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Anonymous
12:00
:B
Let's fuckin create a hacker group and fuck finance sector...
www1.checkout.com works still fine :D
Nothing malicious here :)
Except that the menu is... empty
@mertyildiran support decentralized currencies/tech and you might achieve the same results without malice :_)
12:01
@CoderDudeTwodee Yes. Although if you follow fig you may want to do the loggerawareinterface thing
I FOUND THE BUG!!!!111eleven
But I am not that big a fan of that
actually it wasnt a bug. it was a performance improvement. but it ignored the reality that is customers.
@mertyildiran I kinda need the financial sector. Because well.. money
@JayIsTooCommon It wasn't me, but I hope they didn't either
12:03
It's probably just a thin frontend anyway. No way anybody does actual financial stuff on wordpress :-)
Seems down now.
Anonymous
@MadaraUchiha ping
checkout.com is down
>.>
So er... those screenshots above. Who can delete them :D
@HamZa yeah dude I'm dreaming a DNA based digital currency with universal basic income. Let's implement it and dictate it to world...
12:06
@MadaraUchiha You around?
@Jimbo It's all logged anyway. :P
Ah, aids
@Jimbo I didn't even used VPN to install Wordpress to checkout.com. Did you use VPN while doing that?
@mertyildiran Wasn't me, but nope!
12:08
lol "wasn't me"
riiiiiite :P
We will all go to jail anyway...
@JayIsTooCommon @Jimbo done
Shiiiit
I am not even 18 yet.
Anonymous
@MadaraUchiha :P thanks.
I have seen things
12:09
@mertyildiran So you did that?
@JayIsTooCommon For what?
@kelunik no I just realized the situtation.
Anonymous
@MadaraUchiha for just being here, always lighten up the room.
I still have the picture I guess?
@JayIsTooCommon Aww shucks
12:10
then I installed a website called "Asdasd" and it went back that's all...
Howdy Laravel
to make it clear; I did not fucked up their website it was already fucked up when I first saw...
@mertyildiran Relax, it was just a wordpress install. They don't delete anything
Ohai our lost brother @Dan
Anonymous
@PeeHaa whatsapp
@Jimbo a meme for you :D
What's the default wordpress username? I am doing that to my school website.
Anonymous
@CoderDudeTwodee google.
user924016
@CoderDudeTwodee there is none
user924016
12:17
you set it when you install it
@CoderDudeTwodee use wpscan if you want to be a script kiddy :P
user924016
@CoderDudeTwodee perhaps yourdomoain.tld/wp-json/wp/v2/users will help you rmember
I wish I sent an email to them. But instead I brought all the people on StackOverflow and Gitter to checkout.com
@RonniSkansing Wait wat
All users a public?
user924016
@PeeHaa yep
user924016
12:20
before they added the rest thing
oooooohkaaaay
user924016
you could do
user924016
author?id=1..2..3
oh yeah right. I have seen that before
user924016
But yea their rest api is a bit funny
user924016
12:21
like wp-json/wp/v2/media "often" leaks private docs, images, backups and what not
Yes, but docs / uploads are public in 99% of the cases any way
user924016
yep
user924016
Anyways back to some fallouis
12:34
!!lxr VCWD_REALPATH
[ /Zend/zend_virtual_cwd.h#257 ] #define VCWD_REALPATH(path, real_path) virtual_realpath(path, real_path)
V = very? :P
oh READ DAMNIT
12:50
Checkout's back, yay
@Jimbo I liked the previous version better though :P
Feel like a downgrade
Anonymous
@Jimbo patched?
Anonymous
@Wes OI
Dan
Dan
@PeeHaa oh hai dere
Anonymous
@Wes piiinggg
13:05
!!version
morning
Anonymous
github have changed their syntax highlighting colours.. I swear they do this just to get some trending
Anonymous
yo ekins
o/ I haven't noticed
Anonymous
13:08
Anonymous
yeah it's brighter, or I'm having a stroke. One of the two
Anonymous
@Wes oiii
13:26
!!lxr stream_socket_enable_crypto
[ /ext/standard/streamsfuncs.c#1497 ] PHP_FUNCTION(stream_socket_enable_crypto)
13:59
morning
I'm teaching a minecraft class, they were building a huge building, then they got bored, so I made them a survival world to go ham in
Minecraft is a pretty good babysitter
nerf guns too
this is true, but I can't make an "educational" class around nerf guns
Minecraft has SOME educational value
@Tiffany You're just not trying hard enough
Survival of the fittest is a valuable lesson
target practice
or dodge the nerf bullets
I'm not sure the college would appreciate it though :P
@Tiffany have you seen education.minecraft.net yet?
