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10:08 AM
you should be able to change it very easily
 
@bwoebi eih, not exact equivalent self::$var is strangely slower when compared to (__CLASS__)::$var
 
10:24 AM
!!xkcd fixing the problems
2 messages moved to Orphan GIFs
hmpf
 
hey I was reading that!
 
hi,iam facing laravel login issues! anyone can help me?
 
19 hours ago, by Wes
@zacurry we don't do laravel here
 
@ZulK You need to ask this guy: twitter.com/taylorotwell
He's happy to help, he just gets a lot of questions, so you might have to keep asking him until he sees you
2
 
The gif bin deserves it's own twitter feed btw
 
10:28 AM
you may need to use caps also
 
@Leigh thanks any other links or solution
 
@PeeHaa wow, I didn't know you could read ...
 
:P
 
hehe
 
that was the one I was looking for:
 
10:31 AM
Speaks volumes: "We are looking for a fully OOP PHP developer" ... "not overly important if you are competent at Object Orientated PHP" #php
Some of these job advertisements are just hilarious
 
I wanna see
 
can someone explain what is going on with my website I have a website on a shared hosting I created a php.ini in public_html to enable upload_tmp_dir it worked after 1 hour I came back to test and its not working again
 
nuff indeed
 
> years’
twitch
 
10:34 AM
!!
 
@PeeHaa get beer
 
@PaulCrovella you're meant to read it as gollum, I think ...
 
@PaulCrovella Just got a response on twitter...
@J7mbo Hi, we hv an experienced team of PHP developers and can assist you. DM to discuss. Skype: nishant.daffodil . Thanks!
 
wtf'ing f
 
XD
 
10:36 AM
@Jimbo "No, you don't. And no, you can't."
 
Pretty standard weather today in Manc
 
@DaveRandom that's a meteor crashing into earth, right?
about time
 
only a very short apocalypse ...
 
makes sense though, impact, then all the dust in the atmosphere will make it cloudy and rain
 
@marcio wut?
@JoeWatkins will ping you again in 20 min
 
10:42 AM
cool
 
@Jimbo I got as far as the space between My and SQL and I closed the tab
 
@bwoebi (__CLASS__)::$x is equivalent to \Full\QualifiedClass::$x but they are not equivalent to self::$x, at least callgrind is accusing a certain difference.
 
@Jimbo ooh, and someone named "Buy 1k followers" liked it too. (though they only have 1 follower.. shame they couldn't afford the $12)
is spam all twitter is now?
 
shieet, just 3 more rep to 1k ! \o/
 
oh right, self is subject to rebinding, always forget that.
 
10:50 AM
@PaulCrovella yes, and trump bots
 
Nothing to do with Donald Trump, just bots that fart on Twitter
 
don't worry, once Disney bought Twitter everything will be back to normal
 
so spam and racist spam. got it.
 
@Jeeves \o/ cc @Ekin
Works pretty damn good
 
!!reminder ping @Ekin every time this works
 
10:55 AM
Usage: !!reminder [ examples | list | <text> [ at <time> | in <delay> ] | unset <id> ] Try !!reminder examples
 
@JoeWatkins ping
@PeeHaa I'm very sorry that I helped make the matching regex too good.
 
!!in 1UmmaYear boo
 
Have a look at the time again, yo!
 
Not that good
 
whatever an UmmaYear is…
 
10:58 AM
This is a list of calendars. Included are historical calendars as well as proposed ones. Historical calendars are often grouped into larger categories by cultural sphere or historical period; thus O'Neil (1976) distinguishes the groupings Egyptian calendars (Ancient Egypt), Babylonian calendars (Ancient Mesopotamia), Indian calendars (Hindu and Buddhist traditions of the Indian subcontinent), Chinese calendars and Mesoamerican calendars. These are not specific calendars but series of historical calendars undergoing reforms or regional diversification. In Classical Antiquity, the Hellenic calendars...
 
omg…
 
:P
Also note the "Non-standard weeks" on there. Wow this datetime stuff is fucked up
 
!!at back of 12 eat something
 
Usage: !!reminder [ examples | list | <text> [ at <time> | in <delay> ] | unset <id> ] Try !!reminder examples
 
@bwoebi pong
 
10:59 AM
@JoeWatkins ah :-)
So… that HashDos thingy … Stas is detached from reality of long running PHP scripts and Dmitry prefers no solution over a not perfect solution for that
 
> And in indeed, we use a lot of water in the kitchen. By some accounts, a family of four uses 100 gallons of water a year just for cooking pasta. Considering that on average, a resident of sub-Saharan Africa uses 2 to 5 gallons of water per day, 100 gallons is a lot of water to be dumping through the colander.
heh, gotta love these misleading comparisons
 
it's a distribution problem, not a volume problem
 
@JoeWatkins There's currently my PR at github.com/php/php-src/pull/1706 for fixing the HashDos vulnerabilities and throwing an exception whenever that limit is reached
 
@PaulCrovella the comparison is deliberately phrased so that it looks like massive waste
it's four person a year vs one person a day.
 
