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8:00 PM
you mean "on youtube"? or do you mean "live, right now"
 
@Ekin NomadPHP
 
I generally find the presentations published online but haven't watched any online
 
@Ekin PHP World
 
either live or recorded
 
8:02 PM
that's great, thanks
 
any of these are live on event day? with q&a possibility
 
that was me
@Ekin I'm presenting at Nomad next week
 
@Ekin That one I just linked was broadcast live
 
8:04 PM
That was a great talk, too
 
yeah I watched some of defcon and black hat already
"The Life of an If Statement" that's a nice title
and interesting topic
 
that's the one I'm presenting :)
 
cool :)
"Docker for PHP Developers" this one is interesting too
I never used php on heroku or docker etc
Video Only - this is great
cause basically I'll be here melting with 38C in the middle of nowhere
 
8:14 PM
My linkedin
 
lol
 
I'd almost sign up for linkedin just to give you another endorsement on table flipping.
 
hehehee
also: it's not table flipping
it's putting tables back
 
I think I have "murder" and "corpse disposal" somewhere
 
@Ocramius I didn't think you were Hans Reiser.
 
8:17 PM
@jbafford hey, hey, gotta export a bit of Italia
 
@ircmaxell nice =)
@NikiC any particular reason why you did (comparatively) expensive traversal from root to child instead of from child up to root (generator->node.parent)? lxr.php.net/xref/PHP_MASTER/Zend/zend_generators.c#281
or is that forward compatible for whenever we'll be yielding from multiple generators simultaneously? :-P
Am I missing anything or why is there no live range in generator get_gc?
 
8:34 PM
@Ocramius This is why the last commit message is "abandon hope"; this is from the documentation:
FULL_COMMIT = COMMIT.merge({
  "stats" => {
    "additions" => 104,
    "deletions" => 4,
    "total"     => 108,
  },
  "files" => [{
    "filename"  => "file1.txt",
    "additions" => 10,
    "deletions" => 2,
    "changes" => 12,
    "status" => "modified",
    "raw_url" => "https://github.com/octocat/Hello-World/raw/7ca483543807a51b6079e54ac4cc392bc29ae284/file1.txt",
    "blob_url" => "https://github.com/octocat/Hello-World/blob/7ca483543807a51b6079e54ac4cc392bc29ae284/file1.txt",
    "patch" => "@@ -29,7 +29,7 @@\n....."
As in the "Full commit object is extending the commit object, but with some extra crap bunged in".
 
@Danack I'm cloning the entire repo anyway, heh
but yeah, I feel the pain
 
Feel free to PR with completed types!
 
For now not doing any OSS on this
this is all private until it produces $$$ (hopefully)
 
can somebody help me with this task?
Please write JavaScript function "mulc" that accepts only one (first) argument and returns a delegate (another function) M. Another function M should accept another one (second) argument and return multiplication of first & second arguments.
 
after the first MVP (that produces $$$) I can probably OSS it
@Nikanor this is not "we help you with your homework".
 
8:36 PM
@Ocramius Cool - btw - some of the API responses need to have the headers of the response cached with the actual body, if you want the cached version to be meaningful.
 
@Danack not caching anything, luckily
 
o yes, i just need a help to understand is this real task because it sounds silly to me
 
mmm. k.... you may need to. the api rate limit is not that high.
 
@Nikanor Nor is this Room 17
 
@Danack I don't cache because I save the entire responses in my db
:D
 
8:38 PM
I pronounce that caching...
 
nah, it's not cache because it's more like a snapshot, while in a cache scenario I'll need to re-fetch at some point
so far, I got 2 API calls to add/remove an ssh key, 1 to get a PR status (don't care if it changes), and then N (in write) stuff back to the PR
 
@Nikanor the task is to make a "partial function" for multiplication
it should work like this:
 
@tereško stop
please see the JS room
 
var x = mulc(4);
x = x(5);
console.log(x); // returns 20
 
... oh
ok
sorry for doubting you @tereško
 
8:43 PM
@Ocramius btw there's a high chance you'll want to 'borrow' the Github paginator and the ratelimit checker
 
@FlorianMargaine he seems to be asking for someone to explain the task
 
Also, fuck the Github paginator.
 
