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21:00
why?
@Mysticial But why did only one answer get all those upvotes?
what, when we bomb the fuck out of North Korea, and they retaliate with all of the old nukes they've been stockpiling?
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@JohanLarsson North Korea!
Calling it, time to get the fuck out of the U.S.
What is happening>
21:00
Wish I were a little bit older and more financially stable, though.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Maybe because it was the only one that was good? It also doesn't use templates so it's more easily understood by the masses.
Suddenly, North Korea.
@Mysticial Interesting. I find it a bit frustrating though. Not even mentioning the fact that other answers to the same question are equally good if not better
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The North Korean military is crazy.
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They won't attack the US since they know that will go wrong.
21:01
@Mysticial It's not the best answer. Even if it was, that voting pattern is strange!
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NK would be bombed from the map.
@ScottW whoa scary, I don't read much news ty for link. Sadly I had to use translate
@AndyProwl But yeah... 87 votes in one day is not uncommon. Happens about once or twice a week.
more like 70 votes in one day on that one IIRC. shame it doesn't address the stated question even once
@ShotgunNinja What they do now?
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21:02
@R.MartinhoFernandes said they're allowed to attack USA.
@Zoidberg That does not match your previous sentence.
@R.MartinhoFernandes belligerent threats to the U.S., as always
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Now that I look at it again, if you compare the top two answers, the accepted one is not easily understood to people who don't know templates. That's probably why it has fewer votes.
Pro-tip: crazy people don't act logically.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yes, I am not surprised by the mere fact that it got >80 upvotes, but by the fact that that particular answer to that very simple question got so many upvotes
21:03
@AndyProwl That happens all the time.
ugh, Bullet uses new
thank god for smart pointers
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@R.MartinhoFernandes that's probably why it didn't match my previous sentence. :v
And every other time it happens, people rage at it.
@AndyProwl Same. I'm not entirely convinced that the multicollider alone explains it
@Mysticial Hm, will have to get used to that
I mean
21:03
@BartekBanachewicz new is good for you.
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@JohanLarsson come on… you can read Dutch!
@ScottW lol for some reason I can read dutch when sehe and zoidberg chat in dutch here. But not this time
@ThePhD and fuck you too
it doesn't really make you feel like reading through pages and pages of Standardese to answer in a precise way some complex question
21:04
@LightnessRacesinOrbit The formula used for the multicollider has issues. It tends to favor the dumb things a bit too much...
@AndyProwl You really are new here lol
@Mysticial Are you sure it's the algorithm and not the users?
@Mysticial I mean, that only one answer received superupvoting. It's not usual. The muticollider links to questions not individual answers
@Zoidberg I failed but I will use google translate to teach you some Finnish
Seriously, if people upvote dumb questions whose fault is that?
@Rapptz lol, indeed I am
21:04
Alright, so I'm gonna slap all this stuff in the Animation namespace.
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@JohanLarsson lol
@Rapptz We know the source of the problem. It has to do with dumb questions attracting tons of answers which jacks up a major component of the formula.
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Which ones?
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I know, but people are more likely to understand the second answer than the accepted answer. That's probably a reason why the accepted answer has fewer votes.
ok reading it again, reading harder this time
21:05
For example, even I don't understand the accepted answer.
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@ScottW without mercy
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lol
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nucleare wapens xD
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Oh.
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We also say "kernreactor" instead of "nucleare reactor", though they're synonyms.
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21:07
Yes.
Seriously? What's so complicated about the accepted answer?
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Kern means core or kernel, in this case as in nuclei.
@AndyProwl But yeah, the best way to get used to dumb things getting tons of votes is to actually rage at one. Here's one for you: stackoverflow.com/questions/14686332/…
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lol
@Mysticial lol, awesome
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21:08
In France they use Linux for fusion reactor.
@Mysticial shame it's not an answer to the stated question
@AndyProwl Yeah. It's largely a luck of the draw. But if you keep on writing good answers, eventually one of them will make it. Example: stackoverflow.com/questions/15393441/…
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WINRAR
It if makes you feel better, it was at -7 at some point. So the top 4 answers also got Reversal badges...
21:11
@Zoidberg Post?
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Q: What does this line mean in Java: boolean retry = id == 1;

Phat7I have been learning Java for a while now and still learning new syntax tricks and stuff. I came across this in Android source code: boolean retry = id == 1; What does it mean? PS: It was hard to google for this syntax, so I resorted to asking SO.

