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to be true, I always take less work and am precise on what things I make, cannot build them optimum but I try to make it perfect from my side, it's like, the better you make, the more goodwill you earn, quality matters, not the quantity
 
@Mr.Alien I know a lot of firms for who quantity matters more than quality.
 
@Mr.Alien Yeh, but I bet you're not the cheapest option in India (if you are you should charge more)
 
They pick up one time clients, provide them a copy-paste template and get it done in a day or two.
 
12:01 PM
Do it for the whole month and you end up with a decent revenue.
 
The problem is that the decision to outsource code is taken by management people who want to keep the costs as low as possible, they'll hand the deal out to the lowest bidder
 
Actually, yea; the bidding process for outsource in corporate environments is laughable; it is at mine at least.
 
The fact that E-lance is doing nothing to curb bidding wars makes things worse.
 
They literally pool the bids and go with the highest regardless of who they are.
Like, blindly.
 
We've outsourced a few times using odesk .. wasn't too bad, but some of the design guys really have attitude problems lol
 
12:02 PM
But like the other article pointed out, that is not a sustainable model. It won't be long before those same management types figure out it's costing them more to clean up the mess than it would to just spend the money in the first place
 
@DaveRandom As I said, I charge more compared to others here, It's often that I miss many orders just because our country is cost sensitive, they will fly away to others if they give them a cheap opinion, am planning to put up my own personal company website online by december end.. so I am just studying the market these days..
 
Unfortunately by the time that happens, "Indian code" will have a stigma attached to it that will be hard to get rid of
 
Agreed
Also, don't pay $15/hr and expect work worth $80/hr
 
Exactly ^^^
 
There's no concept of unit testing, security or NFT when you are paying peanuts.
 
12:05 PM
the issue is, I am building a CMS, and am sure 70% of indians won't buy that as they choose free services, the mentality of the people here is weird, they want there things get done.. regardless of quality
 
@Mr.Alien I second that. I recently made something where I was not paid for testing it out.
 
emm ... what have I missed?
 
The client only cares about dev cost, not testing cost
At least Indian clients.
 
@AshwinMukhija No single client cares about testing :)
 
It sounds like you two have spent some time on lamenting your countrymen ..
 
In fact, you should only test if you write bugs :)
 
@PeeHaa Write more bugs
:-P
 
@PeeHaa The problem is that the client would still want everything to be working fine.
Doesn't matter if you hardcode every scenario
 
> We’ve been taught that examples are the best way to learn something.
 
We are taught that
 
12:08 PM
It's definitely a way.
 
In top tier colleges in India
 
tht was true when you had to write code at school with pen and paper
 
@tereško I've been asked to write the complete C implementation of scheduling algorithms on my answer sheet in an OS exam.
 
@AshwinMukhija I am putting much efforts this time, it's super interface, really easy to use, just booleans to control site functionality.. I am planning to offer as low as 8K INR.. am sure hardly locals will subscribe for the services
 
12:10 PM
And I graduated from one of the best engineering colleges in India
 
@Jack We all write bugs, don't we? :)
 
@Leri Writing bugs is a waste of time, don't do it!
 
We all suck..
 
> And the code snippets, often provided by experts work and work well.
Hmm, experts, yes.
 
@Mr.Alien Hey, they want standard 5 page website.
 
12:10 PM
@Mr.Alien Make sure you put an option in for "work properly" :-P
 
Yes. Experts.
 
@AshwinMukhija lol .. that would be just another example of "missing the point" .. only this time someone when went all the way in the other ditch
 
Charge extra for that module, as well
 
@AshwinMukhija rofl, ya typical indians, and moreover they steal images from google
 
@tereško I was replying to your pen and paper comment.
 
12:11 PM
i know
 
What was the point though?
 
@DaveRandom haha, well there are modules like task manager, internal messaging, bulk mails, and am planning to add more like shopping cart/ecommerce, stock mgmt, payrolls etc, but am first looking to complete the base, rest depends upon response, where I expert 30% sales in local..
btw I just managed to break a famous indian website using firebug.. sucked at validation
 
@Mr.Alien Do you have any time left to refactor? ;-)
 
Real men don't refactor.
 
I'm still using a hack to get particular seats in the cinema I go to =D
Turns out you can switch off the seat validation from the frontend.
 
