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12:00 PM
/me goes to the office, ttyl
 
Ekn
o/
 
I was up far too late watching Hells Kitchen and Bobs Burgers last night.
I'm not paying for it yet though. Coffee powered. and a banana
 
Ekn
I fell asleep waiting metro last light redux finish downloading on steam
so I got that for today's spare moments, which is nice
 
A lot of people said Metro was good for Fallout lovers. I only watched playthroughs though. Seemed good but not fallout good.
 
user5189304
Good evening
 
Ekn
12:07 PM
I liked them both, also metro books were great
 
Hmm, maybe I should add it to my growing book list.
 
@Ekn in my life, metro is that thing we take underground to move from one place to another. thanks for the funny picture :p
 
Ekn
:D
close enough, only in that scenario it's a post apocalyptic subway in Moscow
bleh, /me needs more coffee to continue the day
 
Wes
@rlemon 36 dead :\ 2016 keeps throwing shit
 
Witcher Novels, The Moon is a Harsh Mistress, Mike Tyson autobiography, Master of Go + some misc.
 
Ekn
12:14 PM
I still have to finish poeaa book first
 
@Wes you ok?
 
Wes
yeah not close to epicentre
 
glad to hear you're safe
 
Yeah, not even including the educational books in the list.
I got a hardcover PoEAA too. Though I think that's a reference book more than light-reading.
 
gods below, this thing just made me so fucking mad youtu.be/KnGY5JTgjEo //cc @FélixGagnon-Grenier
 
12:21 PM
@tereško Remember the flood in Louisiana? The one where cops risked their lives to save people from? Still waiting on BLM to come help.
It's a shame that a good concept and idea are being figuratively shat upon.
But that's none of my business vOv.
 
@tereško duuuuuddddeeee...
 
Ekn
ugh indeed annoying
 
@Fabor what most Fallout lovers nowadays dont know is that their definition of Fallout good is not exactly on par with the Fallout2 definition of good.
 
> Mike Hunt
 
@Gordon Unfortunately I am a FO >= 3 guy. I never knew FO2.
 
12:31 PM
@Fabor regrettable and appaling
 
Lifes a lot easier when you don't let yourself get agitated by such things @tereško
@Gordon heh. My secret shame!
 
@Fabor Seems your have will as hard as my d***. Oh did I just sexually harassed you? (sanitized for @Saitama)
 
<3
 
morning all
 
Ekn
12:34 PM
morndia
 
\\//\\o
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier lol.
@FélixGagnon-Grenier I'm not so sure it's will as much as it is ignorance. You know the expression.
 
yeah I do ;)
/me heads to work
cya in 15 minutes
 
@tereško Now I'm wound up, cheers mate
 
Is file_put_contents atomic?
 
12:38 PM
@PeeHaa no.
 
damnit
 
@PeeHaa lol
 
tnx
@FlorianMargaine I asked something stupid? :P
 
@PeeHaa to give you some perspective, ln -sfn (to override a symlink with another) is not atomic
 
...
weaksauce
 
12:39 PM
@PeeHaa let me find something....
 
@PeeHaa blondie is
 
as soon as you're out of single-syscall territory, you need a proper abstraction to be considered atomic (i.e. semaphore)
 
which one? The band?
 
@PeeHaa yes, debbie harry
 
@FlorianMargaine So tmp file -> overwrite should work rite?
 
12:41 PM
@FlorianMargaine no you don't. Some file system operations are atomic.
@PeeHaa yes.
 
kk
 
Ekn
em, atomicity here is "linearizable"? or as in most smaller context (if I'm making sense)
 
!!? linearizable
 
Search for "linearizable" (https://www.google.com/search?q=linearizable&lr=lang_en)
• Linearizability - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedi… - In concurrent programming, an operation (or set of operations) is atomic, linearizable, indivisible… (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linearizability)
• Linearizability versus Serializability | Peter Ba… - 24 sep. 2014 - We say linearizability is composable (or “local”) because, if operations on each obj… (http://www.bailis.org/blog/linearizability-versus-serializability/)
 
Ekn
I guess I'm close
 
Wes
12:44 PM
user image
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Think so. the wiki is confusing me but it seems like it's the same thing from the first parafraph
 
I need to make this guy my sensei
 
@Wes lawl
 
@PeeHaa not overwrite btw - just rename is meant to be atomic on any sane platform.
 
