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12:14 AM
Mail_mime – #76106
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier if you have any questions about ONI, feel free to ask :D
 
:D just got a first lump of "polluted dirt"
this game is quite funny
rushing farming to get rid of it
 
a free hint: algae terrariums are a trap
 
as in, no go?
 
they take up enormous amounts of water and algae and produce ... basically noting useful
 
12:25 AM
noted
 
1:07 AM
@tereško what's your early game oxygen generation then? Not sure I'll be having a working electrolyzer in time
 
Algae Deoxydizer
@FélixGagnon-Grenier you will need one per 4 duplicants
 
out of algae...
 
Did you burn it all in terrariums?
In that case, electrolizer is your only option, @FélixGagnon-Grenier
 
nah, all in deoxydizer
oh lol
so... yeah, everybody's dead
 
🤣
 
1:21 AM
maybe the plan is to contain the oxygen
 
You should not expand too fast and you should use airlocks
And you can find additional algae in iron biom
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier playing Astroneer?
 
Oxygen Not Included
 
@Ocramius no he's just growing a lot of weed.
 
lol
well, that's kinda the aim of the game
 
1:25 AM
... it is also available in slime biom, but desease will kill you
 
there's a game?
 
Wes
1:41 AM
morn
 
evening
 
fml wakeup in 3 hrs @_@
 
o_O
insomnia?
 
Wes
2:06 AM
it's not "wakeup" if you didn't actually sleep :B
 
good morning.
 
@tereško Why not just use DB unit?
Seems like a lot of work to maintain those files.
Because of schema changes.
 
 
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4:22 AM
@tereško what was the name of the sci-fi book series you recommended? You said it wasn't dystopian like most sci-fi... looking for something new to read
Ugh, I need to go to sleep
 
4:57 AM
Happy saturday all .
 
Happy Saturday
 
posted on March 17, 2018

New Cyanide and Happiness Comic

 
Wes
morn2
 
5:30 AM
o/
 
5:51 AM
\o
 
Wes
6:24 AM
o/
 
6:45 AM
SplFileInfo returns incorrect information on large file in 32bit architecture – #76107
 
Sk_
7:29 AM
Hey Guys,
How to refresh a JWT token when it expired ?
 
7:45 AM
error in build filter with array – #76108
 
8:00 AM
craic fun and entertainment, especially good conversation and company (often preceded by the): Come for the beer, lads, and stay for the craic!
 
8:39 AM
Oh, @rdlowrey is here.
 
hi
 
9:30 AM
lies @kelunik
 
@JoeWatkins Chat says seen 24s ago.
 
Wes
10:05 AM
@kelunik in the namespace menu, how do you think the symbols in the namespace should be ordered?
group by class/trait/exception/function
or alphabetically?
 
11:02 AM
!!urban lads
 
[ lad ] A lad is a male who specialises in creating and distributing exquisite banter. Though most lads are youngish (late teens and early twenties) age is not a defining characteristic and you will find both young lads and old lads. Some special skills of lads include, but are not limited to the following: - Binning Pints - Exposing genitalia and getting naked in public places - Throwing up after copious alcohol consumption - Spousal Abuse - Getting kicked out…
 
ah I see
 
despite the name, urban dictionary is not a real dictionary.
 
just one thing, will you receive a notification when I ping Jeeves ?
 
11:06 AM
me? no.
 
ah ok :-)
 
if you want to know the meaning of a word, either use google translate and translate to farsi or use an authoritative dictionary like merriam webster or oxford dictionary. urban dictionary is completely user contributed and most of it is tongue-in-cheek
 
yeah got it
isn't Jeeves connect to either "google.translate" or "merriam" ? if it is, how can I call it?
!!google lads
 
Search for "lads -site:w3schools.com" (https://www.google.com/search?q=lads+-site%3Aw3schools.com&lr=lang_en)
• Urban Dictionary: Lad - Lad: An australian youth subculture centred around individuals who hang out in gangs, engage in pet… (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Lad)
• Urban Dictionary: the lads - Refers to a mixed gender social group, i.e. work, school, etc, in Ireland. gang. (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=the%20lads)
• the lads Meaning in the Cambridge English Diction… - the lads meaning, definition, what is the lads: used to refer to the group of
 
!!google.translate lads
!!merriam lads
 
11:10 AM
we dont have a plugin for merriam or oxford
!!translate iri lads
 
@Gordon Sorry, I don't speak lads
 
ah ok .. I will use them directly
 
!!? define:lads
 
Search for "define:lads -site:w3schools.com" (https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Alads+-site%3Aw3schools.com&lr=lang_en)
• Urban Dictionary: Lad - Lad: An australian youth subculture centred around individuals who hang out in gangs, engage in pet… (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Lad)
• Urban Dictionary: the lads - Refers to a mixed gender social group, i.e. work, school, etc, in Ireland. gang. (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=the%20lads)
• the lads Meaning in the Cambridge English Diction… - the lads meaning, definition, what is the lads: used to refer
@Gordon Sorry, I don't speak farsi
@Gordon Sorry, I don't speak iri
 
