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2:02 PM
@JoeWatkins the echo is frustrating
 
I am very terrible at using computers ... live with it ...
 
@JayIsTooCommon is:issue sort:comments-desc
Takes out popcorn
 
@JoeWatkins maybe buy a better mic?
 
I have one ... is very nice ...
"it doesn't work"
 
Anonymous
> stop fuckign argunign with me!
 
Anonymous
2:04 PM
Just one of his many gems
 
Anonymous
> im right your wrong! im not wasting my time going through each part with you!
 
@JoeWatkins buy a mac then, they "just works"
 
Anonymous
I'm gonna stop reading because it's ruining my day.
 
I'm allergic to mac, and windows
 
Try mac and cheese, it's much nicer
@JoeWatkins The guy is a prick, and you should never use it, however as a consumer it's likely you have unknowingly interacted with it and that is why you should keep trying @kelunik
 
2:08 PM
@JayIsTooCommon Wow
That is toxic.
 
Anonymous
He is toxic.
 
"If you want/need, you can ask for training sessions in this catalogue <link to catalogue>"
There're only bullshit Agile/Big Data training sessions…
"DE CHEF DE PROJECT À MANAGER AGILE" they're literally using both the english and the french in the same title
(caps intended, you can't be an agile manager without caps. Caps are dynamic.)
(and annoying. Like an agile manager)
 
@Trucy In England we call that Franglais
 
@DaveRandom at this point it's a better use of time if when you come across you, you implore whoever is using it to ditch it ... it has serious problems, aside from the toxic management of the project
 
@DaveRandom In French we call it "Business english"
(pronounce english words with hard R of course, you don't want to speak a correct english)
 
Anonymous
2:13 PM
@JoeWatkins 300k+ users though, leave them all with a vulnerability or leave it and tell the 1% not to use it. I prefer the former
 
(of course programming-related trainings are listed under "digital" and not "engineering")
 
you didn't create the vulnerability, and you should know that there is no reasonable way to have it fixed either ... with mgmt that are happy to say that there is never any issue, and who are unprofessional, and who are unreasonable ... I don't see the point wasting time on that ...
how many readers do medium posts get ? maybe writing medium posts about how terrible it is and why is a better use of time than trying to engage mgmt at this point ...
 
@JoeWatkins Because when there is some security breach and a shitload of people's credit card details are stolen or something, it will reflect badly on PHP in the view of the wider world
 
but you see what happens when you try to fix it ... not years ago, less than a month ago ...
 
@JoeWatkins That was step one, responsible disclosure. When that's not accepted, it's time for irresponsible disclosure (with PoC and fix ready). If that happens a few times one of two things will happen: either the guy will start being less of a throbbing purple member or the fact that he's doing that will become better known and people will stop using it
Although if you don't follow through it is indeed pointless
 
2:22 PM
if he was going to change his attitude, it would have happened already
 
fine, we'll just take a contract out on him then
@DejanMarjanovic you are needed
 
(sent a mail to ask if it's possible to attend conferences rather than trainings, as they're cheaper and of better quality)
 
@Trucy but the question is, will you learn more of them? ^^
 
@Naruto probably
you can't learn programming by sitting in a classroom
 
nor can you learn alot by going to a conference, falling a sleep :P
 
2:25 PM
Can you learn it by sitting in a bath of cold baked beans?
 
@DaveRandom wtf?
 
you new here
 
@Naruto asking for a friend
 
Anonymous
@JoeWatkins It'd be good to expose him
 
xD
@DaveRandom for science ;)
 
2:26 PM
@DaveRandom hehehe
 
Anonymous
@Naruto you can learn a lot at a conference
 
@Naruto sure, science
 
@JoeWatkins You need a better microphone.
>but i mean
 
@DaveRandom anyway, try it and let me know! make sure to add pictures, for future reference ;)
 
Anonymous
@Naruto can you stop flirting with him please? I'm getting jealous.
 