Anyone care to explain why soap was ever a thing?
 
11:03 AM
@Gordon WTF they are now playing that PPAP trash on the actual radio :|
 
@JoeWatkins I wanted to propose we try this patch on 7.1 and see how it goes. (And then eventually backport to 7.0 after a while as secfix)
 
Grumbles
 
@PeeHaa OAWSUM
 
I blame you
 
@Gordon and it's irrelevant anyway as water is a distribution problem
 
11:03 AM
at a glance I see no problem with that
 
@JoeWatkins I currently have heard of no actual problems except people favoring other non-existent solutions
 
it doesn't have a real world impact, right ?
 
SELECT table1.*, table2.state
FROM table1
LEFT JOIN table2 ON table1.column1 = table2.column2
GROUP BY table1.id
ORDER BY COUNT(table1.column1) DESC


I'm retriving order by count descending with group by of another column that conflicting my result order can anyone help me in this kind of issue?
 
@JoeWatkins well, a very minute one on insertions as it does an additional cmp/branch instr pair
 
if you put this to an equal comparison level, its 0.06 gallons for one person cooking pasta on one day. doesnt look like that much anymore compared to the 5 gallons of that african guy
for reference: this is where I got it from: treehugger.com/green-food/…
 
11:05 AM
insertion is already relatively expensive though right ? what's % increase ?
what does dmitry say about this solution in particular, still wants nothing ?
 
> According to the patch - I, personally, didn't like the original one.
This approach adds implementation based limitations for the language.

If we speak about protection from remote HashDos attacks, then we should better identify and protect only specific functions and may be add API for constructing arrays with "unsafe" keys.

If we like to solve the Hash collision problem in general, we should use some smarter hashing approach, that will work as expected (without exceptions and fatal errors).
@JoeWatkins ^ (private mail exchange between me, Nikita and Dmitry)
 
I see, non-existent solutions ...
 
so, what do you say?
 
what does this mean:
> This approach adds implementation based limitations for the language.
is the limitation that you can't have infinite collisions ?
 
@Gordon "the water problems faced by... states such as California"... Hi, I live in California. It's a distribution problem here. It's a distribution problem in India. It's a distribution problem in sub-Saharan Africa. What you or someone in Wisconsin pours down the drain is irrelevant in any measure, as it wasn't getting to these other places anyway.
 
11:15 AM
@JoeWatkins yes
 
why do we need to care about that :s
 
Don't ask me…
 
he said it like it's a real limitation ...
it looks okay to me
it's difficult to argue with dmitry, he probably thought of stuff I haven't thought of ...
am I right in thinking the smarter approach he's talking about would be knocked back for perf reasons anyway ?
maybe point that out ...
 
@JoeWatkins yes
 
bank requested me to change my password because they are stupid and let passwords expire. /me tries previous password -> already used in the last 12 months /me puts in new password with special characters -> you can only use this list of 5 special characters
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU.gif
 
11:23 AM
@JoeWatkins That mail is from January 11… … Not sure whether it's forth bringing it up again. … Shall I? Or do you think it's fine to commit? // afk, lunch
 
@PeeHaa I can sort of understand password expiry policy
But the special character limitation is just.... why.
 
I think bring it up again @bwoebi
 
@MadaraUchiha Oh right and also numbers + lower + upper
 
uppercase numbers
 
My generated password also didn't work
@MadaraUchiha It's mostly counter productive
Most people don't use a password manager
 
11:25 AM
@PeeHaa The idea is that if an attacker takes a few months to crack a password, the password would be different by the time they manage
 
@MadaraUchiha Yes but after 12 months people can reuse their passwords
So yeah :P
 
@PeeHaa just use the previous one and add an increasing number
 
but they don't crack passwords, they steal them, and then rob you within minutes of getting the password, then they never go back ...
it's dumb
 
But yes, I agree that in most cases, the danger of weak passwords is far greater than the problem of bruteforcing a password of unknown strength
 
