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13:02
@Danack Ah that's strange. Thanks for clarifying
I am totally guessing....
Well it's a work client who's getting the error. The message was them advising us we don't have a reverse lookup for the mailserver.fabien.com
@Fabien Why is it so hard to buy lye here? :/
wtf is lye? -_-
13:10
Caustic soda -- food grade sodium hydroxide
it's combination of 3 letters: "l", "y" and "e"
You can pick some up on amazon probably. I bought some a while back.
For food?
@AlulaErrorpone "food grade sodium hydroxide" - the FUCK ARE COOKING?!
lol no
13:10
Lye is a caustic chemical. Lye may also refer to: Lye, West Midlands, a small town in England Lye, Indre, a commune of the Indre département in France Lye railway station, in England whose National Rail station code is also LYE Len Lye, a New Zealand-born artist RAF Lyneham, a Royal Air Force station in Wiltshire, England whose IATA code is LYE Graham Lye, Australian rugby league footballer...
@Danack Grits
Need to prepare corn to make hominy
That's not 'food'.
Which needs lye
You're in Britain now. You live off crumpets and roast dinners.
@Fabien I cant live without grits :(
I used to live round the corner from a shop that sold instant grits
when I was in Stratford
But cant find any in Greenwich :/
13:12
Maybe you'll find some or somewhere that'll sell it online.
Hmm
Could go to Brixton market
They probably have it there
Take your stab vest
@AlulaErrorpone They sell it in B&Q, not sure if I'd want to cook with it though
@Fabien I grew up in Brixton :P
Oh so you know to bring it anyway.
13:14
Yeah gotta have bulletproofs on
And get the nastiest phone I own, not take my 1520 to Brixton :D
@AlulaErrorpone If you switch to using calcium hydroxide it's easier to find - amazon.co.uk/CALCIUM-HYDROXIDE-SLAKED-LIME-PURE/dp/B004C9A5ZA
And be less sodium-y
What PHP function could I use to extract a zip and return the name(s) of the unzipped files if the inside is unknown?
> One can make food grade sodium carbonate (Na2CO3) from food grade baking soda, sodium bicarbonate (NaHCO3), by baking it an oven spread out on a cookie sheet at 350° F for one hour; baking longer won't hurt. This drives off water and carbon dioxide to form food grade washing soda (sodium carbonate) which increases the pH more than baking soda.
Er, pretty sure it's the hydroxyl part that is more important than the sodium ion.
@Fabien That question doesn't make a lot of sense to me, but you'll probably be wanting to use php.net/manual/en/class.ziparchive.php
Never tried it with calcium hydroxide
Will do some research
13:24
@AlulaErrorpone Pretty sure calcium would be healthier long term than sodium en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hominy
Good morning
mronin.
Yeah ZipArchive was what i was looking at. basically this zip contains an folder with an unknown name. We need to extract the contents of that folder out to a dir. So unzip -> get name of folder -> move files. extractTo returns true or false.
@Fabien You probably want to be iterating over the index thingy:
Lye is used in the production of pretzels, no? yes.
13:28
for ($i = 0; $i < $zip->numFiles; $i++) {
    $stat = $zip->statIndex($i);
    //$stat - contains informations about the file
    $contents = $zip->getFromIndex($shortestIndex);
    //Do something with $stat and $contents
}
Cheers @Danack
np
@Fabien oh btw - don't use locateName
lol nice bug feature :P
We don't use composer at work though.
Er, I meant that locate name is vague about what file it returns.
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morning
13:39
@tereško Did you get a chance to read about ADR?
Yo Superstar
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Not true.
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Though flattery will get you everywhere with me.
BTW laptop/webcam microphone? -_-
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Sorry dude, it was actually the iPad because hangout kept crashing my stupid windows.
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Couldn't use the computer.
13:41
I swear phil has issues every (2) times I have watched Town hall with Hangouts.
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Hangouts is really cool but I've had a lot of those kinds of problems with it
Actually listening to the last half of the talk now.
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When Paul was talking about MVC-WTF-Who-Cares-Framework-Blah I was just daydreaming.
@rdlowrey When will be the firsts room 11 hangout session drink up?
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@PeeHaa We should do it sometime. For real. Definitely helps to have an outline of topics to go over so that it's not just a free-for-all.
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13:45
Ooh, simultaneous remote drink up. I love it.
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@Fabien first thing Phil says when I log on: "Oh Fabien was right, you are pretty"
6
heheheheheh
@rdlowrey LOL.
