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05:21
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 5 ★★☆☆☆ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:0.97 OpenNLP:0.99) comment cc: @ColdFire
fp or tp? meeh
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 6 ★★★☆☆ (Regex:true NaiveBayes:0.19 OpenNLP:0.97) comment cc: @ColdFire
@Queen fp
05:53
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06:45
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 4 ★★☆☆☆ (Regex:true NaiveBayes:0.00 OpenNLP:0.01) comment cc: @ColdFire
07:07
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 4 ★★☆☆☆ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:0.85 OpenNLP:1.00) comment cc: @ColdFire
@Queen fp
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@Queen tp
07:28
\o
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 4 ★★☆☆☆ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:0.86 OpenNLP:1.00) comment cc: @ColdFire
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07:50
Hiya
@queen notify
@Kyll Notification added if score is >=4
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 5 ★★☆☆☆ (Regex:true NaiveBayes:0.00 OpenNLP:1.00) comment cc: @Kyll @ColdFire @PetterFriberg
08:01
@Queen fp
Hiya @petter
What's up?
Today I hope it's a calm day need to work some... yesterday with that meta stuff to hectic.
Ntn much, Job continues. Unit Testing today.
I had no idea that I had to write the test cases myself. :D
Anyway back to study.
unit testing
08:05
: ) Have fun
puke puke
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 5 ★★☆☆☆ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:1.00 OpenNLP:0.97) comment cc: @Kyll @ColdFire @PetterFriberg
@Queen fp
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 10 ★★★★★ (Regex:true NaiveBayes:1.00 OpenNLP:1.00) comment cc: @Kyll @ColdFire @PetterFriberg
08:16
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 1 ☆☆☆☆☆ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:0.70 OpenNLP:0.93) comment
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 6 ★★★☆☆ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:1.00 OpenNLP:1.00) comment cc: @Kyll @ColdFire @PetterFriberg
..... 6?
How come?
@Queen fp
Wait
52k and 3k users throwing insults at each other?
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 6 ★★★☆☆ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:1.00 OpenNLP:0.99) comment cc: @Kyll @ColdFire @PetterFriberg
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 4 ★★☆☆☆ (Regex:true NaiveBayes:0.00 OpenNLP:0.00) comment cc: @Kyll @ColdFire @PetterFriberg
@Queen fp will remove the "be nice" regex soon
@Queen fp
08:37
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 4 ★★☆☆☆ (Regex:true NaiveBayes:0.96 OpenNLP:0.00) comment cc: @Kyll @ColdFire @PetterFriberg
@Queen fp
08:56
Oh, Plop Thaillie and Andras and triplee and omg so many people
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 4 ★★☆☆☆ (Regex:true NaiveBayes:0.01 OpenNLP:0.95) comment cc: @Kyll @ColdFire @PetterFriberg - fp
Mmmh
Which regex is that?
@Queen fp
@queen test [NSXMLElement insertChild:atIndex:], /Library/Caches/com.apple.xbs/Sources/Foundation/Foundation-‌​1259/XML.subproj/X‌​ML‌​Types.subproj/NSXMLE‌​lement.m:915. [2162:115322]
@Kyll [ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 0 ☆☆☆☆☆ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:0.44 OpenNLP:0.50)
@queen test Assertion
@Kyll [ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 0 ☆☆☆☆☆ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:0.50 OpenNLP:0.50)
09:01
@Kyll low scoring regex on child
@que test child
@PetterFriberg Ah, k
@PetterFriberg [ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 2 ★☆☆☆☆ (Regex:true NaiveBayes:0.53 OpenNLP:0.40)
its the open nlp pushing it up.. see the 0.95 value
I'm testing these low-scoring stuff to help where both nlp is not good enough...
Also
What do we make of Brad's comments from yesterday?