!!xkcd security
 
11:26 AM
 
@Jeeves I'd still like to know where he got that wrench for $5
 
I hate it when they put stupid requirements on ... like one char has to be this or that ... that's so dumb
 
@PeeHaa so mickyminnigoofydonaldberlin1 and next time mickyminnigoofydonaldberlin2
 
I'd like to buy one too.
@JoeWatkins Those are the weakest passwords
Because they severely limit the keyspace...
 
btw, that's four characters, one capital and a number ;)
 
11:28 AM
The worst is "this password is too similar to your last password"
Why the fuck do you know my last password?
 
yeah
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier me ship that bio already tomorrow
 
@MadaraUchiha "this password is too similar to your neighbor's password"
 
lol
only a matter of time
"8 people in your neighbourhood have that password, 3 of them are close to you"
 
"meet sexy singles with that password in your area"
 
11:36 AM
...
 
Wes
\o
 
o/
 
\o/
 
/o\
 
so apparently when something is migrated from SO main to meta, then deleted from meta, it kicks it back to main ... wtf
 
11:39 AM
they get you on the shipping though
 
@JoeWatkins I just don't want to bring it up on internals as there seem to be many "experts" …………
 
what does nikita think of it ?
 
He's fully supporting it
I'm trying to reach Dmitry again
 
people are not so keen on arguing the toss with niki, maybe getting him to start/restart the conversation about this particular solution will be a good starting place ... if he can do one of those know-it-all posts that he does ...
 
Sep 22 at 16:15, by NikiC
@bwoebi well, obviously I consider it fine
@JoeWatkins He has replied on internals … to no avail.
 
11:45 AM
sorry bit behind on reading internals
 
hi
 
@JoeWatkins Yeah, no problem … just telling you that this route was without much success....
 
right
well, see what kind of noises dmitry is making about it now, and then we'll see how best to move forward ...
 
fine
 
Anonymous
Moins
 
Wes
11:56 AM
daaaaaaaave @DaveRandom gist.github.com/Netmosfera/287727ad652d4588b84e8db7e723f153 when you have some time, have a read here :B
 
moin @JayI
 
dang, now I wish that @kelunik's acme was just a middleware.
 
@Ocramius There's a middleware for Aerys, but it's outdated. :P
 
middleware ...
 
Anonymous
o/
 
12:00 PM
@kelunik update it! :-P
 
Yeh, just wondering how to plug it in my app for simple/hassle-free cert renewal
but in the end, I think I'll just ignore it, and keep communication between my server and cloudflare unencrypted
 
@bwoebi Do we have hot-reload now? I think so, right?
 
#YOLO #CBA
 
@kelunik hot reload can be managed via CommandClient
 
@Ocramius What's wrong with setting up the cron once?
 
12:04 PM
@PeeHaa really complex with things like ECS/Heroku
 
ah you use those things
 
yes, they are generally much better to deploy with, and more stable too
 
How do those things work? Don't you have a way to ssh inside?
 
but even with a normal setup, you shut down your server, then run the acme stuff, then restart the server/reload certs
 
Or setup some config thing
 
12:05 PM
@PeeHaa no, it wouldn't make sense. The only thing I can pass to those are some environment variables
 
@Ocramius You first run the acme stuff
 
and I can change an env var and re-deploy
 
certs are loaded into memory afaik
@Ocramius kk
 
@JoeWatkins Sent a mail to Dmitry. (With your pthreads address as CC)
 
heroku is one of those things I hear people talking about, but don't really understand ... like football
 
12:07 PM
@JoeWatkins I was also really skeptical about it until ~1 year ago
it sounded like... one of those things that only the RoR "cool kids" did ages ago
 
@Ocramius lol same thing here
 
it actually works really really well, much better than what I could do with a dedicated devops person
The only pain is certificates with letsencrypt, since you have to basically replace the environment with the acme listener, then re-replace it with the prod environment
that's... err... not transactional deployment :P
 
I dunno what that means
 
@Ocramius Surely they are working on making it easier?
 
Yes, that is sure - they could just offer free SSL now
(they actually do, but with your own certs)
 
12:10 PM
@bwoebi recv'd, let's see what he says
 
Wes
til axl rose is the new frontman of ac/dc as brian johnson had to leave because hear loss. god axl rose is awful
 
12:26 PM
@Wes to be fair: he did a very decent job when we saw him in düsseldorf
 
RT @MrDanack: Looking forward to speaking at PHPNW in three days - but also have a conf ticket to sell/donate due to getting speaker ticket…
 
Also shame on you @Wes for not having travel documents
 
@Wes lol oooooold
 
Wes
12:29 PM
he's not singing, he's just screaming
 
I was opposed to the idea at first, too. but again: he does a very decent job considering how short he is with the band (or whats left of them; the bass player will leave after the tour, too)
 
Why does SoapVar p much make it impossible to add attributes to an XML element >_>
Trying to work with SoapClient has been nothing but an uphill struggle.
 
