn't understand that it's quite dangerous, dismantled a CRT TV, and it had one mother of a magnet in it
or, well, a fucking huge piece of iron with coper round it that was not a transformer, anyway
 
Sounds like an electromagnet :)
 
I figured that much :-P
I may dribble and do idiotic things, but I am not actually a dribbling idiot*
* except on days ending with Y
 
10:39 PM
but the iron core in an electromagnet is not magnetic on its own I think
 
oh I see what you mean
 
but I'll stop here :D
 
no I would assume not... now what I am about to say goes back to high school so it's almost definitely wrong but afaik ferromagnetic elements all have temporary magnetism only?
(iron/nickel/cobalt I mean, that may also be wrong now, I am old)
 
maybe
pure iron definitely :)
 
yeh but isn't it something to do with requiring the electrodynamics of a molecular structure vs atoms not being able to do that... or something... I forgot
and again I may have dreamed it
 
10:42 PM
(and anything natural will have disordered magnetic domains, question is what happens if you order them with an external field and then remove the field)
 
no no no, magnetism === magic, pretty sure
 
in high school they also don't tell you about gadolinium
 
don't be linking me wikipedia holes at 10.45pm :-P
 
sorry, let me find a tvtropes article instead... :P
 
loooooool
seriously though @AndrasDeak, as much as I am genuinely enjoying this conversation I do need to sleep
because I am weak
another time though
laterz @all
 
10:48 PM
sleep well
 
@DaveRandom night
 
What are your opinions about this question? stackoverflow.com/questions/65131495/…
 
@Dharman voting ring?
 
Yeah, but apart from that
 
ah :)
 
10:56 PM
Let mods handle the voting fraud
@AndrasDeak Are you using my button by any chance?
 
yeah, and actually there's a lack of upvotes there, so probably just friends
@Dharman nah, not even sure what that is, but I don't have any userscripts
 
@MateKocsis No idea, sorry
 
@Dharman My opinion is that not a lot of people in here can be arsed to look at questions on stackoverflow :P
 
Yeah, Stack Overflow is a real kip
 
11:13 PM
@Dharman perhaps it should also check whether there's multiple question-answer pairs by the same users (which is what I noticed)
might be too heavy on quota though
 
@AndrasDeak I was going for this but the implementation side is just too much.
 
yeah, I can imagine
 
If you want you can flag the accounts again, but I flagged it once and the thing I was expecting didn't happen.
 
meh
 
BTW I think you appeared once in my voting fraud filter.
:D but I assume you just have a really huge fan.
 
11:18 PM
That's very likely, I've had multiple serial upvotes. I flagged them whenever they weren't reverted until a mod basically responded that I'm wasting their time and I should leave them alone. And ~last week I had 32 upvotes from some well-meaning idiot, all reversed. Then yesterday(?) 12 upvotes, 9 reverted (first three came 1 minute earlier, good job reversal script)
@Dharman but yeah, I seem to have a fan now. I even suspect who it is. I'll confront them if they do it a third time.
 
Yeah, 6 votes compared to how many you have is not much.
 
it's the principle
 
Actually, I think the serial voting reversal script will only revert if it is 6 in a short time
 
Yeah, but that's not enough. The 12 the other day all came a few seconds apart, first three at 10:59 and the rest at 11:00 or so...
 
I try not to flag them, unless I see that there might be a bigger pattern
Mods don't really have tools to see who votes for who. They have tools to check statistics, PII and interactions between two users. but for this there needs to be enough data to draw concrete conclusions
 
11:26 PM
I know. But there's probably also a "revert votes" button, at least I think I've seen mods do that on their own without CM intervention.
 
No, there isn't
It needs to be escalated each time to employees.
 
hmm, OK
 
They can delete users themselves though
 
that I know
 
Employees usually go through backlog twice a week now, so it's not so bad either.
 
11:30 PM
meh
 
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