He seemed to be implying that we need a hella good transparency - kind of like Metasmoke and the Charcoal HQ
I'm thinking that if coupled with something like some automatic feedback script, we can get pretty good transparency and responsibility
yeah nice
09:08
Oh hey ankit is here
Plop ankit
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 4 ★★☆☆☆ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:0.96 OpenNLP:0.95) comment cc: @Kyll @ColdFire @PetterFriberg
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 4 ★★☆☆☆ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:0.96 OpenNLP:0.99) comment cc: @Kyll @ColdFire @PetterFriberg
@Kyll blob kyll whatsup teaching students still?
@Queen tp
@ColdFire Heh, not today
Today is writing day
@Kyll Yeah we need to think about, be careful sending stuff to socvr since it will get nuked.. I will avoid flagging if I see tp...
09:13
@PetterFriberg I think that nuking is great and that as long as we can provide the necessary tools for oversight (MetaSmoke style) we're doing a good job
With a wee bit of luck we can stop mean content from affecting whoever it is aimed at
then again he has general issue is chat room, also rooms like SOCVR.. I think if we keep control and act with honesty we will have no problem
The main problem for me seems to be that they not have good enough tooling, if they could have a quick overview of all user nuked stuff, they could both see if we are doing good and if users need suspension...
...
Could we provide that?
Fetch all deleted comments that have been reported by queen and confirmed by users of SOCVFinder
And display them
That is, provide a US that would only work thanks to a diamond privileges
Mh, it'd mean that only diamonds could actually have a clear eye on what we do
UserScript
i see
09:20
@Kyll [ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 6 ★★★☆☆ (Regex:true NaiveBayes:0.99 OpenNLP:0.77)
@Kyll [ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 2 ★☆☆☆☆ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:0.99 OpenNLP:0.78)
Might want to fix the regex here
@Kyll [ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 2 ★☆☆☆☆ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:0.99 OpenNLP:0.50)
@Queen what the fuck is this regex
@ColdFire Saying rude things never helps.
@Queen test what the fuck is this regex
09:21
@ColdFire [ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 7 ★★★☆☆ (Regex:true NaiveBayes:1.00 OpenNLP:0.14)
wow nb got full
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 4 ★★☆☆☆ (Regex:true NaiveBayes:0.00 OpenNLP:0.99) comment cc: @Kyll @ColdFire @PetterFriberg
@Queen fp
Yep, child regex is meh
:32559092 fp
yeah
@Kyll fixed
09:27
@PetterFriberg Yay, ty
@Kyll we could also do a web page displaying content report and I can query api to see if deleted or not... we would need @Tuna or Sam for this...
@Kyll but I will need to deploy
Tuna it about doing a web page similar to metasmoke... but for comments... hence query comments table
to help mods in thier tooling they would see what is nuked etc...
I read that. Hmmmm
probably we would need a login in to see it...
yes
yeah login should be required
09:31
and the only ones that could sign up are mods?
Hmm
@PetterFriberg To display the content of the comment?
but does that imply they'll need to regularly check what we did to spot issues?
Shouldn't we get Undo or ArtOfCode on this too? They're diamonds and already have great reporting experience with Metasmoke
@Kyll Yeah...
We need a login because we can't have rude comments publibly available
09:34
@Tunaki Yeah, got it
@Tunaki Well if the interface is nice you could do grouping and stuff like that hence if you like to look into the issue you check now and then + it would increase or transparency...
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 4 ★★☆☆☆ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:0.99 OpenNLP:0.97) comment cc: @Kyll @ColdFire @PetterFriberg
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 4 ★★☆☆☆ (Regex:true NaiveBayes:0.00 OpenNLP:0.00) comment cc: @Kyll @ColdFire @PetterFriberg
But this stuff need's dev time
@Queen fp
@Queen fp
@Queen fp
09:35
@Queen fp ... need to remove : )
it also means that if you want to review the actions here, only mods can do that
and they don't have time to do that
well if we nuke stuff for them they have more time : )
not if there's a custom flag with it explaining what was nuked :)
@Tunaki This is the very same dilemma of SmokeDetector!