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Must grow neckbeard immediately.
13:49
as I've said, @Fabien, you were mentioned :p
booo, I can't go to 1.5x speed
@AlmaDo You're still in the negative trust levels.
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How's that for negative trust?
@Fabien yes, praise me, praise me more ! :D
13:51
I mentioned that Dave was mentioned in the talk and timestamped it. @AlmaDo said my name came up and timestamped it too. But the timestamp was a link to 'Friday' and I clicked it. --$trust.
too late
@Fabien I'm glad (:
@rdlowrey Check out the cv-pls on the right ;) ---->
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waaaaaaaat
hehehe
13:52
"reading internals is a good excersize in patience" +1
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Hopefully I didn't say anything too stupid. Don't really remember.
@ircmaxell so you're in temptation to do what? Abandon current email reading? Or it's much worse, and you're fighting with yourself not to write in response how full of sh*t they are? (:
no, listening to the PHPTownHall
@rdlowrey Well it's online for life now.
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Yeah I mean if you screw up it's only forever. So don't worry.
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13:54
Last night I had a dream that I stole a jar of peanut butter from the grocery store, was arrested and sentenced to four years in prison. Woke up really stressed out. F'd up, man.
@ircmaxell s/patience/wasting time 90% of the time
@rdlowrey And, now there's a mysterious jar of peanut butter in the kitchen...
I had a dream I'd bought a second motorcycle for £2k. I was fighting with my subconscious for the logic behind such a price, but it won and I distinctly remember going "oh well, it's cheap". I woke up in fear for my bank account
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@salathe I'm kind of an active sleeper. Not out of the realm of possibility.
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@ircmaxell oh no.
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13:56
lol
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I have a feeling prison would be a really bad place for me.
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Note to self: don't go to prison.
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I guess they took the day off. #SysAdminDay http://t.co/qqts0F09Lc
@rdlowrey Fucken WordPress...
14:01
:D
A possibly useful thing @rdlowrey ssllabs.com/ssltest/index.html
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@SecondRikudo Or the best possible way to make someone appreciate what you do :)
Forever @rdlowrey
@rdlowrey I'm less of an "appreciate what I do" type and more of a "leave me the fuck alone so I can do my thing" type.
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@Danack Yes! I love that site! The ssllabs test was used extensively when I was working on that stuff for php-src.
14:02
@rdlowrey LOL
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So tempted to misuse room owner powers right now.
18 viewers, you're famous \o/
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Someone asked me if I shaved a line in my eyebrow. For the record, I was kicked in the head by my horse when I was six years old and had to get stitches there.
So it's not a go-faster stripe?
14:04
i was curious, but thought it rude to ask :)
@rdlowrey You should shave a line on the other one so that they're symmetrical.
You opened that door, not me :D
Definitely. You'd go twice as fast too.
^
inb4 photoshopped @rdlowrey eyebrow shot
lol
14:06
ROTFL
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If I am ever like, "hey should I shave my head?" please tell me no. Every time I do that I hate myself and it leads to weird faces.
Must be tough going from a 12 to an 11.
@rdlowrey You should put a green something in your teeth, that would not only get all attention to you, but will also distract viewers from practically everything else :D
@CarrieKendall nasty catch :p
14:09
@CarrieKendall Ahaha, you do pop in at just the right times :D
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@CarrieKendall should just hurry up and move to NYC where they don't have internet or anything so she can't make people feel self-conscious.
@rdlowrey haha calm down you're a babe (albeit a pasty babe)
look @Fabien was thinking it, i just was the one to say it
You'll make me jealous.
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If anyone wants to shave lines in their eyebrows we can start a programmer gang.
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I'm out on leather jackets, though, so don't suggest that.
14:13
@Fabien I will be reading about in about 2.5 hours
(that's when I will be on a buss, driving to countryside)
@rdlowrey I guess my brother can join your club :P
@rdlowrey s/don't ever trust benchmarks you haven't run yourself/don't ever trust benchmarks/
@tereško Ah fair enough. Nice weekend getaway.
@ircmaxell i heard awesome things about your talk :)
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@ircmaxell I may have gone on to say that too. But yes.
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14:15
@Fabien Identical twins, eh?
@CarrieKendall yeah, I was really happy about it, but I don't know if it was as good as some people said
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@ircmaxell I can haz link?
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sweet.
@ircmaxell was just about to ask, thanks
14:16
lol. We literally couldn't be any more opposite. Mind you back then he was the most popular guy in school. Those shaved eyebrows were all the rage.
that's just slides and reviews
when the video goes live, I'll post the link
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Hmm ... that pricing seems a little high.
