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3:00 PM
@Griwes hence 'o_o'
 
user142019
I don't really care about EG.
 
user142019
I'll check it out once it's there.
 
@thecoshman The linked article said "terminal".
 
@EtiennedeMartel WHY DID I GOOGLE THAT
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes mixed that with "terminology"
and there the pun appeared.
You still have no clue?
 
user142019
3:01 PM
@thecoshman because you had thirst for knowledge.
 
@Griwes you are saying words...
 
@thecoshman "terminals" and "non-terminals" are terms related to formal grammars. Therefore, they are part of formal grammar terminology, i.e., the set of terms used in when discussing formal grammars. I just replaced the first 'o' with an 'a', so you get terminal-ogy.
 
lol
 
@rightfold I should have known better though :(
@R.MartinhoFernandes I see...
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Terminal-ogy isn't nearly as much fun as terminal-orgy.
2
 
3:02 PM
@thecoshman Karma, again.
@JerryCoffin You mean an orgy that kills you?
 
¬_¬ these subtle things are really hard for me to read
@EtiennedeMartel Karma? (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
 
user142019
I don't like orgies.
 
@rightfold ever had one?
 
user142019
Nope.
 
then how do you know?
 
3:03 PM
@thecoshman Her.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Double entendre. Could be either sex until you die, or terminals having an orgy.
 
@JerryCoffin The second one doesn't sound that exciting.
 
user142019
The idea seems terrible.
 
user142019
I'd never participate in one blewrg.
 
@rightfold then you do not like the IDEA, you have no experience in practice.
I do not like the idea of eating live snails, but for all I know, I might fucking love those slimy feckers!
 
3:05 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Except that it's pretty much the definition of a parser.
 
@thecoshman Did he say he didn't like taking part in one?
 
@JerryCoffin My point exactly.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes implied
 
@JerryCoffin I shall use that next time I need to answer "What is a parser?". I hope it's an interview question.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh lord, I'm in trouble again.
 
3:06 PM
@JerryCoffin No you're not. He won't tell your name. You won't, right, @R.MartinhoFernandes?
 
@EtiennedeMartel No, but I'll feel (partly) responsible if something bad comes of it.
 
Awww. You do care after all.
 
don't feel bad for others being idiots
 
Case in point: almost exactly 21 years ago, they'd done spring cleaning at the school I was attending at the time. Coincidentally, a friend had just gotten new tires on his motorcycle and was bragging about the great traction. Being me, something just popped out about whether he'd have traction on the newly waxed floors -- and that afternoon during English class, we were treated to a motorcycle going by in the hallway...
 
@JerryCoffin EPIC!
 
3:12 PM
@JerryCoffin Well, well.
 
but like I said, you should not hold yourself accountable for the actions of idiots... unless through your inaction others are hurt
so... question... mass met up going to happen any time soon?
 
Oops -- minor typo -- that should be 31 years, not 21.
 
We make compromises in the name of performance all the time, then fail to reexamine them after an order of magnitude increase in capability.
 
to go home, or not to go home
 
@TonyTheLion not to go home, go to Paris instead
 
3:14 PM
@ScottW The janitors apparently came up with a few other words to describe it.
 
@thecoshman I heard Paris stinks.
 
meh Paris
I don't speak French very well
 
Ell
Oh wait. I don't think my Program class is wrong after all
 
@TonyTheLion But you're Belgian! (that running gag)
 
@TonyTheLion My French is undoubtedly worse than yours, but it's always been entirely adequate to the job.
 
3:15 PM
TIL It's completely legal for women to walk around topless in New York State
 
Ell
@TonyTheLion really?
 
apparently yes
 
Why would it be illegal?
 
@thecoshman As soon as people come to Berlin!
 
3:16 PM
@wilx cause... ya know, it's not something that's normally done
@thecoshman I wish... I've been wanting to do that for ages
lol
7hrs flying from where you are
or something
 
Hello Friend, Which IDE is good for C++ in ubuntu ?
 
Ok
and CLI to compile??
 
I mean I just compile using "g++ filename.cpp " ??
 
3:20 PM
Google it
 
No, you need to sacrifice a goat too
Um, no?
 
so... Berlin does seem like the best location... when? September? (totally not because my birthday is around then)
 
@ErBnAcharya usually make (or gmake) to compile.
 
3:21 PM
I am not doing GUI(Graphical User Interface) in C++ though .. I am doing C++/CLI
@JerryCoffin, Make is a package??
 
@ErBnAcharya C++/CLI is a language distinct from C++
 
Ell
@ErBnAcharya command line interface?
@ErBnAcharya yes. or use a build system like cmake, or scons, or premake, or waf, or unix make
google scons
 
@ErBnAcharya I've never seen it packaged by itself -- it's usually part of a development package.
 
