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4:02 PM
@nikic speaking of phonetics. how do you pronounce your name? nee kick or nee kitch?
 
@Gordon indeed, it would help find spoonerisms
 
@Gordon niki - c (and that's not actually my real name)
 
@nikic ah, so the c is pronounced like the letter?
 
yes
 
i thought it was some slavic name
you know like Niko Bellic
@greg0ire it would?
 
4:07 PM
@Gordon I do come from Russia (though live in Germany), but "nikic" is just - well, I don't really know what it is ^^
Hm, "PHP sucks" is already at +12
 
@Gordon Yes, you would see if other combination of the sounds would lead to other sentences...
 
Everyone here thinks that PHP sucks?
 
A spoonerism is an error in speech or deliberate play on words in which corresponding consonants, vowels, or morphemes are switched (see metathesis). It is named after the Reverend William Archibald Spooner (1844–1930), Warden of New College, Oxford, who was notoriously prone to this tendency. A spoonerism is also known as a marrowsky, after a Polish count who suffered from the same impediment. While spoonerisms are commonly heard as slips of the tongue resulting from unintentionally getting one's words in a tangle, they can also be used intentionally as a play on words. In some cultures,...
 
Yep (though, @Gorgon, do you think that PHP sucks?)
 
didnt know that term
 
4:10 PM
SHP Pucks?
 
I think for any technology or pretty much everything in live if you can't say "X sucks for Y" you don't really have a clue about X
 
@nikic i think that there is a reasonable amount of complaints you can make about PHP but I dont think it sucks, no. I have come to accept the language as it is. And most complaints I've heard so far are fueled by language elitism anyway (vs reasonable)
 
and for PHP there are about a gazillion of things that SUUUUCK and that should not exist but we went with it an came to accept its flaws. For references please see: democracy, capitalism, any other programming languages and chocolate bars
 
Hey, don't compare PHP and democracy. PHP could feel offended!
 
after beeing insulted for around 15 years i think PHP doesn't feel offended anymore. The elephant has a thick skin (but never forgets)
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4:14 PM
@edorian thats a nice metaphor
 
"There are no significant bugs in our released software that any significant number of users want fixed"
@edorian Nicely phrased :D
 
@nikic "If you find a bug in your software that you want fixed you are not significant to us. "
 
> There are only two kinds of programming languages: those people always bitch about and those that nobody uses.
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relevant
 
Even if they mean the right thing and want to show that they care, the wording is quite off
@rickchristie :)
 
@rickchristie :)
This chat is so philosophical ^^
 
4:18 PM
It was actually said by Bjarne Stroustrup to defend C++, I find it ironic that the people at C chatroom bashes PHP a couple of days ago
 
can i unpin that phpneeds.orchestra.io? I dont know what its good for and it never let me add anything to it either.
 
yes, there are many good ones, but the one that has the highest vote is 'Chuck Norris'
 
@Gordon adding was/is via twitter bot. +1 on unpinning. The hype is over
 
i've developed a healthy ignore shield against hypes by now it seems
i didnt even notice that it was a hype
and i dont have a google+ account either
did i miss anything else?
 
can one already get g+ accounts?
 
4:23 PM
@Gordon I'm french, I tried "Contrepèterie" on wordreference and found that. The only english "Contrepèterie" I know is "She has her soul full of hope". Guess it!
 
"We've temporarily exceeded our capacity. Please try again soon."
 
I know about ~50 people with g+ accounts so: yeah ;)
@Gordon it was just the aftermath of the whole php fork drama that got resolved rather quickly
drama as in "by media" not as in "by (many) people that are in any way involved with php"
 
@salathe could you confirm this please: d3uwin5q170wpc.cloudfront.net/photo/158468_700b_v1.jpg (fun)
 
@rickchristie it's not bad :)
 
@greg0ire huh? i dont understand. Pregnant? To be in good hope is german for pregnant
 
4:32 PM
@salathe - as I suspected
 
@Gordon Nope! Here is the answer : "She has her hole full of soap"
 
oh, spoonerisms again
 
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Q: Help with array

Emanuel AmiguinhoHello people a have a problem, I have a array returned by webservice. Array ( [GetProductResult] => Array ( [schema] => Array ( [element] => Array ( [complexType] => Array ...

holy webserice batman crreeeeepy
 
autsch
that looks worse than an XML file
 
lol. that looks like someone took an xmlschema file and turned into an array
 
4:48 PM
wow, a -14 score; havn't seen that in ages
I didn't know you can "close an exact duplicate" without providing a link to the duplicate
kinda strange
 