12:14 PM
@AshwinMukhija Real men don't do anything except refactor
 
@DaveRandom :D
 
Refactoring saved my marriage ... and yielded another baby, hmm.
 
@Jack Shame the same isn't true of pricing
 
@DaveRandom I haven't tried that yet, but I figured that would be more obvious to find out.
 
@Jack building since 5 months, am going slow to make sure I can make it perfect as much as I can :) but am alone, as well as I work in a company + freelance projects, too much at same tym
 
12:17 PM
$.unIndianify();
 
wtf, I am serially upvoted
 
Someone did that to me a while ago, it'll get reverted
 
voo it stopped :D
 
I don't see it
Seems pretty benign to me
Just enjoy your free reps
:P
 
I would love some serial upvoting.
 
12:19 PM
LOL I got that ... this guy is over happy with me.. @BoltClock would request you to delete the comment on the clear one :)
 
But then I remind myself, this is a forum.
 
@AshwinMukhija dulcet.co :-S
 
@Mr.Alien ok... I take that back
 
@BoltClock thank you :)
 
@DaveRandom The site has not been touched in years now
Literally, years.
I should update my profile.
 
12:21 PM
@AshwinMukhija Do you have another site you could point your profile at? Links to dead domains tend to make me suspicious of people if I am evaluating their authority
 
Thank you guys for reminding me that my site hasn't made progress all year
 
webinstitute.in is mine
 
@BoltClock Because it's already perfect?
 
I own 2, quratek.com and decodingweb.com, both has just nothing :p
 
12:23 PM
Also making learn.webinstitute.co
 
@AshwinMukhija good article. Unfortunately I suspect that it will have no impact.
 
@tereško Most likely, no. But on the off chance that it does, I'd be happy.
 
@Jack what
 
also. you might consider putting down your designer, for the betterment of human race
 
@tereško I'm strangling him as we speak.
We are switching to bootstrap
 
12:26 PM
@Jack I like the theme of his website, else only thing am reading since a long tym is am daniel tan and I will be putting something soon out here..
 
heh
 
@AshwinMukhija how come your English is so good? You used a couple of words that I had to Google, and I'm English and not an idiot (at least, I think)
 
Makes me wonder if I should just go by my real name on SO
But being a mod I think it would be unwise to change my display name even if I wanted to
 
Oh, I write poems in my free time.
 
@AshwinMukhija you mean you are making a quick prototype in bootstrap. Noone in his right mind would suggest using bootstrap as "design solution"
 
12:27 PM
and that serial upvotes awarded me 2 fresh badges.. aaa great
 
@BoltClock Okay, I see what you mean now ... I had not seen the site before ;-)
 
@BoltClock did you designed that?
 
@Mr.Alien Yes
 
@tereško Step 1 : Buy a bootstrap theme. Step 2 : Port it. Step 3 : ??? Step 4 : Profit
 
something like that , yeah =/
 
12:29 PM
It's not a design solution, I know. But it's something that can be easily ported into what we want.
 
@BoltClock So you are even good at UI
 
maybe I should change my nickname
 
Given that our primary goal is to generate content on WI.
 
never used bootstrap, I feel thats heavy
 
@Mr.Alien Getting there
 
12:31 PM
@BoltClock great :)
 
Bootstrap isn't exactly heavy, if you make something from it, rather than using a fully made theme. Yes, I'm a hypocrite.
 
@tereško Unfortunately your real name is already taken
 
Basically, I have 3 projects going simultaneously, while generating content and taking classes.
 
@DaveRandom actually my gaming nickname is Azazul (or some other variations of vowels .. Hebrew names a nice in that respect)
 
@AshwinMukhija I like minimal designs, the project I am on currently has just 2 images, that's it, that too cuz am using custom scroll bars, so the arrows and other small images are kept as sprites, rest font awesome rocks
 
12:32 PM
@tereško Why do I get the feeling that you play WoW?
 
btw font awesome just changed the classes from icon- to fo- .. will find some hard tym while upgrading
 
| Azazel is a comic book character appearing in books published by Marvel Comics, in particular those featuring the X-Men. A mutant with the power of teleportation.
Any relation despite the u?
 
