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3:00 PM
and that is a shame of Russian language..
 
@AlmaDo We have a few of those. "fuck" was one not so long ago but I think the internet has desensitised it, "c**t" still is one in my book, but tbh the majority of them a racist terms that I won't go into here
Something I do find a little odd is the fact that all the qs on that site seem to be in English
It's not specifically for foreigners learning russian, as far as I can see from the area51 scope
Non-English speakers discussing the finer points of their non-English language in English seems like a slightly odd thing to do...
 
@DaveRandom I think it's the way it should be as for english being international language that most of the visitors at least understand, learning russian as a third language it's easier to understand what others are saying, especially for the beginners - it does not require them to translate word by word
 
@DaveRandom Yea, "See You Next Tuesday" is one of the few English terms that is met with offense.
Fuck, ass and fuckass are all pretty much almost okay.
 
...that's what yo momma said last night?
 
s/yo/@Lusitanian's/
(he must hate us)
 
3:07 PM
taking offense at just words seems pretty extreme to me ...
 
I really hope I never meet that lady in real life, I'm sure she's lovely
 
@JoeWatkins different mentalities
 
@Danack None that I am willing to share at the moment :D
 
@JoeWatkins saying one of the "yo momma" jokes a couple years ago would most likely lead to a hospital
 
@JoeWatkins tbh there are three forms of offensive words: genital slang, religious curses, and derogatory terms. I have no problem with 1 or 2, I get why religious people would have an issue with 2 so I'm prepared to respect that, people who use 3 are immediately on the "do not talk to, ever" list.
 
3:10 PM
I don't get to decide how other people express themselves, if they want to use vulgar language, that's nothing to do with me .... also, it's only words ...
 
have a nice weekend guys!!!
 
@JoeWatkins Yeh it's more about the opinions they implicitly hold if they are prepared to use those words
 
wasn't the word in question "fuck" ?
 
@JoeWatkins there are two words for that in russian language
 
@JoeWatkins I'm referring to people who use words that are derogatory terms for minorities and/or other elements of society
 
3:13 PM
@JoeWatkins one being somewhat the fuck alternative
and the other one in the question
 
there's probably 20 English ones, I don't find any of them offensive ... so it seems extreme to me to find the word "fuck" offensive, in whatever form ...
 
Yes, I presume you'd think twice before dropping the N-bomb though...
 
Nipple?
 
yeah I get that, that's not about words though, n-word, or calling someone a bimbo or whatever, we all find that offensive not because of the words used ... the word fuck though, I don't understand ...
 
by the way, the N word is completely normal in russian
 
3:15 PM
> People who annoy you - N_GGERS
 
@DaveRandom Can I buy an 'A' 'i'?
I fucking derped that... lol
 
I really hope everyone here has seen that or people might get the wrong idea
 
@JoeWatkins Many religious people find those kinds of words offensive.
 
I love the look on the camera man's face, that's the best bit
 
lol
The best one I've seen in recent history is the testicular cancer one.
> Just a little bit of cancer Stan... just a little.
Balls in the microwave
 
3:17 PM
I'm probably 3 seasons behind by now
 
Oh, I haven't watched for awhile, only randomly.
 
@DaveRandom reference please :)
 
I just watch family guy s<most recent>
 
I used to, pretty religiously. Fucking awesome.
 
3:18 PM
Simpsons, seasons 2 through 7 is where it's at.
Even 8/9 are okay, but double digits and up took a dive from which they never recovered.
They must have fired some writers or something.
 
> ♬ Have you ever put butter on a poptart, it's so freakin' good, have you ever put butter on a poptart, if you haven't then I think you should... ♬
 
@DaveRandom ahah, couldn't remember where that was from
 
@DaveRandom He's talkin' POP TARTS!
 
@DanLugg It took a dive in 1999. Think what happened in 1999...
 
@LeviMorrison I don't see why that should make a difference ... I find religion offensive, there are parts of the world where it's considered a crime punishable by death to have premarital sex entirely motivated by religion ... so religion should make no difference, always, for everything ...
 