@Nikanor was this what you wanted to understand?
 
@Danack yup, I'll surely need the paginator :|
 
Anonymous
@tereško just saw uncanny valley, it reminds of this picture I saw some time ago old.simianuprising.com/images/futurewowplayerlarge.jpg
 
8:46 PM
@Danack last time I had to deal with it was not nice: github.com/weierophinney/changelog_generator/blob/…
 
@samayo that wasn't what I took away from it though
 
I really thought it was somehow related to xcom 2
 
no, it was a lot creepier
 
and imagining that... made it even more creepy
 
@Ocramius Actually - if you gave a list of all the github API calls you need to work, I could polish of that API tomorrow to make sure they work. It's actually pretty darn performant - with proper asynchronous downloads...
 
8:49 PM
@Ekin you dont need aliens for it to become true in 2030
 
that's a rare found quality short film imo
 
@Danack no worries, this is gonna be done by workers anyway :)
I'm really gonna hack through the night on this and get it done
 
@tereško yeah, real/virtual distinction or experiencing is a developing one
though 14 years still feels like a short span
 
@Ekin nokia 3310 was released in 2000
 
"An expert player discovers that the line between games and reality is starting to fade away." this is something that's already happening in the base sense and psychologically, just with much less machine era or post-machine era that is visible on the short film
yeah, correct
 
8:58 PM
here, watch something less depressing, @Ekin : vimeo.com/94502406
 
Anonymous
hehe, still depressing ^
 
Anonymous
but a really kickass animation though
 
:D I remember that one
 
Anonymous
I don't know why, but I like this one. youtube.com/watch?v=t3lSSp-3068
 
user5236938
Cool but crazy thought, since they can already block pain by inserting whatever it is in the spine that stops it, it seems as if they could produce feelings as well. So wouldn't it be crazy if there is at some point a virtual reality that allows you to not only see, but feel as well?
 
Anonymous
9:00 PM
I watch it once every year
 
feelings are so easily produced even only by sight, so virtual or real you will have the dem feels :p
I think just that is enough to achieve making someone "feel" via a virtually real thing
this topic always reminds me sword art online
 
user5236938
Feelings that have only been produced in their body before though. A person who hasn't ever been shot can't ever reproduce the feeling of being shot if it he/she hasn't produced it in the first place. That's just the physical side of it. Think of other things. A person who has never experienced love can't reproduce it because they have never felt it. Only THEIR version of what it should/would feel like.
 
yeah correct
 
user5236938
PHP just got really deep.
 
:)
 
9:08 PM
@Ekin why would it remind you about epic disappointment ?
 
it's because they have the gear like the VR sets and they get stuck into virtuality
why it was a big disappointment for you?
 
@bwoebi I copied that from the free_storage code. I don't know how the node tree stuff works
 
@ircmaxell very nice talk you did
 
@bwoebi If that's not the best way to do it, please improve it. Does the free_storage code have some special requirements or is it also outdated?
 
@Ocramius Bros!
 
9:15 PM
@tereško sorry, not the feelings bit actually. the thought of crossing some sort of a reality-virtuality bridge makes me remember that
 
@DejanMarjanovic you're alive :O
I thought you got caught by Serbian mafia?
 
Yeah, got out of the jail...
 
@Ekin that anime started out really promising, but by the 3rd episode it had morphed in a lame harem. And then it went full-retard in second season.
 
