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15:02
feedback might be helpful but also I don't want to update the tests again :p
@Andrea What's a "convertible object"?
@Jimbo Aerys can do that, yes, even with HTTP/1. But why not just use WebSockets? They already have built-in message framing and a ping / pong mechanism.
@kelunik Does HTTP/2 not handle that for you? I also read that it handles multiplexing for you as well
And what's a 'ping-pong mechanism'?
@Jimbo Yes, H2 does multiplexing, but those are just different requests / responses. It's not what a streaming API usually does.
@Jimbo Checking whether the other side is still alive.
@kelunik Ah, so with the ping-pong mechanism you're also referring to websocket's ability to provide an onclose callback?
(on the client, er, I think)
15:11
Ping pong helps to detect whether there's just no data at the moment or whether the other side totally died.
There's also a TCP keep-alive option IIRC, don't know what the ping mechanism on top of that provides additionally.
@Jimbo in this case it means one supporting __toString
@Jimbo the error messages are more detailed when you pass the wrong type:
wait oops
@kelunik This is helpful in my understanding, thanks
Fatal error: Uncaught TypeError: Argument 1 passed to foo() must be a string (or integer, float, boolean or convertible object), array given, called in Command line code on line 1 and defined in Command line code:1
versus
Fatal error: Uncaught TypeError: Argument 1 passed to foo() must be a string (or integer, float, boolean or convertible object), non-convertible (does not support __toString) object given, called in Command line code on line 1 and defined in Command line code:1
Ahh, a "convertible object" is one that can be converted to a string through the use of __toString()
15:20
Same thing with the other cases where I said “convertible”. I use that single word for brevity's sake to convey that not all values of that type are accepted. If you pass a non-convertible value of that type, the error is more specific about why it's not convertible.
Shouldn't that be "string convertible", we may even include __toInt() in the future :D
@Jimbo Well, it's convertible in this context.
Fatal error: Uncaught TypeError: Argument 1 passed to foo() must be an integer (or convertible float, convertible string or boolean), array given, called in Command line code on line 1 and defined in Command line code:1
Is it converted or casted?
@Jimbo same thing really
In a moment of realisation, I twat
I just realised I need to thank @taylorotwell for my salary. I currently remove Laravel from projects suffering from performance problems
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Wes
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15:29
ahahahaha
#shotsfired :P
my actual role model
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@Andrea do i have to be worried about something? :D
god the PHP test suite is so awful
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or just fixing/improving error messages?
@Wes if you're parsing error messages, yes
@Wes just that. I feel it's unfinished business really
why do we have thousands of tests that basically just check that zend_parse_parameters() is working properly for every function
15:33
I was actually thinking of starting a blog, with some title like "Scaling Laravel", it would have one post, and the content would be "Spend more money"
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@Andrea Boo! The message exceeds the 140 character limit. :-(
@Jeeves gdi
Thank you @Jeeves for respecting my privacy
@Leigh You're welcome!
15:34
@jeeves please scold Andrea
@Andrea What are you?
good enough, good, enough
@Jeeves that is not for you to know
@Leigh But I have to go.
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by the way @Andrea can we fix:
15:35
Andrea, coming south of the border for the yearly mancunian shindig?
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!!> $lol = 33; $lol();
@Andrea Why not?
@Leigh In all seriousness, was this a random cannon shot or did you find some serious shit?
[ 7.0.0 - 7.1.5 ] Fatal error: Uncaught Error: Function name must be a string in /in/DY8N2:1 Stack trace: #0 {main} thrown in /in/DY8N2 on line 1 <br/><i>Process exited with code <b title="Generic Error">255</b>.</i>
@Leigh PHPSC?
15:35
[ hhvm-3.15.4 - 3.19.0 ] Fatal error: Uncaught Error: Function name must be a string in /in/DY8N2:1 Stack trace: #0 {main} <br/><i>Process exited with code <b title="Generic Error">255</b>.</i>
[ 5.6.0 - 5.6.30 ] Fatal error: Function name must be a string in /in/DY8N2 on line 1 <br/><i>Process exited with code <b title="Generic Error">255</b>.</i>
that or NW
wait, I said mancunian, I meant NW
@Wes what's wrong with that?