3:20 PM
(where the writers would go)
 
Futurama? Nah, I doubt that was why.
I mean, sure, their efforts would have been divided, but the general tone of the Simpsons changed. Too many pop-culture references, complete loss of the family dynamics, etc.
 
@JoeWatkins simple rule, think what would offend the person you're contacting with and don't do that, be it a religious person, a russian or a someone else
 
I suppose if they all shifted over to Futurama, and hired on new writers for the Simpsons, that'd make sense.
But that is fucking retarded, and I hope someone got fired.
 
@SergeyTelshevsky remove that word
 
@JoeWatkins done
 
3:23 PM
@DanLugg For doing it or as an alternative reason for it happening?
 
I think he meant "russian" ;-)
 
so referencing that joke is offensive too
 
@DaveRandom For doing it.
 
@DanLugg :)
 
The show would have (at this point at least) taken a hit in terms of quality, nothing lasts forever. But they basically pulled the cord out on it early by doing whatever it was they in fact did; be it fire, or move writers to another program (obv. Futurama)
I feel that we would have at least had quality episodes until season 15, maybe longer.
But again, spanning multiple generations, obviously there was pressure to keep the show "fresh" (aka: 14-year-old friendly)
I dunno, hard to say. It just pisses me off to watch the older episodes and love them, and know that never will anything like them be created again.
 
3:27 PM
@SergeyTelshevsky That particular word will almost certainly never be acceptable for use, even alluding to it. It carries a lot of cultural weight. South Park just barely gets away with it because they have a long history of doing some things that are extremely shocking to the sensibilities while somehow still being sympathetic with the target group of people. Of course, they've also properly offended some people, but they are the people I would regard as the "crazies"
 
@SergeyTelshevsky some things, we have the right to be offended about ... racism is one of those things, the word fuck doesn't seem to be in the same category, whatever the motive or form
 
I understand
 
> I don't want a giant penis
Or a rocket ship to Venus
I don't want to win the lottery
I just want to squat and gobble
'Til I'm dizzy and I wobble
In a butter, fruit and dough tart dream
 
again, that is a question of mentality, and the edited sentence above is true for any situation
 
That part fucking gets me lolling
 
3:29 PM
@SergeyTelshevsky Yes but it's all about context
Right, I vote we stop treading this extremely fine line and go back to a safe line of conversation
Kittens, anyone?
 
I got kittens
 
@JoeWatkins Oh yeh, how are they doing?
 
wait wait wait ...
 
DO U C WUT I DID THAR?
 
3:32 PM
Who here uses symfony?
 
@JoeWatkins Yea, how are your kittens doing? Are you keeping them all?
<sudden-tumbleweeds />
 
wtf we talking about?
 
^^ Joe's kittens.
 
Is CMYK to RGB always a little off?
 
@Fabien Has been in my experience, but you can correct it.
Photoshop?
 
3:42 PM
@DanLugg Fair enough. Wife is fapping around with converters
But yeah Photoshop
 
lol, "fapping around"
 
kittens be hard to picture
 
The saturation is always off, I've noticed; you'd need to resaturate at least.
 
3:54 PM
 
@AlmaDo lol, me debugging someone else's code
 
right
 
that's how I feel :-P
 
I so love the dog's reaction... l00lz. Looks like it was about to swallow the kitten near the end
 
that's normally what is happening when junour is arguing with teamlead
 
3:58 PM
lol
 
I hope topic is "gif challenge"
 
where's our gif police?
oh, right.. he's drunk
 
4:03 PM
A quick question .. I'm just starting to use Google APIs. Do I want to include the path 'centrally' via include_path in php.ini, or on a per-project basis via composer and require_once() directives?
 
I think I'll keep one at least ....
probably the black one or the ginger one ... the ginger one has got a problem with its back legs, bit twisted ...
I also like the white one ...
 
well, in my childhood we had many cats..
at least four or five at one time
 
the black one (pictured last) looks dope
 
guess what's that
 
@JoeWatkins then you like all of them
 
4:08 PM
yeah I don't think I'll let any of them go ...
 
last one ...
 
room topic changed to PHP: Discussion for all things PHP, and stuff. Especially kittens. Chat Guidelines : room-11.github.io [php]
 
4:28 PM
PHP: PHur Preprocessor
 
4:40 PM
@AlmaDo give it^^
 
@bwoebi solution?
 