@Ell or soon my one :P
 
Thanks.
 
Ell
3:22 PM
@ErBnAcharya if you have installed build-essential you will already have make
 
What does E37 means in Vim (I cannot quit without saving ?)
 
Ell
write a Makefile for your project directory, then type make into the terminal which will build it
@thecoshman what's the progress?
 
@JerryCoffin well, technically those are meta-packages...
 
Ell
@ErBnAcharya you need to do :w to save ("write") before quitting
unless you force quit which is .... :w! (I think?) (someone help?)
 
@Ell well, the important detail, it doesn't work yet. Compiles files, but yet linking. Working on a test project for it at the same time.
 
3:23 PM
ok ok
 
any way, time to head off
 
I've tried (!q) to force quit but didnt worked
 
see y'all fuckers!
 
now i got it
 
yeah, flag bait bitches
 
3:26 PM
@ErBnAcharya Just type ZQ to quit without saving, and ZZ to quit saving.
 
Ok
MakeFile.. I am new to it. Any easy learning tutorials ?
 
Tomorrow in the news: guy from Detroit lured into death trap with sexting; dog is now without owner.
4
 
Ell
@ErBnAcharya google for them, or google & download scons (it's easier, maybe)
 
So, what did that Baumr guy did to get flagged to death?
 
He got flagged to death?
 
3:30 PM
Oh, wait, he's on the MiniFame.
> Link dumping, and then arguing for an hour that THIS IS NOT DUMPING, THIS IS SHARING. Clearly doesn't give a fuck about established community. Also DELICATE FLOWER FEELINGS OFFENDED MUST FLAG. I can't put into words how annoying they are.
 
@Ell Okk. I am going for Make file..
 
(Spammed some Facebook API question over four or five rooms; the biggest mistake was doing it on this alone as well)
@ScottW You say that to everyone.
 
@ScottW , (:
 
Ell
gcc is giving me `declaration of 'operator[]' as non-function` with this: http://coliru.stacked-crooked.com/view?id=a6e7d560642c9c0b8fb65086bf8f6af2-a4286dab954ca44891e920524d97c1aa
I don't get it o.O I can't see how it looks like anything other than a function
 
@Ell Missing declarations?
Did you #include <string>? What's Uniform?
 
3:33 PM
@ScottW Seriously, I'm starting to wonder if you have multiple personality disorder and @Crowz actually happens to be a depressed version of you.
 
Ell
I included string
oh wait. std:string instead of std::string. sorry for wasting your time!
 
@Ell Oh.
I missed that.
 
@ScottW Nothing's wrong. I keep banging on about a show that's about the magic of friendship, remember?
(On that note, you should watch MLP)
AWWW YEAH
 
You too, Marty.
 
3:34 PM
Not before you watch Blade Runner.
Ha!
 
Seriously?
Because if so, I'm watching it tonight.
 
Yes, do it
Robot should be one of us
 
@ScottW Well, I was already quite open to the idea of watching Blade Runner. This just makes me override my lazyassness.
He knows that.
 
Damn why it takes so long to prepare my food turn the oven to 11 dammit
 
He knows everything that's being said in this room.
 
3:39 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Is that creepy?
I tend to avoid making that known/obvious in meatspace, because I am not sure how some people will react to it.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes No. But you might be a bit fucked up if you have the patience to use that fucking chat search engine.
 
$ booc - << END
> macro foo:
>     return [| print "foo" |]
> foo:
>     whatever
> END
Boo Compiler version 0.9.5.6 (2.10.9 (tarball Fri May  3 13:24:45 CEST 2013))
$ mono test.exe
foo
$
Woot, I still got it.
 
Anyway, if you had a title like champions do in LoL, you would be "The Archivist of the Lounge".
 
@er bn if you are still experimenting with IDEs in Ubuntu, you might want to try QTCreator. It can work with makefile based projects, cmake project or just as an editor. It can also use VIM instead of the scintilla-like editor.
 
3:43 PM
@Sqeaky Don't put the space, otherwise Er Bn won't get pinged. You need three characters for a ping to work (and it stops at spaces). So @er does not ping anyone, but @erb does.
 
+1 for Qt Creator, for best C++11 support be sure to use the latest (2.7.1 freshly released)
 
@Sqeaky Qt ?? is it by nokia?
 
@Hyde ide != compiler
Also c++11 support in qtc is low to moderate
@erbn QT != QTcreator
 
Downloading QTCreator.. Thanks Guys. .. @BartekBanachewicz OK!!
 
@erbn I think, but its open source so even with the chaos at nokia its has still gotten upgrades
 
3:46 PM
@BartekBanachewicz what in Linux has better C++11 support?
 