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I'm sure they're worth it, but still seems high for internet video.
@rdlowrey I'm doing it at 2 conferences coming up, and both will be recorded and published...
$25 for "an introduction to databases". Win!
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14:17
@ircmaxell cool
@rdlowrey That's clearly an avatar right there
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Ooh, good call. Lemme gravatar that bad boy.
"Deal With It"
instastar
@Jimbo And then Phil's face get's an un-smiley
@DanLugg DO IT
@DaveRandom make it a loop (where the shades are on, but new ones keep coming down
14:21
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Somehow I never like the word "frowny". Doesn't sound like the opposite of a smiley
@ircmaxell Yes!
I'm done apologizing for helping to almost double PHP's performance. news.php.net/php.internals/76122
lol
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Okay, enough shenanigans. Time to write some code.
14:27
Hello, What do you guys think about the subject of MH17
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But we should seriously consider a room 11 online drinkup + casual programming talk.
Yes please.
Awesome
Nothing like the false sense of security behind an internet connection fuelled by the frontal-lobe inhibiting nature of alcohol. How could it not be a good time?
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And I won't wear pants I just need to figure out why hangouts hates my computer.
14:29
Pants will not be allowed
I'm already there.
We should try and organise it before PHPNW and then we can do it/one while a few people are in the same place
Agreed
On a weekend or friday night though, perhaps
?
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@DaveRandom ah that would be cool
Well I nominate @DaveRandom as organiser.
May the odds ever be in your favour.
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14:32
And evening on the right side of the pond works for people over here.
lol
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YES!
:D
+10 internet points
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14:33
vodka + water FTW. Hydrate while you intoxicate.
Very soon, the star list will be full of @rdlowrey's face
morn... wtf
Oh man. I wanna create one but I better wait till I am not at work.
morning
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Seriously. I'm coding now. You guys can have fun at my expense while I'm being productive.
14:34
@Fabien lol, it's make-gifs-at-work-day Friday
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Friday == Gifday?
Figday?
Does anybody use PHPUnit in here?
I got a bad desk placement for tomfoolery.
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@Jefffrey yes, lots of people.
14:35
@Fabien I share your misery, thankfully we're undergoing renos, so people/shit is all over the place.
Ok, I was wondering, assuming I have few SQL files that should be run before all tests, few SQL files that should be run after all tests, what is the fastest way to setup this "setup/teardown" thingy?
@rdlowrey whats with all the bulges under your shirt? it looks like you got muscles. but developers dont have any muscles.
Actually I would probably watch a web series which solely features "Drunk Developers shootin' the shit".
^^ It must be done.
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@Fabien It should be pretty easy to get 5 good minutes of awesome highlights out of an hour of drunken programmer talk.
14:37
We could call it "Life according to Ballmer"
tag @PhilSturgeon
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@Gordon I'm a bit of a health nut and I go to the gym pretty much every day. It's the only way to balance out my crazy programmer OCD tendencies.
@rdlowrey wait, you mean when I take my laptop to the gym and work from there I grow muscles?
@Fabien I am not a good organiser. Of really anything at all.
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@DanLugg The Ballmer Speak: Programmers get drunk and talk about ... you know ... stuff.
14:39
^^^ BAM
@DaveRandom Just pass the buck to Jimbo then.
Nothing, found out. Thanks anyway.
Anyone read P.Jones' MLA book?
@Fabien /cc @Jimbo
@rdlowrey oh, btw. that story about you getting kicked by a horse at age 6 … totally fake. there is no scar on your avatar here:
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14:41
@DanLugg not that. never that.
just admit it you shaved for the panache :)
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@Gordon if you zoom in you can see it. Don't make me take a close up.
close up, close up, close up … everyone
We haven't mentioned it yet, and it could be because I am British. But you have some exceptionally white teeth @rdlowrey.
@rdlowrey Please, please, please take a close up
14:45
/cc @rdlowrey
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@Fabien Well the funny thing about it is when I was a kid they had massive fluoride stains presumably from the terrible water in rural New Mexico where I was born and when I got my braces off at 15 I got some bleach stuff for like $400 and ever since they're super white. That stuff is unbelievable. 15 years later they're still super white.
@DaveRandom Alright, Friday 15th august
@rdlowrey $400 is a ncie investment for that result. I've considered getting mine whitened.
@Jimbo Make an actual statement for starring :P
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Lemme lookup the name of the stuff. It's really great and you just sleep with the trays in for like three or four weeks and that's it.