2:32 PM
28 mins ago, by Joe Watkins
I have one ... is very nice ...
 
@JayIsTooCommon I thought you were into rdlowrey
 
Anonymous
@littlepootis who isn't?
 
Anonymous
@JoeWatkins where are the other two?
 
@JayIsTooCommon if you want to get in the tub with him, nobody is stopping you...
 
@JayIsTooCommon it's usually just me and ed when I go on ... I don't do well when there are lots of people ...
 
Anonymous
2:36 PM
ah, fair enough
 
also, one of them was travelling the world last time I heard, and the other is at uni studying iirc ... I think there are rarely all of them in general ... I did do one with two others, and I couldn't get it together very well
 
Is it a good idea to store a PGP signed message in a smart chip card for offline verification? Though it has a storage of 1KB so the PGP signature takes a lot of space is there a better alternative? without having to share a private key?
 
@someone Usually the smart chip would contain the private key (or an intermediate private key) so that it can answer challanges
 
The sle4428 is not actually that smart it has only a write protected PIN code and that's it. So it does not have a microprocessor
 
2:49 PM
Server has public, your card has private, when you want to authenticate, server sends you a challenge encrypted by your public, you decrypt it with your private, then the server knows you're who you say you are.
 
Anonymous
surrounded by drink, the usual
 
@Ekin RUUUUUUUUUN!!!!!!1111oneoneleven
 
and cigars
 
@MadaraUchiha Online verification is easy if we have a server. But I want users to be able to verify that the information are correct without internet access.
 
Anonymous
@Ekin 112 is the number there I think
 
2:50 PM
@DaveRandom yeah about that. Bit too late for that now
 
@someone What information?
 
I don't want to embed a private key in the application because it can be easily stolen. Like First name, last name, expiration date, id number ..etc.
 
@Ekin who's that?
 
@PeeHaa is that coffee place named after you? :-S
 
@someone To verify a signature, you need to have the public that matches said signature
Who verifies the information if not a server of some sort?
 
2:51 PM
@DaveRandom I bought it
 
Anonymous
@Trucy that be @PeeHaa
 
ohai peehaa
 
@MadaraUchiha PGP can verify with a certificate without sharing an easily stolen private key, so i'm looking for something similar that takes less space
 
Passing HTML via PHP vs. passing JSON and having JS render the HTML? Which one do you typically do and why? Is it based on the size of the project?
 
@JayIsTooCommon tbh I only know the faces of Gordon, Joe and Ekin :x
 
Anonymous
2:53 PM
@Trucy phaw wait till you see my face
 
@JayIsTooCommon already saw it in my toilets this morning
 
@JaredDunham It's based on what you want to do.
 
Anonymous
@Trucy rude.
 
@JayIsTooCommon e-rekt.com
 
@Trucy RUUUUUUUUUN!!!!!!1111oneoneleven
 
2:54 PM
You want the server to reply with HTML, because you don't want multiple calls for the server to first get the markup, then get the info, then ...
 
@MadaraUchiha Hmmmmmmm
 
@PeeHaa now that I know how you look like I could RUUUUUUUUUN!!!!!!1111oneoneleven when I saw you :D
 
You want the server to reply to the first call with HTML
 
that's IF I can regognise you
 
Further calls for extra info are generally with AJAX
 
Anonymous
2:55 PM
@Trucy he'll be drunk, probably shouting at a pregnant woman / child / the elderly
 
In which case, you use the format you feel most comfortable with when doing AJAX, normally JSON because JS has native methods for dealing with that.
 
@MadaraUchiha That's what I've been doing without really thinking about it.
 
Anonymous
@JaredDunham normally you just want data from those calls... not html
 
@JaredDunham Generally speaking, you could use the Accept: HTTP header to indicate to your server which data format you expect
 
@JayIsTooCommon and the rest of r11 will be drunk, shouting things about PeeHaa's mom?
 