Qtc is legit
 
It gained some nice doxygen autocomplete features when I upgrade to 13.04
 
@Hyde vim
 
I think Clang is the most C++11 feature complete compiler and its is in the Ubuntu repos, but GCC 4.8 from the PPA is really close
GCC 4.7 has all the stuff I plan on using, std::thread and shared_ptr
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'm not even going to get to that argument... though I don't know how good GUI support vim has, but I doubt it's good enough to be counted as real modern IDE
 
Ell
3:48 PM
gaaaah god damnit stupid commutative build in subscript operator!
 
Ide != gui
Also define real modern ide
 
certain features simply can't be done with character grid
 
@BartekBanachewicz Are you using github.com/rmartinho/vim-cpp11?
Or something else?
 
Eclipse C++ ??
 
3:50 PM
@r.m yes
 
also Netbeans might be good, but I've used neither for C++, and I don't know how good C++ parsing they have.
 
Myself included, why do C++ devs love arguing semantics? IDE vs GUI is just one example
I like that too.
 
Because C++ requires that level of pedantry
 
proper IDE (be it GUI or text mode) needs to be able to fully parse the project and all include files, and have full autocompletion for stuff like method overloads and parameters.
 
That s your definition
 
3:52 PM
we have Hyde, now we need Jekyll
 
Which is as good as any other
 
@TonyTheLion s/c//
 
in other words, it needs to parse enough to know the types of symbols (when possible to know, of course, not always possible with generics/templates)
 
IME VS is terrible at that.
 
I like squiggles
 
3:54 PM
VAX ftw
 
meh, all chat history is nsfw
 
@TonyTheLion clearly that 12 year old does not know how birth works
 
@EtiennedeMartel He wasn't flagged, he was headshot by a mod
Which makes it even funnier
@Xeo Start with (.).(.) and rewrite it successively until the type matches
@thecoshman No
 
4:06 PM
Cat, are you reading the transcript?
 
What makes you think that
(I'm just reading around plinks)
 
@CatPlusPlus cause you seemed to be answering things not on my screen currently
 
Ell
@hyde I disagree with that, I'm coping fine with the docs open
 
Hm, seems like LWS is going to be down forever. Is there any other website where I can compile online with Clang 3.2?
 
Ell
actually. I use gedit which isn't an IDE xD
 
4:11 PM
Disappointed that LWS has been down for so long
 
Yeah, me too
 
Yea WTF is up with that?!
 
std::swap(bodily_fluids);
 
I don't know, I search for some news but did not find anything
 
@Morwenn swap takes two args
 
Ell
4:14 PM
I don't understand why my makefile message is starred :L
 
@TonyTheLion I wondered how long it would take before somebody notices that.
@TonyTheLion And gratz, you're the firsT.
 
user142019
@ShafikYaghmour stacked-crooked.com
 
:)
@rightfold does it have Clang 3.2?
 
user142019
Do I know, ask @StackedCrooked.
 
user142019
It does have clang.
 
4:15 PM
@rightfold I liked Coliru but LWS was simpler to use
 
@TonyTheLion #define bodily_fluids a, b
 
user142019
 
user142019
> clang 3.4
 
user142019
LOL
 
user784668
@rightfold trunk is 3.4
 
user784668
4:16 PM
nothing interesting, really
 
@rightfold Cool, I thought coliru only worked with GCC
 
user142019
FWIW, Coliru also has Python.
 
user142019
You can run it using python main.cpp.
 
and Haskell
 
user142019
And Valgrind but it doesn't work because /proc is missing.
 
4:17 PM
@Fanael Fuck, I am just 400 commits behind trunk and it is already at 3.4 :F
 
Hm, me noob, what command line should I specify?
 
@StackedCrooked maybe you want to show a list on coliru somewhere what compilers are supported?
3
 
user784668
@AndyProwl mkfs.vfat /dev/sda
 
@Fanael What's that?
 
user142019
@AndyProwl It initializes a VFAT file system on /dev/sda.
 
user784668
4:18 PM
@AndyProwl man, man
 
user1182183
hm is there any way to make a std::map keep my elements in the order I insert them? : >
 
user142019
@ThePet std::vector<std::pair<K, V>>
 
user784668
@ThePet insert the elements in increasing order
 
user1182183
@rightfold ah right xd
 
@rightfold Still don't understand, but I'll stop bothering
 
user142019
4:19 PM
@AndyProwl /dev/sda is a hard drive.
 
user1182183
hm, ah dammit, no more [] operator
 
user1182183
shitze XD
 
user142019
mkfs.vfat initializes a file system on a hard drive (or any disk).
 