Mortals can't review what's done in the Charcoal HQ or SOCVR with Smokey, not without Metasmoke
@Kyll but the post are in plain sight for everybody
09:39
Now, Metasmoke made the choice to publicly display spam content.
Yeah the interface would be useful, but we need to find someone who likes to dev it...
@Tunaki meeh also the comments...
and I 'd argue that even ourselves cannot review what's done here
The issue here is that we can't be as transparent as Metasmoke, I think, due to the pain comments could cause
yep
@Tunaki well it's similar to meta smoke, we can check from report time, how long it took to get deleted (socket)...
09:41
Hence: Get Undo or AoC or even Brad here and discuss with them about this
with the feedback we could more or less know if it was nuked.
@PetterFriberg Yeah, feedback + time of deletion
The final question would be: How can we provide transparency to the community all while being unable to publicly display deleted comments due to the harm they could cause?
but again first lets find someone who is willing to dev it and host it... (I could probably setup a server), but at the moment I have little dev tim
Why can't we generally have a single flag for the most not constructive comments, and leave the nuking to comments that really deserve it + raising a custom flag with it?
Yeah that's what we do more or less now... but it's really hard to controll...
09:43
@Tunaki Because nuking can allow us to destroy comments before they do any harm
^^ I agree but mods would need to be ok with that and I test that concept on Brad's post...
Yes, but then it goes out of moderator scope.
Next time Undo is in we can discuss it some with him
Yes
@Tunaki How so? It's exactly what we do with spam
09:45
For me the issue is very similar as spam, the quicker you remove the less damage it does and the less frequent it is...
Hmm, Where does this convo begin?
OK
then the UI can show comments nuked as not constructive
and hide comments nuked as rude
44 mins ago, by Kyll
What do we make of Brad's comments from yesterday?
login would be needed to see those
@Tunaki Yeah... Except we don't have access to that information
We can't even know if a comment was deleted by flags, a diamond, or the author
09:49
the only way is through feedback
@Kyll ty, reading
tp rude
tp nc
@Tunaki Well, that gives us the feedback. Not the actual flags... Same as for MS though.
Yeah...
But in the case of MS, either red flags still indicate entirely inappropriate content
In the case of non-constructive it's slightly more... controversial, as outlined by some reactions to the Meta post
09:51
tp rude -> hide comment in UI and only show for logged in moderators
tp nc -> show comment to UI
maybe always login... there is also the issue of "unearth"
So basically, we have the power to label stuff as rude to hide it from the eyes of the community (phrasing intended)
or the other solution is.... drop "tp nc" because everybody is "meh ok" anyway......
I'd only use the rude one
tp rude -> This should be nuked and hidden from innocent eyes
prepare for wrong use of tp by me
09:55
I do not know if we are able to automatically Sanitize all comments, so maybe login is always required...
Let's put that on hold until we can have input from Undo or AoC?
So who reviews MetaSmoke anyway? It's RO at Charcoal. But they also use the system. I'm re-reading Brad's comments there and how are they not applying to SD? We're a bunch of chatrooms coordinating spam flags without outside review, since the people reviewing are also the ones flagging. The huge difference is that SD is present for some long time, has mods running it, and targets more than 1 chat room (more people, less chance of going wild).
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 5 ★★☆☆☆ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:1.00 OpenNLP:0.96) comment cc: @Kyll @ColdFire @PetterFriberg
10:13
So we need those 3 things.
Long presence, nothing we can do about that.
Having mods running it. Well, not really much we can do about it also.
So... the option is deploy to other rooms. Like the Tavern, except it's SO only.
That raises the question. Why SO only?
In theory, the whole thing could and should work whatever the site, right?
So that is my idea -- expand to the whole SE network (as a simple beta to start with) and ask chat rooms if they're interested in this.
@Tunaki many smaller sites apparently have much less of a problem
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 6 ★★★☆☆ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:0.99 OpenNLP:1.00) comment cc: @Kyll @ColdFire @PetterFriberg
@Queen tp leads to argument
10:32
@Tunaki Seems like a grand plan : )
that worries me a bit
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 4 ★★☆☆☆ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:0.97 OpenNLP:0.96) comment cc: @Kyll @ColdFire @PetterFriberg
if someone have time and fun doing it in the meanwhile we could develop a web interface.