@Fabien there is lot of baggage for that name =P
 
Chrome is crashing more frequently recently :[
 
and in not relation to comic character
 
12:38 PM
Dear Microsoft Office, I Hate You. If you would kindly go and fuck yourself, I would be ever so grateful. Best Regards, DaveRandom
@MackieeE Stop watching porn at work
 
My Microsoft Office keeps telling me that my product key is not valid. I'm not sure if it's got something to do with the torrent.
 
@DaveRandom I'll try my best.
 
@AshwinMukhija lol
 
Chrome is fine for that purpose; just make sure to Ctrl-Shift-N first :)
 
@DaveRandom What? No porn in office?
 
12:40 PM
@DaveRandom rofl for porn @AshwinMukhija I bet it's 2013, I am lazy to use the kms
 
@AshwinMukhija why would you use it instead of OpenOffice or Libre ?
 
Eh.
That program the other night in Channel 4 made me cringe anyway, "Date My Porn Star"
 
@tereško OpenOffice documents get fucked if opened in Word. Can't ask my clients to get OO just because I have it.
 
I can't remember who told me this story, but someone once told me they went on a business trip to Italy, they were having a meeting in a boardroom somewhere, and there were two guys in the building across the street watching porn on a projector in their office boardroom
 
@AshwinMukhija meh .. I send PDFs to people
 
12:42 PM
@tereško Not when they have to review and modify.
 
.. also, in Latvia we have a large percentage of people who use opensource word processing tools
 
@DaveRandom Those Italians eh! Almost as bad as those chattin on SO during work, tut!
=) I'm so Guilty.. t_t
 
@DaveRandom We used to do that at my old office.
 
Midgets?
 
Wasn't uncommon for the CTO to boot up porn as part of the intro for the new employees.
 
12:45 PM
@tereško In Soviet Russia, words process you
 
off to home, see you guys in a while
 
@DaveRandom In Soviet Russia, code compiles you.
 
@Fabien I presume this was an office with no female staff?
 
nah there were some on the support team. As well as the COO.
 
@Fabien Where is this office and how the hell do I apply for it?
 
12:46 PM
tbh I'd probably walk out of that intro
 
@AshwinMukhija It's not worth it :)
 
@Fabien Aww man.
 
@DaveRandom We lost a potential good employee because he did it during an interview once.
Granted you had to be comfortable working with adult material at the office but he would do it in a childish "Look what we can do" way.
 
Oh yeh I forgot you used to work for a porn site company
 
Adult Dating :)
 
12:48 PM
Same difference
 
Yeh sure, "Dating"
 
:D
 
"Adult", because they have to distinguish themselves from all those dating sites for kids...
 
Honestly though, dating sites for kids would probably be owned by the FBI.
 
12:49 PM
The irony being of course that probably a large portion of the member are adults only in the most literal sense
@AshwinMukhija Rule #29
 
"Hi, Chris Hansen here. Why don't you take a seat over there?"
 
Mainstream was the term used for non-adult.
 
I tried dating once. It was horrible.
 
Sounds like you weren't doing it right
 
12:53 PM
Remember that I live in India where you don't date the girl, you date their whole family.
8
 
Yes well. My advice is stay 100% away from dating sites.
 
anyone wordpress here
 
warm Friday atmosphere :Ь
 
@AshwinMukhija You must have really big beds
 
12:54 PM
@Rozer I'm not wordpress, I'm a little pony
 
If you must eHarmony is good for long-term. okcupid/pof for short-term.
What part of India @AshwinMukhija
 
Or you could, y'know, just go talk to some real people
@AlmaDoMundo I'm a little teapot
 
haha pony can u help me with wordpress
 
@AshwinMukhija so what's the problem - date a girl not from India (:
@DaveRandom what, you're HTTP 418 ??
 
@AlmaDoMundo Well I am short and stout.
Here's my handle
Here's my... Oh bugger, I'm a sugar bowl
 
12:57 PM
@DaveRandom if you're 418, let's see who am I ..
 
amb_navigation_font[navigation_font][size], amb_navigation_font[navigation_font][style], amb_navigation_font[navigation_font][color] i have these three array n i need it to save ....anyone plz (wordpress)
 
I'll be 420 then
 
I'm 451 :-(
 
I am confused.
 
1:03 PM
has niki been in today ?
 
