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9:02 PM
@hamza I like to think it's people being stupid at the stuff we are smart about... that way I can assume some value in other people... with the assumption that there is stuff they are smart about that I am stupid about.
 
blah blah blah
 
@Orangepill heh, I'm just wondering as I think I'm not that smart. I think that some people really lack common sense.
@Orangepill I'll give you an example. I work at a DIY shop, there was a client asking for help, the client needed some coax cable, so I advised which one is it, and what you need. The client then asked me "How much do I need ?"
I though lolwut? Is this serious ?
I mean even if you're not that technical you would at least know that the question is invalid since I don't know the setup of the house
Now tell me it's not stupid ?
 
@Hamza yeah... that's just stupid...
 
I've got a lot of examples
 
9:08 PM
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A: Rounding down numbers to set points with PHP

webarto<?php function roundRating($rating, array $ratings) { foreach($ratings as $key => &$value) if ($value > $rating) return $ratings[($key - 1)]; return FALSE; } $ratings = [0.5, 1.0, 1.5, 2.0, 2.5, 3.0, 3.5, 4.0, 4.5, 5.0]; $rating = 4.6; if ($rate = roundRating($rating, $ratings)) ...

 
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no chance they will make it.
 
@MadaraUchiha shower me with +1's.
 
@HamZa anytime you work with the public I think evidence of stupidity is not is short supply
 
@webarto wha?
 
@Orangepill Another one: I need some paint for the walls. I give them some advice which one is good and which one is bad. And then I ask "how much square meters do you need". They think "well it's 4 x 3m" so 12 square meters.
And then I ask them "that's the surface of the ground, not the walls ?"
"Oh yeah ? it's not the same?"
(facepalm)
 
9:10 PM
@MadaraUchiha Bad joke, m'kay.
 
heh 2000 profile views :)
@I'll-Be-Back 32m When I saw it, I though isn't that too much ?
 
@I'll-Be-Back Hint: Even if I put 20,000,000 right now, there's still a very good chance they won't make it.
 
9:25 PM
Not sure why Canonical does this because they actually make money.
 
One guy from Arab can do this easily lol
but the phone look a bit ugly.
Look like Sony Ericsson old model
 
Please... Mark Shuttleworth ... Net worth $500 million
 
$500 million!
 
Pardon my math, but that's like 5% of his fortune.
 
He is greedy then
 
9:29 PM
yeah - and he doesn't think that funding it himself is a good business opportunity, so is asking other people to fund it.
 
There has to be reason.
Hmmm
Maybe is because he don't own Ubuntu
He is just a leadership for the Ubuntu
 
He owns Canonical which owns Ubuntu.
 
They don't charge for the OS itself, tho.
 
I know
I hates Ubuntu interface
 
9:33 PM
$32,000,000 is a lot for any kind of kickstarter/indiegogo campaign. The fact they've hit ~12,000,000 is impressive.
 
Ubuntu phone looks good
 
What operating system do you guys use?
 
For?
 
windows7, macos :(, centos and debian mostly
 
@LeviMorrison I'm probably wrong, but they would re-use most of the other phones components, except if they can't because of patents and stuff.
 
9:34 PM
Win 7 & Ubuntu mostly
 
Dual boot?
 
One does not simply dual boot
 
Ubuntu for web servers
 
@I'll-Be-Back I use Mac, Debian and RHEL.
 
Win7 desktop
CentOS6 personal server
RHEL work servers
Android on the phone
 
9:35 PM
@PeeHaa Are you running all this from a single PC/Laptop?
 
Win8 on the notebook
 
or is it like VM's
 
@I'll-Be-Back No. All separate machines
 
Win8 aka tablet os
 
@Fabien very much so.
 
9:36 PM
Thats quite a lot
 
@I'll-Be-Back I would be more than happy when I can drop macos from that list
 
I use Windows 8 as a desktop, I also have a server running ESXi
 
My buddy would have done something amazing with solely $10.000, so where the f* $32m fits in.
 
Crystal screen...
Sapphire crystal
 
Too bad I don't want to use Ubuntu as a desktop.
 
I am considering moving from Windows 8 to Ubuntu or Fedora but I use photoshop and other video encoding softwares.
You wont find same quality software on linux
 
@I'll-Be-Back GIMP :3
 
Why move?
 
I don't like GIMP
 
9:40 PM
I don't like photoshop's price tag
 
Subscription based now.
 
