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:/ That is confusing
Because Github is all about open source
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they say deal's done already
will be announced tomorrow
And Microsoft.... well, isn't
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how?
typescript vscode. ms is doing quite a lot of open code
I don't know I guess I always just saw them as all about licensing and close-sourcing things, I didn't realize TypeScript was by them
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@DaveRandom Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 120 seconds exceeded in C:\wamp64\www\SerialMaster\vendor\daverandom\serial\src\Device.php on line 50
but when I'm getting connection using terminal, I received data in just a sec
I thought the gif broke haha
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01:47
still no font, after hours of searching
Anonymous
02:39
Microsoft is buying github, time to migrate
@samayo old news
Just hoping they don't change anything major or do something stupid... like change something... major...
@Danack there's a "suggested" ad spot in the start menu, but it can be turned off, but still a scummy move.
@StatikStasis I want to say they know better, because they can be certain that there would be a mass migration from the platform if they do
or the changes will be minute at first, and gradually become more and more annoying
until either people "just deal with it" or say "fuck this"
Github is a platform made by programmers for programmers... if MS fucks it up, someone else will make a Github clone
Anonymous
02:59
@Tiffany just read it, i didn't notice until after I commented
:P
!!should I buy another Torchwood audio or not
You should buy another Torchwood audio.
you're a bad influence
03:23
LOL
!!dad
I'm not addicated to brake fluid I can stop whenever I want
What does "addicated" mean? @PeeHaa
!!dad
Why do crabs never give to charity? Because they're shellfish.
Contrary to popular belief, there is indeed enough Jon Skeet to go around.
03:48
This article has some good points about Microsoft's culture change over the past decade and offers lots of hope that everything at GitHub will continue on as it has been. google.com/amp/s/thenextweb.com/dd/2018/06/04/…
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night
04:59
good morn.
good afternoon
o/
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morning
0
A: Modifying a PHP class file or stub programatically

Joe WatkinsComponere Componere is a PHP 7 extension, available on pecl and documented in the PHP manual ... The code below changes the definition in the class entry table: <?php /* just making the example standalone */ class Model {} class Car extends Model { public function something() {} } ...

Morning
So, today MS will likely announce they bought GitHub. Why is everyone freaking out about it?
@Gordon No, idea. MS has been a big OSS contributor.
you must be very young
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06:12
microsoft has been antithetical to oss for the majority of it's history ...
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morno
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got some system instability yesterday so i decided to run chkdsk
it's been running for like 4 hours
@Gordon I always assumed it would be Google, if someone were ever to buy github.
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4tb total
06:14
@JoeWatkins they didn't embrace oss for along time, yes, I was talking about recent times, They seem to have been turning towards oss, maybe as a marketing policy or something. Anyway, I don't like microsoft much.
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37055720 USN bytes processed.
Usn Journal verification completed.
CHKDSK is verifying file data (stage 4 of 5)...
27 percent complete. (158906 of 873456 files processed)
still 27% lol
and still need to check C, which is another 250gb
didn't embrace ...
rallied against, spent money trying to destroy, called linux "a cancer" ... you have a very romantic view of possibly the biggest, nastiest corporation in the world ...
but that was Ballmer
I don't care what they have been doing for the last five minutes, the broad sweep of history colours my opinion, and it's not flattering ...
no, that wasn't any one person, that was corporations doing what corporations do ...
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06:24
@Gordon i'm watching it at .25 speed
I've never met an evil programmer, I know people who work at microsoft, intel engineers ... they are not evil ... you just can't say the same about the corporation they work for, they have done actually evil things, and it's difficult, approaching impossible to erase that ...
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it's not that impressive at .25 :B
e corp
magic is most impressive if you are 8
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still 27%
06:32
@Wes why would you ruin it like that?
new rule: no talking about microsoft until wednesdays ...
I'm going to be in a bad mood all day now ...
because I'm just a fancy monkey, and you've made me annoyed ....
didn't embrace ... pffft ...
I'm a linux guy, haven't used ms products for a long time, so I thought they changed and stopped hating on them.