@Queen fp
@PetterFriberg I think maybe it's time I step down
down or up : )
I am RO, down is the only way I can go :p
10:38
naa, you can't kick yourself... you are doomed by now : )
we need you to keep the peace : )
I don't want anything to do with the politics and meta drama that has been going on lately, I have been keeping quiet and not participated in any of it and I think if people come here and see my name in italics I will give the wrong impression
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 4 ★★☆☆☆ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:0.92 OpenNLP:1.00) comment cc: @Kyll @ColdFire @PetterFriberg
@TimCastelijns As you wish, We are happy to have you as RO, that does not mean you need partecipate on meta and stuff like that, it only means that you help out sometimes to keep the room in check. but if you feel you do not like to do this it's ok, np
Furthermore I have no plans on other meta, the objective was more or less meet, its now public on meta that we are checking comments...
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 4 ★★☆☆☆ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:1.00 OpenNLP:0.87) comment cc: @Kyll @ColdFire @PetterFriberg
10:46
Which was one of the fundamental issues, be as public as possibile...
@Queen tp
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 6 ★★★☆☆ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:1.00 OpenNLP:0.99) comment cc: @Kyll @ColdFire @PetterFriberg
@Tim I do not care about impression and stuff like that, I only care what you have fun doing, so just ping me with what ever you like do.
@PetterFriberg maybe we should care about impressions, now that we are gathering more attention via meta etc
meeh the attention is already gone...
people just care to push in some witty comments... then they move to next...
10:54
and then I really appreciate your and Andras more tough view, it helps us to not become to "hipster"
The meta showed a lot of people thinking that "to much hipster"
The post drifted some what, the basic idea was to just say yes or no and argue why yes or no, but the topic is very sensitive so it become to personal, op's fault, who cares I'm right passing those comments etc. Anyway the meta is over by now, people "on meta" know we are looking, CM answered we can continue... so I can't see how we can be more transparent then that.
well people are bastards
there, I helped:P
The lesson we need to learn is that it a sensitive topic, so not commenting back etc is a good rule.
@PetterFriberg Brad is a moderator, right?
There is no hope to convince people to be less aggressive, so no need to comment back
@AndrasDeak aah he is?, I taught he was SE staff...
Yeah you right, but it also true that he is a long term mod... so I guess we are ok anyway
No, he's really nice, and always takes responsibility for his mistakes. That alone should've been a dead giveaway:P
11:05
: ), yeah I like Brad to, he maybe only should be less afraid of coordinated efforts (I have seen him in SOCVR also talking about this problem), but I guess he has much more experience then me about the problem, so lets take his advice
@PetterFriberg I stopped meddling in reported comments a long time ago. I don't want this room to get negative attention because of me
Yeah unfortunately it's kind of useless in most situation
you end up just feeding the stuff..., lets leave it to mods...
Also I think part of why you made me RO back then is I said I would help with the development etc, and I never really did, and I feel bad about that
lol, meeh you showed interest and are present, I don't give about that, do what the heck you have fun doing.... no one is getting paid over here (not even in repzzz)
No one needs to do anything, specially if they have fun doing something else....
If I can do CV batches and report on comments as a regular user.. I am fine with that
11:11
@queen 5 [meteor] cv=4
Sorry your query did not produce any result
wah.
@queen index [meteor]
:4174897 This tag is not monitored in this room, contact RO for more info
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 4 ★★☆☆☆ (Regex:true NaiveBayes:0.00 OpenNLP:0.01) comment cc: @Kyll @ColdFire @PetterFriberg
I am the freaking RO >.>
better contact yourself
11:12
@Queen p
@Kyll :-)
@Queen fp
.... Now she's taunting
@Tim this is more an issue if you like to not have the "responsibility", hence I do not want my name involved in this, I can understand that and really np, but otherwise just stay RO and come and do what the heck you like.