@I'll-Be-Back There is "wine" for linux to run some windows programs :P
Basically linux rocks
 
Nice hack, but it does not work with PHP versions earlier than 5.4... — Mr. Polywhirl 5 mins ago
 
Indiegogo: PHP. Not a very successful category
2
 
Oh, humanity...
 
9:41 PM
@Fabien so they screw you slower over a longer period of time...
 
@oranggepill, heh, yup.
 
lol
 
@Orangepill most of people (like me) suck at photoshop. You do not need latest Adobe Suite to make a damned button.
 
9:43 PM
If Slovenia is in crisis I'm f* dead already.
 
@PeeHaa amagad I missed this amazing opportunity "My son will draw special drawing just for you."
 
@tereško hahahha
 
1000 Eur and you can hire him for a week
 
@I'll-Be-Back what tereško said
 
> Hello, this is Apu, I am PHP divelopehr. I have created this campaign so that I could create another uber crappy PHP framework for everyone out there which makes it easy for them to create PHP websites easily using MVC design pattern, fully object-oriented and which is easy to use like Cake.
 
9:45 PM
lol
 
You can hire me for half that price and I don't live in slovenia
 
Ok I may have change it a bit
 
For a web developer (who is not a professional designer) Gimp is just right.
 
yup
 
9:46 PM
@tereško I am a developer, but gimp confuses me and it's too fugly to use
 
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Q: Rounding down numbers to set points with PHP

user2574794I have a basic 5 star rating system based on user submissions. depending on the rating, a particular image is shown. $user_rating contains the rating number to one decimal place. There are 'star' images with 0.5, 1.0, 1.5, 2.0, 2.5, 3.0, 3.5, 4.0, 4.5, 5.0 in the file names. I need wha...

That's it, f* this shit :)
 
@teresko I agree...
 
@PeeHaa so what do you use ? Paint ?
 
@PeeHaa are you good at photoshop ?
 
@PeeHaa +1
 
9:46 PM
Just because you are web developer - it doesnt mean you not good with graphic as well.
 
@tereško Pick me, pick me, pick me.
 
I have tried both and I prefer photoshop
 
@I'll-Be-Back You can't be extremely good at the 2
 
@tereško No not at all. But I know where to find the buttons I need to click when I need to crop something :P
 
If you slice, you usually receive a psd. I know my way around photoshop well but I can't design.
 
9:47 PM
@PeeHaa You just started with PhotoShop so no wonder you would be confused when you start using gimp
 
@Hamza thats true but I feel more skilled and easy to use on photoshop then gimp.
 
@HamZa I have photoshop of which I use 0.00001% of its potential
 
than
 
If I need something actually done in it I delegate :P
 
Heh
 
9:48 PM
@Fabien actually slicing in photoshop is damned annoying. I usually end up creating a bunch of PNG images, that show off different elements of design, and then using Gimp to actually slice.
 
@I'll-Be-Back Fun fact: GIMP had "content-aware fill" way before PhotoShop had
 
> High powered e-commerce software that is reliable, loaded with features, easy to use, and cost efficient!
WTF is high powered software???
You cannot use it on a standard power outlet?
 
@Fabien Gimp can also read some PSD files :)
 
user652649
in many ways better than photoshop
 
9:49 PM
That still exists?
 
@PeeHaa , you should see a specialist about that masochistic streak of yours .. or maybe a leather-clad mistress
 
Plus photoshop doesn't run on linux :)
 
@PeeHaa It leaves the muzzle at super-sonic velocity?
 
Time travel to 1999.
 
@teresko, heh. I don't imagine you slice much as it is. Per hour that's probably some expensive slicing.
 
9:50 PM
Which why people are looking for 'gun' developers.
 
@tereško yeah I am known to have "some" issues
 
@Wes Ah I remember using Paint Shop Pro 7 back in the days :P
 
Photoshop CS2 is free, m'kay.
 
corel draw FTW!
 
user652649
@HamZa i still use it. seriously
 
9:51 PM
@Fabien lets put it this way. I am better at CSS/HTML, then I am at PHP.
 
user652649
jasc psp 7.04 anniversary edition
 
@Wes hehe
 
Due to it being significantly less to learn?
 
@teresko 80% of what people use photoshop for in web design can be accomplished with css.
 
@Wes I remember seeing that jasc in images at me previous job. Hated those stupid things that often just won't convert
 
9:52 PM
95% of that 80% is bullshit :)
 
@Orangepill CSS3 that is
 
@Fabien due to extensive practice
 
Martins "The Slicer" Tereško
 
:p
 
user652649
@PeeHaa wut?
 