14:05
yeah, that's what we're using
also, Microsoft pretty much ruined MinecraftEDU
it's not polished at all
we ran into so many problems trying to get it prepared
Anonymous
American I think
hmmm I might install xampp on this computer and dink around
not much else I can do, and i don't feel like playing Minecraft
@Tiffany why xampp? :/
@Patrick I'm on a teacher computer that has limited resources
plus it's hosting Minecraft for ten kids right now, so I don't want to use a VM
Morning.
14:14
I guess I could use the builtin webserver through PHP
^ this and sqlite. if you just want to play around a bit
Anonymous
@Tiffany are you actually a teacher or just supervising?
Anonymous
@LeviMorrison o/
@JayIsTooCommon technically teacher but this class is not a typical class
sounds more like a babysitter
14:15
yeah, pretty much babysitter right now
Anonymous
yeah, I've never heard of a teacher sticking the kids on minecraft while chilling :P
the class is "Let's build something huge in Minecraft!"
Anonymous
what's the subject?
build a huge ass building in Minecraft until they're bored then I make another survival world they can play around in
Anonymous
No, what subject are you supposed to be teaching? IT?
14:16
to be completely honest, this class is just "pay us money so your kids can play minecraft with other kids"
the next class is programming
I'm teaching two different classes
Anonymous
So the subject of the classes is supposed to be programming?
the next class
Anonymous
what's the subject of the current class? There must be a subject, surely it's not just minecraft?
there are two classes, one that's just building stuff/playing Minecraft, the next that's actual programming
we were building the Woodland Fortress
or attempting to
the last two days will be a contest where they build something in creative mode and they can win one of three prizes
Anonymous
I don't understand. How does it fit into a curriculum? What is the intended subject / goal? Physics? maths? ICT? Programming? Art?
14:18
"most creative," "most technical elements," "most functional"
art in essence.
our children's college is loosely based on teaching something, it's more based around fun
it's like try to teach them something, but because it's summer vacation, they're not going to pay a lot of attention
at least when minecraft is involved, some of the other classes are different
it's a week long workshop
When I was a kid (oh god I don't think I've said that before) - we had this little round robot on the ground that you could program on the computer and then upload to the robot and it'd perform your movements on the ground
Can't remember it's name though
You kids had robots when you were young?
Yeah, really shitty ones but still
was it like the lego thing?
@Jimbo Damn. I would have want ed that
14:27
Nope, but I remember that on the screen was a triangle, and you would write commands and it would move according to those commands on the screen and draw lines
And then you could upload that to the robot
Anonymous
lol
yes
gets in the room. stars every slightly witty comment in sight
@FélixGagnon-Grenier sounds like me
14:38
@JayIsTooCommon @PeeHaa just submitted a docs patch, review welcome ;)
\o/
(the underlying docs typo took nearly an hour to spot) =)
> Committed revision 342590.
Thanks \o/
thx u
where is this repos on github .. cannot find it ;)
Morning
14:45
Peter has a mirror. 1 sec
yeah :P
ahh found it, thx
@Trowski o/
it seems git commit credits are still not preserved when editing via web ui and github oauth
https://github.com/salathe/phpdoc-en/commit/49238a690432bb069691ab05758c68fa95970184
14:46
Want to work on a mediterranean island? All levels! Apart from the ball pool / kicker, we love learning and do cool stuff with #php: say hi!
Would appreciate retweets ^ :) <3
@staabm There was no info available at all. I credited you manually
Anonymous
@Jimbo I wish you'd give an average salary expectation
it's spain, so probably 1k/year
shit :( I would totally work on a mediterranean island, tbh
It's Spain so obviously less than UK :P
14:51
@Jimbo and UK already has horrible wages for devs
@Jimbo why trivago became a meme? or how? :D
@Patrick Except London, where you can get say 80k as a senior php dev
Problem is commuting. And English people
@Jimbo which is low
When it's -30°C here I think I'd prefer being a janitor on a mediterranean island.
@Jimbo ah wait, gbp?
14:53
@Patrick Yeah, GBP
But that's 70k euros, so can't be too much different from what you were thinking
@Jimbo 90*
Ah yeah, other way
May didn't screw it up that much yet :P
100k chf / 90k eur / 80k gbp
sounds like a reasonable senior salary for php
Isn't everything crazy expensive over there @Patrick?
14:55
@PeeHaa switzerland? or london? probably yes to both
@Patrick Except it's London. So rainy, miserable, and a long commute to actually make any money after working
switzerland yeah
And yes london too good point :P
@PeeHaa whats the rate for a senior in amsterdam?
No idea cc @pmmaga ^
"Zurich is 51% more expensive than Amsterdam"
ouch :D
14:57
hehehe
Mar 22 at 14:22, by pmmaga
@Patrick, I think the average for a senior php dev is around 60k
:P
:D
<- goldfish memory
@Jimbo he's a php 6 developper :)
@Naruto Instant job
15:00
Got two of the t-shirts ;)
got a sticker on my laptop, but most people don't get it :(
That's because they're not good enough - genuinely
@Patrick they better not be developpers :p
@Naruto most non-php devs go "ewww php"
prob the same reaction when I hear ASP.NET or java jsp?
