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22:32
@Sherif Most of those arguments are bullshit anyway
If you need to monitor your employees, you have control over their machines
And it's not like you can't just do Deffie-Hellman wrong in TLS 1.3, anyway :p
As for packet analysis and, intrusion detection and data-loss prevention, all of those can be done at the server-side level, and don't strictly require inspection of the packets mid-flight
@MadaraUchiha They do if regulations require it. Unfortunately the law and technology are not in accord.
The government would just love it if encryption on the Internet went away. It would make their nefarious intentions so much easier to execute.
Of course
But the industry won't stand for that
And a gap would form for a more secure banking solution.
The banks would evolve.
@Danack when you can, please can you add github.com/Room-11/StackChat to packagist?
22:37
Or would be replaced vOv
Also, the US can't hold tech back anymore.
s/US/US government
If the US makes regulations and laws the hinder advances in encryption, other countries would simply outrun it.
@DaveRandom done.
ty :-)
All in all, the government is trying very hard to delay the inevitable
22:39
Let's not forget it was US academics that invented public key cryptography and published it.
But it's pretty evident that it's working from the latest CIA leak
Most of their programs now involve single handedly picking targets and implanting malware, as opposed to widespread collect everyone's data kind of attacks
@MadaraUchiha Unfortunately we live in a world where the powers that be are threatened by technology, because it levels the playing field. If you and I both have access to the same information we might actually start thinking for ourselves!
heh
@Sherif Again, they will evolve, or die.
We've seen that kind of evolution with a certain loudmouth twitter with an affection to hashtags and fake news.
Oh there are no shortage of sheep in this world.
@Sherif And there won't ever be vOv
That's actually where democracy fails :D
I had a better plan. But no one liked it :(
22:43
Yea, what we have here in the US isn't a democracy by any means.
@Sherif It's funny, really
Here in Israel, we were all but brainwashed about how great the US is, the strongest democracy in the world, etc
Then you grow up, and you realize "Uhhh, no... that's not really how it is..."
This is far closer to an oligarchy than a democracy. The difference is at least it's not a military regime. Which makes it better than some, but not by far.
If you study the Greeks and what they thought of as democracy you quickly realize "Western democracy" is nothing like what the founders of democracy had imagined.
Goooooood Morning
If I include a php file with 50 000 lines of code will it slow the performance?
In a democracy one should not have secret ballots. If you vote on something let your name stand by your vote. Otherwise, who do you hold responsible for making a bad decision? And how do you make better ones without knowing where the mistakes were backed and why?
That's just such a false concept of a democracy.
@Sherif To be fair, the way democracy was originally thought of was that it was only for white men from Athenas, over 50.
It was in many ways imperfect as well.
But also to be fair... in most democracies in the world, we don't have closed-doors ballots. Everything is filmed and recorded, all discussions are held in public.
22:51
@MadaraUchiha That's such a narrow view. The point was that the people who were allowed to vote in a democracy were men of status. Responsible for their decisions. The process was also transparent to the citizens, not opaque.
Of course, politicians do talk amongst themselves, in private quarters
But that's to be expected.
The actual ballots are all public, at least as far as we know.
If there are secret ballots, they're very well kept.
The truth people actually believe that the president runs this country. That's just such a blatantly obvious lie. The agenda of the United States has never been inline with any president since Eisenhower.
The president is more of an icon now.
Well, the president does have power
What limits him is his relatively short term
Power is an illusion.
Which is nonexistent for the real powers to be in Congress.
Who stay in position for 40 years and upwards
But then again, I'm not a US citizen, it's not really any of my business. I'd take our broken fragmented way of Democracy over the US's any day of the week.
22:58
"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front to rule." - H. L. Mencken
Notice that since WWII the foremost agenda of the US government has always been "to spread democracy" ;)
As if they were going to somehow save the world with their democracy.
All men have a desire to rule the world. It's just obvious that US has taken it a little too far.
I feel like most men just want to be left alone
I feel like most of our systems (social or otherwise) are 95% legacy that seemed like a good idea at the time.
On the other hand, looking at the big picture, we are improving as a global society
Though it feels like we are improving despite the political factor
Global health level is at an all time high, global povery and hunger are at their lowest ever, we're (more or less) peaceful, education and internet connection are on a steady rise.
@NikiC Oh yeah, definitely.
I have no idea how these numbers work with things like Brexit and Trump and Netanyahu... being.
@MadaraUchiha Sure, not all men act on their desires.
Some know how to exercise self restraint.
@Sherif That's a dangerous statement.
23:06
@MadaraUchiha Is it?
It's not too far off from "all men have a desire to kill, most of them don't act on it"
@Sherif Most statements with "all" in them are.
Or "all men are rapists deep down"
I'm not a rapist, I'm not a killer, and I have absolutely no desire to rule anything.
Surely you have some desire to rule something. That's not to suggest that you have any nefarious intents.
@Sherif Except for owning n00bs at some first person shooter, not particularly, no.
For example, I have a very deep desire to rule my command of technical prowess.
@Sherif Oh, that's quite a stretch.
23:09
That may not be as far reaching of a goal as those like Putin with a desire to rule the entire world, but hey. When was the world ever in black and white?
I wish I "ruled" a TARDIS that could travel through time and space.
There are degrees of desire for sure.
To be fair, I don't know what is it exactly that I want.
I'm fairly sure that most people don't.
Hence the sheep analogy.
Certainly history has taught us that we are not the first civilization with some part of the population that wants to rule the world. The ancient Egyptians, the Mayans, the Chinese, etc...
@MadaraUchiha I think that's a fair assessment. I mean it should be rare that an extraordinary thing exists in the midst of ordinary things.
But ... we are all made up of the same stuff after all.
A lot of people have been manipulated to believe what they believe today. Of that I have no doubt. Which is why I believe this is a sinking ship. It just can't be saved. The only thing you can do is get off and save yourself.
@Sherif I don't think it's a sinking ship
I think that were used to be in much much deeper waters than we are today.
23:15
You have a lot more hope than I do, then.
I'm suggesting the vessel is unsavable. Not the people.
The vessel would be things like the US government and this ideology of "Western democracy" which they propagate.
Are we talking about global warming now?
No.
@Sherif I don't think a great many people actually appreciate the US's actions, outside of the US
(And Israel, for that matter)
Please stop going off topic in this room.
Fair enough. I did get a bit carried away :)
23:18
@Danack Well, it's not like there's more interested discussion going on at the moment
Unless you're willing to contribute a topic? :)
That's not the point and you should know better.
Yea, shame on you @MadaraUchiha :p
@Sherif Welp, it's too late in the night for me to start that discussion
So I'm going to retire for now
Good night folks o/
g'night
@MadaraUchiha hey wait
23:21
@NikiC Hmm?
Can I solicit you for some anime recommendations?
Sure
What do you like? What have you already watched?
I haven't watched a lot, so not much data to go on. I liked HxH, FMA:B, Code Geass. I didn't like One Punch Man much and I couldn't get past three episodes in Shingeki no Kyojin
@NikiC Death Note?
@MadaraUchiha Ah yeah, seen that one as well. The first half or so was good
23:25
Terror in Resonance (Zankyou no Terror) is good, short and sweet too
Surprisingly I also quite liked Clannad, though I think the ending ruined it a bit
Future Diary (Mirai Nikki) is also good (crazy, lotsa blood)
@MadaraUchiha thanks!
> Mirai Nikki
Is that a botnet that runs on @NikiC?
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