2:59 PM
@Trucy naah, that's almost exclusively @DaveRandom's fetish
 
Anonymous
ugh haml is so shit
 
I don't drink
 
You don't? Really?
 
There was... an incident
 
he's probably 17
 
3:01 PM
Anyone know of a decent package to manage cronjobs (symfony bundles accepted)?
 
@Ekin I know, it's hard to tell from my code
 
:D
 
Ok this is going to sound like a strange question. But @Ekin is arguing. @Trucy are you a guy or a gal?
 
I think latter, previously former?
could be wrong though
 
@PeeHaa legally, a guy but I'm transitioning
 
3:03 PM
Reaally. That explains it
 
@DaveRandom so yeah
@PeeHaa Explains what?
 
throw new UnexpectedArgumentException();
 
So who is technically right now?
 
Course it's me.
 
@PeeHaa probably "heliogender", you oppressive shitlord
 
3:04 PM
I thought you are a guy and @Ekin thought you were a gal?
 
@DaveRandom And some transgender folks don't like that they speak of them as "prevously X, now Y"
(Personnaly, I don't mind. Hell, I still call myself "him, dude, guy" sometimes. And I still look and have the voice of a man)
 
@Trucy apologies :-)
 
@DaveRandom :)
 
Ugh I love PHPStorm
 
@Trucy I use "dude" and "guy" in a non-gender-specific context mostly
 
3:06 PM
Surprises me everyday
 
@DaveRandom Yeah it seems that "dude" and "guy" are non-gendered. We don't have this thing in French :(
 
@JaredDunham well ... technically what would make PHPStorm a "whore"
 
@PeeHaa Well you're both right, depending on the point of view I guess
 
Anonymous
@Trucy that's because the French aren't cool enough to say things like that
 
Anonymous
that's why we have terms like 'init'.
 
3:07 PM
@Trucy that's not true, I posted a beautiful picture of myself processed by that chinese picture app
 
@Leigh I suck hard at recognizing/memorizing faces
 
Also you will not find it difficult to find pictures of me, although it's harder to find sfw ones
 
@Leigh I think you misspelled "creepy"
 
Anonymous
Psychogenic amnesia, also known as dissociative amnesia, is a memory disorder characterized by sudden retrograde autobiographical memory loss, said to occur for a period of time ranging from hours to years. More recently, "dissociative amnesia" has been defined as a dissociative disorder "characterized by retrospectively reported memory gaps. These gaps involve an inability to recall personal information, usually of a traumatic or stressful nature." In a change from the DSM-IV to the DSM-5, dissociative fugue is now subsumed under dissociative amnesia. The atypical clinical syndrome of the memory...
 
@Trucy well that doesn't make me win this argument now does it
 
@PeeHaa well I describe myself as a gurl so yeah, you totally lost this argument
@Leigh oh my.
 
@PeeHaa I will solve this for you.. Heads or tails.
 
"ghoul"
 
@Trucy fine...
 
Where was that picture of the room 11 people at PHPNW?
 
3:12 PM
@Trucy Do you decrcibe yourself like a girl or do you 100% feel like a girl? I can support the latter, but just describing isn't enough. If I say that I am a girl, i would be lying.
 
somewhere on twatter right?
 
@DamienOvereem Feel like it too
 
Then PeeHaa officially lost.
 
I plan to take oestrogen
 
No worries though. He is used to loosing arguments cough :)
 
3:13 PM
HALP!!!111!11oneoen
I need a name for a controller, handles user login, registration, logout and related parts
 
// The default database driver is Derby's client driver.
if (databaseDriver == null) {
    databaseDriver = DERBY_CLIENT_DRIVER;
}
 
and it can't be "Authentication", because it is used by service (that is a dependency) already
 
well thanks for that informative comment
 
@Trucy See Jays link above
 
3:14 PM
I must say though. It takes balls to take the step to become a girl/woman.
 
Good stuff that pic
 
Anonymous
@tereško NotTheServiceAuthenticationController
 
@Leigh rofl :D
 
Anonymous
UserController ?
 