@AlmaDo no, the hint
 
@bwoebi hint(small) is: all you need is to be able to build tangent line to a circle by one external point
 
@AlmaDo I already figured…
 
huh.. all those hours you were working on it? my respect that you're not giving up :D
 
4:43 PM
@AlmaDo no, I slept three of them
 
@bwoebi oh, ok. Well, solution is easy and hard at same time (at least, my solution)
 
But how to build a tangent to a circle through one point?
4 hours ago, by bwoebi
@AlmaDo only #19… for twenty I've just found the origin of the outer tangent
 
I can tell you
should I ?
 
All I know is how to calculate the equation of that tangent, but not how to construct it without approximating^^
yes… step-wise
 
0. I assume you have a circle and it's center is known. And you have known point outside the circle
1. Connect center and outer point
2. Find a middle of resulting segment
 
4:48 PM
okay
 
3. Create a circle with center in that middle and another point as center of given circle
4. It will intersect given circle in two points, both are tangent points (so for two tangent lines)
that's it
 
Euclid would be proud of you. You completed ALL levels !!!
:-)
Well, I wouldn't have found that on myself, I'm sure.
 
Yo
Yo @DaveRandom
Should I be using something like userCake to handle my user side to my website? Or should I write something myself?
 
^ thank you @AlmaDo !
 
4:53 PM
@bwoebi yeah.. like that
 
@bwoebi my solution was little different
 
@AlmaDo because the tangents have the same point of intersection on that line…
 
a shame that it was max difficulty :( I hoped there would be something to make me think for hours
but, really, I'm not so good in that
 
4:56 PM
@AlmaDo well, I'd like a few more too…
 
hehe-last task should be "build a perfect 7-polygon by given segment"
 
@AlmaDo feel free to PR some^^
 
@bwoebi :p
(if you don't know, it's impossible to create perfect 7-polygon with circles and lines)
 
@AlmaDo seven? well. you just need to find some triangle where you get 7 length…
 
@bwoebi no, I mean
 
4:58 PM
and find some way to rotate it?
 
You're building this diagram with PHP?
 
In mathematics, a constructible polygon is a regular polygon that can be constructed with compass and straightedge. For example, a regular pentagon is constructible with compass and straightedge while a regular heptagon is not. Conditions for constructibility Some regular polygons are easy to construct with compass and straightedge; others are not. This led to the question being posed: is it possible to construct all regular n-gons with compass and straightedge? If not, which n-gons are constructible and which are not? Carl Friedrich Gauss proved the constructibility of the regular 17-g...
A regular heptagon is not constructible with compass and straightedge
That I remember, but not completely..
if you want, read about heptagon more ..
For instance, 17-th polygon:
 
okay, an angle of 5/7 pi rad is hard… (maybe impossible?)
 
@bwoebi impossible with compass & straightedge
@DanLugg that uses marked ruler and compass
 
5:04 PM
@AlmaDo Um, don't think it does. That's an unmarked ruler.
 
oh, wait. it's approximation..
 
@DanLugg urgent.
 
not mathematically correct entity
 
Yes I just did that.
 
@RahulKhosla Wat?
 
5:06 PM
Said urgent.
 
dafuq is urgent?
 
Just the other day I said "it's urgent" and 50 people went crazzzyyyy
 
No, it's just that whenever someone says "it's urgent", it immediately becomes deprioritized by everyone.
Because saying "it's urgent" assumes that the problem that is "urgent" is somehow more important than other peoples urgency to post cat gifs, or scratch themselves.
6
 
Yeah, whats up with that... Why cats? Not dogs?
#thatsmessedup
Also to anyone who's used something similar; usercake.com. Should I be using this to manage members around my website?
 
kittens
 
5:11 PM
Now thats a plan.
Cats look like sloths with ears. rack.0.mshcdn.com/media/…
 
if in because other than when you don't want not to need thinking because
 
what?
 
i can't be in like to say when not be and to with do
 
that ok sense no
makes
@ndaglgu_
 
hi guys we are scraping data from craigslist and it is denying us although we are using proxy too. Any suggestion?
 
