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08:00
@Darius Can you prime the cache?
I'll do caching for 24 hours, but it's usually for different products when it occurs, and caching is against Amazon's user agreement sadly.
So if users visit different products repeatedly, it'll cause the error since it wasn't in the cache
A moment of 5 people visiting 5 different product pages at the same second that weren't cached would throw that error.
good morning
morning
@Jack such a sh*t .. No I didn't see it before. And that was for greater good
@AlmaDo lol
I guess British humour isn't for you, then.
08:08
well, it's hard to find humor for me when they cut piece of body from someone
It's not for everyone I guess ;)
I just dislike such things
We can't all like the same things :) Though it's not the cutting of bodyparts per se that is the funny part, but how he reacts to it
@AlmaDo Perhaps "the job interview" is more to your liking then? more or less same cast, but different setting :)
what's "job interview" here?
08:10
@AlmaDo Google "monty python job interview"
somehow I don't want to see "monty python" anymore :p
fine, your choice.
hehe
as for the jokes - just look into almost any php question on SO.
Morning
hi, @Fabien
08:13
DROP TRIGGER IF EXISTS `inquiresTriggers`;
DELIMITER //
CREATE TRIGGER `inquiresTriggers` AFTER UPDATE ON `student_inquiries`
 FOR EACH ROW BEGIN

 /*If followed status changed*/

 if NEW.`followed` <> OLD.`followed` THEN


 /*First follow up*/

  IF NEW.`followed` = 'followUpOne' THEN

INSERT IGNORE INTO `followUpOne`(`inquiryId`, `operator`, `date`, `comment`) SELECT `No`,`Operator`,`Date`,`Comment` FROM `student_inquiries` WHERE `followed` = 'followUpOne' ;

  END IF;