15:05
@laracasts unless user vlauciani is my long lost twin brother, I found a bug on https://laracasts.com/discuss/channels/testing/testing-json-apis-specifically-assertjsonstructure https://t.co/IitT8Zof6k
Looks like they removed too much visual debt
> is there a way to convert a JSON to PHP array structure?
Has it really come to this?
I'm thinking about using the wiki.php.net voting widget to do a pre-vote vote on syntax for arrow functions. I would only present two choices, then take the winner and write the final RFC based on it. Thoughts? /cc @bwoebi @NikiC @JoeWatkins @ircmaxell @OtherInternalVoters
@LeviMorrison Which two choices?
I'll tell you later. What do you think about the idea of using the widget for this purpose?
Basically I want a voting widget where only people who can actually vote participate.
I'm not opposed and think it may improve your chances. (as eventually less people will complain about syntax then)
15:10
If it were up to Reddit we'd have verbatim JavaScript style closures :D
I can live with them too ducks
@LeviMorrison yeah. no.
@bwoebi Hence using the wiki.php.net platform.
jup.
I'll wait for at least one other pinged person to chime in on it before I do so though.
15:15
@LeviMorrison anything that helps to make a strong RFC and less bikeshedding is good in my book, heck a separate page on the wiki where you can point people and say "(some folks who could be bothered to vote from) internals preferred this!" :)
@tereško It's the first time I see you this much happy :) ..! btw, what are you exactly talking about?
@PeeHaa yet, thx. this is somehow related to the github oauth login (the missing information)
@Shafizadeh well ... there is this small possibility, that I might have a little bit fucked up both of my OS'es on my home computer
also, the happiness was short lived
@LeviMorrison +1
@tereško :-)
15:24
@LeviMorrison good idea, more complex RFC's in future may take your lead ...
@bwoebi Curly-brace enclosed and fn prefixed.
@LeviMorrison okay, fine
@DaveRandom @JayIsTooCommon @others that I missed over the weekend ... it so happened that the isle of wight festival was on over the weekend, I didn't know this and thought it would be easy to get a ferry over, the website was taking bookings but friends that live nearby said the traffic was backed up for miles and people were being turned away from the ferry ... sorry about that ...
festivals are so stupid, they bring the island to a standstill, they literally close all the ruddy roads ... on the plus side I did get to listen to rag and bone man in my back garden because it was so very loud ...
Anonymous
@JoeWatkins it's alright, we'll have a date one day. NW maybe?
Yes, NW
15:34
yeah hopefully
So function goes to fn
That it?
No weird () => {}?
@salathe agree. As long as the final vote is yes/no, I'm happy for non-binding pre-votes with many choices
@Jimbo No. use() is implicit and => expr means { return expr; }.
@LeviMorrison Those ampersands… o_o
15:44
^_^
Fortunately only the first will be commonly used.
@LeviMorrison i can't vote and im tired of trying to read most of the suggestions, but would the {} syntax cause issues later if object literals were introduced? if so perhaps mention it in the rfc?
array_map(fn($a) => $a * $a, $array); ??? Like that?
@Stephen It may not prevent object literals; depends on how much freedom you want.
If you want arbitrary expressions as property names then it would definitely conflict.
array_map({$a => $a * $a}, $array) is easier to pick out the function IMO.
15:48
@Trowski That is one point in its favor, yes.
If it doesn't prevent object literals, then I think that would get my vote.
@Trowski (object)['key' => 'value'] ;)
{($x) <- beginning of object literal or closure?
{ T_STRING => expr } stills seems possible for object literals.
Honestly I don't think we need object literals; to me there is exactly one use-case and that's convenient JSON output. No need to add syntax for that.
@Trowski As long as T_VARIABLE, & and ( are not permitted they wouldn't conflict.
15:52
Or you could (ab)use the colon and break from Perl a little more
@LeviMorrison Fine, but please announce up-front so we can make sure that tradeoffs and implications are properly covered
Then you get the joy, if expressions are allowed as keys, of { $foo ? $bar : $baz : $qux }, which really brightens my day
@NikiC Can you expand on that?
@LeviMorrison I want to make sure that there is a proper explanation of the consequences in the RFC. Don't just directly open a vote is all I'm saying ^^
Directly open a non-binding vote on preference or the final vote?
15:55
The former
Let me know what you think it's lacking.
Anonymous
huh, interesting 3v4l.org/qLedW
@LeviMorrison I don't think object literals are necessary either, but if there's a syntax that will still work, those that do will potentially still vote yes on the bracket syntax.
