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10:00 PM
@nerdy because you will never know what is going to happen.. you could use fw to build social network, it's not the problem
but to use fw, you must know what is php, what is variable, function, how to use namespaces, etc..
 
@nerdy It's possible to build almost anything out of almost anything else, but you wouldn't. When you get up to the insane scales of FB, that's when you start actually inventing new programming languages to solve those problems.
 
i.e. that's when you hack
 
Of course, this is widely acknowledged to be not a great idea, but it's the sort of thing you end up trying to do...
 
twitter started as a rails project, but now they moved on..
 
@Farkie Payday. DN will pay 80%, but I do not currently own £99.
 
10:02 PM
119+
Ran outta blind bird today :o
 
was my joke that bad? :(
 
:-(
n/m like I say, work will pay 80%
So it's only costing me an extra £4
 
Thanks a lot Ivan and DaveRandom, really helped to get some directions , appreciate it :)
 
@FlorianMargaine yes. yes it was. your joke was bad an you should feel bad.
:-P
 
damn :p
 
10:05 PM
Hey wait @Farkie so do the early birds come with hackathon entry or... what's the deal?
 
nah, hackathon aren't out yet
 
Tickets released nearer the time, do they cost extra?
 
free
but nearer
cos noone really knows if they can attend yet
 
Oh right so just first come first served
@Farkie I do, I'll just wander across town from work :-P
 
Well... I'll be there :P
shootin 'dem barcodes
 
10:07 PM
Pretty sure that has an implicit gangsta beat over it
 
pew pew pew
 
@PeeHaa pull your finger out with buying a damn phpnw ticket
 
:)
 
:P
 
/cc @Fabien
@Farkie curl sucks. But on a *nix distro with a package manager sourced PHP/cURL/OpenSSL binary it shouldn't bitch about certs if your browser wouldn't bitch about it
If it does you just need to configure curl.cacert ini option
 
10:10 PM
Just one more question, is it viable to start a project by using a framework and then later, if it has gone too big, to stop using frameworks and code everything manually wihtouth much effort ? Or would it kinda of require too much effort to more or less re-code the site completely which would imply that it would be better to just continue to use the framework ?
 
@nerdy depends
 
Short answer: probably not
 
hmhm, to what question
heh?
 
Oh sorry, the first one
 
oh i see
 
10:11 PM
But tbh by the time your thing is that big, it's not going to be your biggest problem
You'll be able to afford to pay people to do the required rewrite, for one thing...
omg 24 day 9 is turning out to be sooooo much better than I was expecting
 
oh that makes a lot of sense ..
thanks again for the input
 
day 9?!
heh I guess day 9 == season 9
 
@nerdy one thing to remember is that if you come here (being that it's a PHP room), people will tell you to use PHP. Likewise if you go see a Ruby community, they'll tell you PHP sucks and you should use Ruby. Python people will tell you to use Python, etc etc etc. Don't put too much stock anything any one person or group of people tells you. All of them are biased, and some of them are just plain wrong.
 
oh thats a nice advice :) . i started to see only recently the existence of multiple options(programming languages) to do the same thing .. yesterday when i read a reaaly big rant about python. But getting more acquainted to the scenario now hehe
 
@Farkie Yeh, although supposedly this is only 12 hrs - but it was supposed to jump around a bit time-wise and so far it hasn't, so I'm now wondering if it's going to be a full 24 eps and they've just kept it under their hats
 
10:18 PM
but i read that facebook and even yahoo uses php, why would ppl say its not good ?
heheh
 
Facebook sorta use PHP
they .. customise it
 
And (according to Rasmus) half of Y! is technically written in C
At one point he said they have "hundreds" of custom PHP extensions
Also PHP has a bad rap because it does have a lot of things wrong with it, from a linguistic puritan's point of view
And it's got a lot of terrible design artefacts in it
And people write a lot of bad code with it
 
s/of bad//
 
true
But accessibility means that there are inherently a lot of newbies using PHP because it's an easy in, so there is a disproportionately large amount of terrible code written with it
 
10:37 PM
hey anybody have a site built with laravel and hosted on bluehost?
 
@av17 No, most of us here are sane people.
 
lol, i just got bluehost yesterday, I didnt know it would complicate things...
im thinking of cancelling it and going to digital ocean..
 