@rightfold I was asking what should be the command line for clang
 
user784668
4:20 PM
@AndyProwl clang foo.c
 
user142019
@AndyProwl clang++ -isysroot <something here that I forgot> -std=c++11 main.cpp && ./a.out
 
@rightfold OK, thanks
 
user142019
Ask @StackedCrooked.
 
@TonyTheLion This helps but might not be complete ls $(which g++)* && ls $(which clang)*
 
user1182183
lol found a way around it ; >
 
4:21 PM
yea it helps, but it also has Python & Haskell
and possibly others
 
@AndyProwl And many clang's command line options try to mimick's gcc's ones, so you should be fine.
 
right .. so not complete
 
user784668
 
user142019
@TonyTheLion bash.
 
@rightfold I tried to replace <something here that I forgot> with the empty string, and it looks like the compiler behaves as if -std=c++11 was not there
 
user784668
4:23 PM
@AndyProwl clang++ -std=c++11 main.cpp && ./a.out should be enough
 
@Fanael That did it, thank you
 
user784668
@StackedCrooked y u no python 3
 
user142019
@TonyTheLion coliru.stacked-crooked.com/… <— list of every executable in PATH.
 
@Fanael ahh interesting ... I did not realize /usr/bin had all the symbolic links, I had just used which clang to find it
 
user142019
(Command was ls `echo $PATH | sed 's/:/ /g'`.)
 
4:27 PM
@CatPlusPlus didn't think so :p
 
A footgasm when taking shoes off.
I should get a jetpack
lol
 
user1182183
lucky me I have identifiers of buttons and their names separate, trololol, I can sort them with map
 
@thecoshman Why should I
Not like anyone's going to care even if I finish it
 
@CatPlusPlus did I say you should?
 
Ell
4:34 PM
oh my god xD I just found this (i.imgur.com/lxxxGs9.png) it was my first game written in ruby - it was pong, and yes that is an open file dialog for pong :L
 
user142019
Neat.
 
Ell
I can't remember what I needed an open file dialog for with pong
 
probably the most complete game this room has ever seen :P
 
Shaders
 
Ell
4:36 PM
I only have this screenshot I just found on my old photobucket account
 
did you know extroverts are generally perceived as smarter and more attractive?
 
I'm extrovert and excellent at hiding it.
 
I should go swimming
 
@Crowz Extroverts perceive other extroverts as smarter and more attractive. Introverts tend to perceive other introverts as smarter and more attractive. "Generally" really just translates to "extroverts appear to outnumber introverts."
 
Ell
Why does c++ have my_int["string"]?
 
Xeo
4:41 PM
what?
 
@JerryCoffin Actually the largest portion of men test as introverts.
 
Ell
wait a sec
 
You can find extroverts more attractive while no smarter.
 
Ell
yeah, 1["one"] is legal in c++ isn't it?
 
Xeo
ah, ye
 
Ell
4:42 PM
why?
 
Xeo
No clue
 
Why not? It sounds like a good tool.
 
Ell
because if your class is implicitly convertible to an integer type and has a operator[](std::string) then it's ambiguous
 
@Morwenn a good tool for what? :p
 
@melak47 For being sarcastic.
 
Ell
4:44 PM
you will probably say it's bad to have implicit conversions, but I don't see any use at all for 1["foo"]
 
Xeo
obfuscation, duh
 
char get_f() { return 2["foo"]; }
 
Xeo
Fail
That's 'o'
 
You don't say xD
 
Xeo
still fail
 
4:45 PM
You talked about obfuscation.
 
Xeo
... whatever
 
@Crowz Yes -- note the careful wording: "appear to". There are lots of introverts, but they tend to be seen a lot less simply because they're introverted.
@Ell Yes -- this is one of those things that was inherited from C. I doubt much of anybody really things it's a great thing, but changing it is generally considered unacceptable.
 
@JerryCoffin true, actually what I find weird is on these personality typing things so few people test as "intuitives", only a small minority of like, 25%-30%
 
env option:
    x <- foo
    return x + whatever
Ha! I can get this syntax.
Still a bit hackish for now (<- is really < and unary minus), but I can make it into a new token later by tunning the parser step.
For now, awesomez.
 
@Crowz When I was in grade school (though I didn't know the terminology) I thought for quite a while that it was a much smaller minority -- like I must be the only one on earth.
 
Ell
4:53 PM
does anyone here use firefox & a lot of tabs? What do you use to organise tabs?
 
I had to take a personality test for something and apparently my personality type is like, 1% of men hah. INFP. I have no idea what it means.
 
Tab groups
And also one window per screen
 
@Ell Brain.
 
You can take a look at Tree Style Tab
 
@CatPlusPlus Screen overflow.
 
4:54 PM
One Firefox instance per screen.
 
K, now all I need now is to write the transformer.
 

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