Seems like that backfired on me :P
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#PHP is ugly? Yes, just like any other naturally evolved language in the world. Take English for example. A local Germanic dialect at first, it was influenced by Norse,Latin,French and become quite a mess. You could spell fish as ghoti, but who cares? Half the World is speakin'it
from today I shall continue to hate microsoft the rest of my life xD
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why
why do you even care?
if they change it for the worse then go ahead, but i doubt they will do anything with it
27 percent complete. (192140 of 873456 files processed)
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@2dsharp I believe you are taking it in the wrong sense, Microsoft is a corporation just like any other corporation, looking out for its interest and long-term prospects. Surely, they might have done and will do some things that aren't justified and can be considered "evil" as well, it is still not unlike most other corporations.
And you should not condemn the employees of Microsoft in this too, as they are only looking out for themselves and their own long-term prospects and don't really give a shit about the organization and its actions as a whole.
But that's just my opinion.
07:09
Anyone using CodeIgniter? I'm having trouble with AJAX data.
When I var dump it, I received the data but when I'm trying to echo it, I don't receive any data at all.
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07:31
28 percent complete. (299054 of 873456 files processed)
1 hour for 1%?
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it's a 2TB disk, magnetic
@Wes /me opens trash can, puts PHP inside and closes the lid.
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but it did the first 15% fairly quickly... probably because it's empty space
@bwoebi don't
Just saying that if it would be by speed of last measuring it would last for 30-60 hrs.
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07:36
kill me now then
well, i have only 1tb occupied on that disk, so maybe it's going to take half that time
15 hours is affordable. On Jupiter.
Bunch of small files or there is good amount of big files?
@Tpojka yeah, earth is too light. If only we could send workloads into space, wait a few sec and get multiple hours worth of work back
@bwoebi Or give work for render/compile to Matthew McConaughey when going outside the ship.
Actually no, it works opposite way. :/
yeah, you need to be the one experiencing the relativistic effects, not the processor
But that is solution. Set the disk check and go outside for smoke break.
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07:49
@bwoebi are you really that negative about php?
@Wes Only if I could put tons of other things into that trash bag as well
But PHP is by far not the worst
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<3
i wouldn't praise any language, they all suck
a reason to change language for me would be "being taken seriously" :B
apparently if you are a php programmer you cannot be taken seriously
but we don't give a damn about what others think, right
i should do like you did
"i am a c programmer, and i sometimes write php code"
> Bwoebi
PHP Developer
atavism reversion to an earlier type; throwback.
@Wes In my heart I'm still a PHP dev <3
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08:04
:D
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08:15
@DaveRandom I expect it to use getElementsByTagName() for example. But I never looked into the (libxml2) source :-)
@Gordon In the 2nd image, I really like the sysadmin role. :P
Is that C3? :D
having a problem in sockets. getting an error "Connection reset by peer php socket"
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/50659538/connection-reset-by-peer-php-socket/50661993?noredirect=1#comment88350547_50661993
anyone that know well php search engine of www.seekquarry.com
???
08:33
looking for cURL expert
"Countdown to Goodness". Oh, really. ssstttfffuuu
09:03
@JoeWatkins so, ping me please when you get some time :-)
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@ThW right, obvious now you say it, maintaining a lookup table keyed by tag name would be relatively cheap in terms of mem usage and added complexity to tree manipulation ops, and would massively reduce the complexity of most xpath resolutions
@EarvinNillCastillo now that is very unexpected
@JoeWatkins There do exist people … who write bad code on purpose … code they think only they can maintain
Morning!
Hope y'all had a good weekend
And they often fail horribly on the latter … give me a few hours and I'll decipher your horrible code
09:14
Hello
Hm, is there any way to tell PHP to use the first instance of a kv pair in $_GET instead of the last when 2 have the same key name?
@Sean no, have fun parsing the REQUEST_URI yourself
^
however, that's actually not that hard or expensive
and you can overwrite $_GET with the result
so it's hacky but totally doable without needing to extensively modify existing code
rip, love URL rewriting.