   /*Second follow up*/
@AlmaDo most php questions make me sad actually; i'm glad that you can see the joke in that heh
 MySQL said: Documentation
#1235 - This version of MySQL doesn't yet support 'multiple triggers with the same action time and event for one table'
why this error ?
@Jack right. That depends of my mood. When it's Friday it's a good mood :p
Is there already some other trigger upon update of that table?
@samitha because all is said in the error message
08:15
@AlmaDo grrrrrrrr
sigh
No.This is one i used
@bwoebi
Why are you talking to the small avatars?
Was about to ask you the same question @AlmaDo
@SecondRikudo what?
08:20
@AlmaDo Why are you talking to the small avatars?
explain "small avatars"
Ignored users
I have no ignored users
If you ignore a user, their avatar is small. For him the avatar of the user you are talking to is small, probably
Yup, size matters after all.
08:21
They came into the room with a huge blob of text and an error message that was obvious. And asked why that error was there
That's enough of an indication
ok, I'll check if that's so. I guess 5 last conversation members will fit
Anyone know if this chat is accessible without a browser?
sure
@AlmaDo I don't normally ignore people. But he's on my ignore list for quite a while and hasn't shown any signs of stopping, so yeah. There's a good reason why he's there.
@Fabien you can always use telnet :p But much easier to create your own app
08:24
Nothing pre-existing? :P
why?
Friend is asking as he doesn't want to have another tab perma-open.
@Fabien Your friend (probably you) should be working instead of wasting time on SO =p
lol. It's not me.
then we'll have another app perma-running
@Jack we all should
08:27
I know how hypocritical that sounded haha
What we shouldn't. SO has made me a better programmer.
Morning Jimbo
@Fabien Double edged sword imo :)
SO has made a significant difference to my career. It all begins with learning to accept that, at the beginning, you are wrong 99% of the time.
08:28
Yay, wrote my first test case in obj-c .. my job is done here lol
@Jimbo And now?
@Jack 40% 60% :-)
More of a double edge for those who aren't as noob as me :P
lol
ThW
ThW
Morning
whats the average amount of lines, that is produced by a developer in a month ?
08:38
0.5
@tereško developing standards for indians, aren't you?
@tereško question makes no sense.
hard to say, really.
@tereško Is this for your meeting PM sunshine?
08:39
@bwoebi well, in India they really have such measurement
not really
@tereško a month of debugging is usually not a lot of changes… while a month of new features is.
in the good old days they had the kloc .. surely, that hasn't gone out of style in some countries.
I just made a commit for what I made since morning, and it contained 600 lines
so what
08:43
Usually after making a working copy of the project the number of lines goes negative as of refactoring
just wondering whether the reason, why I am always late, is because I am slow
@rdlowrey say what sorry? Not sure what the conflict would be there...
@tereško i think it's a consequence of knowing more.
when you know more, you develop slower.
reason being that you think more about semantics, edge cases, etc.
the result would be that the end product is more stable; but surely this paradox goes over the heads of many a PM
Got that meeting soon @tereško
08:47
@Fabien IT'S FOUND TO THE LEFT OF YOUR A KEY
@tereško As my misses says, genius keeps no timetable
Also, slow is.. relative. You can trade slow for sloppy.
@SecondRikudo Left of my 'A' key is a blank key.
@Jack Buy a real computer
I believe the main benefit if knowing more about programming is not the speed at which you code but the speed of which you come to the right decisions.
08:48
@DaveRandom Pff .. blank key caps ftw
So I don't believe people code any slower or faster than anyone else.
@Jack ...and yet you have the letter keys labelled? That's decidedly cheating
@DaveRandom Eh, no .. just the WASD
and they're purple whereas the rest are black.
@Jack Still cheating
Either you touch type or you don't. You don't touch type with a blind spot for four letters and gaming.
Anyone know any PC gamers that still use the arrow keys? :P
2 player MAME not inclusive.
08:50
@Jack Which may lead you to losing job. ;-)
@Fabien I guess that translates to anyone know left handed gamers
Do lefties use the arrows?
@Leri Hmm, then perhaps you were in the wrong company.
user924016
left handed gamers?
user924016
I am left handed..
08:51
@Fabien I would assume so
@Fabien I know one who does. He also rearranges the mouse to be on the right side, when gaming
Old habit dying hard?
@Jack Well, I have not lost one yet but I am having really hard time, atm. I'll tell if it's wrong company if I am fired.
probably
my leftie friend uses the same config as me... puzzles me, does his brain lobes switch places when he's gaming?
08:53
@Leri if they don't need me, I would have no issue with leaving
They need you.
that's clearly a matter of perspective
They just want you to write code that is crap but quick to write rather than thoroughly thought out and well written.
If you want them to understand the power of your decisions to write better code make them read @ircmaxell's technical debt post.
@tereško Good when you have that feeling. I am the only dev here and still can't get to that.
If possible you could present some comparison between time spent fixing others codes vs yours. Showing that long term your slow but well written code is cost-effective.
09:13
@Fabien I'm a lefty, I use WASD too
And my mouse is on my right hand
FPS too?
Yup
I'm a bit of a weird in that sense. I write with my left hand, but do practically everything else with my right :D
Right handed world.
mornig
@tereško here's one for your PM to watch: vimeo.com/7858952
09:20
I used to write with both hands. Well, now I barely write my name with hand. :D
Morning @PeeHaa
that was about "joke" I mentioned before :p
@AlmaDo That is the worst interview question I have ever heard
@DaveRandom I was about to comment "I said to that company that I don't want to join them because they're stupid", but there's tons of comments there ..
09:27