@DanLugg lol. Maybe you should be the organiser :P
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14:48
I think you have to get it from a dentist/orthodontist though (middleman FTW) so that will probably set you back a bit more.
And you know it'll be more expensive here too -_-
Still. It's on the list of things I would like to buy.
Friday 15th August 2014 - Room 11 Online Pissup Hangout
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@DaveRandom ^
Nikita left the room?
@Jimbo Interesting, It's going to be a video chat kinda hangout?
@SecondRikudo Yeah!
14:53
@Jimbo this a 24 hour event? :P
@Jimbo Time?
@nikic something interesting I noticed: you are the reason Andrea is involved with internals. Nice job inspiring someone! :-D
Ah crap, we have some people in the US and some in EU. We need a time
Leaving enough time for the western side of USA to get a few beers in before coming on
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@Fabien Do we have anyone on the west coast? I'm not sure we do.
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14:54
Oh wait, Levi is over there.
@Jimbo @SecondRikudo is even in the east!
> Video calls can have a maximum of 10 participants. Source
@HamZa I'm +2, it's not that of an east.
@SecondRikudo gmt + 2 O_O?
@SecondRikudo So it is now 17:57 for you?
18:57 rather, no?
14:57
@DaveRandom DST
@SecondRikudo I am +1
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@Fabien I can't recall the exact brand name but it was a lot like this stuff. If you do it go for the highest bleach percentage because that's the whole point, right?
@PeeHaa Also +1+1 because of summer time?
@SecondRikudo Yeh I cba figuring this crap out. It is currently 4pm here (nearly)
So it is what, 7pm for you?
@HamZa What summer?
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I love that commercial so much.
$> phpunit test --bootstrap=does/not/fucking/exists.php
PHPUnit 4.1.4 by Sebastian Bergmann.

.

Time: 233 ms, Memory: 2.50Mb

OK (1 test, 0 assertions)
@PeeHaa Netherlands is gmt +1, but when daylight saving time comes in it becomes gmt + 2
lol?
@PeeHaa Summer Glau, obviously
15:01
@rdlowrey Cool thanks.
@Jimbo I'm so in.
Anyone know of any good examples of a RESTful API (code) I can peruse?
@Fabien I know plenty of bad examples.
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@DanLugg @DaveRandom @Jimbo If you guys pick a time I'm in. I can start drinking whenever :)
lol. Yes. Just google "REST API example"
Seriously though it's really hard to find mostly complete examples of good code. Not libraries, but things like sites, services and so on. It's no wonder we have an emergence of wanky coders around.
15:05
@rdlowrey You're EST right? I can start at about 6PM.
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@DanLugg yup
@HamZa What about Skype?
On friday I can do pretty much any time except for evening between 2000-2200 my time
Found it
> You can share a group call with up to 25 people, anywhere in the world, and if everyone’s on Skype it’s completely free.
@DanLugg EDT
15:08
@rdlowrey :-P
skype--, hangouts++
@ircmaxell Ooh, good point.
@ircmaxell Hangouts only allow 10 people. Hangouts--, Skype++
@Jimbo then you're talking to too many people at once
Think we'll actually do > 10?
15:09
I can count on 4 hands the people I'd like to talk to from room 11 :-)
@rdlowrey I know the X is cooler, but it's not valid semver.
Yeah could be messy
@Jimbo You may need to go see a doctor
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@Danack I have no idea what I'm doing. Is it supposed to be a *?
@Jimbo ever tried having a video call (without being a structured meeting) with more than like 5 people?
15:10
@Danack Also, should be z ;-)
@ircmaxell Yes :'(
@ircmaxell Add the fact that this is alcohol centric.
@rdlowrey I think it should either be ~0.9.0 or 0.9.* or >= 0.9.0
Mayhem will ensue regardless
TBH I'd be happy lurking for the hangout.
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15:11
@Danack Okay, will update those. If you see things like that it's because I don't know what I'm doing and not because it's a conscious choice so please let me know.
I'll want to chime in, but I'd rather listen (and lol) for the better part of it.
@rdlowrey ok. btw the other day you should you were going to rename the repos to lower case, but Github appears to be case insensitive, so not sure if that will actually have much effect.
@ircmaxell I was just thinking this
Needs an agenda
Otherwise it'll just be a bunch of people drinking and typing in chat and not saying anything
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@Danack well it would make packagist happier right? Or do I not know what I'm talking about again?