Oh, lmao
It's terrible.
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Indeed.
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21:12
Not enough type inference… oh wait.
135
A: What does this line mean in Java: boolean retry = id == 1;

JB Nizetid == 1 is a boolean expression which is true if id == 1, and false otherwise. boolean retry = id == 1; declares a boolean variable named retry, and assigns the value of the boolean expression id == 1 to this variable. So it declares a boolean variable which is true if id == 1, and false other...

srsly
135 upvotes
@Mysticial True
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BUT IN COLLEGE I LEARNED boolean retry; if (id == 1) { retry = true; } else { retry = false; }!
7
Hm.
Quick question, everyone:
Quick Answer
21:13
is float(0.5) the same as 0.5f, compile-time wise?
Quick hunch: yes
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Quick lie: no
Quick gratitude: Thanks. <3
@AndyProwl Another way to put is to simply resort to sour grapes. "Do I really want a retarded boolean question to be at the top of my answer list???"
21:14
@ThePhD Maybe no. 0.5 is a double literal, and casting it to float loses precision! (Not usually for powers of 2, but hey)
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@TonyTheLion Mmmmmmmmmmm yum.
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So yum, it makes me cum.
@sehe But does it do that cast at Compile-Time, or is the float-double relationship so complex it's only evaluated at runtime?
21:15
@TonyTheLion then delete it. What is it anyways?
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@sehe it's a fastfood restaurant chain.
@ThePhD Huh? That's irrelevant. And, yes, it will be constexpr
Hey. I have a hung plink! It' plinking me exactly once every second :)
@Zoidberg Never heard of that
A plink thread exited improperly. =[
21:16
Quick, capture it in a glass or something!
@ThePhD plinq?
ITT: Capture the Plink!
@R.MartinhoFernandes :) I killed it by refreshing
@TonyTheLion Sounds like an awesome game mode.
I was thinking the same
I remember playing capture the flag on some game I can't remember the name of
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21:17
Capture the Fucking Idiot.
was funz though
@sehe Select SOUND from PLINK_STORAGE where AMUSMENT is MAXVALUE .
> (Not to mention Expanded, Extended, LIM, UMBs, HIMEM, LOMEM, YOURMOTHERSMEM, and who knows what other memory schemes and definitions are out there)
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@TonyTheLion Tony Hawk?
@Zoidberg we do that all the time here
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21:17
(Okay terripun.)
@ThePhD it wasn't annoying. It was amusing
@Mysticial Actually one of my dumbest answers was at the top of my list for long time, and it felt weird. So I guess yes, that's also a good point
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Capture the Lion and put it in Captivity!
i haven't written any trollquestions today :(
> terripun
dat word
21:18
@LightnessRacesinOrbit (I seem to remember one)
@TonyTheLion Well, no one would be able to call it puny, that's for sure.
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you've made up by trolling in here
But, there's precious little wrong with me. Well, affecting my lounge presence, anyway
@AndyProwl I was basically in your shoes about 3 months after I joined SO. My top answer was a somewhat retarded Java question that sat +100 at the top of my answer list. I took me a LONG time to finally knock it off my top 5.
did anybody here read : Advanced C++ Metaprogramming (Davide Di Gennaro) . I have :) this book but after 20 pages got irritated by horrible writing and dumbfuck style (black code on gray background. )
Oh joy. Someone is arguing that Java uses pass-by-reference, and using the fact that they've been programming for 40 years as evidence...
@Mysticial You knocked it off really hard though ;)
ahahahaha
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Java doesn't pass.
@NoSenseEtAl I have good thing about the content. I have heard bad things about publishing, layout, finish and redaction.
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21:20
It's too bad.
@AndyProwl true
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: In comes the pun, out goes the fun! [c++] [c++11] [no-helpdesk]
@TonyTheLion nice
@sehe tnx... i might give it a try but book was really painful to read... I mean Im a beginner/not so smart, but I mean when Microsofts STL says something Im like aha rewind, rewind, google.... aha... but this book... I was like WTF WTF WTF....
@Mysticial Besides, it's very motivating to find out that my best answer wouldn't even fit in your top 15 lol
21:22
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A: visual c++ more efficient at string manipulations than visual basic or visual c#?