Uh yeah. I meant overwrite by rename
Or does that not work?
 
12:48 PM
That does work. Or at least if it doesn't, there is a bug in the operating system.
 
awesome tnx
 
I thought there was something else that needed to be done....but I was misremembering.
 
<3
 
@tereško Serious question, what can one do if this happens. I've just been thinking - stand there and look straight at her, get your own phone out recording, and then do nothing. Say nothing. Just stand there looking out the window.
 
btw open filehandles are preserved when renaming....which is useful for cunning stuff sometime.
 
12:49 PM
@Jimbo basically - yes. That's the only solution.
or, you could do, what celebrities do - never talk to people with phone cameras pointing at you
ever
 
FWIW You have the right to film anywhere you like in public. Just be sure it is public and not private property.
 
@Danack I see
 
@Fabor depends on the country
 
Clarification: US and UK
Those I know of at least.
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier you're welcome .. the more you know
 
12:56 PM
@tereško When I went over to the US and went to a php meetup, afterwards a group of them were sat around and one of the women turned and said to me "so, why would I want to be you then"? I was like what? She said, everyone turned to me, "You're privileged, why wouldn't I want to be you?". Had no idea what to say, so I just said I crash my motorbike a lot and it hurts
 
evening
 
Wes
gah i feel so tired today. like "i could sleep 24 hours" tired
 
It's so sunny outside I feel like I am being punished if I look out the windows. Not just because the blinding afterimage.
 
@Danack and these fs operations go through syscalls
 
@Jimbo Answer: "Because I am awesome"
 
12:57 PM
@PeeHaa yeah, tmp file + rename
because rename() is an atomic syscall
 
I've always treated that as atomic, but never been sure
 
@Jimbo Second answer "Because I don't ask pretentious questions".
 
@Fabor I was unassuming and was put on the spot, out the blue... Didn't know what to say, I was happy and cheery and having a few drinks with them all and then that happened
 
ln -sfn does a unlink() followed by symlink()
 
That's my experience with it anyway.
 
12:58 PM
Also known as "Shower Answers" to me. The perfect response you think of 5 days later in the shower and regret not saying.
 
@Jimbo you misunderstood the question. They don't see people as individuals but as belonging to a class.
 
Ahh good ol' brain loves reliving shitty memories.
 
moagain
 
GET TO WORK CHRIS
Been slacking on Jeeves all week
 
@Fabor Yep, sucks right. Wish I could overclock my brain legally
@DaveRandom whips
 
12:59 PM
@Jimbo Cognitive Dissonance Theory
 
@Fabor You're right, Jeeves has been neglected this week, I'll do some more work on it
 
heh
 
:P
 
@Fabor if I am not mistaken, it would have been seen as saying that "all women are pretentious". Really bad answer. Lucky for you, you dont get out too much in the current year :P
 
1:01 PM
If you're not sure, go for the best of both worlds. Cognitive Dissonance Therapy.
 
@tereško Answer: "All women are the same in your opinion then?"
 
as I said, they dont think see anyone as an individual
 
TBH it's a lose:lose. It was more likely a rhetorical question for her. No matter what answer.
 
I felt pretty powerless when that happened tbh
 
welcome to the brave new world
 
1:03 PM
@Jimbo Forget about it. She'll live on being this pretentious person no one likes. You on the other hand look like Justin Biebers ugly cousin.
 
Right tosspot, I'm going to have you done for sexual harassment at the next conference
 
Cool, when is the next Asia conference?
 
I saw you got your visa, when you going?
 
emmm .. @Fabor, AFAIK, you dont speak "asian"
also, Asia is kinda big
 
¯_(ツ)_/¯ 2 years to enter with 3 month stay. I'll most likely Thailand (30d) -> Laos (15d) -> Vietnam (15d) -> China
huh, where did my left upper arm go?
 