I don't know if http_parse_query() from pecl/http might give you more flexibility
09:21
@bwoebi I sometimes do that, and its not really on purpose or as an evil intention, but just cause I'm too damn lazy. :D
@mega6382 I'm talking a level worse than just lazy code
@bwoebi tbh there is (imho) a solid-ish argument for doing this anyway, because of the fact that parse_str() mangles keys
any cURL expert ?
@bwoebi Well, I don't do that, as my laziness doesn't allow me to burden myself with unnecessary work, that someone else can do.
@DaveRandom it does, but it does typically not affect you as you then just rename the key
09:23
Oh, I mean I could just use REQUEST_URI instead of trying to take it from a rewritten request url right. That probably solves it
@SagarVirpara nobody will answer you "Don't ask to ask, just ask" from the guidelines #FYI
@Sean is this a QSA related problem?
Yeah
yeh, then just put the data in the path instead of a new query param
The XY is that urls can be written as /foo/bar?do=/baz, which becomes ?do=/foo/bar&do=/baz, which is then read from GET and uses /baz instead.
09:26
/foo/bar?rwdo=/baz and $do = $_GET['rwdo'] ?? $_GET['do']
@Sean instead of 'REQUEST_URI' you can probably also use 'QUERY_STRING'
@Sean what is the condition that adds that param though?
@DaveRandom Nothing, there's no collisions right now. I just don't like having it publicly usable & perhaps doing something unexpected in future if someone drops it in a form key
@bwoebi tbh it would be really good to fix that in 8, it feels like a hangover of register_globals
@DaveRandom because that's what it is.
09:30
@Sean I am just generally not a fan of URL rewriting tbh, I assume there's no scope for trashing that whole layer?
@DaveRandom why does it happen
I need to fetch the response from the URL but for that I need to send another request first so I am not able to find it out which request is going first and what parameters has to be sent
@DaveRandom Would it just be fine to not need to rewrite the url as a query string and take it from $_SERVER['REQUEST_URI'] instead? Is that what you're saying?
Morning
o/
09:34
Unrelated, any conferences coming up that are looking tasty?
\o
@Sean generally what I do is I have my web server config structured so that if the requested URI does not exist under docroot, the request is routed to launcher.php (which is outside doc root) and all the routing logic is done in PHP
@Sean how far do you want to travel? cascadiaphp.com
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bayer bought monsanto
microsoft buying github, hold my beer
@DaveRandom Aye, PHP has control of the routing thankfully. It all goes through a single point
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that's much more worrying
09:36
I need to fetch the response from the URL but for that I need to send another request first so I am not able to find it out which request is going first and what parameters has to be sent
@Tiffany you can ignore that layer, it's an artifact of that fact that all the opengrok-related data is stored on a separate partition
Yeah, I am.. concerned :V @ MS & github
@Sean so in that case you don't need to do any rewriting at all, you should be able to put all that logic into your router, probably in a much more readable and much more efficient form
anyone that had been worked for yioop search engine :seekquarry.com
@Sean Something like this can probably help, but I am sure of its scope and in which cases it might fail. Anyway, here 3v4l.org/o6h2O
09:44
@bwoebi another question to which the answer is almost certainly no: is there any way to determine (in userland, at run time) whether the previous stack frame is is strict_types mode? Use case is being able to cast/throw appropriately when string[] arg contains a non-string element
@DaveRandom not really what you want but, I did add it to Reflection so at least there would be a way to tell from userland. Never pushed for it though, still have to make a PR out of it
@DaveRandom Reflection does not contain any information about strict types, so only choice would be parsing the file the previous stack frame is contained in
ugh
no worries, ty anyway
@pmmaga I think this is a good idea, please PR it
09:48
uh ... to ReflectionType?!
why not to ReflectionFunctionAbstract?
yeh that ^ is what I would expect
It's a property of the function, not the types itself
@bwoebi although how does that work with main()?
you can't get a ref to that I don't think
@DaveRandom We'd need ReflectionFile!
yeah, so that's where the discussion went. Where exactly it belonged. Someone suggested even it belonged in the file IIRC
09:51
but seriously, in normal operation files are only retained as long as the file exist ...