@JoeWatkins I haven't seen (I'm here since 9:55)
 
heh
 
@Fabien take your pick (:
I'm 420, @DaveRandom is 418
 
1:05 PM
Any basis on why we choose or just one we like best?
 
@Fabien just what you like
 
I have facing problem which is sending email in php, I am using 000webhost company but I can not send email other email addresses only email send my email address.
 
413
 
wow :))
 
Feel bad for the guy who is 411
 
1:06 PM
hehehe
@Fabien mostly, that guy will get 405 from any girl ..
 
are you guys choosing from the dogs? i like 429 ^_^
 
heh it's definitely Friday
 
the girls in 416 and 507 have my sympathy ...
one of them is being mounted and the other being pissed on ...
good times, good times ...
 
@reikyoushin no, I'm referring to this (:
 
I'd like a dog but place is too small :(
 
1:08 PM
@JoeWatkins I don't want even imagine 507 :p
 
@AlmaDoMundo ooh. now that makes sense. :P
 
this may be u are searching for
 
What's that cv-please thing: stackoverflow.com/questions/19590787/…
:|
 
well.. about girls.. sometimes it's just 402 :(
 
@BoltClock Didn't ping you for a reason, I know you dislike those kinds of stuff :P
 
@AlmaDoMundo why do you smile up side down? or is that your eyebrows connected to each other and your nostrils/eyes?
 
It's good to smile =)
 
=) always reminds me of Hannibal ...
 
Scarred for life huh =)
 
1:16 PM
It's funny that I really dislike emoticons but I am quite favourable of textual portrayals.
:-X :X :-# :# Sealed lips or wearing braces
lol
Because we really needed a "wearing braces" emoticon.
 
^ :-(B) the two front teeth emoticon.. ^_^
 
@AshwinMukhija That is what the client wants yeah, but having unit tests. They don't care :)
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I need some online service where I can send raw post data to some URL HALP!
 
> Asif Uz Zaman has invited you to join Room for Amal Murali and Panny Monium.
dafuq
 
lol
 
@PeeHaa Y U NO POSTER?
 
1:30 PM
lolwut?
 
(why does it have to be online, in other words?)
 
hehe. Because I am lazy and I want to be able to use it from everywhere
 
Fair enough. Pretty trivial to knock up. Might do it now.
 
Well. Don't let me stop you from writing the curl! ;-)
 
1:33 PM
These bad posts make me feel better about my inexperience in Development.. It's like watching Jeremy Kyle show for a few minutes..
 
@DaveRandom Sorry you are takig waaaay too long. Now I had to do it myself...
*******!
:D
Did @DaveRandom also go splat? Or is he crying because of the foul language?
 
Why MySQL does not use index if it's condition like: WHERE id IN (SELECT id FROM t), but using if I'll replace it to WHERE id IN (4,7,1) (here 4,7,1 is exact result of SELECT id FROM t and table t is not related to table of which I am selecting with WHERE)
my current though is that it's so only because MySQL is stupid
 
Oh noes a mod entered teh room
 
1:49 PM
@PeeHaa Intarnet disappeared :-(
 
@DaveRandom Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Anyway I fixed somethnig up myself :)
 
However I do seem to be being slow with my tool provision
@PeeHaa Not going to stop me doing it, otherwise I might have to do work....
 
@DaveRandom :P
 
We0
Hey guys
 
Hey wes?
nope not @Wes :P
 
1:54 PM
@PeeHaa you missed a char. :P
 
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Q: Is this really the appropriate response to a flag?

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM AThis is what I just got to a flag that I put on an old dumb question of mine I wrote: Can this please be deleted? It is old and irrelevant. Thank you. And it would have been fine if it was just rejected and I would have need none the wiser... But what I got was worse: I saw helpful, ok co...

lol
 
Good morning
 
Good morning
 
Monring @ircmaxell
 
what's the good word?
 
1:57 PM
Mornmgong @ircmaxell
@MadaraUchiha hjeheheheheh
@ircmaxell The good word is that pph.net is really not hacked
:)
 
@PeeHaa yeah, definitely was ;-)
 
> helpful - Just kidding - NO!
I gotta remember that sometime
 
@PeeHaa What's pph.net?
 