@TimCastelijns lol
@Kyll you need to add tag : )
11:14
@queen add [meteor]
@Kyll Tag has been added to room and duplicate notifications for hammer in tag are available
@queen index [meteor]
Starting to index tag: meteor
@Kyll Index of tag meteor completed
Scan statistics tag [meteor]
  Date    # questions  # closed       CV1       CV2       CV3       CV4        PD
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
09 Aug             15         0     0 (0)     0 (0)     0 (0)     0 (0)      1(1)
10 Aug             21         0     0 (0)     0 (0)     0 (0)     0 (0)      0(0)
11 Aug             27         0     0 (0)     0 (0)     0 (0)     0 (0)      0(0)
12 Aug             24         0     0 (0)     0 (0)     0 (0)     0 (0)      0(0)
@queen 5 [meteor] cv=4
Sorry your query did not produce any result
11:15
meeh not much stuff to close : )
there is nothing Kyll see the stats...
Oh yeah, nothing with 4 CVs
only 2 at cv3
@PetterFriberg fine we keep going as we have been then :-)
Well then
@PetterFriberg and if it happens most of the thing is from SO, it doesn't matter
11:16
@queen 5 [javascript] cv=4
Kyll in javascript scanned 1068 questions between May 21 23:14 and Aug 30 13:13 filtered and ordered: 5 in batch 1628
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 4 ★★☆☆☆ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:1.00 OpenNLP:0.80) comment cc: @Kyll @ColdFire @PetterFriberg - fp
@TimCastelijns Yeah kick'em all, anyway if you change your mind just tell me, really np
@Queen fp
@Queen fp
at least it would have a reach over the whole network. And I hope other people will be interested in doing this
SD works because people use it a lot
11:18
the difference is also that it does not target established users which instead is our problem....
nope, it does not target established users as well as we only moderate content :)
that is right
@PetterFriberg I thought more people would be visiting since we got some attention. And I don't want people to have expectations of me (because I'm RO) that I cannot meet. Like people asking questions I cannot answer because I am not as closely involved as you tuna and kyll for example. But it seems we are fine for now so no need to change anything I guess
@Tunaki true it targets "established users" content
@queen done
11:21
Kyll Thank you for your effort, you reviewed 5 questions, I counted 4 (80%) close votes and 4 questions closed
@TimCastelijns Just tell'em to ping @Tuna : ) and you are only here to check that the system is used correctly.
Your are monitoring Tuna
[ Heat Detector ] SCORE: 4 ★★☆☆☆ (Regex:false NaiveBayes:1.00 OpenNLP:0.87) comment cc: @Kyll @ColdFire @PetterFriberg
does Tuna go insane sometimes @PetterFriberg?
@Queen tp
@ColdFire lets hope so
11:24
oh it's hot
someone should monitor that post, next time we need to flag for moderator... (user probably not understanding why they get deleted)
@PetterFriberg you mean he goes insane sometimes that he needs monitoring? jk
@ColdFire meeh everybody needs to be monitored except Tim
@PetterFriberg Tim is sarcasm king he doesn't need monitoring i agree on that
I have not posted a sarcastic comment today
11:29
> Hello, I am Tim, and I haven't posted a snarky comment in one day.
Hellooo Tim!
Hey andres o/
Welcome to the group Tim
I see what you did there
the joke is appropriate, nice :D
11:31
yeah Tim first of his name, the king of sarcasm, shovler of comments
11:47
opps. Tim the meta went hot... hide quick : )
Peter Mortensen will swoop down on that hyphen and whitespace in the title
hmm, they already removed my end...
Shakespeare was not appreciated
@PetterFriberg damn you and your post
lol, just hide... and then you can do better then that "damn" is for old people : )
time for some lunch, have fun Tim : )
11:54
haha
@PetterFriberg cya
@PetterFriberg I'm nearing 30
@TimCastelijns 26!=30

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