@rdlowrey But, but.. Arya, Aerys.. they look good!
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15:15
I kind of prefer all uniform lowercase, but we'll see.
@Danack No it doesn't matter. It matters for the package names on packagist but that does not need to match the github names
I learned this the hard way a while ago
@rdlowrey They're not connected. Packagist just takes the entry of the name from composer.json, so you call your packages something completely different to the repo.
If you think about it it makes sense, since it is not coupled to github
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So the consensus is just leave them Capitalized and not rock the boat?
Yes. Don't change for Packagist.
15:18
Oh sorry @Danack that was supposed to be targetted at @rdlowrey
Or just, don't Packagist.
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@Danack yeah since I realized I could specify repos in the composer.json I realized packagist could take it on down the road.
@Danack internally, sure. But if you want to make stuff available for others, there's no point in not publishing it there.
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AHHHHH I watched the comcast video the other day. So, so, so good.
15:23
git commit -m $(wget -q http://whatthecommit.com/index.txt -O -)
@DanLugg Got it! PHPissup.
Too many Da's in this room.
lol
20 mins ago, by Danack
@rdlowrey I think it should either be ~0.9.0 or 0.9.* or >= 0.9.0
crap that's wrong. it should only be ~0.9.0 or 0.9.*
so that stuff doesn't break when 1.0.0 comes out.
/cc @rdlowrey
15:45
If I do $domDocument->createTextNode($text) and $text contains some arbitrary binary string (consider, md5('noodles', true)) few bytes are encoded properly. The doc is set with UTF8, but I'm not getting entities for the majority of the characters.
I sort of expected a lot of &#nnnn; but am instead getting the raw bytes.
DOMDocument config?
ThW
ThW
@DanLugg it depends on how you defined the encoding for the document eval.in/private/78a9d998874ebd
@DanLugg $text in you example should always be utf-8
btw, in case anyone had forgotten: parallel processing is hard :-(
Hmm. I think I need to do some reading on the subject
ThW
ThW
15:52
And UTF-8 does not need many entities. :-)
@ThW You got mentioned on PHP Town Hall btw :)
You can't just dump random binary data into a text node @DanLugg, there's a reason it's called a text node
ThW
ThW
@Fabien PHP Town Hall?
@DaveRandom Yes, I know; I assumed it would substitute
@ThW Yup. Someone talking about a library of yours and thanking you for it I believe.
ThW
ThW
15:54
The video blog?
Yeah. It's starred on the right.
@DanLugg They are character references, not byte values. &#8000; refers to U+8000, not the 0x1f 0x40 bytes sequence
#fail
That may still be wrong actually
but you get the idea
ThW
ThW
@Fabien hehe
16:15
function foo($n) {
	for ($i = 0; $i < 10; $i++) {
		if ($i % 2) {
			return $i;
		}
	}
	return $n;
}
will become
function foo( $n)
{
    $i = 0;
    compiled_label_2:
    if (!($i < 10)) {
        goto compiled_label_1;
    }
    if ($i % 2) {
        return $i;
    }
    compiled_label_0:
    $i++;
    goto compiled_label_2;
    compiled_label_1:
    return $n;
}
16:37
@bwoebi Can you tell me what the open issue with const expr arrays is?
@NikiC not sure if you saw, but:
2 hours ago, by ircmaxell
@nikic something interesting I noticed: you are the reason Andrea is involved with internals. Nice job inspiring someone! :-D
@ircmaxell yes, I noticed ^^
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Yeah you guys were the impetus for my involvement too. You have a php-src family tree!
@NikiC awesome job :-)
it's not like I don't read lolphp :D
16:40
@rdlowrey :-D
@NikiC I don't, unless I see referral traffic ;-)
I get enough of that occasionally reading internals
16:51
@NikiC break only affects the 4 loop structures (for,do,while,foreach) and switch, right? And continue only affects the 4 loop structures... ?
@ircmaxell and switch
for continue break and switch are identical
Oh, weird...
also what does "affects" mean ;)
you know what I mean :-P
@NikiC E_NONSENSE
(meaning the behaviour, not what you said)
in switch continue should be a noop
16:53
^^ error.
@DaveRandom should be an error
Would permitting continue to operate on an outer loop be too confusing? (I'm guessing yes)
probably error actually yes
@DanLugg yes
Ok, I no longer have a concept of a loop in my analyzer...
It's a bit of a shame; a while (true) { switch ($expr) { /* ... */ } } is a nice structure, and the ability to break or continue the loop is dirtied up by having to break n;

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