@bwoebi is it legal to have multiple block-syntax declare() { /* code */ } in a file?
but yeah, I guess the function would make the most sense for now
@DaveRandom yes, but not for strict_types
(and encoding)
I need to fetch the response from the URL but for that I need to send another request first so I am not able to find it out which request is going first and what parameters has to be sent
09:54
@bwoebi where is it stored internally? does it get attached to DO_FCALL or something?
@DaveRandom op_array
yeh there's no sane way to expose that with the same semantics I guess
ugh
what about adding a new key to debug_backtrace() /cc @pmmaga?
(as well as the ReflectionFunctionAbstract change)
Well, that'd be the only way to access all information, yes
seems like sensible info to include there, given that it already includes stuff like -> vs ::
yeah I agree
09:59
any idea how it should actually look like?
just a key strict_types in debug_backtrace() args
And bool ReflectionFunctionAbstract::usesStrictTypes()
sounds good. :) I'll try to pick that up soon
how can check if a string is in this form
!!docs preg_match
<any character or number but '.'>.<any character or number but '.'>
10:04
[ preg_match() ] Perform a regular expression match
thanks
^ those 3 links contain all the info you need :-)
thank you very much
(.+)(\.)(.+)
I just need to exclude the dots on the sides now
How come you get a TypeError thrown if null is returned from a function that has a return type, even if you haven't declared script types?
@Aurelius provide an example and the expected result.
10:12
<any character or number but '.'>.<any character or number but '.'>
asjdbhaisudbiu.aisubdhiasubdi
@Aurelius what you want is a "negated character class", check out the second link I gave for that (the regular-expressions.info one)
)(U)A(S89y3294h.a)(AYD)HA)
@jjok because in PHP reference types are not implicitly nullable
which is easy to forget if you are used to C#/Java
i.e. you have declare the function as function foo(): ?Type
@bwoebi wouldn't it be better to match the declaration and have ReflectionFunctionAbstract::getStrictTypes and return 1, just in case we ever have declare(strict_types=2); @pmmaga
@Danack you're right
10:17
@Danack indeed. :int is a bit more future proof
Also, a very nice subtle joke.
+1, despite the fact that I really hope we never have declare(strict_types=2);
declare(strict_types=1.3333333333);
@DaveRandom But if you're not using script types, I would expect it to coerce to what type was declared.
@jjok you can't coerce null to an object reference
again, I suspect you are thinking in Java or C# :-P
for better or worse, null is it's own type in PHP
10:24
@DaveRandom var_dump((string) null); Does what I'd expect though.
yes, but that's not a reference type
:S
yup :-P
there is a clearly defined conversion path from null to the empty string, it's not clear how you would create an instance of an arbitrary class from "no value" though
Is it just something that should be documented on secure.php.net/manual/en/functions.returning-values.php?
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was cleaning up the bookmarks and i had this bookmarked
not deleting it obviously
10:28
Whoa at least mark as NSFW
@jjok probably, also I don't seem to be able to find any docs for ?Type syntax including on the args page
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@Sean that guy goes to work every day with that face and presumably nobody marks him as not safe for work :B
A specific page documenting type nullability semantics is probably in order, it's a sufficiently complex topic that is not intuitive to people coming from other languages, especially OO-first strongly typed languages
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lol
I mean it might be weird but it's not quite r11 weird.
10:34
ftr @jjok (once you understand the rules) I do actually think PHP does this better than other languages, in that implicitly nullable reference types mean that your code is littered with if (foo == null) tests, whereas in PHP you can be 100% certain that a value will always contain something unless the signature explicitly allows a value to be null
The lack of a functioning [NotNull] in C# is one of my biggest annoyance with it
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which is faster, build a docbook to markdown converter, or manually copypasta the php documentation to markdown?
@Wes I will say the former with a high degree of confidence
but I will also say that I don't want the docs to be in md
I'm not married to docbook, but it needs something with stronger semantics than md
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docs are php doc stubs, like @param @return etc
oic
I would still go with a programmatic converter
but surely that already exists
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it does?
