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18:14
@PeeHaa I'm leaving some blank because I don't want to mess up. i.imgur.com/yALtbB3.png
1) bob
4) is the most handsome dude in that pic
5) @pmmaga
Are zend_try {} zend_catch {} basically the same as try {} catch (Throwable $ex) {} but for internals? So far the zend_catch usages I've looked at never do anything with an exception, so that's why I'm asking.
6_ @ThW
9) @leigh
18:20
I started to put that for 6 but was unsure.
11) is jay
@StatikStasis needs more circles with the colours of the Austrian flag...
:-P
@JoeWatkins and @pmmaga look the most different now compared current avatars. And ThW a little too. @Sean is a vampire- he does not age.
18:26
:-)
@StatikStasis Joe is still the same, just beardless
He looks younger now. I am afraid to shave my beard too much now. I am afraid I would look too different.
Might scare my daughter.
@Ocramius LOL!
Best I could do at work with Skitch and Word. =P
Hey guys have you tested swole on a pure php non framework aplication?
hhvm vs php 7vs swole what is better?
I love being swole.
@OtávioBarreto you'd probably get the most "hello world" RPS with swoole. It is a stateful architecture though, so be careful about it.
18:37
@Ocramius yeah should be used to replace ajax right
what if I use normal php with swole but without asynchronous request script?
would have some performance or swole only peforms well with asynchronous?
18:52
@StatikStasis Have you done a face reveal?
@Allenph Yeah a few. Umm... let me see.
@Ocramius I'm not sure that rock - paper - scissors is a valid measure for a framework.
@OtávioBarreto people round here seem to like amphp.org
@Allenph Here was one of them with my wife. i.imgur.com/jw00pc1.jpg
@Allenph And another when I was driving with my son to take him for his road test for his license. imgur.com/a/PPuAAmT
@StatikStasis Dude you have the exact same face as the scientist guy from Lost.
Really? I have never watched Lost, yet. Image?
19:01
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Faraday I bet you could unlock that guys iPhone.
Yeah a little bit. But he has more hair than me. Mine doesn't grow on my head as well anymore. =P
19:47
Your grow upside down. :P Nice images. :+1:
Good evening.
@Tpojka LOL! I grow it where I can now.
Hahaha. :D
Wes
Wes
20:23
tempted to stream the mouse trap
ftr it's a no kill mouse trap
@Wes That's no fun.
Wes
Wes
20:35
it's a cute mouse
@bwoebi this (/cc @Danack). If an author doesn't feel a point is important or needs addressing, then it is up to the voters to keep it honest. If the voters agree it needs addressing, the vote will fail. If not, the group agreed it didn't matter, no soapbox needed.
And what that means in practice is that there is one source of Truth for the RFC, the RFC itself, and one source of Truth for the discussion, the email thread. Adding additional venues for information sharing just makes it totally unaccountable and r moves the responsibility from either party (the author or the discenter)
With this "disagreement wiki page" thing, you've not only amplified the troubling voice, but you also remove any incentive for the author to understand disagreement. Before, Nikita was ignoring Stas. If Stas said something valuable and Nikita didn't respond, others could call it out on list and hold him accountable for it. Of course, Nikita could still ignore and take to a vote, but then it would be obvious to anyone who read the discussion thread he ignored important points.
But with the disagreement thread, people are further disincentivised from calling Nikita to respond, since it is clearly documented. And it can proceed to a vote without it being clear there is an actual issue (and not just a pretty disagreement, as is the case with Zeev's disagreement here)
20:59
@ircmaxell I think you guys should face it that you're wrong and need the guidance of The Great Z. Before each RFC can go to vote allow The Great Z to approve or deny a vote to occur. Then after the voting is complete, The Great Z should, again, give final approval over whether the RFC passes or fails. That way you don't mess up the PHP language. You should ask- sure he won't mind.
lol- I am laughing to myself here. I think from now on when he comes up I will feel compelled to yell "All hail, The Great Z!" Unfortunately I cannot find a gif with the scene from the beginning of Indiana Jones Lost Ark where he holds up the golden idol and the tribesmen bow down.
"but then it would be obvious to anyone who read the discussion thread he ignored important points." - I think there is an issue with people not reading the thread. (As well as not reading the RFC either) And yeah.....perhaps if people made their points more readable rather than trying to throw every small reason into why the RFC is bad rather that rambling on for ages, they might find more people read those emails.
"you also remove any incentive" - I think there is already an incentive at play (other than trying to respond to vague concerns is incredibly tiring). If the RFC author engages with people who are throwung stuff at the RFC to see what sticks, then it will make it look like there is a reasonable disagreement there.
@Danack and if the author doesn't engage, it should become obvious if there is a reasonable argument. Every time I have seen derailing with people railroading against an idea and the author not responding, it has been legitimate noise.
Different, but related subject; I think some people's behaviour is not productive. You mentioned that you think a CoC would help with that. What rule in standard CoC's would normally be applied to people who i) disagree ii) go on rants after they think their voice hasn't been heard?
"it has been legitimate noise." - I agree with that, but was thinking that by allowing people to register that disagreement elsehwhere, other people can continue to have productive conversations. e.g. the issues with the open tag RFC would have been easier to solve without people ranting in that thread.
> Since the original RFC has been vetoed
before I reply; anyone know what that is meant to mean?
@StatikStasis actually, please don't post stuff like this. Although people in this room disagree on many points, to others it looks like we are a cabal.