@cheesemacfly an aspx site with an infinite redirect loop for a 403 page
 
lol @PeeHaa
 
2:02 PM
moin @ircmaxell
 
-5
A: Is this really the appropriate response to a flag?

PeeHaa Should moderators really be responding to people like that? Yes they should

2
 
ahoy hoy!
I think I may wind up doing some more work on PHPPHP today
 
@MadaraUchiha hehehehe
They totally fell for that :D
 
$ git status


Agreeing to the Xcode/iOS license requires admin privileges, please re-run as root via sudo.
 
2:08 PM
@ircmaxell hehehehehe
 
Good Friday Morning
 
@PeeHaa huehuehuehuehue
 
@MadaraUchiha lmao @PeeHaa
 
@MadaraUchiha I would -> I wouldn't
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA: Hence, I've added to my answer, the flag was probably not handled appropriately, someone wanted to have a little fun, but it ended up as being interpreted as abusive/harassing/annoying/trolling/whatever. Again, I would have exploded over it. But the choice is yours. — Madara Uchiha 8 mins ago
 
2:15 PM
no, he's correcting his first response, he's actually a cry baby :>
 
:D
 
@PeeHaa Thanks for telling me after the period I can edit it :X
 
:P
 
@PeeHaa Joke's on you though, I edited it anyway.
 
HACKZOR!
 
2:22 PM
or what if there is malware on the server...!? >;] i hear its a popular trend right now — Carrie Kendall 25 secs ago
too far?
 
@ircmaxell Is git delivered with xcode on osx?
 
I don't believe so
 
@ircmaxell phpphp looks like an interesting endeavor.
 
well… seems like another case of
 
2:27 PM
Hey guys
 
What's an example of when and why the Model would talk to the View in Server Side MVC? Image reference
 
@Fabien The view will query data from the model, before rendering said data into the templates.
 
Such as?
 
@Fabien You want to view a user's profile.
The controller receives the data, but has nothing to do with it (as we are not changing the model's state), and passes it to view.
 
2:29 PM
The view gets the data, and queries the model for the correct user details.
 
Oh I see.
 
Hello World
 
So in that case why does the controller communicate to the model?
 
The model gets the data from permanent storage, and returns it to the view.
@Fabien The controller does not communicate to the model in this particular instance.
The controller will communicate to the model when model's state needs to be altered.
For example, when a user updates his profile details.
 
Downloading a trial version of phpstorm
 
2:32 PM
@RonniSkansing Cheers
 
@MadaraUchiha I see.
 
@MadaraUchiha i hope it rocks my socks off
 
@RonniSkansing Sure did for me.
I was using phpDesigner before that, which was also great.
 
@MadaraUchiha what did you use before?
ah
 
But phpStorm is 4 orders of magnitude above all others.
 
2:34 PM
im using mostly vim and sublime.. but it would be nice to be able to integrate tests, vagrant etc.
 
I agree. I really like JetBrains IDEs
 
well 3 min to go
 
yepp PHPStorm or Netbeans are a good choice for PHP
 
@MadaraUchiha Can you elaborate a little bit please?
I am not sure I get it
 
@cheesemacfly The controller alters the model's state. The view grabs data from the model's state.
If there's not alteration to the model's state whatsoever, there's no need for the controller to speak to the model.
The controller does not handle presentation logic.
Unlike many frameworks where the controller speaks to the model, changes it, grabs data from it, then invokes the view which is a glorified template.
It's the view, which is actually an intelligent object, which speaks to the model via services, and then invokes the correct template to use.
Well, gotta take the bitch for a walk.
Bitches love walks.
 
2:42 PM
ok
Thanks for the explanation!
 
What's this I hear about the php.net site getting hacked
 
only one more Friday gif (move to /bin/gif then :p ) since I have to go :p
-this is when I want to do refactoring of not my code
bye!
 
@MadaraUchiha What component is responsible for presenting the correct model to the view layer?
Nevermind...
12 mins ago, by Madara Uchiha
It's the view, which is actually an intelligent object, which speaks to the model via services, and then invokes the correct template to use.
 
Nothing like the excited anxiousness of rm -rf ./lib
 
Remove the . and let the fun begin
 
2:58 PM
@Baba Yeah saw it yesterday
:)
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Aha! Mine survives!
 

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