10:39
I've never actually used phpdoc.org but it has been around for a looooooong time
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i mean phpbook to php stubs converter. i doubt that exists
umm sorry what? :-P
gist example input and output? @Wes
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docbook
the xml format used by php.net to /** phpdoc */
@Wes oh are you trying to generate stubs for php storm?
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i am considering making an alternative php.net
10:43
you should probably look at the phpdoc build tools
I'm not sure exactly how it works, but it's pluggable in that it can output in arbitrary formats
We're seeing 10x the normal daily amount of repositories #movingtogitlab https://www.dropbox.com/s/uzg9vc5oljr8lin/Screenshot%202018-06-03%2015.52.52.png?dl=0 We're scaling our fleet to try to stay up. Follow the progress on https://monitor.gitlab.net/dashboard/db/github-importer?orgId=1 and @movingtogitlab
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people are so infantile lol
@Wes am not. U R!
@DaveRandom ^([^\.]+)(\.)([^\.]+)$
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10:47
@DaveRandom it's going to take ages, that xml format is a mess
@Danack no u
NO U.
U TIEMS TEN
@Wes yes, but it is a canonical reference source, and (more on point) PHD un-messes it quite a lot before it passes it to renderers
^[^.]+(\.)[^.]+$
this should be the best one thanks
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10:49
ftr @DaveRandom this is the "phpdocumentor" thingy i'm writing (/** phpdoc */ to webpage) i.imgur.com/z2ThKBT.png
@Aurelius better, but you don't need the () around the \.
With 124 thousand employees, at 21€ per Month for the largest Github plan, Microsoft buying Github is the equivalent of pre-paying ~6,5 years of licenses in advance. ;-)
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i tried to run it on phpstorm's php stubs but its not actually the same as php.net
@DaveRandom It just seems weird that it does it even you haven't declared strict types.
@Wes at lunch I will look at how practical it would be to create a sort of pluggable proxy layer between phd that will invoke custom code by passing reflection-like data structures into it
10:51
thanks ^[^\.\r\n]+\.[^\.\r\n]+$
I also added the line breaks
@Aurelius I suspect you would want \s rather than \r\n (as I'm guessing you don't want to allow any sort of whitespace?)
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i have no idea how phd works but it's so cumbersome
don't waste time on it
@jjok it only seems weird because you are used to languages that consider null to be a valid value for any reference type. Conversely, having started in PHP, it took me a long time to get used to the idea that I need to check for null all the time
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documentation must be cleaned anyway... i mean there are still tons of pages that mention php 4
(I think)
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10:54
it's much simpler with copypasta imho
@DaveRandom exactly ^[^\.\s]+\.[^\.\s]+$ thank you
OK well good luck with that, it may be "simpler" but sheer quantity makes it impractical IMO, and also having a single canonical reference source seems like too big a benefit to ignore
is it better to use \. or just . ?
@Aurelius they both mean different things. So, you decide according to what you want
o/
11:02
HI guys
what is the difference between
function returnVal($val) {
        return $this->{$val};
    }
@Aurelius in a character class you don't need escape a dot. Everywhere else you do.
function returnVal($val) {
        return $this->$val;
    }
there is curly bracket around variable
result is same..
but is there any advantage of using curly bracket.
?
@Exception in general it's better to avoid dynamic member access entirely. If you must do it, use curly brackets
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mornin
11:05
The reason is simply that $this->$val looks like it might be a typo, but $this->{$val} makes it more obvious that it's intentional
@DaveRandom sorry I didnt get dynamic member access
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yeah use curly brakets because $this->$foo is a shit syntax
@Exception as in, don't do $this->$name
refer to members explicitly with $this->foo and $this->bar
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$this->{$foo} is terrible but at least it's clear what it does
@Exception I would strongly advise against use of variable-variables in any form
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11:06
that goes with any kind of variable variable
^
there are very occasionally uses for it, but usually you should just use an array instead
guys can you please elaborate what exactly you are trying to say
the "very occasional" uses are usually related to interfacing with unmodifiable external/legacy code
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switch(..){
case .. $this->a; case .. $this->b case .. $this->c; case .. $this->d;
}
vs
$this->{$letter}
@Exception which part of "don't use variable-variables" is confusing to you?