9:53 PM
@Hamza that's the only css worth talking about... if your browser doesn't support css3 get bent.
 
You guys should just try paint.net lol
 
Just convince the client he doesn't need ie7 support
 
@HamZa i have ... it kept on crashing with large files
 
now convince the client they dont need IE support -at all-.
/lays down gauntlet.
 
@tereško well it was fun trying it. But IMO it's just an advanced windows paint
 
9:54 PM
> "It raises the quality bar," - Jeff Atewood, Coding Horror
 
My only client is a browser.
Let's ask Jeff how that wood tasted.
 
@PeeHaa You know, he didn't try very hard on his indiegogo post at all. Fuzzy, unidentifiable logo with no perks and poor explanations. I wonder if he actually wanted funding.
 
Can't say I do much HTML/CSS for tablets/mobiles though.
 
Hah, look what I've found @hakre.
Should I make one for that Mitja fellow?
 
Oh great! I didn't know where I lost that one, I searched it everywhere?
 
9:57 PM
i'm gonna go and make something edible
 
Any of you uncertified and unqualified for development?
 
@LeviMorrison Who is ever going to pay for the next crappy framework even with a crisp logo and flashy campaign
 
@Fabien 100% not certified here.
 
@Fabien I am unqualified for my any job
 
I have no job
Beat that!
 
9:57 PM
@PeeHaa he wants to make "something like Cake" ... that would be the first mistake
 
Nice edit @peehaa. Ol
 
@Fabien I'm unofficially w3schools certified :)
 
No Cake is great! :D
 
@PeeHaa Perhaps one day I can get trained enough to do an engine rewrite for PHP and raise some $$$ for development/QA.
 
I don't have any certified of development
 
9:58 PM
@LeviMorrison Why don't you just enjoy life? :)
 
but have good resume of web developments work.
 
@tereško It's not really in there, but looking at it's name it's something that is going to send smses in a certain region of the world
 
@I'll-Be-Back Certificate looks nicer on wall :P
 
Like PHP Certificate ?
 
@LeviMorrison Hell I am throwing money at my screen as we speak!
 
9:59 PM
@Webarto I can make a prettier one in gimp though :)
 
@webarto I love coding, especially dealing with performance optimizations. I'd love to make a better PHP engine with JIT. We don't need a new engine for JIT, but I figured it's time we do an engine rewrite. The real PHP 6 or maybe 7.
 
Wonder if I could pass the English certificate on freelancer.
 
Any of you done PHP Certification on w3schools
 
pppfffff
 
10:00 PM
@I'll-Be-Back Took the practice exams.
kind of a joke TBO / sarcasm
 
@I'll-Be-Back I took the Quiz and found at least 3 problems with the Quiz. I'd say that's better than being certified.
@Pheagey There's no "kind of" about it. It is a joke.
 
And it's not even a funny joke
 
@I'll-Be-Back J/K, it doesn't mean much, that certificate.
 
@PeeHaa I'd try to recruit @NikiC to help with it if I ever really do attempt something.
 
10:01 PM
zend certificate would be better but if you looking for job - they don't care if you have certificate. They are more interested have PHP development for companies or freelance.
 
Portfolio
 
@LeviMorrison It is brave
@HamZa lol
 
scrutinizer-ci is wowesome! scrutinizer-ci.com/g/Ocramius/ProxyManager - didn't notice they added so many goodies =D
 
Get involved with some open source.
 
10:03 PM
@LeviMorrison I wish you best, but that sounds impossible to me because we can even have nice documentation and it's coded in PHP :) I imagine it would be possible with C/PHP folks.
 
whats the command to print out type of var?
something dump?
 
Tell prospective employers your SO rep
Tell the ladies too...
 
@bushdiver ask @Danack. His dumps are awesome (so I have been told)
 
@PeeHaa Added to Favorites.
 
10:04 PM
flex
 
lol
 
i found it
 
@PeeHaa wtf lol
 
@PeeHaa I heard it from @rdlowrey, a credible source.
 
@bushdiver
 
10:05 PM
:D
 
@Ocramius That looks fucking shiny. What does it do? :P
 
LOL! ..at my expense
 
@PeeHaa epic. I like the skype sounds in the bg.
 
@PeeHaa scrutinizer? It's like a free sonar instance run by johannes schmidt
 
10:07 PM
or gettype()
 
@hakre Don't forget about the cars / goats in the background!
 
@PeeHaa but the rythm intervention of the skype sounds in that orchestration of background sounds is just amazing and perfectly well done.
 