Self defense is a crime here :D
I was in "above Rome" Italy for a month, not sure why you've ditched that in favor of ... Germany ... I understand if it's E (with round corners) :{)
 
@tereško yeah I know, I really hate when an anime becomes nothing but "save the girl" or get the girl or "nakama power"
 
9:24 PM
oh, it alright to gave the "save the girl" storyline ... but that one was more like "collect the girls"
 
@DejanMarjanovic I actually don't live in Germany, I live in my house, and sometimes go to conferences :P
 
hell, second arc in Bleach was "save the girl" and it was one of the best ones
 
oh bleach is an exception
 
@tereško Bleach was always alternating between "save the girl" and "train for the next arc"
 
there might be other exceptions too now that I think
 
9:26 PM
@MadaraUchiha the latter ones are also known as "fillers"
 
@NikiC oh okay … well, if it disturbs me once again I'll change it then. … The node tree stuff is … well, you're searching a child based of a leaf node until you reach leaf instead of just going parent up until root node … but that was me who introduced that so … wtf at myself ^^
 
@Ocramius Awesome, people really liked me, all of them said Tu sei un pazzo!
 
@tereško Nah, Bleach fillers are the worst kind, totally unrelated ones stuck in the middle of the plot without even try to ease.
I'm talking about the canon ones
First ark: training
Second ark: save rukia
Third ark: hollow training
Fourth ark: save inoue
 
But, I had to return to crap because I can stay only 3 months in EU :P Where do you live, in mafia town? @Ocramius
 
that inoue woman, she was so stupid in an arc with amazing fights
 
9:27 PM
@NikiC oh, I see why I did it that way. to avoid cascading due to parent node being freed and then also updating tree … But it doesn't matter in your code ^^
because it's only the leaf updating and when I free the parent first, I'm breaking the tree
but no need in get_gc for that ^^
 
wanna good anime, watch something like Ergo Proxy :P
 
@DejanMarjanovic nah, still Frankfurt area
 
@tereško Have you played Undertale yet?
 
nope
 
Go and play Undertale already.
 
9:33 PM
I can't. It's not available on linux.
 
@tereško If you try hard enough, you can run it on your goddamn mobile phone
Wine should have absolutely no problem running it
 
also, I really don't want to
 
@tereško Trust me, you really really do.
 
nope
 
And even when I finally convince you to play it, you'll want to drop it midway, don't.
 
9:36 PM
@MadaraUchiha It's common for most series, really. They had no idea what to do with the main story arc so they had inane side-arcs
 
It's undoubtedly the game with the best story concept since... Kingdom Hearts, probably.
 
emm .. your opinion just got disqualified
 
@tereško vOv
Suit yourself
 
I tend to avoid games, that try to beat me with "the message"
 
@Machavity and there is this - horse head driven development
 
9:42 PM
seriously, wtf, how did they managed to fuck it up again
 
this is just... so friday
 
@tereško genuine LOL
 
> An abbreviation for a designer drug which combines Vicodin, Opium, and Viagra. It is rumored to be popular within the elderly community"
 
@tereško Dude shrugging his shoulders
 
@Ocramius do you happen to have any reasonable example text for "non-dealing" or "non-compete" that would be appropriate for a contract for a programmer?
 
@MadaraUchiha that's way less interesting
 
@PaulCrovella vOv
 
I might have found a job, but the non-compete agreement they want me to sign is......bogus.
 
@Danack Fairly sure a non-compete agreement is illegal in most countries
Companies aren't allowed to hurt your freedom to choose your occupation.
 
@Danack heheh the bullshit I have signed...
Over here they cannot enforce it luckely
 
9:57 PM
Thank you for following I've been told there could be a 50 Nerds of Grey book if I get 200,000 followers. So let's hope that doesn't happen!
 
@PeeHaa the way this one is written means it probably is completely unenforceable also. But I would prefer not to have to "hope for the best."
 
in the US they can be binding in some states, though it comes down to the specifics (scope, duration, compensation, etc.)
 
mostly it is around corporate secrets
 
I've decided that, for my job hunt code sample, I'm going to write either the world's most lazy object persistence mechanism or a small full application. Or both. What could go wrong?
 
@PaulCrovella scope = universal, duration = 1 year, compensation = none
@ircmaxell yeah....that's what I'm going to ask them to add to the words. Currently there is no limitation to the scope, just a vague 'current or future competitor'.
"Oh, you want to work for another company that makes software - well they're a competitor.....sorry."
 