@Leigh I'd have to find an excuse
not for others, for myself
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!!> $lol = new class{}; $lol();
[ 7.0.0 - 7.1.5 ] Fatal error: Uncaught Error: Function name must be a string in /in/3ZhiA:1 Stack trace: #0 {main} thrown in /in/3ZhiA on line 1 <br/><i>Process exited with code <b title="Generic Error">255</b>.</i>
as to why to spend the money
that or think of something to talk about
15:36
[ hhvm-3.15.4 - 3.19.0 ] Fatal error: Uncaught Error: Function name must be a string in /in/3ZhiA:1 Stack trace: #0 {main} <br/><i>Process exited with code <b title="Generic Error">255</b>.</i>
[ 5.6.0 - 5.6.30 ] Parse error: syntax error, unexpected 'class' (T_CLASS) in /in/3ZhiA on line 1 <br/><i>Process exited with code <b title="Generic Error">255</b>.</i>
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should be "called a non-callable" or something
I never thought I'd have to say it to a native islander, but if money is a problem, we can fix that
@Wes eh, I guess so
Can we have Jeeves retweet something?
That should've been a Jeeves quote
Actually, a lot of conferences have unpublished student deals
(not student related) I met a guy at PHPUK (@Jimbo's fault) from africa, he mailed the organisers saying he cant afford the ticket, and they paid for him to attend
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What I'm trying to say is.. @Andrea.. you're valuable, so if you want to go, we can make it happen. <3
15:39
@Leigh That's awesome
@Jimbo do you not remember?
he was showing you pictures of his kids...
@Andrea PS - Speak to Mark Baker his diversity initiative helps with this and he will sort you out (I talked to him yesterday)
@Leigh Was I smashed?
@Jimbo by the time you were heading back to your hotel, yes.... if you remember the "free bar" ended around 6pm, and we were sticking it to the man by going to the pub next to the venue... you and your personality picked every person standing alone, put them in a group, forced them to talk, and then we went for a few beers
I still remember how to say cheers in estonian
turvisex ... or close to it
@Leigh Oh wait, at PHPUK, I misread and thought you were on about PHPNW. Yeah really nice guys, in fact if you look at joind.in he mentions that a "nice member of the community" or something helped him out. Made my happy :-)
Yeah I remember him
OHHH, that african guy
He was really nice
conference was bollocks, spending time with you and the motley crew you gathered was the best part
people vs. product placement
pretty obvious
15:43
yep
This is why I'm totally for NFP conferences, like PHPNW
he really wanted you to see pictures of him surfing, and his kids.... hahah
not for profit
ah mate, at the right time of year, I bang on about c3
this year it will be 34c3
because it's in it's 34th year
zero sponsors
leave your business at home
amazing, amazing community
C3? Never been
it's between christmas and new year, in germany
15:45
Wait I googled it, it's not the "Creative church conference" is it?
hacker conference.. in the purest sense... computers, ethics, art, science, politics
:D
chaos communication congress
Sounds a bit different
I couldn't get a ticket this year, 9000 attendees
<- last year
15:47
Oh it's going to Leipzig
ah yea, met one of the organisers in france at dotsecurity
he said they'd outgrown the venue
plan is for 12k this year
That's mental
@andrea you were (are?) studying german.. is it above degree level, are you studying hochdeutsch and such?
Free bar?
no
15:50
@Leigh was, I'm no longer on that course
no sponsors, you pay
you pay civilian rates though, not inflated corporate rates, viva the hacker ethic
@Andrea ah ok, would also recommend the conf to you, talks are (mostly) in english
very small camps that have some that are not
politics, science, ethics, tech... totally in your ball park
@Jimbo Technically, it's just a bidirectional stream and we would not need websockets … pretty much like you can do long-polling. Effectively it will still be long polling, just with the fact that a server can send a push promise and may save you a round trip, because browsers won't notify your about push promises. Additionally you have to make sure that you do not get race conditions with push promises…
race conditions... and HTTP... a haha, you crazy
oh wait, non-locking sessions... ;(
@Leigh e.g. you send two push promises subsequently, but the client only has fetched one after both arrived (and logically will discard the first one)…
"discard" seems a bit cowboy.. surely that only makes sense for certain types of request
I didn't read the preceding conversation, so I have no context
knee-jerk reaction, boooo at discarding things
16:02
today I am falling in love with sed for fixing tests en-masse
why did I ever do this manually when I could just use sed and xargs
UNIX is good sometimes
Oh Andrea, like many of us, you were born into this world far past the time you would have shined
(not that you don't shine... just that it would have been met with more enthusiasm)
although I'm more of an awk user myself
16:18
cannot log in online editor with svn account – #74618
oooh, svn, edgy
@Farkie We found your doppelgänger!. Bloody hell!