@LeviMorrison The choice of &fn. If we go for the fn syntax I'd strongly suggest use(&)
Your suggestion is noted.
Anyone remember when feature freeze is?
15:58
@LeviMorrison It should mention the following technical points:
* For fn: Requires introduction of a keyword.
* For {}: Will very likely prevent object literal syntax, and may prevent other currently unspecified syntax extensions.
* For {}: Requires a minor grammar hack to disambiguate it from blocks.
@LeviMorrison July 20th. wiki.php.net/todo/php72
@JayIsTooCommon What's surprising about that?
@LeviMorrison I'd also suggest having the entirely of that gist on the rfc page
@NikiC ... did I ever send you the grammar for that? I'd hardly consider it a hack.
@LeviMorrison It's a hack because it no longer allows expr ';'
It's a minor hack though, compared to the things we've been talking about ;)
16:01
I'm curious: do you consider fixing the dangling-else problem in the grammar a hack?
@LeviMorrison If you don't like the term hack, just say that the {} syntax cannot be used as a standalone-expression in order to disambiguate it from code blocks.
@LeviMorrison Yes-ish. It's an indication that we ought to be requiring those braces :P
@NikiC like Perl?
@NikiC Then sure, it's a minor hack ^_^
I was just surprised you used that wording because I wouldn't even put it in the same ballpark as HHVM's hack for their long arrow functions :)
@Trowski Thank you!
@LeviMorrison I'd also make it more explicit whether or not $x for ($x) is allowed. Right now it's unclear from the gist
@NikiC Could make it another preference vote; I'd prefer to have it but don't really care.
16:07
@LeviMorrison I don't think it would be particularly contentious for the {} syntax
@NikiC So just specify it's a part of the proposal and don't make it a voting point? If it's not expected to be contentious I'd keep the number of things to vote on down.
/me just leaves asgardia.space/en here.
16:21
evening room
@Ekin WTF? half of the Asgardians are Turkish and the other half is Chinese?
yeah also Americans
@Ekin @mertyildiran the third half is Americans, yeah
@Ekin what do you drink there: asgardia.space/en/page/constitution
@Dereleased yeah third half lol
I haven't finished reading it yet
16:25
wow this much effort for a joke
I wish you were creating a real organization
@NikiC stand-alone doesn't include assigning to a variable, right?
@Stephen Correct.
@Stephen Standalone in the sense of expression statements
thanks for clarifying.
@Ekin Asgard is a Nordic myth but there are zero Nordic people in Asgardia lol
16:28
$identity = { $x => $x }; // definitely allowed
@mertyildiran Maybe the U.S. population all comes from Minnesota/Wisconsin =P
I love the calendar
it's hot
@NikiC This sucks to do but you are right.
@Dereleased they added a new month named Asgard to the calendar but every month is 28 days and a total year is 28 * 13 = 364 days which means they fucked up the orbital period of earth.
and this guy gets many fuckin scientific awards including UNESCO?
@mertyildiran That's why they have a "year day"
I need to work on other things now but here is the working draft: Arrow Function Preference
16:42
@Trowski still it's a bad joke...
28 days per month and 13 months + year day seems better than the weird system we use now.
@LeviMorrison but that would be devastating for the people who sell biorhythm charts.
@Danack ... aren't biorhythms 28 days?
Yes.
Hence setting a month to always be 28 days, would make it obvious how silly they are.
@LeviMorrison 13 is a prime number not good, not divisible. I would make 91 weeks, no months with 4 days of week.
@LeviMorrison Also I would name days as alpha, beta, gamma, delta and divide people accordingly lol
17:31
@LeviMorrison I like the braces syntax it is quite similar to Swift closures
But there is also an option to drop braces and parenthesis and even arrow but that AFAIK is unable to achieve in PHP :/
Yeaah, well I'm sure you already know that and there are plenty of peoples which are suggesting something and telling they like some option, so sorry for SPAM :)
18:25
"that it shouldn't have a serious on performance." -.-'
18:51
@mertyildiran I don't think it's a bad joke at all. Divide into equal periods, and have the day of the month always correspond to the same day of the week. It would also solve a lot of payroll strategies
If you get paid twice a month, your paychecks are a variable distance apart, but they're always the same. And, if pay-day falls on a weekend or holiday, you have to have a policy for when the replacement pay-day will be (always before, always after, or nearest).
(assuming salary not hourly) If you get paid every 2 weeks, that's 26 pay periods most years, but every (I believe) 11 years there is 1 extra pay period, which raises the question, should all your checks be smaller to account for the extra pay period and give you the same salary, or, should you essentially get 1/26th extra pay that year? And how will that affect any tax/benefit situation you have?
For Leap Day you could just add an extra named day "Leap Day" during Asgard according to the same rules we currently use ( Y % 4 == 0 && ( Y % 100 != 0 || Y % 400 == 0 ) )

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