10:00 PM
@Danack He that looks familiair :P
 
@Danack Yeah, that won't hold 10 seconds in court.
 
oh cool, without consideration (compensation) it's not binding as a contract - "agreements" mean diddly without that (check your country's laws, your mileage may vary, and so on)
 
@Danack non-complete?!
 
"non-compete" - "won't compete against".
 
ah
sorry, misread. Hmm... I signed many bogus ones, tbh, because they are all too vague, but not defensible in court
 
10:04 PM
@PaulCrovella I've checked....apparently they can say, "you need to sign this to be offered a job", and then the offer of the job would be assumed to be the 'consideration', to make it a legal binding. But no - they're not actually offering any cash-money.
@Ocramius "but not defensible in court" annoyingly, and what's making me not want to sign, is that the text also says that they wouldn't need to go to court to get "injunctive relief". aka I'd have to go to court to prove them wrong, rather than them having to initiate the legal action.
aka:
 
@Danack having a job is no longer consideration after you've left a job... to stand a chance it'd need an additional chunk of change worth limiting your other financial prospects for
that or your courts are total bullshit
 
@PaulCrovella I can't (be arsed) to find it now, but the rules are different for getting a new employee and an existing employee to sign a non-compete. For existing employees, yes some consideration would be needed, but I believe that the "offer of job" is sufficient for new employees. And yes, our courts are pretty much bullshit.
 
10:23 PM
@MadaraUchiha except that he has to fight it
 
@ircmaxell True.
 
This is sadly true for most of these contracts, @Danack
fyi, my contract with Valtech when I was working in Bristol had some quite ridiculous similar clauses (basically would never be able to work with anything that has to do with automotive stuff for ~6 years)
 
10:36 PM
@Ocramius you at least had the cunning plan of leaving the country after the job ended.
 
@Danack it's valid for the entire EU
not that I'm really happy about taking on a new job where nobody knows how to match a VRM with a VIM, but heh, I already worked with other automotive companies since then
actually even during
 
heh, funny
damn I really suck at formatting in chat
 
10:59 PM
Interesting, "A new record for the fastest ever data transmission rate between a single transmitter and receiver has been set, achieving a rate of 1.125 terabits per second using an optical communications system. "
 
user5236938
How would you whitelist a URL? say URL example.com has 4 different servers but the IP address change every so often. would it be reverse DNS?
 
11:21 PM
oh crap, Obama retired
 
@Ekin that's basically the bandwidth of R7 360 or GTX 950
we might see GPU-over-cable as a viable solution in about 3-4 years
.. of course FuryX has 512GB/s bandwidth, which is like 5x of what they could push through
 
11:36 PM
http://phys.org/news/2016-02-fastest.html 2nd paragraph says:
"While current state-of-the-art commercial optical transmission systems are capable of receiving single channel data rates of up to 100 gigabits per second (Gb/s), we are working with sophisticated equipment in our lab to design the next generation core networking and communications systems that can handle data signals at rates in excess of 1 terabit per second (Tb/s)."
That's pretty interesting
 
/me is watching "End of an Era" concert and writing documentation for his router lib
 
tarja?
 
yes
it's one of those bands, that I picked up as kid in highschool
 
/me grabs a glass of beer
I liked the Nightwish with Tarja, but stopped listening them when vocal was Anette
 
I thiink it's true for majority of people
they lost what made them unique
 
@Danack does it support list('b' => $foo, 'c' => $bar) = ['a' => 0, 'b' => 1, 'c' => 1 ]; ?
where $foo === $bar === 1
 
@tereško It does, unless I've completely misread it.
 
... it's kinda hard to make a one-liner example :(
 
Yeah - that's one of the reasons why people are voting against it - it's hard to write that code on one line.
$data = ['a' => 0, 'b' => 1, 'c' => 1 ];
list(
    'b' => $foo,
    'c' => $bar
) = $data;
 
Kinda hard to write it on one line... but impossible to write the alternative as one statement.
 

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