1:05 PM
you need to escape it
 
he escaped
 
at least attempting to
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
@tereško It's more that I can move around Asia easy enough to attend any conferences on the eastern side. Room 11 Asia trip 2017.
 
Come to india as well :)
 
1:06 PM
Come to Japan @tereško. We'll eat sushi and drink shitty Asahi.
I'll find you a waifu.
 
japan is a nice place to visit, but pretty bad to live - they dont like anyone but japanese
 
maybe not
 
They're too polite to show that though. Come visit then.
 
sounds like the South here in the US... if you aren't a white male, you aren't gonna go very far
 
Damn I missed the sneaky edit -_-
 
1:09 PM
hello
 
I guess @FélixGagnon-Grenier and @Trowski are afk now
 
bleh... Asahi... I've never cared for even good Sake either
 
or not
 
Ekn
right on time
 
1:10 PM
@rabbitguy Try plumb sake if you get a chance. It's heaven in your mouth.
 
I don't like sweet wines...
 
but moscato!
 
sake is not wine
 
what about sweet rhymes?
 
can have a sweet time.
 
1:10 PM
@tereško also very not sweet
 
I used to work in this Japanese restaurant here in the states in college and to put in perspective, most the ppl who ate there were off the boat from Japan. They could barely speak English, so I have a feeling the food was authentic...
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier I am from eastern europe. We drink beer and vodka
 
@rabbitguy I never really understood the "Go aboard and eat what you have back home". Sure for maybe curiosity.
 
@Ekn you just walk right in
 
Ekn
true, true
 
1:11 PM
I say that and yet I am known for trying a McDonalds in every country I go to.
 
so question I had... that I asked as I was leaving work instead of waiting till the start of the day...
 
the ppl there lived in that town. They wanted to stay within their culture I suppose
 
I think I have had McDonalds in about ~25 different countries.
 
but only the rich factory owners ate there nightly...
and their meals would be like 6 courses and they'd eat for 3 hours
$600 tab for 4 guys
 
@rabbitguy Isn't that basically standard in the US? #ShotsFired
 
1:13 PM
@Fabor rank them
 
I have a function, check_required_checkbox($checkbox_name, $error, $is_multiple_checkboxes). I am trying to write it so that if I have an array of checkbox names, and I check to see if all of the checkboxes are checked. However, in php 5.1, syntax such as $_POST[$checkbox_name][] isn't allowed. How can I write it properly? (and to answer earlier questions, I'm on php 5.3)
 
Ekn
there was a McDonalds here, it closed, no one went
 
@rabbitguy that's basically a cost of school book in USA
 
probably... I wouldn't know. I am raising two kids on my own, so I have no money :P
 
@Ekn wow. how awesome are you guys?
@DaveRandom mehehe
 
1:14 PM
@PaulCrovella USA #1. China #2, Japan #3, Bahrain #4, France #5.
 
@DaveRandom there is no "meal" here, but constant eating throughout the day
 
@Fabor BK> McDonalds
 
@Tiffany a) 5.1 lolwtf and b) yes it is legal syntax since PHP 4, possibly earlier
 
last night I took my kids out to eat, though. We ate Vietnamese. Found a little restaurant in a nearby town where most of their clients were Vietnamese... Decent food
 
@Fabor all 25 of them.
 
1:15 PM
I had some kinda beef soup... a shit ton of rice noodles... Not very spicy, but I am not the biggest spice fan, so that was good for me..
my kids love spice, so they went to town there
 
@PaulCrovella lol. My food memory isn't that good :P
 
@DaveRandom phpstorm is throwing a fit over it, I googled what was wrong, found out it was syntax that was deprecated in 5.1. /shrug I just want my function to work.
 
Ekn
It's a small beach town, Everyone knows each other, therefore everyone knows who cooks the best. No need for Mc's when you are so into barbeque and italian pizza @Félix
 
McDonalds is where you eat, when you are desperate for food on 04:00, Wednesday night (because every other place is closed)
 
Most countries are usually pretty good at a specific McDonalds item though. China had the best chocolate sundae BY FAR.
 