@SecondRikudo The word (in English) is "ambidextrous" (from Latin "ambi" meaning roughly "no preference" like "ambiguous", "dexter" meaning "right", presumably because of the prevalence of right handed people)
And ambilevous is the opposite.
@AlmaDo what would be more interesting, and may have been the point of the question or the actual question as asked in the interview, is whether the generated assembler is different for a constant expression vs a dynamic condition that the compiler can't optimise out. It's pretty obvious that the compiler will optimise any truthy constant expr to the same asm - since nobody ever writes while (1) in a real application, you do it on a variable so you can cleanly exit the program.
It's still a pointless question because it's irrelevant, impractical micro-optimisation, but that does make it a little more interesting
@AlmaDo How the hell did that get all those upvotes :|
but there's so many idiots around.
This is true. I am one of them.
09:32
next
It's funny how we can know a word and use it commonly but not know it's antonym too well. Other examples would be Oriental. Occidental is the west. Septentrional/Boreal is the North. Meridional/Austral is the South.
what's that?
East, West, North and South.
We use oriental so frequently but not their counterparts.
lol a certain client of mine is probably getting a lawsuit regarding GPL violations. People are shitting bricks...
@Fabien English is weird.
09:35
@SecondRikudo Yup.
Well it's stolen French/Latin.
@PeeHaa Brick shitting is the best kind of shitting.
@Fabien Nobody likes Greek words. I suspect more people know Borea/Austra because of the Aurora (Borea|Austra)lis, and guess what... they're Latin :-P
Aye.
Northern lights are a dead giveaway
I might start a society of people who only ever use words with Latin roots, and we will start a vehement internet hate campaign.
lol
09:37
I have no idea what we will call televisions though
//what are they talking about? TODO: fix that
Vernacular is a nice word.
@Fabien Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious.
Never liked that film
Me neither
And now that word is stuck in my head and you all just lost the game :(
09:45
Lost the game T__T
looser
> Pierre, I don't reply to you, because it's bad for my health.
heehee
loser*
oo is always ooh. Chose (Ch Owes). Choose (Ch ooze)
09:49
Lose (L Owes) .. shit
poor
Shh Jack :P
It's easier to remember this way even if it doesn't fit all scenarios :P
okay, I'll use anti-winner
think, loose => loose women .. lose => lose money
@Jack It's all logical. Just like Ghoti is pronounced /ˈfɪʃ/
09:52
@Jack ^ that is one of the most common mistakes in English
@Jack E_NO_EXP, though..
It is, isn't it. Except that English makes no sense.
Ghoti is a constructed word used to illustrate irregularities in English spelling. It is a respelling of the word fish: i.e., it is supposed to be pronounced /ˈfɪʃ/. It comprises these phonemes: gh, pronounced /f/ as in tough /tʌf/; o, pronounced /ɪ/ as in women /ˈwɪmɪn/; and ti, pronounced /ʃ/ as in nation /ˈneɪʃən/. An early known published reference is in 1874, citing an 1855 letter that credits ghoti to one William Ollier Jr (born 1824). Ghoti is often cited to support the English spelling reform, and is often attributed to George Bernard Shaw, a supporter of this cause. However, the word does...
@DaveRandom what, loose women? i agree :)
trololo :D
09:53
@DaveRandom I think that your wrong. This is one of the most common mistakes in English.
What, people thinking I'm wrong? Yes, that is a common mistake.
@DaveRandom When you see it...
Common and obvious. There's a lot of mistakes in grammar/spelling that go unmentioned.
Definately. -_-
@Fabien I never make misteks.
@SecondRikudo Good lord. Please leave. Immediately.
:-P
09:55
@SecondRikudo Your a genious.
=P Took you long enough
@Fabien Tank you.
@SecondRikudo you just did it. with that sentence.
Though, I do find it funny when people use defiantly instead of definitely.
@Fabien Spell checker, usually.
@Gordon sounds nearly like fish?
09:56
@AlmaDo Did I? You'll have to forgive me. I have sex daily.
I propose that we change the subject immediately before I am forced to kill you all.
@Jimbo want lunch today? Dunno what I fancy
@Farkie Apart from his mother, of course
12 hours ago, by DaveRandom
My role in this room, by the way, is to lower the tone
@DaveRandom What? Lusitanian renamed himself to Jimbo?
09:57
Before we do... here's a grammar blog that's entertaining at least.
@DaveRandom Id lik to sea u trai
The affecst of bad english do'nt affect me
The affects of bad english done effecting
giggidy
affect and effect, is what im getting at
Also Dangling participles. The suggested at the bottom are good too.
09:58
>.>
I use affect and effect correctly but I can never explain why. It's just a feeling I get as to which to use.
[ae]ffect sense
@DaveRandom I haven't met his mother, I think I've met his auntie
that counts, right?
It's hard to describe
I think one's a verb and one's a noun
effect can be both.
10:01
This effect affects me in an effective way.
which makes it perfect to keep people on their toes when you use it.
I'm seriously considering adding a Lester email filter.
in that sentence effect is the noun and affect is the verb
It effects him greatly. <-- Anyone :P
this issue effected a code change.
@Fabien that looks wrong
10:04
It is
@Jack that's like saying bread is not a noun because something can be breaded
@JoeGreen Eh?
Jam is a noun and yet something can be jammed.
oh right, my bad, nobody denied that effect is a noun
so how does one categorise words like effected, breaded, jammed?
@Gordon any material that I have given to him has been treated as a hidden slight
10:07
they're just regular verbs?
I remember having a long discussion with my friends about how 'boiled egg' isn't a thing. An egg is a thing and it has been boiled.
@tereško then you watch it and include it in your next argument. Theory of Constraints should be easy for a PM to understand.
.. should
@Fabien Adjectives must be something hard to comprehend ;-)
10:09
I convinced a few over the discussion. Some remained stuck on their position.
@tereško and if he sees it as a slight, maybe you two need a good talk together to get this barrier out of the communication
so you might say this issue effected a code change