So making fun of people plays into that.
Sigh... understood. Deleted.
I would specific
Fucking mobile.... Sigh
Being respectful of differing viewpoints and experiences
Gracefully accepting constructive criticism
Those two specifically
And sometimes, some of it I believe crossed into: Trolling, insulting/derogatory comments, and personal or political attacks
But I think Other conduct which could reasonably be considered inappropriate in a professional setting makes a strong case about continually derailing threads with threats and "you're doing ithe process wrong" is counter to the professional execution of the project
None is a rock solid "omgwtfbbq" moment, but when combined with the mailing list rules, I think it paints a picture. And if you believe it should be more explicit, add a rule or example to clarify as specific as needed...
> telling people to follow rules that only exist in your head is not allowed.
oh :(
I mean ohai room o/
@Danack claiming authority that is not codified...
21:26
ohai o/
I think that just now have been the most embarassing moment of all of my programming activities
@FĂ©lixGagnon-Grenier Even after the switch to js?
oh yeah, lots
not even close
TL;DR; I was ignoring an error message since like two months because I thought it happened in a service far from me, whereas it was simply that I had not implemented a function in a graphql resolver.
@Danack subverting existing rules and process, derailing of the continued operation of the project ...
all this time, it was yelling at me "this.do_thing is not a function", and it never occured to me
@FĂ©lixGagnon-Grenier Welcome to micro service blame bingo? :P
@ircmaxell ....actually I think that is both needed and could be used as a reason to start a CoC discussion now. Particularly after he took my sugggestion and asked other people to start following it today. (as it shows we can't have reasonable discussions to curb the problematic behaviour).
But as I have just cracked a crick in my neck that I have needed to get out for about 10 years, time for a celebratory G'n'T.
> cracked a crick in my neck
Not sure if good or bad
So long as my head doesn't fall off, really good.
\o/
@Danack good night and feel better
21:36
need help with a Regex, to specific for stack overflow regex101.com/r/GaiFEl/1
my pattern is too greedy and I need it to match twice
Too specific for stack overflow?
Yea like it's just a debug question
Not sure I can frame it in a way that's generically helpful for everyone...
lol, that's like, so not SO's goal anymore
he says in grumply
So I should ask it on the site?
never mind me. but if you want to ask on main, make sure to actually formulate a question. what's wrong with your regex? what do you want to match, that doesn't?
21:41
Trying to frame your question might actually help you solve it
If nothing else it makes you think enough about the problem to formulate a proper question here in chat
> I need it to match twice
it
My regular expression that already captures the data in a way that's satisfactory in 90% of cases, except when it gets overeager and instead of matching twice it matches both occurrences of a match
in the example you linked, what exactly should be the two matches?
A pseudo pattern is #{rank} in {category}
@Moak try looking up "negative lookahead assertion"
so when it matches #2 in #metoo merch #4 in women fashion I was actually hoping for #2 in #metoo merch and secondly #4 in women fashion
than @ircmaxell looking that up now
22:06
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Q: How do I make my regular expression less greedy?

MoakMy regular expression that already captures the data in a way that's satisfactory in 90% of cases, except when it gets overeager and instead of matching twice it matches both occurrences of a match In a pseudo pattern I'm trying to capture #{rank} in {category} My existing patern #([0-9,]+)\s...

@FélixGagnon-Grenier are you at home by chance?
still at work
I can hear PoE calling :P
lol
I wanted to see if you would be willing to translate some... I'm guessing poorly typed French
but I won't bug you while you're at work
lol :P you can dm me, I'll be heading home somewhat soon.
I'll send on discord
22:17
k. laters
22:40
Does anyone know with confidence whether aggregated shorthand CSS properties have a different specificity vs specifying them separately with multiple properties? e.g. (and current real-world case) does margin: 0 auto have a different specificity weight than margin-top: 0; margin-right: auto; ... ?
easily googlable but would like an authoritative-ish answer and don't have time/cba reading W3C specs atm
I assume/hope that shorthand has identical semantics to long form but the W3C do like a good PoLA violation
@DaveRandom those aren't even part of the priority formula, so they shouldn't be able to be different weights.
also, tangentially related, does anyone know what the rule is for choosing from conflicting rules with identical specificity? I vaguely remember it's the logically last decl but would like confirmation of that
@Danack no way, CSS did something sane for once
thanks
@DaveRandom !important?
the most specific is inline style, I think
what I mean is, if I had .foo { width: 100px } .foo { width: 200px } which one wins?
@DaveRandom whichever is first
22:48
really? :-/
well, whichever loads first
you sure it's not last?
ffs
no yeah, you're right
...
oh good
I'm mixed up
ThW
ThW
22:49
last one, it "overwrites"
yes right good
thanks
sorry
bbiab in the middle of something
side note: fuck front end, fuck it with extra bacon
ThW
ThW
shorthand overwrites detail as well: jsfiddle.net/w03oakz9
that is why for example jQuery.css() sorts by detail level
23:10
current status: is putting ice in beer to make it cold faster a sign that I should put some order in my life or?
23:23
@FĂ©lixGagnon-Grenier Wrap it in a wet towel and put it in your freezer
yw
:P
forgot the salt :P
It works though
Wes
Wes
23:52
mouse ate but did not have enough strength or motivation to trigger the trap
now there's a piece of cheese that will trigger as soon as it touches it
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