1:15 PM
@Tiffany What exactly is the entire line it's complaining about?
 
I f'kn hate McD's
 
McDonalds is also point at the picture menu.
 
Also PHP storm doesn't really know about 5.1, I don't think it even has a 5.2 mode
 
@DaveRandom "Cannot use [] for reading"
 
Oh right no you can't use it for reading
Can you show your whole function in a gist?
(brb 5 mins)
 
Ekn
1:17 PM
s/barbeque/asado meh.
 
Don't get me wrong though. I only eat McDonalds because it's traditional for me to. Otherwise I'll try anything once.
FTR best place to eat in the world generally is China.
 
@Fabor butt sex?
 
China where 2/5 hygiene rating is good.
@rabbitguy Dinner first please.
 
lol
gotta have your priorities
 
I don't have it completely written, but basically: if ($is_multiple_checkboxes == true) { if (!isset($_POST[$checkbox_name][]))
 
1:18 PM
@rabbitguy And standards.
 
hm
I guess chat doesn't like shift-enter and ```
 
@Fabor Micky-D's coming up
 
@PaulCrovella lol
 
@Fabor says the guy who likes McD's
 
he didn't say they were high standards
 
1:20 PM
@rabbitguy You should check out the Szechuan district if you like spice a lot. I had this there. I'm not good with spice and this thing was silly hot. Tasted so good I pushed through it.
I think that meal was like £4
@PaulCrovella No no, they're very low. Not @PeeHaa's mother low, but close.
 
yeah, spice isn't really my thing. I've had Szechuan food before, and there is a Szechuan restaurant next to that Vietnamese place we ate at last night. I'm sure we'll try it eventually...
like I said, my children love spice, but spice hates my lower stomach
:(
brb
 
Don't insult McD's by comparing them to Peehaa's mom
 
Ahh, fire poop. The tough choice between tongue or butt satisfaction.
 
o_o
 
@Machavity they are neck-and-neck for # of millions served
 
1:23 PM
@tereško Oh wow, just watched it
 
Ekn
hOi
 
Is this real life? :o
hOi!
 
I'm glad that I don't eat fast food, and spicy food is usually too much for me
 
is this just fantasy?
 
or is it reality
 
1:23 PM
caught in a landslide
 
Ekn
no escape from reality
there you go.
 
\o/
 
Thankns
I work in copyright though, anymore lyrics and I will DMCA this room.
 
@MadaraUchiha sadly, it is
 
@Ekn I see you've yet to be introduced to heroin.
9
 
Ekn
1:26 PM
@FélixGagnon-Grenier ok, you can
 
(damn, how can stuff always sound so creepy when written on a screen)
@Ekn :p
I was starting to wonder
 
Regret the things you do not the things you don't! Pass me the spoon.
"I'll try anything once"
 
@MadaraUchiha didn't it make you all warm and dizzy inside ?
 
@tereško That, it did.
 
if warm === burning with the fierce passion of a million suns, yeah sure
 
1:29 PM
I like how he didn't even try to clarify (something like "first name: hugh, last name: mongus")
Just "I'm humongus" to mess with her further
Dunno if that was intentional or not.
 
Ekn
@FélixGagnon-Grenier /me doesn't take any sorta chemicals, unless required by a specific illness
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier Hey kid... you like PHP? I got some new stuff for you to try over here. it's called HHVM...
 
@Ekn technically, hydrogen dioxide is a chemical
 
/me is a firm believer in better living through pharmaceuticals
 
@Machavity :)
apart from the joke... should I?
 
1:32 PM
do work at facebook?
 
@Fabor Gutan is something I learned to cook working at that Japanese restaurant. My kids will tell you they love cow tongue bcz of it :)
 
Gutan?
 
@tereško I think I have a lot of space to improve my skills before that :)
 
I've never done any illegal drugs. Lots of opportunity. Unsure what the future holds though.
 