@Humanlove Don't violate website's TOS?
 
@Danack Hey! That's what I was gonna say.
 
@Danack i don't want to but client is just going nuts on it.
 
if your client wanted you to jump of a cliff ...
a well written scraper in the right kind of infrastructure is indistinguishable from real clients ...
not that I'm saying you should violate any tos or that ...
 
6:00 PM
I'm actually surprised a site like craigslist doesn't have a read-only API.
 
Given that they're in a constant battle against content scrapers, I'm pretty sure that they would consider an API to be worse.
 
Not really; if it's an official API you can rate limit
And if it is read-only you have much fewer security concerns.
Unless it is genuinely the fact that they don't want other people to have craigslist information at all.
 
@LeviMorrison They let mobile apps/site use it apparently, just not other websites. Mind you, the guy also turned down selling the site for a bazillion dollars, so they probably do have quite strong beliefs about principles.
 
 
1 hour later…
7:27 PM
Does anyone know how to stop PHPUnit from scanning directories that don't have tests in? I've already added:
<filter>
    <blacklist>
        <directory>./lib/</directory>
    </blacklist>
</filter>
But it's still scanning the lib folder before running any tests.
 
@Danack Have you tried adding suffix=".php" to the <directory> element?
 
@cspray I just tried that....and it seems to fix it. Any explanation of why that would work?
 
@Danack Unfortunately no. I vaguely remember having come across this issue before
But don't remember digging too much into it after it fixed the problem
 
It's amazing how it's become so dominant a piece of software when it's so crap internally...
 
7:51 PM
@Danack Yea, I had dug into the PHPUnit codebase in how it handles running tests in a separate process and there are certainly some warts
 
8:04 PM
@Fabien tacoception
 
8:16 PM
Code coverage is now at 2.56%. :-P
 
@Danack It's because it's like a billion years old
 
Nope.
Not that old, just written quite poorly which meant that writing tests for it was very difficult. It's refactored now to allow testing...which might take a day or two to do.
 
@Danack It's like 8 years old, in software terms that's Jurassic
 
Oh, you meant phpunit, thought you meant my code-coverage at <3%.
 
8:35 PM
@Danack It would a pretty big leap to derive code age from coverage report :-P
 
Dunno - there's probably a reasonable correlation for php projects.
 
8:57 PM
T MINUS 2 MINUTES UNTIL
s/water/beer/
 
9:11 PM
'evening
 
:This is not intended to be exhaustive. This list corrects erroneous beliefs that are currently widely held about notable topics. Each misconception and the corresponding facts have been discussed in published literature. Note that each entry is formatted as a correction; the misconceptions themselves are implied rather than stated. History Ancient to early modern history * Vomiting was not a regular part of Roman dining customs. In ancient Rome, the architectural feature called a vomitorium was the entranceway through which crowds entered and exited a stadium, not a special room us...
 
Still deciding if I should use userCake.
To handle my users.
 
9:27 PM
@RahulKhosla writing user system is the easiest part of your project and will be good for learning working with SESSIONS and COOKIES, as well as database structure
 
@NikolaR. Thats true, where should I be starting, i've never used $_SESSIONS.
 
@RahulKhosla PHP.NET, as always: php.net/manual/en/book.session.php
 
@PeeHaa xkcd random button?
 
Hi, I need to send a digest emails to my users.. I have all the data prepared, but I do not know (and can not find a good example) how to use Mandrill... How to add new user to list of recipients on mandrill?! How to dynamically create an list of news ?!
I am also mixed up, can I use Mandrill on its own, or I should use Mail chimp as well ?!
and I will be using it from "plain" php, no framework, as it would be a cron job..
any link, suggestion, will help
 
9:41 PM
@IvanBajalovic When you say you can't find any good examples, have you tried using google?
 
@Danack what is google? :P of course, but all the results are from Mandrill and not very informative..
 
They appear to show how to use it...
 
I know how to set dynamic template, but as I am sending a json data via API, how to make loop for a content
mandrillapp.com/api/docs/users.php.html how to add a new recipient to the list of users?
@Danack or there are no list of receipents, I can send to any email I want ?
 