Wes
i'm not against the idea at all @Gordon if he performed decently i would love it
 
@Wes well, he did. I was there. Only his dancing was odd
youtube cam videos usually suck
 
Wes
his dancing always been odd :B
angus is incredible lol 62 years
 
Anonymous
12:35 PM
PeeHaa, Jimbo, Danack, Bob, Jay, Chris, Leigh, Sean - @PeeHaa is that all of the 11ers for NW?
 
I thought it was quite interesting to see his dancing. he basically does the same moves he does when performing gnr songs. but with gnr songs it makes more sense. acdc songs dont fit so much. hard to explain.
 
Wes
sad hearing about brian leaving though, he is one of my fav frontman of all time and the most underrated one
 
to be honest, I am not sure what to make of Angus. He seems to be determined to keep ACDC going but what ACDC is that nowadays, especially after the tour? He's the only one left. Should call it quits and live as a legend
 
@JayIsTooCommon @ThW?
And @JoeWatkins may or may not come grab a bite on sayndays
oh @pmmaga were you also going?
 
Wes
it seems doing that keeps him Young so why not. would rather attend a 60-yo acdc concert than any these days music concert :P
 
12:39 PM
Yup! I'll be there! :)
 
@JayIsTooCommon ^
@Jimbo at what time does you mom arrive?
 
@Wes Alright grandad, time for your meds
 
Anonymous
Noice, should be good @PeeHaa :)
 
"sayndays" wow well done. slow clap
 
Wes
> too many women, too many pills, yeah
 
12:40 PM
@JayIsTooCommon Joe was saying he might come up for lunch on Sun I think? /cc @JoeWatkins
 
I'm coming sunday, waiting for chris to tell me where to be ...
 
Oh you are?
 
Anonymous
Again, I can't come to Sunday lunch so feel free to cancel immediately
 
Anonymous
:)
 
@JoeWatkins SUNDAY? You're missing the evening social
 
12:41 PM
@JayIsTooCommon why is that ?
 
Are you planning to drive?
 
Wes
can someone kick @PeeHaa in the nuts for me? i'll pay
 
Wat why?
WHYYYYYYYYYY
 
Wes
:B just for fun
 
@Wes I've seen them three times now. Once on the Black Ice tour and twice on the Rock or Bust tour (second one only because of Axl). Brian is super cool, but you could clearly see his age on the Rock or Bust gig compared to the Black Ice gig five years before. They paused up to a minute between songs. Dunno why, I guess oxygen tents.
 
12:42 PM
yeah driving chris
 
Anonymous
@JoeWatkins back in work Monday and need to catch a 4 hour train so leaving straight after the conf
 
@PeeHaa In time for the speakers dinner on Friday :)
 
@Jimbo we can have our own social ... with people who don't scare me ...
where does the train go @JayIsTooCommon
 
Anonymous
@Wes I'll do it for free
 
Yayyy :-)
 
Wes
12:42 PM
@Gordon singing like brian is super hard, as you can probably imagine
 
Anonymous
@JoeWatkins Exeter :)
 
@JoeWatkins Buh!
 
I'll be driving all the way down the country ...
 
@Jimbo It's ok I'm going to have my own speakers dinner with blackjack and your mom
BOOM! \o/
 
Anonymous
@JoeWatkins oh really? Where to?
 
12:43 PM
@JoeWatkins Then I guess just come to the conf venue for 1-1.30, I will also be driving so between the two of us we can get everyone wherever we want to go really
 
Wes
especially when you aren't a young man with a high pitched voice anymore ...
 
@JoeWatkins you mean all the way up?
 
Current status: Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
That thread
 
@JayIsTooCommon Southampton or Portsmouth ... there's probably a train from there ...
@bwoebi up and then down
 
yea
 
12:44 PM
@Wes yes, which is one more reason why I think Axl did a decent job
 
@DaveRandom excellent ...
I'll do that ...
 