@Leigh I grew up on old computers :p
speaking of old computers
sure, but wrong decade to be inventing
16:28
(with old computers in mind)
> The table of contents is too big for display.
well.
@Andrea please tell me that's a midi file
@bwoebi look at the non-test-updating patches, I separated them out for a reason :)
@Leigh ideally it would be, but modern browsers don't play those, for better or worse
god damnit future!"
I still have my favourite midi's, like the intro to monkey island...
@Leigh I think it sounds best on MT-32
16:31
my first experience was an original amiga 500, I dobut it could sound better
@Andrea yeah, I'm just surprised at github …^^
@Andrea Hmm, can I get that as my screensaver?
@Jimbo install a screensaver that lets you use a web page!
is there anyway i can connect the remote database server to PHPMYADMIN in my local machine ??
there are couple of articles online but all of them give different settings and no proper method of doing it.
@Smple_V 1) install phpmyadmin 2) enter your database details
though if you're managing a database locally you might as well use a desktop app
16:38
@Andrea I already have phpmyadmin that i am using for developing on localhost . I want to manage the database that's on the remote server using the same interface of PHPMYADMIN if that's possible ......or any other interface that's similar
okay
I just told you how
But you didn't do it for him
That's what we're here for, right?
@Jimbo STFU !!!
@Smple_V That's more like it! That's exactly how you'll get help!
@Jimbo basically: you could abuse the HTTP/2 protocol to do the same as websockets … but you'll need a specific client which allows for that. But no chance with browsers.
16:44
@bwoebi So what's the guy on about in his long-ass post then?
He's talking about it being technically possible, even though nobody'll do it?
@Jimbo he's talking about the spec, which technically allows for it, yes.
There's always one person...
@Jimbo there should be a limit for being a douchebag. It was a general question, You correct when someones wrong
Anonymous
moin
Clearly some shit went wrong with you, better take your frustration elsewhere, this place is to learn
16:50
Yep, I'm super frustrated. Keep it up!
Anonymous
@Smple_V Wind your neck in. You've just been told what to do, 1) install 2) configure
as you said always a person LOL
have a good day mate !!
Anonymous
thank you.
@JayIsTooCommon Jay, some shit went wrong with me. What do I do? Should I use Laravel?
clearly the answer
Anonymous
16:52
@Jimbo hold on, i'll see if I can find a laracast for shit went wrong
god, I happened upon laracast by pure chance
and I feel bad for my niece, cause her name's Laralin, but most people just call her Lara
Hi there!
Can anybody please help me out with Instagram API ?
I've created the account
Filled out all the details
Added a user to Sandbox
But my "Client-ID" doesn't work
when I pass it to url
I just want to fetch all of the posts of an account
have you tried echoing out the client ID to make sure it's what it should be?
I'm in the panel
I can see the client ID
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@Andrea omg best thing ever
@Wes ^^
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dat tune
i think i've never heard it up until the very end
I have many times
SB16 was my first sound card.
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when was it played exactly? on start up?
@Wes that music? no, CANYON.MID is just one of a bunch of tunes bundled with Windows since Windows 3.1
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17:09
ahhh, right
the startup sound on Windows 95 was The Microsoft Sound
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wasn't it played also along with a screensaver?
I think all the screensavers were silent
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member when screensavers looked like the best thing in the world
17:10
@Jimbo Boo! The message exceeds the 140 character limit. :-(
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especially that one with the pipes
@Jeeves Dick
!!uptime
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@Jimbo And yours?
17:10
I remember that, and the moving walls as well
Lol. Didn't take Jeeves long
^ That's the one
Remember Hover?
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yes :P
I used to play it just for the music...
17:12
Any help please
?
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never been a fan though. my first proper 3d game was doom
i still remember everything of doom, doom2 and duke nukem 3d :B
I think my first 3D game was this really old Mac OS 7 game, maybe it was OS 6...
it was grayscale
I only vaguely remember it, I was a small child and my dad was showing it to me. I think the first 3D game I REMEMBER is Marathon.