@Fabien wait, hang on, you've had this discussion with more than one person?
@JoeGreen Yeah, it "brought about"
There was a group of us. Then it got brought up again at a later date.
@tereško it sounds like he feels disrespected as a professional.
10:10
Gawd, that reminds me of my study years
and yet the code change was an affect of the issue
@JoeGreen affect is not a noun.
heh
ive had enough
the more i think about it the less i understand
i had it down pat 10 minutes ago ;-)
We lost Dave too.
10:13
lol
@SecondRikudo hey man i need ur help, i got called from military they said that i need to come something like miunim with closed shoes, i didnt really understood do u know what is it
I know. That means: troubles
@JoeGreen Related XKCD.
@BenBeri Hmm, sounds like miunim for a ground unit of sort
Did you ask what it's about?
@Farkie Brought my own lunch today man
10:18
I wish I had lunch :(. What you got?
@Jack ...and yet the word "affectation" exists and in semantically distinct from "effect". Fuck you English.
I wish I had lunch. And dinner. What you got? :p
@tereško or maybe he feels threatened. There is lots of opportunity to feel threatened by agile methodologies. Especially if you are firmly grounded in the old PM school. You relinquish a lot of control and (illusionary) certainty. Calculations become much harder. And the added transparency makes it more obvious where weak points are (and it might be the PM). Also, fear of failing and/or losing job.
Does he even need a PM in the first place?
@Fabien Soup and a sandwhich, but a healthy soup from Asda and homemade brown breaded sandwhich with chicken, onion, pepper, lettuce, cucumber
10:21
Soup. That's not food, it's a drink.
@DaveRandom Never heard of that word lol
@Jimbo You lost me at "healthy"
@Fabien Yeah but combined with a sandwhich...
lol
Toasted sandwich? Those are ripe for the dunking
@Jack It means basically the same thing as "effect" but it's used in slightly different contexts which I'm struggling to put into an explanation
10:23
@DaveRandom I'll just that word when I need a synonym of Facade =D
@SecondRikudo nope i didnt ener.heard that hey said anything about replying the message, they did mention some number that starts with kohavit but i forgot. But i have 1 more year of studying lol what couldbit be
@BenBeri Miunim can and usually do happen during last year of school
You should call back or if you don't know the number, to your lishkat gius, and find out what it's about
class ComputerAffectation ... sounds legit.
extends India
> To many users that might look like a static method call, but it's actually an affectation
#NeverGetsOld
10:28
@Jimbo bah, I'm off the rest of the week
@BenBeri Do you know your profile/CBA etc?
@Gordon he is "firmly grounded" in Marketing project management.
who would go into project management
@tereško maybe, but he's not your enemy. you need to respect him as a professional, just as much as he needs to respect your expertise in your domain. you have to figure out a way to collaborate. all else is not helping the project.
I've nothing personal against project managers
I've worked with some good ones
But the thought of doing that job gives me shudders
10:32
@SecondRikudo nope because idk my password but my sav rishon was like in march
@Gordon It's worse when the boss always sides with the PM though.
@JoeGreen I tend to think project managers in programming teams are unnecessary.
@BenBeri Again, you should find that out :P
@Fabien Yep, I just became senior, I'm finding that out oh so fast.
Getting old aye @AlulaErrorpone ? :P
10:33
I do have the number btw it starys with 077
@Fabien Ancient :P I'm nearly 25. ;)
Damn. Didn't realise you were younger than me.
Soon I'll need a cane to walk!
@Fabien lol the biggest mistake is when a company has an engineering problem and tries to solve it by throwing managers at it
@Fabien yes, but then maybe agile methodologies are not right for the company. if the company culture is rooted in authority and process, there is no way @tereško will change this anytime soon. trying to do so will just wear him down.
10:35
@AlulaErrorpone I guess it really depends what type of thing is being delivered
@Gordon Aye :(. Becoming a bitter worker is no fun at all.
for pure programming projects, absolutely
@AlulaErrorpone OMG you are nearly dead /hides drivers license
@SecondRikudo miunim is deciding what i will do in army?
@AlulaErrorpone I disagree. Someone needs to do the reports and the paperwork and the planning and postprocessing of meetings and so on. The developers I know usually dont like these chores.
10:37
@BenBeri Miunim is the army figuring out whether you can serve in X Y or Z units
@AlulaErrorpone I agree that a lot of what they do feels odd for a developer but it's not like it's all nonsense. It's more a question of what of their classic activities still adds a value in an agile team.
Scary shit if its really.miunim
What's miunim?
Was talking to @secondrikudo
In an open chat.
10:42
Ah idk what it.means but i guess its what he explained
Ah right I see.
@Gordon Point taken, it's the project management side i.e. strict planning which really doesn't take into account agile principles.
Weird word for it.
Ye its.not in english
@BenBeri please stop posting messages with dots where there should be spaces, it's starting to make me twitch.
10:49
Sorry im on phone if i do that i misstaped the buttun
@Fabien Miunim = selections
Or sorting
But why did they say to come with closed shoes?
I'm no expert, but I imagine that open-toed sandals are not optimal military footwear
@BenBeri dat spacebar is too small, I agree kind sir!
@BenBeri There's probably gonna be some field stuff
Physical exercises or something?
But you can't be sure until you call them and find out exactly what kind of Miunim we're talking about here
10:58
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A: PHP, OOP - Form Validation

Jimbo Note: This is not the only way to do it; it is one of many and it is my personal interpretation of the problem in 10 minutes on my lunch break. Please bear in mind that this would be my implementation with the little information I'd have been given. In the real world, I would find out more abo...


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