Anonymous
@JoeWatkins that'd be cool! though I'm not sure I included cancellation on my train, will have a check :)
 
dmitry1
hi, I see the email
dmitry1
is this proposed for 7.1?
bwoebi
Yes, I'm suggesting that-
bwoebi
We eventually may backport it to 7.0 later, but for now, 7.1.
dmitry1
it is in RC state. I think, such big change is too later even for 7.1.
bwoebi
That's the RMs decision
bwoebi
and Joe thinks it's needed too as a secfix for 7.1
dmitry1
OK. I'm against this.
bwoebi
Are you also against it in general?
bwoebi
i.e. 7.2?
dmitry1
I'm bot sure. I'm very busy with other work now, and can't switch to this.
^ @JoeWatkins
 
Wes
@Gordon i don't know, i think it would've been better if they mixed their styles rather than trying to emulate bon / brian
 
@DaveRandom My flight is at 18:30 … so, I have some time in the afternoon :-)
 
12:45 PM
@PeeHaa translates to PeeHaa: "Hey Madame, wanna make out". @Jimbo's Mom: "STFU kid" and slaps him over they eye. Black Jack.
 
can someone explain me how to insert a ', ' in a select query when combing two columns to one using Concat like here CONCAT( u1.userNameLast, u1.userNameFirst) as aName, ?
 
@bwoebi hmmm ... so he doesn't have the time to like it :s
 
@JoeWatkins Well, let's see what he'll reply tonight.
 
he's too quick to judge before reading patches properly ... let him reply again in a day or two when he's really read it ...
 
@JoeWatkins you still have the same mob number? (ends 591)
 
12:46 PM
yeah
 
@Gordon She's such a dominatrix
 
@DaveRandom yeah
 
@PeeHaa do you already have checked in? :-)
 
@JoeWatkins cool, we can try and work out a place to go that suits everyone over the weekend so we have a plan by the time you get here
 
12:47 PM
@JayIsTooCommon offer is there for the taking ...
 
@bwoebi Oh good call. Going to do that now
 
@bwoebi no, but he has checked her out
 
@bwoebi cool well I'll prob be able to drop you back off at the airport
 
@DaveRandom excellent :-)
 
@DaveRandom excellent ... remember, terrified of people ... if there is such a thing as a place that won't be totally heaving on a sunday afternoon ...
 
Anonymous
12:48 PM
@JoeWatkins thank you very much :) Will see if I can do anything
 
@JoeWatkins yeh I'll try and figure something out
 
Anonymous
@DaveRandom what times are you thinking for the Sunday?
 
@bwoebi not 100% on that but I will at the very minimum be able to get you to a railway station where there are trains to the airport
 
why wouldn't you be able to ?
between us we should be able too, right ?
 
@JayIsTooCommon Well schedule ends at 1, historically that's about 1.30 in practice, then just go... somewhere tbd
 
12:50 PM
is it too or two or to or 0b10 ?
 
@JoeWatkins true
@JoeWatkins always go with that last one, at least then you are consistent
 
agree
 
@JoeWatkins I'm working pretty fucking hard today to ensure that I won't have to go and fix a thing over the weekend but I may fail at that. If I can't get away with doing it today it will be because I have to do it out of hours.
I've currently got a comms cabinet that looks like it vomitted up a server and a couple of LAN switches because I'm trying to reconfigure the layout with everything still plugged in
 
1k rep \o/
 
Anonymous
@DaveRandom I mean like what time til? I.e. If I can't cancel this train I may be able to get a later one at 5 - is it worth it? (Not sure if too early :3)
 
12:54 PM
back again :D sorry for going so fast :D it was like my prof at university joins my table watching at my mac and asks wtf are you doing there ? php is not neccessary for your study. I was looking at him with wide open eyes and dont know how to react :D
 
@JayIsTooCommon dunno, but probably worth doing if at all possible. There are always people around doing something.
 
Anonymous
Alright, cheers
 
We don't have an actual concrete plan (yet)
 
failure is not an option @DaveRandom
 
@JoeWatkins We can definitely sort something out, I just can't devote enough brainpower to the problem right at the moment to figure out exactly what :-)
 
12:57 PM
@DaveRandom Just fix your shit already...
 
@Gordon if i do it like this it prints the col names, but i currently don´t see where i wrong. Any idea? :)
$pdf->Table("SELECT
                CONCAT_WS(',' ,' u1.userNameLast', 'u1.userNameFirst') as aName,
            FROM
                logChangeSpecialVacationDays lcsd
           ", $prop);
 
* have excluded the joins for u1 so that´s not the problem ;)
 
just unplug it all and start again, everything will be either calm, or fucked beyond repair, by sunday ... so it won't matter whatever ...
 
@elsololobo you used single quotes
you made them strings, not identifiers
 

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