@av17 Get a VPS
 
does it matter with who?
or from digital ocean :p
 
@av17 RamNode are very good
I don't know anyone who worked with them and isn't satisfied. Me included.
 
10:39 PM
wait so this would work like regular hosting?
ive heard of VPS's before but never looked too far into them..
 
@av17 Fiddle with a VM first before getting a VPS if you're not a linux user
 
ah yeah i hate virtual machines lol
i plan on developing locally,
 
@av17 Learn to love them.
 
Shared hosting is crap. Try to avoid them
 
i mean, i am developing locally. I just want to be able to upload my sites to a server once it's done for it to go live
i can always just re-upload and overwrite
im going to be having many sites
is homestead a VM? hamza
okay so im looking into homestead, is this basically a substitue for WAMP?
 
10:50 PM
@av17 I have two VPSs
Staging and Production
Code from local dev goes to staging, production periodically pulls from master branch on staging
Git is used for deployment for all machines.
Learn your linux. Everyone uses linux.
 
zzz these programs are so confusing lol
 
only 2?
we usually have 4 VMs at work
integration: all devs work to see if it keeps working, and internal testing
remote test : client testing
staging : production copy, to see if the prod delivery works alright
and production.
and of course, each dev has his dev vm
 
11:07 PM
@FlorianMargaine I'm not sure I get the point in remote test and staging being separate, seems like they should always have identical codebases
You don't get client approval then bugger around with it a bit before you deploy it
 
@DaveRandom I want to buy one but I am still unsure if my company will buy one. They're dragging their feet. Coupled with the fact I don't want to impose on your household :p
 
@DaveRandom remote test is a VM within our control, staging is controlled by the hosting company
so we need to make sure deployment works in the hosting company's environment
 
@Fabien Time is limited to buy tickets. You should lean on your boss next week, tell him you've already missed the window for £99 tickets, he needs to pull finger out now! :-D
 
@DaveRandom I would if I wan't in Tenerife all next week :P. Got a bus to catch in 6 hours 35 minutes
 
@FlorianMargaine Ahh right then yeh that makes sense. We host ourselves so we can skip that step
 
11:12 PM
Realistically when will they sell out by?
 
@Farkie ^
 
The 119? few months
though this is the quickest and most we've sold blind bird alone
 
@Fabien I wouldn't bank on anything past mid-aug, and the price will go up again before then...
 
I prompted head dev again today. When I get back I will push to the big boss or something and see what I can get.
 
Even if they will pay 50% it would be worth your own money for the other 50% imo
Well actually last year I paid 100% of it myself so...
 
11:15 PM
haha selling itself
 
If their 50% included accommodation sure
 
I know i'm biased, but it's one of the best I've been too, on par with Benelux
 
Like I say, I really don't mind you crashing on my sofa. It's not glamorous but it's got a roof.
The house, not the sofa
:-P
 
made a den?
 
The Boy's cot makes an awesome den
@Farkie any spoilers on the speaker list?
 
11:20 PM
nah don't think they've been looked at
yet
Jeremy is at DPC
 
I was considering putting together an unconf talk on the whole streams/SSL thing, not sure how that'll work out (read: whether I'll have the guts)
 
@DaveRandom I'd definitely like to but still not easy to shake the imposing feeling. All this after you are having dreams about me too :p
 
/me gets a nice comfy hotel room :D
 
@Danack That is indeed bathed in interestingness
 
11:30 PM
Anyhoo it's time for bed. I'll see you guys in a week. @DaveRandom If the boss says it's a no go I'll buy a ticket and it'd be an honor to crash on your roof-covered sofa :)
 
Shame about the Java...
 
@DaveRandom Taken from Twilio blog
How to upgrade all the things with no downtime.
 
@DaveRandom where in mcr are you?
 
@Farkie Salford, near media city
I can walk to town in ~45mins but I live about 30 secs from a tram stop
 
Ahh
I'm up in Atherton (near Bolton)
 
11:33 PM
I know exactly where Atherton is, half of my family live around there
 
Ah cool
not many people heard of it :D
 
My mum's side of the family are all from around Bolton, my Grandma lived in the same house in Farnworth for 60 yrs or something ridiculous
Which is surprising, most people get shot long before that point
 
heh
 
I live at the bottom of the hill of Langworthy road, if you know where that is (you go about 1/4 mile from my house if you drive in on the A580)
 
ahh yea
 

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