@ZahidSaeed the error you're getting is that the client ID is invalid, yes? Check to make sure that your app is handling the client ID and not a null value by echoing out the variable to make sure it's correct.
@Tiffany Currently I'm just putting the access token in the URL bar
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first game i played a lot apart the obvious arcade, tetris, pong etc is:
cc @Andrea
just to see if I get any response
17:16
ah, I dunno then
Do I need to use to "Secret" key or Client ID ?
Tried both
none of them worked
Btw
secret key is probably set in your app and isn't passed through the URL
I'm trying to use Sandbox mode
have you ever tried setting up google recaptcha?
17:18
it comes with two keys, a public key and a private key. the public key is exposed to the public, but the private key stays hidden within the server-side code
so if instagram has two keys, then you may have to write something to do it, and may not be able to do it just by typing it in the query string
yeah right
that's all the ideas I have, back to cleaning
@tereško Finally I did it .. I implemented bonobogitserver on a local computer ..! Its' awesome. I'm excited a bit :P :-)
@Shafizadeh cool
but you probably will have to put it on your company's server, when you are sure that you know how to use it
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17:27
no eh? never heard of it? :B they even made a movie about that very game
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18:04
@NikiC so i think i've examined all the scenarios... and i don't think there is a way to do that in one traversal only of the probe sequence stackoverflow.com/questions/44086739 i need to check first if the key exists first traversing the buckets, if found i replace the associated value, otherwise i proceed with the insert
18:19
@Wes I was afk. Yes, heard of Prince of Persia, but haven't played it.
18:44
@Wes you sound old.
19:18
hi
20:14
Are there any people experienced in the installation of MediaWiki? I'm having trouble to change the logo. When I replaced the line inside **LocalSettings.php** with:
```php
$wgLogo = $wgScriptPath . '/images/4/47/mylogo.png';
```
The logo changes to the original Wikipedia logo but not mine.
20:33
@Andrea I like some of this, but other parts feel like too much information
The part that tells you why something was not accepted is useful, but the part that tells you what is valid in weak mode imho is unnecessary
It's unnecessarily pedantic
@NikiC It's verbose, but I'd rather it be verbose than misleading.
It's not even dishonest, it only "expects" :P
That's true
It just also deals
20:37
@Wes not seeing why single loop is not possible
How was phpkonf @NikiC?
@NikiC One benefit here is that it tells you what the specific expectations are of the type checking mode you're operating in.
Currently error messages are the same for both strict and weak mode, which is… unhelpful.
If it says it expects a string, it might accept an integer, but it won't tell you that.
@PeeHaa Was nice. Compared to phpday the organization was less smooth, but I had a lot more productive conversation here
Nice \o/
Also really tired because my flight yesterday got delayed by 6h, so I went to sleep at 1am and had to get up again at 7am :(
20:43
6hours O.o
holy shit
You basically arrived at the same time as Ekin :P
Were the talks recorded?
I think so
I saw a camera standing there
kk coolio
Heh I met Ekin but we talked for like 2 minutes
:(
I told her to get you a drink :P
I am dissapoint
:D
@Andrea Maybe an indicator of strict/weak (if relevant) might be more useful?
I mean you can't really explain the full semantics in the error message anyway...
So maybe it's good enough to just say which one it is?
20:48
@NikiC Maybe.
What time is your flight back tomorrow?
@NikiC Well, these messages come close. It tells you what types are accepted, and whether all values of those types are.
@PeeHaa I'm leaving on monday
Noice
It gives you enough information that you can hopefully figure out what to do /without/ reading the manual
Which is good, because the PHP manual is useless
20:49
Yeah gotta do some sightseeing ^^
Yeap
never been to istanbul before
You been to turkey before?
nope
Anonymous
20:57
!!peehaa
@PeeHaa should come to phpsc and phpnw
BTW if you want to eat try manti @NikiC
It's a super weird combo but so good
@NikiC have you been to Constantinople?
Old person ^
@Danack haha
21:09
@Danack :P
21:35
@PeeHaa An example project that shows how to use Docker, with separate containers for web, db and javascript compiling. github.com/Danack/ReactTutorial Let me know how you get on, kid.
22:06
@PeeHaa I kinda call it that too
I think it might be related to time, when you stopped paying attention in history classes
 
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