:P
 
echo '<pre>', ob_start(), var_dump(var_export($dumpSubject, $return = TRUE), print_r($dumpSubject, $return), $dumpSubject), htmlspecialchars(ob_get_clean());
 
^ excellent
 
10:09 PM
now I need to get htmlspecialchars in there.
phew, there was already the 10 seconds edit warning...
 
:D
 
this gives me the professional PHP debugger certification.
 
@PeeHaa i was talking about the framework project
 
lol
 
What does it mean when there is an & in front of the array in a vardump
like
 
10:11 PM
@billmalarky reference
 
&array(3) {
 
@hakre Na man, if you're going for horrible you have to use htmlentities.
 
@Ocramius tnx for the wowsomeness
 
Anyone know what the php job market is like is South Carolina?
 
@Charles but only after running it through htmlspecialchars and nl2br :)
 
10:14 PM
@hakre Now we're talking!
 
@Orangepill Probably good somewhere in the state.
 
hi all :D
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Q: ErrorDocument outside of DocumentRoot without Alias

Dave ChenCurrently my httpd.conf contains: Alias /403.html /var/www/errors/403.html ErrorDocument 403 /403.html My document root is located at /var/www/html/*. When I trigger a forbidden, the error page located within the folder is shown, as expected. However, when I visit the website at localhost/40...

 
@Ocramius I will stuck Wordpress in there and let's see what happens.
 
What is your favourite git tutorial? gitimmersion.com/lab_03.html seem nice
 
@hakre BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
10:16 PM
will it explode?
 
well, it CAN crash
 
let's push it to the max
 
it crashed on some weird DIC tests of ZF2 last time I tried
 
that's because the software that guy uses is not well tested.
:)
 
rofl
it really was an ugly one
phpmd crashed because it found a cyclic dependency in the constructor of two classes <_<
class A { public function __construct(B $b) {}}
class B { public function __construct(A $a) {}}
something like zis
 
10:19 PM
yes, for my regex macro expander I had a similar problem and wrote an algorithm that resolved such issues.
cycle detection
 
> The command "scrutinizer run" failed.
boooooooo
 
@sємsєм how are things going on there ?
 
I have to submit a code sample in an interview, I would ask, does it important to make variables names started in lowercase chars to seems like professionals?
@HamZa fine 4
 
@sємsєм I always use bReEzEr case for interview code reviews
 
user652649
@PeeHaa what's that? it's related to gentlemen's private area?
 
10:23 PM
@PeeHaa do you mean it does not matter?
 
@sємsєм github.com/php-fig/fig-standards/blob/master/accepted/… (corrected to the variable page)
 
@sємsєм yes it does matter
 
Thank you very much @Pheagey
 
@PeeHaa DoEs NoT!
 
@Ocramius How would anything be able to create an A/B from that code?
 
10:24 PM
You mean. iT dOeS nOt!
ty :D
 
Thank you all :D
bye...
 
hmm, as PHP is a scripting language, doesn't defining a class means there is a side-effect?
 
@Danack it can't
@Danack it's test code to trick the DIC
(which should detect the cyclic dependency)
 
ah yeah - or just crash because there's probably nothing else sensible to do.
 
Hey guys :)
 
10:27 PM
I think I need a new laptop .... but I am not laptop guy :/
I always use a desktop
desktop PC
I am going to find it hard to get used to it..
 
@i'll-be-back The keyboard is going to be the hardest to get used too.... I'm a total keyboard snob.
 
on the laptop you mean?
right now I am getting tired sitting
 
yes, it exploded :D
 
on the leather chair and use the desktop pc
 
> Running analysis tools.
> Unfortunately, an internal server error occurred. Please contact support@scrutinizer-ci.com.
 
10:32 PM
hehehe
 
I have used laptop before when I borrow from my brother... a laptop sit on my laptop and its warm
errr
a laptop sit on my lap and its warm
a bit unconfortable though
 
@hakre uh, what?
 
@hakre LMAO
well done :D
 
I now will try to run on my own PC
let's see what happens
@LeviMorrison PSR-0 standard says only side-effects in a file but not function definitions
 
@I'll-Be-Back there are other concerns when working like that...
 
10:38 PM
"Past research shows that higher scrotal temperatures can damage sperm and affect fertility."
 
I guess you can consider function and class definitions to be 'side effects', though that is usually referring to unintended effects.
 
Good job I hardly use the laptop LOL
 
so you guys put the laptop on the desk.
 