280Z28Programs written in .NET languages (including C# or Visual Basic) often meet or exceed the performance of programs written in C++. This is due to the fact that C++ is a challenging language to understand and use effectively, and inexperienced developers often write C++ code that is... "vastly sub...

see book question
linked here many times
oh
This angers me
@NoSenseEtAl well, IME STL does expressly cover 'intermediate' topics (backgrounders for interested programmers), not the hardcore advanced TMP topics for library writers...
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@ScottW what are you looking for?
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21:23
Programming is a broad topic.
shit about web is not worth knowing
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2487
A: List of freely available programming books

George StockerMeta-Lists 25 Free Computer Science Ebooks Book Training - On Video Cheat Sheets (Free) CodePlex List of Free E-Books Free Tech Books Galileo Computing (German) How to Design Programs: An Introduction to Computing and Programming Microsoft Press: Free E-Books MindView Inc O'Reilly's Open Books ...

besides that its terribad
@Drise You back!
@sehe well his compile time sorter using VT is not like trivial :D either way... I hope digenaro feels bad and decides to update his book for c++11 and you know make it in color since it is not like it costs 9.99$
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21:24
@ScottW there's probably some stuff about HTTP, Django, Ruby on Rails, PHP or Node.js on that list.
@NoSenseEtAl have you posted a review at amazon/the definitive book list?
I don't want to vote this down, but it looks a bit biased. If you use libraries (not StdLib) in C++ to do things, you'll probably get more performance and be less error prone (compared to doing things yourself). Accessing .NET is very easy (if you program say C#), on the other hand finding and using (make them work with your code/building system) libraries for (native) C++ is much harder. — DyP 56 secs ago
not stdlib - lolwat
@sehe I dont have amazon account , I order over my friends so NSA cant follow me/Im lazy. And I dont want ppl downvoting me because I sound like a dumb crybaby but I really didnt like the book btw ultimate book Q got me here-reminded me i have that book
@R.MartinhoFernandes Temporarily.
@NoSenseEtAl That. Makes. No. Sense. Whatsoever.
Xeo
Xeo
21:27
So, robot rep-capped too.
You have an opinion. Reviews are opinions.
cap all the rep
#WalkOffTheEarth playing a mile away. I'm not there. FML.
@sehe "This question attempts to collect the few pearls among the dozens of bad C++ books that are released every year." I guess my rant doesnt fit within positive spirit of the Q :D "Please provide quality books and an approximate skill level — preferably after discussing your addition in the C++ chat room."
Wokay
21:29
Hm.
I'm tempted to answer the question @Drise Linked.
Should I do it and get downvoted to oblivion? :D
Lawl, works for "tunnelvision labs"
Fitting
Maybe I will milk that for a gold badge and then delete it.
@R.MartinhoFernandes keep it. It's a funny answer.
btw Di Genaro has brilliant anti piracy strategy with his book... If somebody pirates PDF version of it theyll be :: F*CK this shit, crappy scan, Im ordering it from Amazon. :D
21:32
@R.MartinhoFernandes does that not lose you the rep too?
@TonyTheLion Meh.
@TonyTheLion Not if he deletes it after 60 days.
The old one was CW anyway.
@Mysticial ah I see
CW: cruelty to repwhores
@R.MartinhoFernandes if you have too much rep start a bounty on a Q you have the best A so you get more upvotes... to quote zoidberg: finally you have become a crafty investor :P
Xeo
Xeo
21:34
I don't think that question is in danger of too many answers so it gets CW'd.
I put bounties on Qs I want answered.
Why is the starboard filled with cocks?
Quite often the rep is wasted without finding a decent A.
@Xeo They stopped wiki-hammering things because of popularity. At least on SO.
Even the dumb stuff.
Xeo
Xeo
But wasn't there that automatic CW after 30 answers?
21:35
@Drise it does every now and then
Xeo
Xeo
I mean, 30 answer questions are highly likely off topic / not constructive anyways, but..
I thought CW was abolished
There was one instance were a mod wiki'ed a dump pointer question after 200 votes. It was unwikied shortly after.
@Xeo The 30 answer thing is different.
Xeo
Xeo
That's what I meant, though
I don't like it either. But there has to be issues with the question to get there.
*normally
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21:36
Automatic CW is retarded.
The bomb question got wiki'ed...
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inb4 sorting question gets wiki'ed.
@Mysticial It did?
@ThePhD Yeah, it went over 30.
=[
If people delete their answers,
will it go back to being a regular question?
21:38
nope
That's silly. :c
You can probably flag it back. Only if a mod agrees though...
@ScottW you happen to know what China has to say about North Korea's ideas?
I still don't know how to use std::allocator or those kinds of things.
It seems like it's supposed to have state.. but it doesn't? Or it does... ? Maybe... I don't know.
Ell