"php mandrill add recipient" - what does the top result contain
 
i want to say.. well firstly hi..
 
9:49 PM
Hello guys, could any help a bit in giving me some directions ? I know electronics, computer networks and C but i know nothing about how big complex web sites work. For example, i read that a complex big web site ( like facebook, yahoo, etc ) has 3 major components like performance, scalability, maintainability ... i also read that python and django are not really good ...
Does anyone recommend any resource(video,book,site,article,whatever) so i can get introduced and see the big picture of web development ?
 
secondly.. how does angularjs solve the cors problem when loading partial views?
 
i don't even know what keywords to search for to get introduced to the big picture of web development
 
@Danack so I can send to any email address I want an email? Some services I used practiced to register a sender, so they hold data about the user, and then I just say deliver to these users..
 
I HAVE NO IDEA.
I don't use mandrill. But there are blatantly going to be examples out there for it.
 
@nerdy What do you want to know about? How to design web architecture or how to write a website?
 
9:51 PM
@nerdy well if you want to jump into web development... you could start dwlding a lamp/wamp sever, modify the httpd.conf and start coding with php ... the manual is the bible .. plus there are people here and #google
 
Guys, what does the $$ mean in this question? stackoverflow.com/questions/24461224/php-error-unexpected
 
Hey @Farkie is here!
 
Heya pal
 
I'm pretty sure that means "I wrote a syntax error into my code"
 
isn't there supposed to be a string after $$ .. like $$variable
 
9:53 PM
well I know about variable variables.. but ... wat
 
Does it parse? Too lazy to check. Can't imagine it would.
In fact no, it won't
 
looks like the guy wanted &&
 
it won't for a missing string
 
and confused the characters.
 
Hello DaveRandom, thanks for the response. I know HTML and CSS already and I'm not yet interested in learning a specific language like php or learning databases yet. I'm only interested in seeing a big-picture of web development ( if it exists.. ) which would show me what generic major tasks should we conclude to build a complex site ( like facebook, yahoo, etc ) , and what it would mean to scalate, mantain or increase its performance
 
9:53 PM
missing '
 
It's just that by my personality i can't delve to learn a complex subject withouth first having a gglance or a rough big-picture of it
i get too lost and unmotivated
 
@nerdy There isn't a big picture. There's lots of small bits of stuff held together with string and glue.
 
Still at DocNet @DaveRandom?
 
for example, i heard about frameworks
 
@nerdy Then you should focus on a project that you want to do, and learning the bits of technology that are required to make it happen.
 
9:55 PM
@Farkie Either that or I'm hacking their website and posting articles I wrote on it... :-P
yesterday, by DaveRandom
http://www.docnet.nu/tech-portal/2014/06/26/ssl-and-php-streams-part-1-you-are-d‌​oing-it-wrongtm/C0
 
haha
 
like rals, struts
i don't know what they are for, for instance .. so i get lost
 
I get that problem a lot, but I can't use those params :(
It's using Phing
 
@nerdy The thing is, the really big sites (like FB and Y!) have problems you will likely never have. They are literally making shit up as they go along, because no-one has had the problems they have ever before
Think in terms of how you will apply this in practice
 
hmm could it be fair to say that any social network ( even like stumbleupon ) would have the same problems as FB and Y! has ?
 
9:57 PM
Hmm, Do I go to the shop and get cider... or do I be good because I have a conf in the morning
 
DaveRandom but i see what you mean, they are creating solution to their own problems
 
@Farkie meaning stream ctx? Why does phing affect that?
 
@nerdy my suggestion is to start with php, when you understand the concept, then start easily with frameworks (which are actually just libraries that save you time writing your own code) and with different design principles.

About problems like scalability, big data, you should never think upfront..
 
more the curling to a https
 
@Farkie cider! cider! cider!
Also, what which conf? I'm English, dontcherknow
 
9:58 PM
Jenny's... WordCampMcr
 
Not even heard about it
 
I see, is it possible not to use frameworks to build a site like a social network ? Or it would be completely impossible ( or at least take too much time or require too big of a team ) not to use some framework
?
 
I really should pull my head out of my arse occasionally
 
hah
booked on ours yet?
 

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