!!? define:lads site:dictionary.cambridge.org
 
11:11 AM
Search for "define:lads site:dictionary.cambridge.org -site:w3schools.com" (https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Alads+site%3Adictionary.cambridge.org+-site%3Aw3schools.com&lr=lang_en)
• the lads Meaning in the Cambridge English Diction… - the lads meaning, definition, what is the lads: used to refer to the group of men that a young man… (https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/the-lads)
• the lads Definition in the Cambridge English Dict… - the lads definition, meaning, what is the lads: used to refer to the group of men that a young man… (https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us
 
or use what @JoeWatkins just used
given my skill with how to use @Jeeves's plugins, I am better off going to the sites directly
 
11:31 AM
 
11:42 AM
morning
 
morning
 
o/
I probably should try doing something productive, instead of playing ONI the entire day
 
Well, its Saturday, live a little.
 
12:00 PM
!!dad
 
I hate jokes about german sausages They're the wurst
 
:P
@Linus I am gonna enjoy this. :)
 
Wes
12:33 PM
heyo
 
@Ekin @Tiffany buy some books
 
Morgen
 
Wes
12:52 PM
mornes
 
Hey Wesley o/
 
\o
 
o/
 
Wes
yo
 
1:34 PM
@JoeWatkins can you delegate a 7.2 windows build for the libui wrapper to somebody? <3
 
Anyone who wants to build GUI apps with PHP should be forced to go through compiling the extension themselves =P
 
:)
 
 
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3:14 PM
I think I have destroyed @Félix's plans for the next week or so
 
... yes. damn it.
And I had bought that machine learning book to read in the weekend
 
MUAHAHAHA
 
Why what happened?
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier Which one?
 
@NikiC Machine Learning Algorithms, Giuseppe Bonaccorso
... I'm open to suggestions, I'm not quite sure how to approach this
@mega6382 I bought Oxygen Not Included
 
3:30 PM
@FélixGagnon-Grenier Is it any good?
 
yes, quite
 
Wes
> noughties
been looking for that word for a while :P
 
lol
@tereško I bought the first book of Last Fleet last night and stayed up until 2am reading it...
 
Wes
what word do you use in the us for "noughties" ? :B "2 thousands" or "20 hundreds"?
 
@Tiffany any good?
 
3:45 PM
@Wes noughties? naughties?
@tereško yes, liking it so far. I thought you read it?
 
Wes
noughties
 
wtf is that
 
@Tiffany have ... couple times
 
Wes
nought = 0, noughties = 00s
eighties, nineties, noughties
80s, 90s, 00s
 
what, like Gen Z?
 
3:46 PM
could we just all it "age of millenials" ?
 
Wes
:B
 
oh, people say "two thousand and <number>"
I've taken to saying "twenty <number>"
 
Wes
what's the largest in terms of files/classes namespace you have?
 
dammit, I finished my breakfast already :<
it was yummy
(yummy as in coated with high fructose corn syrup)
 
Wes
you guys eat too much sugar
also corn syrup is not particularly tasty :B
ever tried doing marmalade at home? :B
 
Wes
4:01 PM
would it be good or bad if the list of classes in a namespace (like the column here php.net/manual/en/class.reflectionclass.php) would show not only the name but also a short description of the classes?
i.imgur.com/SrizJVW.png or i.imgur.com/irLhrxA.png (it's a sidebar) cc @kelunik @PeeHaa
problem of the description is, if the namespace contains a lot of classes, menu's going to be super long
 
 
2 hours later…
5:38 PM
evening room.
 
 
1 hour later…
6:43 PM
nite all and have happy Sunday o/
 
6:58 PM
Guys, just a quick check on opinion.
Say I wanted a rating system where users could rate something out of five stars
What would be the best way to calculate the average?
I was thinking to store every single rating in the database for each item, but potentially thousands of people could rate it and this would get very long
Is there something more simpler
 
@Wes At max one line truncated with "…"
 
7:40 PM
@TheCodesee Store the sum of the ratings, and the number of ratings. Then the mean is a simple calculation
 
@TheCodesee where is the problem?
 
8:00 PM
Hey, is there a way to catch, in the code, a flag that was passed to the CLI? Like:
>php file.php --some-flag
 
but also there are libraries for running command line apps that parse those into flags and options.
 
@Danack Oh, true, $argv, thanks :)
@Danack I want to add an option to our run-tests.php to stop the execution of the tests in case of a failure, like --stop-on-failure from PHPUnit
 
> Files SHOULD either declare symbols (classes, functions, constants, etc.) or cause side-effects (e.g. generate output, change .ini settings, etc.) but SHOULD NOT do both.
Is that like, the abstract class declares symbols, and the class that implements it causes side-effects?
Or am I way off?
Also \o g'devening PHP
 
<?php

class foo {}

new foo();
@Alesana stuff like that. declaring a class and executing code.
 