Ell
it can if it wants I think
Once I move an object, for ex I move object a into object b, then what should object a's state be like?
21:40
I hate Cubit (3d modeling software). I spend an hour consolidating surfaces and making them play nice and then it segfaults.
Ell
Ell
aw dayum that sucks :/
@Ell a should for all intents and purposes be dead.
@Drise Stop using Cubit and use something else, e.g.: Blender, Mudboxx, Maya, 3ds Max, etc.
Ell
Ell
Well hey what do you know, wings is written in Erlang
@ThePhD it should be in a valid state to call the destructor on it
@ThePhD They dont mesh things as far as i know
21:42
Mesh... things? o.0
Ell
Ell
@sehe is it UB to use it or anything like that?
@ThePhD take 3d geometry, and turn it into a collection of 2d entities representing said object
@Ell no. It is implementation defined (by the implementation of the class that is) what happens if you use the class for anything else than destruction after the move. But an implementation that wouldn't support destruction after move would be useless in allbut very very contrived cases.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Bullet has public methods intended to be used only by library :/
trimesh
21:43
what about it?
Ell
Ell
Right okay. So I need to set a "moved" flag I think. So glDeleteShader isn't called twice
Actually I can set the handle to 0
Set the handle to 0 Yeah.
@BartekBanachewicz I seriously don't get that. My guess is someone following the false dogma that friends reduce encapsulation, so they make them public~
Set the handle to fabulous
Doesn't make much sense but...
21:45
@Ell wait
Please
Ell
Ell
okay :P
C++ programmers that don't know what they're doing? What?
@Ell use Engine/gl_id
srsly.
I wrote that recently
I am going to extend it by allowing Delete method to be added to type by template
@R.MartinhoFernandes Open source libraries are ~better~
Ell
Ell
I'll write my own version :3
but yeah it will pretty much be the same
so just copy it, lol.
21:47
@R.MartinhoFernandes Could just be laziness
@BartekBanachewicz I added that to the list because I found it in a closed library...
Have to add a friend for every class and its friend.
@R.MartinhoFernandes welp.
The good news is, at least the documentation told you it's "private".
> Error VBNC32007: CHANGEME
Dammit, I give up.
21:48
@ThePhD fuck that's not solving the problem at all
@R.MartinhoFernandes You doing VB.Net on mono?
why do people who can't C++ write C++ APIs
Y.
@sehe Just trying code from some answer.
@BartekBanachewicz Is it really a problem though? :O
@ThePhD it's fucking annoying
21:48
But yeah, it appears VB.NET on mono is broken as hell.
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VB.NET is broken as hell FTFY.
@R.MartinhoFernandes link?
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's just not ... done :|
also they require me to use indexed meshes
why.
I don't want to. I just want to give you vertices.
When life gives you vertices...
Now I am going to create a buffer with {1, 2, 3, 4...} in it :/
21:49
Segfault!
You don't have an IBO already?
@CatPlusPlus no, why would I have one?
to store 1,2,3,4... in it?
@BartekBanachewicz std::iota
@sehe oh thanks.
21:51
iota?
std::google
Ell
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz how do you use this class? just have it as a member?
No, you also have to sacrifice a goat
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@sehe The old reverse a string question stackoverflow.com/a/8419391/46642
21:53
VB doesn't have Unicode escapes in strings...
I can't imagine why VB is poorly developed in Mono
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@sehe dat name.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah, and you got it to work on mono anyways :)
@Zoidberg nothing wrong with it. I'd say std::gamma is welcome too
@sehe Yeah, but I had to type the combining mark in by hand, which makes it more cryptic than I wanted for demo purposes. I tried to make the combining mark explicit, but it kept failing...
This only handles surrogates properly. It messes up combining marks: ideone.com/yikdqXR. Martinho Fernandes 2 mins ago
21:55
at least I can have this buffer as static
^ anyways, epic comment - the answer is far more epic, of course
let's allocate 1000000 integers from 0 to 1000000
said no one ever.
@sehe It's annoying that all the goods are "hidden".
hmm, Johannes isn't here
is any one else good with language lawyering here?
i'm trying to figure out a clang bug
try us, there are at least three others (present I think too)
21:58
5
Q: Is it legal to friend a function via a using declaration?

Stephen LinThe following (LiveWorkspace here) is rejected by GCC 4.7.2, GCC 4.8.0, and ICC 13.0.1. namespace A { namespace B { void C(); } using B::C; } class D { friend void A::C(); }; Additionally, it crashes Clang 3.2 (!). I've submitted a bug report and patch already, for the...

johannes answered that
@StephenLin Some of us here play GSQ too.
but, there's a wrinkle
see the comment I just made on his answer
clang accepts the linked code but doesn't do anything useful with it
gcc and icc reject it (but I don't know on what grounds)
@R.MartinhoFernandes :)

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