Gutan is just pan seared cow tongue
 
1:36 PM
Sounds nice
 
@FélixGagnon-Grenier if you want to learn something useful, learn JS
ES6 and the associated build tools in particular
 
very tasty if done right. Kinda like a chewy piece of steak with lots of flavor
 
@tereško actually my new job (starting on september 6) will be essentially in javascript
 
Gyutan
was spelling it wrong
 
last few weeks I've been familiarizing myself with npm, browserify and react
 
1:37 PM
fuck react
 
my first few contacts are kinda okay
 
@bwoebi BTW I have been emailing with people who voted no to short closures.
So far only a few have responded but overall their impression is not much better.
 
guys please take a quick look 23.226.236.248/elie/tycron/index.php and tell me why the body color and .index_box style aren't being applied
 
1:38 PM
@FélixGagnon-Grenier from what I have seen, it's really bad at separating the layers (content, design, behavior)
 
I'm following up to try to get to the roots of their uncomfortableness.
 
@tereško yeah, it's actually part of the paradigm. it's a premisse (not sure if that word exists in english) of the "language"
which fits ok with js ecosystem
as it helps modularizing things
 
I dont see it surviving long
 
that however, can totally be true :p
 
@LeviMorrison The aliens from T_SPACESHIP have them terrorized so they're reluctant to add more operators that look like ASCII art
 
@LeviMorrison Any chance you could reword something in the 7.1 upgrading notes?
 
@SergeyTelshevsky That's what happens if you don't RTFM.
 
@Machavity Possibly - ping me with it and I'll look later.
 
I spend more time updating some apps than using them. Stupid google.
 
@Oldskool sadly they could only RTF
 
1:46 PM
@PaulCrovella :')
 
hi. anyone using laravel?
 
@blackhatmario Nope
 
@LeviMorrison "call_user_func() will now consistently fail to perform calls to functions
that accept reference arguments." Is kinda awkward (sounds like it's going to fail out until you read the next sentence). Would read better as "call_user_func() will now fail in a consistent manner in regards to calling to functions
that accept reference arguments."
 
@blackhatmario I think only one of regulars use it here. Most of us avoid it like plague.
 
haha, why ;).. anyone using a ramework at all? if yes, what is your favourite php framework?
 
1:50 PM
The expression "avoid it like the plague" is quite a funny one because naturally we don't actively avoid the plague anymore and haven't for a while. Never really thought about it.
 
I just started with laravel a week ago.. it looks good so far. for me personally is Zend Framework a plague
 
@Fabor when the plague crops up we avoid it like the... um.. plague
 
@blackhatmario Most of us usually use libraries. You can be a Laravel developer or PHP Developer.
@PaulCrovella yes lol. Much more accurate.
 
@Fabor The modern version is "We avoid it like SARS The swine flu Zika"
 
Though we avoid the people infected with plague really.
 
1:52 PM
is it too late for me? is there a cure?
 
@blackhatmario How new to PHP are you?
 
@blackhatmario Yeah the only person who uses it is indeed the online as @tereško stated
 
used it since php3.. over 10 years.. maybe more.
 
@blackhatmario almost everything has a purpose, including Larevil. Simply use it when it suits purpose.
 
@blackhatmario And with that amount of knowledge and experience, you chose Laravel?
 
1:54 PM
Jul 19 at 12:25, by tereško
> if you need a reclining chair, you usually dont want it to come with the Boeing 747 attached to it
 
I just want to be "up to date".. you know.. if you need a new job.. they write "we need a dev who knows zend, laravel, blabla..." with 30y experience. ;)
 
@blackhatmario I personally build apps from various Composer packages, using Symfony's HttpKernel as core and the picking what else will I need.
 
I think pretty much all the libraries I use are Room 11 regular based. Well mostly.
 
@Fabor yeah .. there days you would want to avoid MRSA
 
@tereško Yeah, I had to have a swab for that once. During a nice 2 week vacation in a hospital that suffered from a MRSA problem not long before.
 
1:57 PM
@blackhatmario instead of trying to catch the latest hype-train, you should focus on understanding programing practices, architecture and principles.
 
If that's the kind of job you want.
If you're happy churning out websites then Laravel is fine.
 
@blackhatmario Mu framework is the best framework ever!!!!!11
 

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