@edorian Well, it could make sense with questions a la "headers already sent bla bla"
Cause there are an incountable number of dupes there
 
still you don't point people that stumble upon this instance of the question to a answered one (google picks up the strangest questions on SO)
 
5:03 PM
whats the equivalent of that python in php: [("key1", "val1"), ("key2", "val2")];
simply a hash?
@edorian assume you have a set of classes that represent strategies. to test them, you can use the same set of testdata. only the expected result is different. how would you organize that? have a file with an array that you include in each test or make a base test class with these values or nothing like that and just use an appropriate testdata provider with both data and expected results
 
@Gordon x = [("key1", "val1"), ("key2", "val2")]; x[0][0] == key1; x[0][1] == val1; and so on
the hash stuff is x = { 'key' : 'value', ... }
the other stuff is lists and sets, docs.python.org/tutorial/datastructures.html
@Gordon So testing $somethingSortOfRelated with the same input and a different output
 
5:20 PM
so its array(array('key1', 'val1), array(…))
 
yeah
But the output is only different in numbers but not in behavior (errors or such)
 
Or well, if you test a strategy that says "go f this input" you could always implement taht test case seperatly
 
there is expressions and expansions
the expansions are based on the values defined above the various expansions types
so i figured i'd put the expressions and expected expansions into the various strategy test classes
 
How about i not understand your problem domain and just say very generic stuff? I don't think i can manage to do something else in my current state of mind (druuuuuuhl)
 
5:25 PM
eih.. ok.. then at least tell me if there is any games in today's summer sale i should look into
 
if you put the data provider in a base class it would need to call another "result data provider" and combine the array internally. That means you would have the input and the ouput in different files
It might be ok but at first glace it seems off ... but so does putting all the testdata for all classes in one place
 
games :)
 
I really enjoyed prototype, it always was the accessable, cool version of gta for me. Even so 10bucks is asking a bit much given thats kinda the price you pay in stores for it. l4d2 is a really amazing fast paced multiplayer shooter that doesn't make any sense if you don't like those (think tf2 on acid with more communication); I enjoyed batman A LOT(!), stupid drm though. Still would recommend it. But SecuROM™ sucks™™.
While killing floor is a nice rather stress free (at times) multipler shooter if you want to play something with friends against an AI thats just coop against AI; It doesn't have much story but is a great grindable time sink as opposed to l4d2 thats going to stress you out a lot
The other stuff i don't know
 
surprised about Batman being good
 
it seems the 91 metascore agrees with my judgement; I didn't think so too but i got it for ~10 bucks played it one time, enjoyed it a lot (maybe 20something hours?, don't remember) and never touched it again. But it was lots of fun and a neat story
I'm off; later :)
 
5:39 PM
well, its a no brainer then since i always liked batman as a character. i was just sceptical because i dont know any good comic games
 
 
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8:25 PM
huh much activity in here
 
yeah
 
wow it's incredible how on-topic this chat is...</sarcasm>
 
@BrianDriscoll its okay to be off-topic as long as there is no on-topic going on
 
8:43 PM
@Gordon nonetheless, I came in here (for the first time) expecting a lively PHP chat to be happening, and... nothing. I am actually surprised.
 
hehe, PHP is a solved problem :)
chat is more vivid during european business hours.
 
:D
When everybody is at work but doesn't want to do work and thus is here in this chat ^^
 
yeah :) but i think brian left already
 
@Gordon Though his SO profile suggest he's normally working with ASP.NET and only came here to rant about PHP. So no big loss
 
yeah, that's what I thought, too. But you never know. Myth has it that there is developers in other languages that are not narrow minded. Though I never met one :D
except for php developers of course
 
8:53 PM
^^
 
well .. that actually could be quite close to the truth
because most of php developers are extremely aware of php flaws , and know how and why this language sucks
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Hm, are the data dumps for the chat too?
 
im still of the opinion that it doesnt suck :)
 
Would be interesting to see whether PHP is the chatroom with most usages of "sucks"
 
9:29 PM
@nikic wouldn't that just suck?
 
 
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10:36 PM
@Gordon
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Q: How to get inner tr tag using JQuery?

NiteshI am trying to grab documentnumber attribute from the tr tags inside tbody, and save it in an array. Below is the html , I am working on <tbody class="line-item-grid-body"> <tr data-group-sequence-number-field-index="" data-sequence-number-field-index="1" documentnumber="80" docume...

That is how HTML should look like ^^ :P
 
10:47 PM
@teresko +1 I just said so a few hours ago. Well, a couple of "few's" actually.
 
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