@DamienOvereem har har har
 
3:15 PM
see if I get this right... bob, thw, dave dan, james, me, joe, sean, peehaa, jay, pmwhatsit
 
@DamienOvereem there is a big difference between Blair White and Cathlin Jenner
 
@tereško "UserIdentity"?
 
@DamienOvereem Actually it takes oestrogens and sex change chirurgy har har har
(but thank you I guess :))
 
"Identity" is already used for domain object
 
Anonymous
@Trucy also doge github.com/JayPHP
 
3:17 PM
I admit that the sex change surgury gives me the shivers..
 
Wear clothes then
 
And the compliment was intended.
 
Anonymous
that's boring
 
@Leigh Spot on I think
 
@Leigh /me takes note: your nickname should be spellable otherwise people don't remember :P
 
3:19 PM
Again, I cannot truly express how much tequila Peehaa was downing
Just know that it was a lot
 
@pmmaga I forgot how many m's and gave up
 
Anonymous
Are you coming to south coast leigh?
 
@Leigh :D
 
Probably James
 
@JayIsTooCommon you totes look like the type of person making "ur mom" jokes
 
3:23 PM
@Trucy he does.
 
Anonymous
The word you're looking for is handsome, fresh, swaggy, big man, muscle ridden, rock.
 
Jay is 50% PHP, 50% Comedy, and 100% Sarcasm
 
146% sexy
@tereško Identification?
 
@Sean dunno what you are talking about
 
...because you can't remember
 
3:25 PM
Hahah
 
Anonymous
you were completely fucked
 
Anonymous
I also got lost in Manc centre in the middle of the night, that was a bad experience
 
So wait, that picture, PeeHaa in Turkey? (because NL doesn't have those Cs with tails)
 
@DaveRandom had exactly the same thought already. Thanks
 
Wes
which plugins do you use in phpstorm apart the editor? there are a bunch of things i never touched, like git, debugger, composer... how do they work?
 
3:29 PM
@Wes VC is good for blaming, ctrl/cmd + K is commit / commit & push, ctrl/cmd + shift + k is push
 
@Wes I don't use anything extra
 
Composer is good for automatically figuring out where not to search in, can init compser in phpstorm and add packages as you go. Not sure on how it easy it is to remove packages, but I use the terminal for that anyway
 
@Leigh yup
 
Is it hot? He might die...
 
Not really :-)
 
3:32 PM
No way
@Ekin Say hi to @PeeHaa's mom for me!
Also
 
Wes
@Sean thanks. any other interesting plugins?
 
I got my hotel room for the conference, it's lovely ;)
 
Anonymous
moin boob
 
3:33 PM
 
I didnt bring her @Jimbo. That would be somewhat awkward
 
le moin jimjim
 
5 star hotel - had a guy in white gloves open the doors for me, I was like yeah that's right you open those doors (and get paid more than me too :3)
 
Wes
@Sean oh noice. does it use packagist search?
 
@Jimbo this must be why the tickets are so expensive
 
3:35 PM
Where are you guys at a conf?
 
@JoeWatkins Probably :P Nah it's London everything's ridiculous here
 
@Wes Reckon so, not 100% on that though
 
@Machavity PHP UK Conference, I'm not sure if any room 11ers are here though on account of tickets being like 350 quid or something :/
 
@Jimbo urgh, are you out and about tonight too?
 
btw, how are you plans progressing @Ekin, for leaving the New Ottoman Empire?
 
3:36 PM
@Leigh Yeah man, it's the Speakers dinner this evening and then delegate free bar afterwards
 
@Jimbo delegate...free...bar... tonight?
 
They asked if I was going to use the minibar in my room, I was like... er... it's a free bar at the conference haha
 
It's about a 40 min walk from my place
 
@Leigh Haha, good luck sneaking in ;) White gloved guys'll get ya
 
event.afup.org/?lang=en hey a PHP conf in le France
 
3:37 PM
@PeeHaa what you doing in turkey ?
 