Ah I see, so the class still outputs stuff but you don't actually initiate the class or output anything in the file that declares the class?
Oh I feel stupid, I just had to scroll down the page and it explained it further
 
8:40 PM
I wish I had heard of these FIG standards earlier, I always knew there had to be standards I just thought they were unspoken
 
9:24 PM
@Alesana They're not really standards.
For the most part they are just a bunch of framework authors who work together to create somewhat compatible code and code styles.
Many of their decisions are based on how code is today and how it might be tomorrow, and not really trying to make leaps and bounds. That's how it seems whenever I've interacted with them, anyway.
 
@Wes A, but I have to see it in a page
 
happy weekends to all of you
 
9:42 PM
@LeviMorrison Ah thanks for the clarification. It does seem that they follow what most code I've seen looks like, so for me not knowing what code should look like it really helps. This assessment I'm doing requires my code to follow PSR standards
 
That's not to say they don't have value. I was just pointing out that they are more on the "recommendations" side than "standards" side.
 
Right
 
10:04 PM
there is a limited amount of PSR's from FIG
as the number at the PSR grows, the relevance diminishes
 
I didn't read them all, but I was able to easily able to pick out the ones that would be most helpful for me to write uniform code.
 
@Wes it's funny, I said that, and I checked hte syrup bottle. The front says "no high fructose corn syrup" but in the ingredients it has liquid sugar and corn syrup. Like that's any better.
 
@Alesana only 1st and 2nd define the code style. And you could argue that 4th (autoloading) also has impact on style. The rest define the interfaces.
 
Those are pretty much the ones I read, 0, 1, 2, and 4, then the meta ones for those. If I were making a framework I'd read the others.
 
10:31 PM
no, @Alesana, if you were to think about making a framework, you should visit this chat room and ask for a sufficiently solid brick to beat your head with
 
@tereško :P Have you tried previously?
 
yes, when I was a lot younger
it's a pointless waste of effort
 
I'm sure you gained experience
 
having a monolithic framework makes it quite useless in practice
in real world what you will use in a larger projects will be separate packages
 
Right, but I suppose you can use it for your own projects
 
10:35 PM
which you add to any given project using composer
@Alesana why?
 
If I were to make a monolithic framework, it would be specific to what I need and how I program.
 
making a decent framework will take something like 6 months, and it will not be your first attempt
but, oh well, fuck it, you already have made up you mind, so there is no fucking point of me wasting time to impart any of my past experience
 
I'm not making a framework :P
> If I were making a framework I'd read the others.
I can recognize I don't have near enough skills to make any meaningful/useful framework
I still haven't used a framework, taking some people's advice on here
 
10:57 PM
Hey guys I'm starting to get crazy over something. I'm on mac, trying to reinstall php71 with brew.
Whenever i run `php -v` I got this error.
PHP Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/local/Cellar/php71/7.1.14_25/lib/php/extensions/no-debug-non-zts-20160303/php_intl.dll' - dlopen(/usr/local/Cellar/php71/7.1.14_25/lib/php/extensions/no-debug-non-zts-20160303/php_intl.dll, 9): image not found in Unknown on line 0

Warning: PHP Startup: Unable to load dynamic library '/usr/local/Cellar/php71/7.1.14_25/lib/php/extensions/no-debug-non-zts-20160303/php_intl.dll' - dlopen(/usr/local/Cellar/php71/7.1.14_25/lib/php/extensions/no-debug-non-zts-20160303/php_intl.dll, 9): image not found in Unknown on line 0
SO, I check php --ini and I comment out every line which mention intl in bot extension.in and php.ini
I restart apache
And run again -v
But nothing change
What the heck ?
 
does mac even use .dlls?
 
I can't asnwer you but I guess since it seems to be downloaded :/
 
@Tiffany no it cannot
 
@Baldráni maybe try building your php.ini file from scratch
 
Meeh yeah maybe
 
11:05 PM
it's not that hard, actually. I did it a while back on a server, it was kind of nice, because I had a better understanding of what does what
 
What have you taken as base ?
 
fuck, this is annoying
 
If someone asks me to complete a "quick coding challenge for us to review", then they say "Given [...] detect [...].", then they say "zip up your package and send it back to me", would you think they are wanting a package that can be used in an application, or an application that showcases my solution?
 
I can't decide whether it's worth the time investment to find communities, that will have the information, that I need (it's regarding books I want to find)
 
@tereško It shouldn't be too hard, once you find the community you just ask and wait
 
11:09 PM
duuh
 
@Baldráni just whatever php installed default with
@Alesana I suppose it would depend on the complexity of the thing they want you to do
or if there are any other red flags
 
It's fairly simple, which always scares me
 
don't overthink their intentions
 
I mean to say, the simplicity makes me think I am missing something, not that their intentions are wrong
 
oooh
 
11:21 PM
I would think that an application would better showcase my knowledge. It's just an interface with 3 classes that implement it, and the only hard requirement is that it has a method that returns the correct value. I guess it looks like a package
 
11:49 PM
I can't wait to get my tax return, buying a new mattresssss
The current one I've had since my mom was alive and it's twin size
 
I know how you feel, I've been sleeping on a slowly deflating air mattress for the past week
 
bleh, I'm sorry
 
It's not much worse than a twin though, and much more temporary as it sounds :P
 
depends on the air mattress I guess
I have slept on some comfortable ones, and I have slept on some crap ones
 

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