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11:09
i'm not sure in those cases the switch is better
@Wes looks more a like a symptom of earlier design mistakes
I usually need dynamic properties for mapping from array keys to object properties
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@tereško believe it or not sometimes you have to use that stuff
It's mostly a bad thing to use, but sometimes it's practical
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11:14
in fact i just wrote one. if(e instanceof HTMLAnchorElement){}else if(e instanceof HTMLButtonElement){ }else if( ........ ){}
@Wes Give me an anchored button please
@DaveRandom what do you mean? @mega6382 what's the difference?
@Aurelius in a character class, . just matches a literal . but everywhere else . has a special meaning
@Aurelius What he means and what the difference is that if you write it like ^[^.\s]+\.[^.\s]+$, it will be ok. But if you remove the `` from before the . in the middle, it will start matching any character.
i.e. /[.]foo/ will only match '.foo' but /.foo/ will match 'afoo' or 'bfoo' or '!foo' or...
11:20
@tereško this is not great example. But this is what given in my code which I dont understand.. 3v4l.org/VUke3
@Exception if you really need a map with arbitrary keys, do this instead: 3v4l.org/ab1Z5
don't dynamically access object properties, use an actual map
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30 percent complete. (813834 of 873456 files processed) what a mistake this was
@Wes What are you trying to do anyway?
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chkdsk on a 2TB disk. should've launched it while offline
@DaveRandom thats pretty cool but I am using legacy code where it is written.I wanted to know why it was being ? what is the advantage of using it?
11:27
@Exception there isn't one, it was written by someone who thought they were being clever#
^ that
but, irresponsible
@DaveRandom haha..
"Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it." - Brian W. Kernighan.
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@DaveRandom /me, writing the watchpoints code for phpdbg
@Wes hmmm, how many hours has it been?
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more than 7 hours so far. the disk is only half full so maybe it's close to finishing
Did you check online afterwards to make sure if it is suppose to take that long, and whether you configured it correctly?
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yes
Because, of what I am reading from a quick search is that, it could even take days if faults are found, in trying to fix those.
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11:32
it's correct for a 5.4k rpm disk
@DaveRandom may be less knowledge of php dragged that developer to use this syntax..
@Wes Anyway, I want to ask you something, as I have often seen that you are quite good with frontend. I was thinking if you could tell me where I could find some free html templates for like a corporate looking website. I have tried colorlib and haven't found anything interesting.
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use a bootstrap template?
hmm, ok, thanks. Its just that I want to throw something together quickly without having to do much configuration or whatever, for my personal site, that I am trying to build.
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start with a simple layout and improve it over time
11:40
@Exception I highly doubt there is anyone in this room who has not made a similar mistake at some point. It is one of those lessons that is only really truly learned by experience.
haha .. indeed
@PeeHaa github.com/PeeHaa/mailgrab … I wished this were a production grade postfix and sendmail replacement...
This one's in the codebase I'm working on : /

```
public function __construct(array $values_arr)
{
foreach($values_arr as $key => $value) {
## Set function name
$function = $key.'Set';

## Set our properties from the passed parameter
$this->$function($value);
}
}
```
/me shrugs
@jjok mixed feelings about that. Might make sense in a component that is specifically designed to be an entity data mapper, although I wouldn't write it in the ctor like that.
11:51
@jjok this is even worse than his.
and definitely that sort of magical logic needs to be segregated in a component that is specifically designed to do magic
Yeah. There's no need for it at all in this situation. Just someone trying to be clever, or thinking they could save a few lines of code.
@DaveRandom do you write any blog over PHP?
no, I would sort of like to but I don't have the time and I am chronically bad at not finishing things
I personally think, you must start doing it because this will give many developers many ways to think differently while writing code and optimize it (if necessary)..
@tereško this is for you as well..
11:57
too much effort
@Exception Most of what these guys say can already be found on one blog or another. The ideas that are suggested here aren't some unorthodox practices, but are quite mainstream nowadays. So, you can pretty much find some decent articles on these issues, if you were to google a little.

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