I don't remember when I last saw requiring file relying on GET. /me sighs And it does not worth opening a ticket, since the answer will be admin should not be hacking him/herself. :)
@bwoebi Yeh but long has no representation of INF, so if you are going to convert double(INF) to long and not emit an error then 0 seems like a sane result to me
@Fabien I didn't study at uni, and neither did I pay to go to uni. I did spend a couple of years hanging out at my mates flats/houses taking drugs while they went to uni though, does that count?
Hello folks! I wrote a question, a while ago, about whether to choose Laravel or CI as a framework. I had some great responses, but, today when I tried to share the question with some friends, I realized it was closed.
Being the best of a selection of crap, is like winning a crap-eating contest. Sure, you won, but your mouth is full of shit, so who's the asshole in the end?
laravel 90% of the times suited my needs. maybe I'm not that skillful as I think of my self, but with laravel I achieved the delivery of pretty large projects, with spectacular outputs... so, I couldn't be more happy with it
it's a long story. Well, you actually should know what are frameworks and what's under cover there. But real use-case for certain things is very, very specific. It will always looks like - when you need a hammer, you'll take entire manufacturing facility to your app
Also, even if Laravel (or whatever other flavor-of-the-week) meets your needs, and you continue using it for 90% of everything, you're mentally binding yourself to it. It's best to keep a mental distance from the implementation details of framework X, or library Y; it helps you see the forest for the trees.
@bwoebi at one side - yes. But It's sad that I used only ZF (for some apps). So lack of experience. It's the case when you should know how to do bad for not doing bad
interesting point of views... for sure. I do not consider my self bonded to anything. But, very flexible, dynamic and open minded. and to be honest, I couldn't agree more with the "know jQuery, but not JavaScript" argument... even though I don't consider my self a good javascript writer
@DanLugg because the DOM is a complicated API on top of Javascript. Jquery hides that complicated world so that you can first familiarize you with JS before tackling the complicated part.
using jQuery, MooTools or any other JS framework... does not make anybody a bad developer, as long as they understand what they're actually doing and writing, and, ofcourse, following good, healthy and optimized coding habits
And the same thing happens with PHP frameworks. People learn framework X, and enough of PHP's syntax to mash things together. I'm sure there's a good portion of people who believe "controllers" are a first class language construct.
@DanLugg that's an issue, but not related to jQuery. It's just a coincidence that jQuery is really useful for writing much simpler looking code and attracts beginners that way.
@Leri yes. It is useful. I'm just against any kind of extreme for that. No sense to ignore jquery - it's really useful. Also no sense in hating pure javascript and know only one library
@Leri And I agree entirely. I'm not saying "YOU MUST KNOW OP CODES TO WRITE ECHO"; I'm saying that learn at whatever rate, in whatever order; but learn it all.
there are many useful tools - but, unfortunately, they all have their price - hiding something from user will immediately cause loosing control over those things
@AlmaDo I have to think of application idea, implement it in sql at the level described before and make demonstration either via executed procedures via cli or via some program.
> 09:09 <@Pierre> ircmaxell, either you participate or well... I dunno
> 09:16 <@Pierre> ircmaxell, and btw, it is so easy to play the good wise guy, behind the scene. But sometimes you have to get your hands in the motor to get things done. Again and again, without leaving the factory.
On the mention of static, I was wondering about caching reflection; it seems that by the nature of reflection, it would be understandable to cache them statically; thoughts?
@LeviMorrison and @ircmaxell I think before I can start a blog I need to put an rfc together to keep everyone happy ... was hoping with some help with that ... I have no idea how to keep people happy
@rdlowrey I'm really going to try and block it out so I can get something done ... I probably fucked up, I dunno, but I still want to to what I set out to do ...
@Pitchinnate About the same I think. The real benefit for me is maintainability and testability. Don't get me wrong I still use external tools / libaries. Just not entire full fledged (probably crap) frameworks
@PeeHaa gotcha, thanks for the insight, I currently use frameworks sometimes but it is purely for speed reasons, I feel like I can crank out projects much faster