@Jimbo I'm a delegate
 
@Jimbo That's not terribly bad. PHPTek is the US is $595 (about £480)
 
*ahem*
 
Anonymous
lol
 
rofl
 
3:38 PM
> We will aim to finish dinner and leave for the delegate's social around 2100.
I'm sure it's a free bar, although not guaranteed. Tomorrow's is definitely though
@Leigh Whoooo! Looking forward to seeing you :-)
 
@Machavity that's like half of my salary
 
@Jimbo you're going to drink for 83 years ? sounds rough ...
 
Oh, you joke
@JoeWatkins LOL
 
You talking Jimbo?
 
@Jimbo Pretty sure tonight's is not free
 
3:40 PM
@Sean Yeah dude, websockets
 
@Jimbo Oooh, PHPNW 2.0?
 
Anonymous
this time, with viewable slides! ;)
 
Yea I saw you were talking on Friday, that's why I'm only going for Thursday
 
And a working demo :P
I jest
 
@Sean Basically. Not too much has changed, but it's a little more fluid, code examples come in earlier, easier to understand and I won't fuck up on the live demo this time as I'm going to record a video tonight :P
 
3:41 PM
If you see someone with my name badge on Fri, I work with them, but they are not to be trusted.
 
@Jimbo you'll fuck up your video recording tonight :p
(hope not)
 
haha, fingers crossed
 
if you see someone with my name on their badge, it's an imposter ... kill it ...
 
@Jimbo Have you got more time to present in, or have you cut some of the rambling?
 
@Leigh More time unfortunately, it's a whole hour
 
3:42 PM
One of the Joebots ecaped again?
@Jimbo Well that's good, because you rattled shit off far too quickly last time :), hope you get better lighting too
 
hehe, I wish I could make joebots ...
 
@JoeWatkins but you already have children right?
 
@Trucy I'm afraid so
 
@JoeWatkins What's up with Nevis? I can't connect right now.
 
3:44 PM
@Trucy His wife introduced them to Javascript. He disowned them when they started writing in Node
 
try wan1 or wan2 @kelunik
also, blame @DaveRandom and BT
 
nevis. should work...
 
@Machavity Impossible. He wouldn't have married her if she was into JS.
 
Both, 86.171.9.216 and 86.152.23.249 just hang.
 
Connecting what, SSH?
 
3:46 PM
Yup.
 
moment
 
I have my own network engineer ... it's pretty sweet ...
 
@Leigh It's really tough to fit that whole architecture in one talk. Could you remind me - which parts can you remember that I went too fast on?
@DaveRandom can chime in too perhaps
 
@Jimbo You're asking to remember a drunken afternoon in October...
Or was it September...
 
@DaveRandom I can''t get nevis on 192.168.1.251
 
3:48 PM
that'll be why it's not work from the wan
doesn't ping either
 
what's her addreess now then ?
 
or is it down?
 
not in LAN arp cache either
looks down to me
 
turn it off and on again ?
 
Hello all
 
3:50 PM
Can you get a console on the box and check the LAN IP config?
 
nope
 
Looks like either a DHCP issue or an actual OS problem
 
@JoeWatkins RUUUUUUUUUN!!!!!!1111oneoneleven
 
the lan config uses dhcp
 
@JoeWatkins eating it inside out
 
3:51 PM
I'll just reset it ...
@PeeHaa sounds fun ...
 
@JoeWatkins copy pasted wrong message. Tl;dr blame @Ekin
 
@DaveRandom something is wonky
what does router say is connected to lan5 ?
 
yeh that was totally my fault
I configured the bind IP to MAC and forgot to enable binding :-/
@JoeWatkins ssh to 1.107 and reboot it
should get 1.251 after a network reload
 
Anonymous
you amateur
 
okay done that
@DaveRandom hehehe
should be up now @kelunik
 

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