I hook my laptop up to 2 30" displays at 2560x1600 resolution each. And then when I travel I just use the laptop screen.
 
10:41 PM
Evening ladies and gents
 
@levimorrison I envy you....
 
@NikiC Thanks :-)
 
@DaveRandom evening
 
@LeviMorrison Thats cool I may consider that option
I might give up desktop PC
I am kinda stick of it now
@LeviMorrison Do you also hook keyboard and mouse? so you leave the laptop on the side.
 
@I'll-Be-Back Yeah, keyboard and mouse are hooked up to the monitors.
 
10:43 PM
@DaveRandom jo ~!
 
hooked up to the monitors? not to laptop
 
Has anyone ever built a Rubens tube and have any advice on the subject? I have been asked to build one for next weekend and I'm kind apprehensive about working with flammable gas, coupled with my clumsiness and general ability to make poor design decisions it smells like a recipe for disaster.
 
@DaveRandom Please post video....
 
@DaveRandom This guy looks like he knows what he is talking about youtube.com/watch?v=HpovwbPGEoo :p
 
@Orangepill I will do assuming it ever happens
@PeeHaa I've seen that a few times, I always look at that guy and wonder how he didn't blow himself up as I suspect I will
 
10:47 PM
@DaveRandom should be entertaining regardless of success :)
 
Looks pretty kewl btw
 
In theory the most difficult part is actually the sound system (it needs two amps off one line), I suspect I may be over thinking the rest of it
 
oooooh
I want one behind my pc
 
@DaveRandom This might be of use if you haven't seen it already
 
@I'll-Be-Back Correct.
 
10:52 PM
NGINX ><
 
@Orangepill The rubber glove idea is a good one, but it's the exact mechanics of constructing a safe inlet value that I'm not sure about. I have a mate who works in a medical gas lab, I'm going to try and rope him in on it tomorrow
 
@DaveRandom If you haven't done it before, I'd recommend building it outside, or at least in a garage where you can keep the door open. Gas outside == fun and unlikely to be too dangerous. Gas inside => buildup => explosiveness != fun.
 
Yeh I figured that much :-P
 
And make sure your gas supply has a cut-off on the bottle a long way from where you setting light to the gas, so that you can cut it off easily without having to reach past flames. ;)
@HamZa Still having fun with Nginx?
 
@Danack I'm seriously done with it. I wasted too much time
 
11:02 PM
Yeh the bottle from my bbq has an 8ft hose as of about 8pm
Going to the scrappy to try and find a suitable length of pipe tomorrow after work
 
@HamZa Would you like a copy of my nginx confs? A lot of the existing confs out there do suck quite a bit.
 
@tereško are you done with setting up your VM ?
 
Also I might have my own setup on centos written down somewhere @HamZa
 
@Danack well would be great, maybe I could get it fixed
 
Ok will ping you later.
 
11:04 PM
@PeeHaa would also be great since I've got centos on my vm
@Danack ok, thanks in advance
 
@HamZa What's you mail? (it's rather long)
 
@PeeHaa you can find it on my SO profile
 
Check your mail. I hope I have removed all passwords from it :P
It's basically an entire webstack including mail and security stuff, but you can filter the things you actually need :)
 
@PeeHaa Thanks, I'll wait for the mail ...
@PeeHaa you did send it to the right email lol ?
 
@HamZa I think so. Let me check
dz
cyberdev
 
11:13 PM
@PeeHaa yup
 
check your spam?
 
night folks, gotta fall into the bed
 
@PeeHaa gmail putting your mail in spam. How offensive is that ><
 
goto bed;
 
later @hakre
 
11:14 PM
@hakre gnight
 
bed: fall_asleep();
:D
 
@HamZa It looks kinda spammy with that crappy plain text and all those links in it :P
 
I see...
It seems interesting, I will nuke my centos and start from 0
 
That's the beauty of VMs, nuking from orbit really easily.
 
yup
 
11:16 PM
@HamZa I'm not 100% which version of centos I wrote that for, but most should still work
 
ok
 
11:30 PM
Good noight all!
 
good nightu
 
@HamZa naah .. been distracted
 
I see :p
 
also I have not decided what to do with my DTrace bug
(compiling ruby crashes it, for some reason)
 
11:46 PM
toys.usvsth3m.com/binary You can't do binary under pressure.
5
 
@Danack nice level 11 ...
gotta sleep now Cyaa
 
nn
 
internet success depresses me.
 
@Danack once failed lever 2, but it wasn't so hard^^
 

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